Italian built

[GlowwormGuy]

Hi to the Betasom team,

Any chance that perhaps you guys will be doing old style ships like the cruiser San Giorgio at Tobruk or ships that are Italian built like the Giorgios Averoff or the Thai cruiser Naresuan (w/c became the Italian cruiser Etna)?

Just wondering,
Mountbatten

[willi]

Hi to the Betasom team,

Any chance that perhaps you guys will be doing old style ships like the cruiser San Giorgio at Tobruk or ships that are Italian built like the Giorgios Averoff or the Thai cruiser Naresuan (w/c became the Italian cruiser Etna)?

Just wondering,
Mountbatten

I have reported your suggestion to ours excellent but absent author 3D.
Hi
Willy
;)

[GlowwormGuy]

Really looking forward to anything Betasom builds. You guys are great!

Right now I'm making do with the Kent type cruisers for the Averoff - they're actually a pretty close match - and if it were possible to just add four secondary twin turrets and redo the superstructure of the Kent...

Here's hoping,
Mountbatten

[Canarb]

san Giorgio is in my heart ;)

[GlowwormGuy]

Well, hope to see it sailing sometime. The Greek armoured cruiser Averoff was the sister ship of the Italian cruisers Pisa and Amalfi. Right now I'm just using the Norfolk to stand in for it but it doesn't have those four 7.5 twin turrets.

Hoping for some of those sweet old school ships someday!

Mountbatten

[GlowwormGuy]

Are these in the works? Which present ships would be a good looking substitute for these would you think?

Many thanks,
Mountbatten

[GlowwormGuy]

Here are some great views of these fine Italian built warships:

http://warships.web4u.cz/lode.php?language=&stat=SIA&typ=TRA&trida=Trad

I was thinking if you guys were already doing Ariete perhaps a version of the Ariete with no turrets just guns would be similar to Trad.

Also the design of the Etna/Naresuan class is quite similar to the Capitan Romani.

http://warships.web4u.cz/lode.php?language=&stat=ITA&typ=CLA&trida=Etna

Kudos on the Gabbiano! That's a sweet boat!

Mountbatten

[JapLance]

Kudos on the Gabbiano! That's a sweet boat!

Just installed it into my DC folder and really looks amazing.

I have one question though. There are many UDF's which seem to be all exactly the same except for one field:

Flag= 1,2,3 and so on up to 9.

What does this mean?.

[Bruno Lotse]

By changing this Flag parameter you can change nationality of the ship. The model would fly the colors of the country which correspond to values 1.2.3 etc. Try it. Historically, after 09.43 some Gabbiano corvettes were taken over by Kriegsmarine and became German T class, after the war some became French, others - Soviet ships (WW2 reparations). It's one of the great features of SH2/DC - customization.

Hey, ask Mountbatten, should he have time he can do magnificent repaints the ships. He could make you German T out of Italian Gabbiano :rock:

[GlowwormGuy]

Thanks for the plug Bruno and yes I can (would love to!) do a repaint of the Gabbiano if you'd give me the colors or samples. I'm actually planning to use the old Gabbiano (DC version) as the German Vorpostenboote - I know should have a longer slimmer funnel - and I got a few new things kicking around in the cruiser category, repaints all though.

Mountbatten

[JapLance]

I had tried only in the viewer and there I could see no changes.

After setting up a quick mission in the game itself, now I've realised that penant numbers change with every different UDF, but not the flag itself: they're all waving Italian flag.

[Bruno Lotse]

@Mountbatten

Sure.
Here is wartime Gabbiano in color
http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/3689/Gabbiano1.th.jpg (http://img125.imageshack.us/my.php?image=Gabbiano1.jpg)
Another Gabbiano
http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/1235/Gabbiano3.th.jpg (http://img125.imageshack.us/my.php?image=Gabbiano3.jpg)
Yet another
http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/7406/Gabbiano2.th.jpg (http://img125.imageshack.us/my.php?image=Gabbiano2.jpg)

These are color schema for NTP Orsa. Yet the same colors were applied to Gabbiano as well.
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/2223/orsacolorschema2yx.th.jpg (http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=orsacolorschema2yx.jpg)

Here are color schema in color using NCL Scipione Africano (Class Capitani Romani)
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/6549/ScipioneAfricano.th.jpg (http://img440.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ScipioneAfricano.jpg)

and now NCL Duca D'Aosta
http://img317.imageshack.us/img317/6925/DucaDAosta.th.jpg (http://img317.imageshack.us/my.php?image=DucaDAosta.jpg)

