A New Dark Age Is Dawning

[STEED]

http://librabunda.blogspot.com/

I stumbled on this one while looking for something completely different.

[Skybird]

Interestingly, certain traditions of tibetan Buddhism also know of our present time turning into the "darkest age since eons", describing it as an age of falling back into mental supression, unfreedom, barbarism and lacking insight. I am no tibetan Buddhist, but examined it when I still was uncertain of myself. I often thought that the raise of Islam may be that dark age to come. some tibetan Lamas are mentioning Islam openly, and attack it vigorously. doing like that with regard to other religions is VERY untypical for any kind of Buddhist school.

If the dark age to come really is meaning Islam, then I can understand why it is feared that much. That prophecy also seem to imply, what I am warning of, too: that Islam will be successful in taking over and anihilating Western culture, and all others as well. It is the talk of "Buddhas teachings beeing reduced to a weak sparkle in the wind, threatened by rain and storm".Which leaves me only the decision to loose and fight, or to loose and hide. I think I am more like the first. That way I may loose in this world, but beyond this life turn this loss into a success for "my-self" nevertheless.

We all will pass away, sooner or later. qestion is for what goals and ideas we commit ourselves. the answer to this maybe will survive our lifespan.

[STEED]

The worst point is the author is suggesting wagging a war of Genocide on those who follow Islam. Hitler tried the same thing with the Jews, but there is a point we can not keep backing down to their complaints and writing laws in their favour, if this dose continual are leaders have proved one thing they are soft. And race riots will start to come more frequent and bloody. Are leaders must stop giving in and start saying you don’t like it here in the west, and are laws and way of life well clear off.

[CB..]

it is surely saying something when a man who draws a cartoon has to bow to a man who throws a petrol bomb...and nobody bats an eye lid...we have fought for centuries to create a society where greivances can be aired thru the more civilised outlets of Art--Literature--satire--parody and expressions of intelligent contemplation--yet two decades of political correctness has rendered all these things impotent--why? because political correctness spreads a regime of untruths or spin --the emporers' new clothes--no one dare disagree--even if their views are fair and well balanced--in fact only those whose views are NOT fair and well balanced get heard because they are the only ones who dare speak--


intelligent contemplation is primarily concerned with the truth--or different aspects of the truth ---

this is truth---

man draws cartoon-
cartoon suggests religious figure head condones violence as a method of achieving results--
religious folks use violence in order to get this cartoon banned--people actualy die as a result of this protest--

simple and obvious--the cartoon was an accurate and non-violent protest against the use of violence by this religion's followers--

if we want the pen to be mightier than the sword-- then we need to back that pen to the hilt--(ahem)

no such luck

game over

[Fish]

http://www.zipperfish.net/free/yaafm12.php

[micky1up]

freedom of expression is exactly what these cartoonists where exercising the islamic religion who claim the west are not giving them there freedom of speech and expression are the ones whom are hypocrits in this case but i feel the extremeists have to have there excuse to kill and maim if not this then im sure they would have found something they are doing there cause harm by reacting like this!

[Abraham]

It becomes more and more clear that the borders of our freedom of expression are determined by the strict rules of their religion.
If we really have to restrain our freedoms as soon as Muslims feel offended I bet they are going to be touchier by the minute and we will have to restrict our freedoms untill nothing is left of it.
Untill:

Sharia rules!

[The Avon Lady]

Sharia rules!
God save the Queen (http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/010299.php).

[STEED]

Sharia rules!
God save the Queen (http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/010299.php).

Interesting it only a small part of what's to come.

[CB..]

incredible really that we are falling for all this so called muslim sensitivity- (just how sensitive can a man with a petrol bomb be...? poor thing.. what a con--and we are falling for it)
where were the world wide muslim protests against the 9/11 attacks and London bombings--where were the muslims out on the streets because some-one decided that these acts of extreme violence were justified by muslim doctrine?

but one cartoonist dares to suggest the very same thing in a cartoon and they all go bannanas--

we must be incredibly stupid to be even thinking about all this--make the religion illegal and kick them out--before they do exactly the same thing to democracy and us--

LOL never thought i'd hear my-self say that -- :roll: :dead: :nope:

[Abraham]

... we must be incredibly stupid to be even thinking about all this--make the religion illegal and kick them out--before they do exactly the same thing to democracy and us--

LOL never thought i'd hear my-self say that -- :roll: :dead: :nope:
And you should not.
Declare a religion illegal? How? By giving up the basic Western freedoms?
And then what? Arrest them? Put them in jail for their beliefs?