This is German WWI veteran T class in Mediterrenian camo. T-3 actually
http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/3214/T3.th.jpg (http://img125.imageshack.us/my.php?image=T3.jpg)

Here's German starndard German T in the North Sea camo 'Kondor' and 'Falke'. Vorpostenboote should be in the same colors. Lots of them were just converted peacetime fishers. ;)
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/2148/Color3.th.jpg (http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=Color3.jpg)

Cheers,
Bruno

O Mamma mia! What is that in my scope - Italian built?
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/2627/Aquila08.th.jpg (http://img154.imageshack.us/my.php?image=Aquila08.jpg)
:huh:

[Scorpio U-1000]

These are color schema for NTP Orsa

A previews of Orsa... in progress:

http://www.rucolaman.supereva.it/orsabeta.jpg


By changing this Flag parameter you can change nationality of the ship

With the Orsa for example, changing the flag you can change the name of ship:

Orione, Orsa, Procione, Pegaso

;)

PS: we are not in Betasom anymore :roll:


www.forum.maricosom.net

:|\

[Bruno Lotse]

Oh Mamma Mia! Looking good, veeeeery good!
http://scosoft.com/s/Action/5f7de8e2.gif

[GlowwormGuy]

I'll do the ratty rusty one as the Vorpostenboot and use your camo for the T version.

Thanks very much Bruno,
Mountbatten

[Bruno Lotse]

RE: 'll do the ratty rusty one as the Vorpostenboot...
:up:

Here are another ones for your inspiration. Former Yugoslavian Masor and Marjan converted by Germans as Minenshiffe - Minelayers and Minesweepers operating in the Adriatic Sea.

Masor:
http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/2492/Masor.th.jpg (http://img332.imageshack.us/my.php?image=Masor.jpg)

Marjan
http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/1503/Marjan.th.jpg (http://img332.imageshack.us/my.php?image=Marjan.jpg)

Former Yugoslavian Leader Dubrovnik - in German service - TA 32

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/9967/DubrovnikTA32.th.jpg (http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=DubrovnikTA32.jpg)

Former Yugoslavian DD Beograd, then Italian Sibenico, and finally German TA 43
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/9123/BeogradTA43.th.jpg (http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=BeogradTA43.jpg)

[GlowwormGuy]

Man TA32 looks suspiciously like a British destroyer hehehe... looks like another incarnation for NDDA.

Mountbatten

[Bruno Lotse]

As the story goes, when Yugoslavian Navy establishment allocated money for a new leader they initially approached French, as French were renown for their ships built for Mediterrenian theater. Yet Yugoslavians wanted on their destroyers Check guns (I do not know why they would thought that Scoda (land-locked country) was good in Naval artillery. They were undeniably good in building tanks though). French said no. They would built everything top-notch but according to their own specifications - from keel to the last bolt. Then Yugoslavians approached British. The British answered - you want us to install those guns or you would install them yourselves? So, eventually Leader Dubrovnik was another incarnation of British Naval ship building...Well, when Germans took it over they installed their own naval guns.

[GlowwormGuy]

That solved it I guess... so I guess that 'this is a job for - NDDA!' Well Skoda works did pretty good artillery and I guess, being a part of the former Austro-Hungarian empire they were just more familiar with Skoda guns. Should do a pack - the German British looking ex-foreign destroyers: ZG3 Hermes, TA32... by the way, this is standard German camo colours? For the TA's I mean?

Mountbatten

[GlowwormGuy]

Just thinking out loud...

Would it be possible to modify this lovely vessel...

http://www.voodoo.cz/battleships/pics2/cesare%20plan%20col.jpg

... into this one?

http://www.oksenate.gov/senate_artwork/siege_of_uss_oklahoma.jpg

Change the masts into tripods, put the secondaries into the superstructure and take away one funnel...

Just thinking out loud,
Mountbatten

[GlowwormGuy]

First the bad news... the game does not have the German TB models for 1932 and 1939 which is really ridiculous as they're similar to the extant 1924 model but with a few guns added and subtracted here and there. So many missing things - heck they should have done at least two Warspites (Malaya type with old style tripods and the Warspite type) and at least two Renowns (Renown and Repulse, box superstructure former, tripod mast the latter) and a VW class with the old number of funnels, not just the single funnel long range version - I mean they had all those Yank and Japanese destroyers etc...

So that's the bad news...

The good news is

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/9939/3coloraingame0md.th.jpg (http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3coloraingame0md.jpg)

I'll send it over to Horsa for hosting. Included are the stock Gabbiano repainted as a Vorpostenboot and a 'lifeboat' (just a PT boat repaint in wood texture).

Cheers,
Mountbatten

[willi]

The good news is

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/9939/3coloraingame0md.th.jpg (http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3coloraingame0md.jpg)

I'll send it over to Horsa for hosting. Included are the stock Gabbiano repainted as a Vorpostenboot and a 'lifeboat' (just a PT boat repaint in wood texture).

Cheers,
Mountbatten

Very, very nice!
:yep:

[Scorpio U-1000]

:rock: Good Work! :rock:

:up:

[GlowwormGuy]

Hi Horsa, hope you got the file safe and sound!

I'll work on a couple of more repaints for the TBs including 2 color and variant 3 color (green, white, black) schemes so we can get a trifle more color in there. By the way, Scorpio let me know where I can send this (if you'd care to include them in the Italian set or whatever) and Bruno please remind me of your email address again. I'll try and send over the Capetown repaints and a few other things.

hTanks,
Mountbatten

[horsa]

Hi Horsa, hope you got the file safe and sound!

Nothing received recently :-?

[willi]

Hi Mountbatten
Thanks for your offer that we appreciate.
We will try to insert the unity that you will repaint in the expansion MN of next publication, or in a following patch.
The address where you can send the file, you find it in PM.

Willi

:D

[Bruno Lotse]

Re: Well Skoda works did pretty good artillery...
You're right. I've read recently that Skoda was the main supplier of naval guns for Austro-Hungarian fleet. Battleships of class Viribus Unitis were equipped with original Skoda guns. So Checks were in no way novices in naval artillery. The reason why French did not want to install Check guns on Dubrovnik was simply French desire to maintain their DD fleet as the most powerful in the Mediterrenian. Check guns were 140 mm capable to throw 40kg shells to 24 km while the most powerful French DD gun was 138 mm. When British built Leader Dubrovnik and installed 4X140mm guns, Dubrovik became the most powerful destroyer (in terms of gunnery) in the world all the way till German experiments with 150mm guns (which proved to be a failure - they eventually reverted to 127mm). Yugoslavians also had three destroyers - Beograd, Ljubljana, Zagreb. These three were based on French Barasque with 4x120mm but again Skoda guns. Italians captured Dubrovik ('Premuda'), Beograd ('Sebenico'), Ljublana ('Ljublana'). Zagreb was destroyed by its own crew who did not want to surrender their ship. Germans took over Premuda and Sebenico - TA 32 and TA43. Ljublana sank in spring 1943.
I like your idea of repainting British cruisers. Looking at stock RN cruisers in the game one might think that RN was in Toulon throughout the WW2 - no camo,no nothing. Have a look at the HMS Arethusa in so called 'Malta' camo, i.e. colors specific for that theater of war.
My email Bruno_Lotse@yahoo.ca

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/263/Color2.th.jpg (http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=Color2.jpg)
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/7719/Color1.th.jpg (http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=Color1.jpg)

Here's HMS Coventry in 1941. See... She was not in Toulon. She was at Alexandria and as such she was properly painted :sunny:
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/1218/HMSCoventry.th.jpg (http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=HMSCoventry.jpg)

And finally my love, heroes of Malta HMS Abdiel and Maxman :up:

http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/9505/Abdiel.th.jpg (http://img379.imageshack.us/my.php?image=Abdiel.jpg)
http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/7964/Maxman.th.jpg (http://img379.imageshack.us/my.php?image=Maxman.jpg)

Here's another one HMS Maxman in May 1942 painted as if she is a French destroyer Chacal. Ooooh sneaky British. :D Yet, what can you say - blockade runner...
http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/7964/Maxman.th.jpg (http://img467.imageshack.us/my.php?image=Maxman.jpg)

[GlowwormGuy]

Oakydoky will resend and cc to Bruno and Willi as well.