It's their acts that derail society.

For much of the influence of this fundamentalism Europeand themselves are to blame. A majority of Europeans have no convictions, no beliefs anymore, no sense of cultural heritage and find it a show of progress to insult or belittle people that hold Christian or traditional values.
Then all of the sudden they are facing a growing group of people with strong religious and cultural values, who find a moral vacuum and are happy to fill it... What has European society to offer to them, or to resist them with, as far as values are concerned?

[Takeda Shingen]

For much of the influence of this fundamentalism Europeand themselves are to blame. A majority of Europeans have no convictions, no beliefs anymore, no sense of cultural heritage and find it a show of progress to insult or belittle people that hold Christian or traditional values.
Then all of the sudden they are facing a growing group of people with strong religious and cultural values, who find a moral vacuum and are happy to fill it... What has European society to offer to them, or to resist them with, as far as values are concerned?

True. And as an American, I have put an end to the criticism of my country's (by and large) overt christian furvor, as such cultural sentiment, although extreemly annoying, may well be the US's saving grace after all.

[Abraham]

Especially since this criticism is not seen for what it means to us, but as a confession of weakness by people that often come from a tribal society withour much cultural background, where selfcriticism is seen as an ultimate waekness and weakness often means downfall or death.

[Takeda Shingen]

Especially since this criticism is not seen for what it means to us, but as a confession of weakness by people that often come from a tribal society withour much cultural background, where selfcriticism is seen as an ultimate waekness and weakness often means downfall or death.

Which goes further to explain the Islamists fear of and distaste for liberal democracy, which is an excercise in self-criticism. They will then fight the establishment of liberal democracies in the Middle East tooth and nail.

[Skybird]

For much of the influence of this fundamentalism Europeand themselves are to blame. A majority of Europeans have no convictions, no beliefs anymore, no sense of cultural heritage and find it a show of progress to insult or belittle people that hold Christian or traditional values.
Then all of the sudden they are facing a growing group of people with strong religious and cultural values, who find a moral vacuum and are happy to fill it... What has European society to offer to them, or to resist them with, as far as values are concerned?

True. And as an American, I have put an end to the criticism of my country's (by and large) overt christian furvor, as such cultural sentiment, although extreemly annoying, may well be the US's saving grace after all.

I admit that in recent weeks and months I started to give some - reluctant :) - credit to that argument. That does not mean I like bush any more than before. I feel like the Romulans in DS9 who unwillingly had to join the alliance against the dominion. :)

With regard to Abraham, I know what he means, but find the formulation misleading, a bit. That's as if one would say it was the Polish's mistake that Hitler attacked them. But like with the Nazis back then, the source of today's dangerous situation is the evil philosophy of that old beduin's criminal mind, not the targetted victim's. It is not the infidel's mistake that they oppose his violent ambitions back then, and today. Our mistake is that we make it too easy for his followers to bring their forces into position. But we did not trigger the aggressiveness of Islam, not did we design it. We had nothing to do with it's creation. And that's why we also have no obligation to accept responsebility for Islam's appearance at all.

I also would not talk of Islam as a relgiion. It unites it'S "religous" aspects with policy-making, communal control, economy, social aspects. That way it escapes the description of beeing a religon only, that shall be proetcted by our laws for free religious practicing.