Thanks very much for the lovely plates Bruno. I've actually been doing most of the work on the Dido III (Black Prince - a Dido with 3rd turret removed) and a reworked Exeter posing as Delhi/Capetown class. Would be nice to have different camo versions of others. Particularly for Mediterranean theater as that's where the Italian fleet is expanding (hehehe)

Many thanks,
Mountbatten

[Bruno Lotse]

Here some ships to spoil Italian drive to Mare Nostrum :arrgh!:

HMS York
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/4426/HMSYork.th.jpg (http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=HMSYork.jpg)

HMS Enterprise
http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/9964/Enterprise.th.jpg (http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=Enterprise.jpg)
HMS Southampton
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/1677/Southampton1.th.jpg (http://img375.imageshack.us/my.php?image=Southampton1.jpg)
HMS Black Prince
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/3146/BlackPrince.th.jpg (http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=BlackPrince.jpg)

HMS Scylla
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/7691/Scylla.th.jpg (http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=Scylla.jpg)

HMS Coventry
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/1162/Coventry_Page_2.th.jpg (http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=Coventry_Page_2.jpg)
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/5248/Coventry_Page_1.th.jpg (http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=Coventry_Page_1.jpg)

HMS Delhi
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/1609/Delhi_Page_2.th.jpg (http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=Delhi_Page_2.jpg)
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/6329/Delhi_Page_1.th.jpg (http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=Delhi_Page_1.jpg)

HMS Ajax
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/2918/Ajax.th.jpg (http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=Ajax.jpg)

HMS Swiftsure (well, she wasn't actually there but color plates are quite standard - light gray - dark gray)
http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/6479/Swiftsure.th.jpg (http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=Swiftsure.jpg)

Parra bellum :rock:

[GlowwormGuy]

Nice selection there Bruno,

I was getting tired of seeing the Brits in their prewar camo pattern - ie NO CAMO :-j

Let's see what we can churn out with a few cans of paint :up:

Mountbatten

[JapLance]

Here's my first try at skinning one of these warship models, using the Scylla profile that Bruno posted above:

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/1393/mydidoclass2ni.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

It's not yet complete, I still need to do the damaged version and I still don't know where the model takes the deck texture, but it looks nice :cool: .

[Bruno Lotse]

:up:
Keep going!

[Bruno Lotse]

HMS Scylla Class Dido second group somewhere near Malta
http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/7691/Scylla.th.jpg (http://img74.imageshack.us/my.php?image=Scylla.jpg)

Her sistership HMS Charybdis at Gibraltar
http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/2508/Charybdis.th.jpg (http://img74.imageshack.us/my.php?image=Charybdis.jpg)
Okay, where is Charybdis anyway?

HMS Cairo at La Valetta
http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/6960/Cairo.th.jpg (http://img74.imageshack.us/my.php?image=Cairo.jpg)
Again, where is Cairo?

Aha! No we know why the RN would paint their ships id 'defensive' Malta camo. It could help as long as your enemy short of radars. That was exactly the case with Regia Marina.
:D

[GlowwormGuy]

Hey good on ya mate! That's great too we now have potentially two textures for the Dido types.

You take the deck textures from the GENxxxx files within the model. Use the Hex editor to FIND the files labeled GenBritish or GenUSA etc. These give the deck and flag textures. These are external files (of course) and you don't need to extract them with COVET's tools.

Do let me know which ones you plan to cover or are covering (no harm in doubling up though) so we can cover more ground in less time.

Right now I'll be working on Bruno's TA types so have a go at the Brit cruisers :up:

Cheers,
Mountbatten

[Bruno Lotse]

Another famous NCL
HMAS Perth near coasts of French Syria sometime in June 1941.
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/8492/Perth.th.jpg (http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=Perth.jpg)

Her plates while she was in that area. She'd better stay that way...
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/661/PerthPlate_3.th.jpg (http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=PerthPlate_3.jpg)
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/8143/PerthPlate_2.th.jpg (http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=PerthPlate_2.jpg)
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/8661/PerthPlate_1.th.jpg (http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=PerthPlate_1.jpg)

Cheers,
Bruno

[JapLance]

Here is a link to the Dido repaint:

Dido repaint (http://www.terra.es/personal2/971726567/DC/RepaintDido.ace)

I'll give a try at this Perth then :yep: . Definitely all British cruisers need a new paintjob, Ultimation didn't pay much attention to them.

[JapLance]

And HMAS Perth arriving at Gibraltar :arrgh!:

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/4333/hmasperth12xa.jpg

Repaint Perth (http://www.terra.es/personal2/971726567/DC/RepaintPerth.ace)

Enjoy it! :).

[Bruno Lotse]

Wow !!! Looking very good. :up: :up: :up:

We have damage model as well, haven't we?

Guys, can you add a little bit of paint to create an illusion of a typical British bow of your newly repainted cruisers.
That's what I mean. This feature is way British as fish and chips
http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/8492/Perth.th.jpg (http://img108.imageshack.us/my.php?image=Perth.jpg)
http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/6172/Perth1.th.jpg (http://img108.imageshack.us/my.php?image=Perth1.jpg)

Here's another one - HMAS Habart (Perth) and HMS Neptune (Leander) near Punto Silo. Same old story light gray - dark gray.
Picture is taken from HMS Ajax (Leander)
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/8571/HMASHobartHMSNeptune.th.jpg (http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=HMASHobartHMSNeptune.jpg)

Here's Ajax herself in Alexandria in 1941. I guess her captain was a fan of chess.
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/2918/Ajax.th.jpg (http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=Ajax.jpg)

Cheers,
Bruno

[GlowwormGuy]

Nice JapLance!

By the way, if you've not already spotted this...

http://warships.web4u.cz/typy.php?language=E&stat=GB

Lots of good stuff there!

Meanwhile... HMS Colombo

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/2208/hmscolombo8mz.th.jpg (http://img105.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hmscolombo8mz.jpg)

(yes it IS the Exeter mod rearmed)

http://www.momoshare.com/file.php?file=a577491bb70f4412b293227457644ada

Will try out your new repaints...
Mountbatten

[GlowwormGuy]

By the way JapLance could you also mirror the files as either zip or rar, pretty please :)

Many thanks,
Mountbatten

[Bruno Lotse]

Couldn't make out how HMS Colombo looks like. Way too dark for my machine. :damn: I need more :sunny:

But I am sure she's close to these plates: HMS Colombo in 1943 - the year she arrived at Mediterranean from the Far East.
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/6896/Colombo.th.jpg (http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=Colombo.jpg)
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/6000/Colombo2.th.jpg (http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=Colombo2.jpg)
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3567/Colombo1.th.jpg (http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=Colombo1.jpg)

'Rearmed?' Do you mean you changed turrets? Wow!!! If we have HMS Colombo, i.e. NCL Class C (Capetown, Cairo, Coventry- 13 units) then we also have class D (Delhi, Danae, Dragon) 8 ships. A little bit of change in paintjob to make them look a little bit different and here we go!Very good!!!

Gents, if I am not mistaken the stock game does not have NCL class Southampton. Sometime ago sergbuto made a model for the ship.
You can get her here http://web.telia.com/~u18216264/

[JapLance]

By the way JapLance could you also mirror the files as either zip or rar, pretty please :)

Well, the reason I use Winace is that it gives the best compression rate, and I have a very limited space in my website. Anyway, if you use Winrar you should be able to open .ace files without problems.

A bit off-topic, but is there anywhere a dumbs guide on how to hex-edit the .jrf's?. I don't know exactly what to change to have different copies of the same model with different paints (so I can keep the original Dido, for instance). I know the new .jrf name must be also changed somewhere inside, but I see the old name in many different parts, and I don't know which ones to change. Looked for old topics on this, but apart from lots of references to hex-editing used for lots of things (add things, remove things, change things) I couldn't find anything clear.

[Bruno Lotse]

Have you tried sergbuto's retexturing guide?

http://web.telia.com/~u18216264/Retexturing_Guide.pdf

About .ace. I agree, it is a very good compressor. I am using also 7z.
@Mountbatten
Another option to process .ace files is IzArc archiver. You can get it here. Unfortunately, it does not support Linux which is my favorite OS.
But it is very good on WinDoz.

http://www.izarc.org/

[JapLance]

Have you tried sergbuto's retexturing guide?

http://web.telia.com/~u18216264/Retexturing_Guide.pdf

It's very useful for using external textures (I've done mi first successful hexediting on a model so it uses an alternative texture for some parts), but I still don't know what to change to create a copy of an existing model under a different name. All my attempts have finished in game crashes :hmm: .

EDIT: I think I've finaly found my mistake, I hadn't changed the name in the textures as well. I renamed them and re-inserted them and it seems to work!.

[GlowwormGuy]

Hi Jap Lance,

I use a nice little free prog called FRHED and the first thing to do is to change the name of the file keeping the same number of letters (kinda hard for the ones with short names!) then in FRHED run a FIND search for all the files with that name, NCLDIDO for example and then REPLACE with NCLDIDD or NCLDIDI (whatever you renamed the file). Run a REPLACE ALL if possible (and make sure you get the spelling right!) This is the FIRST step, before even opening up Covet's tools as this will give you a whole new name for the texture files when generated. To change the deck textures without overwriting the originals run a search for the GENxxx files. These cross reference the Gen type textures.