We give Muslims in the West a “general confidence”, by that we are willing in to give their legal and political system freedoms in which to develop, in other words: by tolerating Sharia, we allow the creation of an autonomous legal system inside our own societies with it’s own judicial system. We do that, because Islam claims the right of free religion. What Islam does not say is that it does not differ between sociological, political, economical and religious levels. But the Western concept of freedom to practice religions is basing on the separation between religion and state. So, our constitutions in which the freedom to practice religions is anchored, are completely defenceless against Islam’s way to abuse this weakness. (...) A system of laws that includes criterions that make it possible for a foreign tradition of laws to infiltrate and to overcome or destroy it from within, has no real means of defence against such a hostile aggressor, and it necessarily must alienate itself from the cultural traditions by which it had formed up and changed throughout history. It’s like an organism that gets infected by a hostile virus against whom the immune system has not developed anti-genes, because it never had to deal with this virus before – this leaves the organism defenceless, and the virus invades single cells and takes them over to breed more virus cells. ("The dialogue that never was")

[STEED]

I can not speak about leaders in other countries but here in the UK Tony Blair has done nothing to stop these Muslims, who are out to cause problems. All this backing down to Muslims will only make the situation worse, not better as are stupid Prime Minister thinks.

[Wim Libaers]

... we must be incredibly stupid to be even thinking about all this--make the religion illegal and kick them out--before they do exactly the same thing to democracy and us--

LOL never thought i'd hear my-self say that -- :roll: :dead: :nope:
And you should not.
Declare a religion illegal? How? By giving up the basic Western freedoms?
And then what? Arrest them? Put them in jail for their beliefs?

It's their acts that derail society.



Indeed. I fully support freedom of speech for radical muslims, and I would like them to voice their opinion everywhere - preferably where lots of non-muslims can hear it too. Perhaps we should have translations of radical Arab TV news here, with commentary. Just to raise awareness.

[Skybird]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/02/19/nsharia119.xml

[Takeda Shingen]

So, British Muslims love the western convienience, comfort, lifestyle and affluence. If they could get everyone to grow beards and cover their wives heads and faces, things would be perfect.

[STEED]

I suggest we ask the moderate Muslims to sort these few bad Muslims out in their own ranks. But as we all know they will not.

[CB..]

I suggest we ask the moderate Muslims to sort these few bad Muslims out in their own ranks. But as we all know they will not.

and that is the key to understanding this situation.. :yep:

[Skybird]

I suggest we ask the moderate Muslims to sort these few bad Muslims out in their own ranks. But as we all know they will not.

and that is the key to understanding this situation.. :yep:
Exactly. The one sporeads Islam by violence, the other by his lacking resistance to that violence. I call that a cooperation. In the end, the life of their Muslim brothers is of higher value for them than that of infidels. Islam never was strong in the compassion-department.

[bradclark1]

Edited for extreme thinking.

[TteFAboB]

Edited for extreme thinking.

Extreme thinking is welcome in my PM box.

[Abraham]

For much of the influence of this fundamentalism Europeand themselves are to blame. A majority of Europeans have no convictions, no beliefs anymore, no sense of cultural heritage and find it a show of progress to insult or belittle people that hold Christian or traditional values.
Then all of the sudden they are facing a growing group of people with strong religious and cultural values, who find a moral vacuum and are happy to fill it... What has European society to offer to them, or to resist them with, as far as values are concerned?

True. And as an American, I have put an end to the criticism of my country's (by and large) overt christian furvor, as such cultural sentiment, although extreemly annoying, may well be the US's saving grace after all.

I admit that in recent weeks and months I started to give some - reluctant :) - credit to that argument. That does not mean I like bush any more than before. I feel like the Romulans in DS9 who unwillingly had to join the alliance against the dominion. :)

With regard to Abraham, I know what he means, but find the formulation misleading, a bit. That's as if one would say it was the Polish's mistake that Hitler attacked them. But like with the Nazis back then, the source of today's dangerous situation is the evil philosophy of that old beduin's criminal mind, not the targetted victim's. It is not the infidel's mistake that they oppose his violent ambitions back then, and today. Our mistake is that we make it too easy for his followers to bring their forces into position. But we did not trigger the aggressiveness of Islam, not did we design it. We had nothing to do with it's creation. And that's why we also have no obligation to accept responsebility for Islam's appearance at all.
@ Skybird:
You would have been more accurate if you had compared my statement with blaming Britain for being (partly) to blame for the war with Nazi Germany. I could live with that comparison. Britain accepted in Münich '38 a policy of appeasement after all...
:D