Also, as indicated in the retexturing guide you can have larger textures which are external to the model.

Looking forward to your new stuff!

Mountbatten

[GlowwormGuy]

Afraid it's not a new turret deal... you still get the Exeter's massive 8" turrets, but they're firing smaller shells. I'm afraid I've not got the arcane knowledge of masters like Serge or the Italian geniuses. But from a distance it does the trick. Of course if someone could change those ruddy turrets I wouldn't complain :up:

Cheers,
Mountbatten

[JapLance]

This was my testing ship for my first hex-editing: Italian cruiser R.Montecuccoli.

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/4194/montecuccoli3mx.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Montecuccoli repaint (http://www.terra.es/personal2/971726567/DC/RepaintMontecuccoli.ace)

Seems to work OK. Download includes an external texture, GENMonte.TGA, which contains the guns, decks, racks and some other stuff.

In case someone doesn't know what to do with it, just put it all in the models folder and reroute the .UDF to the new .JRF.

[GlowwormGuy]

That looks SOOOOWWWWEEEEET! :up:

Will give the ace files another go tomorrow. Looks like we got a good thing going with the repaints. Hope that Horsa can put the stuff I sent him up, even in a provisional page...

Mountbatten

[JapLance]

If you can't get the .ace files to work just give me an email address by PM and I'll send them in zip format.

[Bruno Lotse]

Nice going JapLance. Very convincing looking NCL Raimondo Montecuccoli in her wartime camo. :up:
While you at it, why not putting paint brush here and there and we'll get her sistership Muzio Attendolo?

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/6411/Untitled13.th.jpg (http://img131.imageshack.us/my.php?image=Untitled13.jpg)
http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/7298/UntitledExtractPages1_Page_3.th.jpg (http://img131.imageshack.us/my.php?image=UntitledExtractPages1_Page_3.jpg)
http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/8407/UntitledExtractPages1_Page_2.th.jpg (http://img131.imageshack.us/my.php?image=UntitledExtractPages1_Page_2.jpg)
http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/6326/UntitledExtractPages1_Page_1.th.jpg (http://img131.imageshack.us/my.php?image=UntitledExtractPages1_Page_1.jpg)

[GlowwormGuy]

Quite alright. ACE files are okay (silly me for not checking). I hope that you were able to get the hex editor and that you were able to rename the files :)

Lookin' mighty fine!
Mountbatten

[GlowwormGuy]

http://web.ukonline.co.uk/chalcraft/sm/images/bonaventure.jpg

By the way, what color do you think these grey ladies will be? Any thoughts?

Mountbatten

[JapLance]

OK, the M. Attendolo is in the docks, almost ready to make it to sea again ;).

Glad to hear that GlowwormGuy finally could cope with the Aces hehehehe.

And yes, the Montecuccolis have different model names and a new external file each (it was necessary, as some parts of the ship were in the Gen Italy and the camo is very different now). Nevertheless, the main TGA's are still inside the model; I don't like to fill my models folder with lots of TGA's, and also my system struggles to handle bigger textures.

Regarding that merchant ship, is seems like the darker side could be a blueish grey maybe. Sorry but my English is not good enough as to be clearer.

[JapLance]

The M. Attendolo is ready:

http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/2156/mattendolo4hw.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Repaint Attendolo (http://www.terra.es/personal2/971726567/DC/RepaintAttendolo.ace)

[blumen-bts]

Very good repaint :up:

[Bruno Lotse]

Very nice repaint indeed. :up:
I especially love that white and red stripes on the bow which were applied to warn Luftwaffe who tend to bomb both British and Italian ships without much discrimination (actually Italian pilots would do it as well). Man, we should have this feature on R.Montecuccolli as well. It is very realistic. :rock:

[JapLance]

Thank you guys!. A big part of the merit is for people like Sergbuto, who did a nice guide that helped me a lot. And with lovely profiles like those that Bruno showed is difficult to do it ugly.

Bruno, the Montecuccoli has the same air recognition stripes in the bow, though not so nice, as I didn't have that lovely profile and I also didn't know how long they were. Anyway they're in the external TGA, so you can use the one on Attendolo with a very simple copy&paste.

Soon a repainted Queen Elizabeth BB and a also a Southampton CL :arrgh!: .

[horsa]

Some really good stuff here, guys. It's become one of my "must check daily" sites. :up:

I'm collecting the repaints as they come on line. :D

[Bruno Lotse]

JapLance, here you go.

Admiral Cuningham's flagship HMS Warspite near Punto Stilo.
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/3627/Warspite.th.jpg (http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=Warspite.jpg)

Her mothership - HMS Queen Elizabeth:
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/7235/QE.th.jpg (http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=QE.jpg)

Her plates:
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/9254/QEcamo_Page_3.th.jpg (http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=QEcamo_Page_3.jpg)
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/2406/QEcamo_Page_2.th.jpg (http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=QEcamo_Page_2.jpg)
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/2177/QEcamo_Page_1.th.jpg (http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=QEcamo_Page_1.jpg)

HMS Warspite camo schema
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/1304/Warspitecamo.th.jpg (http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=Warspitecamo.jpg)
:up:

[GlowwormGuy]

Very nice repaint indeed. :up:
I especially love that white and red stripes on the bow which were applied to warn Luftwaffe who tend to bomb both British and Italian ships without much discrimination (actually Italian pilots would do it as well). Man, we should have this feature on R.Montecuccolli as well. It is very realistic. :rock:

Lovely work! Actually the stripes were applied to the S-Boot in the Black Sea as well also as a recognition device. Glad you're aboard JapLance.

Mountbatten

[GlowwormGuy]

Regarding that merchant ship, is seems like the darker side could be a blueish grey maybe. Sorry but my English is not good enough as to be clearer.

No prob Jap Lance, your English is just fine. Yeah I was thinking it's your basic North Sea camo as she's an auxilliary ship (sub tender HMS Bonaventure).

Mountbatten

[Bruno Lotse]

@Mountbatten
Re: she's an auxilliary ship (sub tender HMS Bonaventure).

I see you like auxiliary ships...
How about this. Former Yugoslavian sea plane tender Zmaj renamed by Germans to Drache and converted to helicopter carrier.
Mostly used as a mine layer and fast troop transport.

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/7843/Drache3.th.jpg (http://img151.imageshack.us/my.php?image=Drache3.jpg)

Transporting troops
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/1752/Drache1.th.jpg (http://img151.imageshack.us/my.php?image=Drache1.jpg)

Drache under attack by RAF Beaufigher in September 1943.
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/6457/Drache2.th.jpg (http://img151.imageshack.us/my.php?image=Drache2.jpg)
She survived this attack. Eventually Beaufighters got her a year later, i.e. in September 1944.

[GlowwormGuy]

they do add some variety to an anchorage. The Bonaventure interests me because she's the depot ship for the British X-Craft Submarines.

But that is one interesting ship, the Drache was it? Man can you imagine a match up with Graf Zeppelin or Aquilla? An alternate history commando movie - Get the Ark Royal (or Illustrious or something) where the Brandenburger Commandos launch an airborne landing on the Ark Royal while the Me109s and Stukas cover and suppress the AAA of the carrier. Major propaganda coup for Nazi Germany... except there happens to be an ex-Royal Marine Commando who's now a cook in the galley of the ship (played by Steven Seagal LOL)

But seriously that's a neat little ship. It's such a pity we can't move stuff around the model. It could be a Flower maybe or a German escort ship with one funnel deleted.

Another thing I noticed, trawlers of this period look virtually alike - one tall slim funnel to the rear, a boxy bridge structure and one or two guns, one at the very bow the other at the stern. That ship really should be in the game...

Mountbatten

[GlowwormGuy]

By the way Bruno could you please resend those German TB color camo plates? I seem to have misplaced the first one and I'd really want to finish the repaints before I move on to another.

Thanks,
Mountbatten

[Bruno Lotse]

Here you go.

German torpedo boats Type 23-24 'Roubtier'/'Roubvogel' otherwise known as 'Wolf'

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/263/Color2.th.jpg (http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=Color2.jpg)
http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/8418/color14ku.th.jpg (http://img159.imageshack.us/my.php?image=color14ku.jpg)
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/2148/Color3.th.jpg (http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=Color3.jpg)

Type 35/37/39
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/3530/UntitledExtractPages_Page_1.th.jpg (http://img97.imageshack.us/my.php?image=UntitledExtractPages_Page_1.jpg)
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/5686/UntitledExtractPages_Page_2.th.jpg (http://img97.imageshack.us/my.php?image=UntitledExtractPages_Page_2.jpg)

[Bruno Lotse]

Brandenburger Commandos you say... How about this Brandenburger Kommando guys boarding Drache in November 1943. They are off to Leros :arrgh!:
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/299/Branderburger.th.jpg (http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=Branderburger.jpg)

Helicopter maintenance aboard of Drache.
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/2215/Hubschrauber.th.jpg (http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=Hubschrauber.jpg)
Well, she was a small ship. But she was an operational ship. :rock:

[willi]

Hi Bruno, Mountbatten, JapLance, Horsa
We have some units that need a texture improvement for Mare Nostrum mod.
If someone are be able to help us,he will be very appreciated.

We also would like to ask permission to the authors of those wonderfull british ships, retextured for the mediterranean theatre,and also the model of the italian unity Muzio Attendolo, to use them in our mod instead of the originals. All contributions, of course, will be acknoledged in the credits of the mod.
Obviously the mod will be completely free.

The link is www.forum.maricosom.net.

[JapLance]

No problem at all from my side. I enjoyed Alfa Tau a lot and hope to enjoy even more of Mare Nostrum :up:. Take what you may need of my repaints. Soon I'll have the Queen Elizabeth and the Southampton ready.

Regarding help with textures in MN, I'm not sure to be very helpful, since I more or less know how to use existing ship profiles in simple models like those of the original game, but I'm not very talented if I have to actually paint the ships.

[Bruno Lotse]

I am not good at retexturing at all. Plus recently my main OS is Linux so I cannot test units as SH/DC require exclusively Windows 98/XP. However, I have some literature about various Navies of the WW2 period, I am very interested in history of naval engagements in the Mediterranean Sea, and I am looking forward to Mare Nostrum as the most realistic and historically correct Naval sim ever. Consequently, I am most willing to contribute by sharing whatever information I might have (camo plates, ships, drawings of guns etc.)

[GlowwormGuy]

Horsa has pretty much all my older stuff, though. You may be interested in the Blackburn Skua for earlier battles with Ark Royal or something like that. Sure wouldn't mind helping out in my spare time. What ships? :know: I don't suppose there's a chance of seeing my ship there hehehe (ie. HMS Kelly)

Mountbatten

[GlowwormGuy]

Sure can vouch for that Bruno - wherever would I be without you and your treasure trove of info!

Many many thanks alt kamerad,
Mountbatten

[JapLance]

Cortesy of Bruno and his superb profiles, the QE:

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/8272/qerep7sc.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Repaint HMS Queen Elizabeth (http://www.terra.es/personal2/971726567/DC/RepaintQElizabeth.ace)

[Bruno Lotse]

I bet our Italian friends are busy writing a mission how to sneak into Alexandria harbor and blow up both HMS Valiant and HMS Queen Elizabeth.

It's a shame - looks like everybody knows the name of Gunther Prien and not many aware who were Durad De la Penne, Antonio Marceglia, Vincenzo Martellotta.
These incredibly brave guys riding their maiale sneaked into the main RN harbor in the Mediterrenian and blew up two battleships, a tanker, and damaged HMS Jervis.:arrgh!:

Man, when you feel like it, give us also HMS Valiant and HMS Warspite. This should be just a matter of a little bit different camo on the same QE class battleship.

http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/3756/Valiant.th.jpg (http://img451.imageshack.us/my.php?image=Valiant.jpg)

[GlowwormGuy]

Well I got busy last night (can't let JapLance have all the fun hehehe) and I'll be posting a new German T-class escort in two color camo based on Bruno's posted plate.

http://rapidshare.de/files/16436960/GerTB1924_2_color.zip.html

Enjoy,
Mountbatten

[AG124]

Is anyone making any new merchant vessles for Silent Hunter II? (Besides the Fishing Boat and Tugboat) There are very few stock ones.

(I'd also like to know if there is any way possible to add new ships to AOD, even though I doubt anyone would be interested even if it were possible.)

[JapLance]

As far as I know, there is no chance to add new ships to AOTD.

For SH2 there are three German raider models which look like merchants, so I guess you could use the models, and also in the Pacific Aces mod I think there is at least a couple of new ones.

That ship in your signature is the coastal tanker from AOD converted for SH3, right?.

PD: excellent, glowworm, I'll try it tonight after the MotoGP races :rock: .

[GlowwormGuy]

Not new merchants just new repaints. I got it in my head to try and make as many of these old ships in their old company colors so there are quite a few kicking around in my HD.

By the way, it would be nice if someone could translate those SH3 ships into SH2 hehehe.

I think AoD doesn't have the flexibility to add new ships unfortunately.

Cheers,
Mountbatten

[AG124]

For SH2 there are three German raider models which look like merchants, so I guess you could use the models, and also in the Pacific Aces mod I think there is at least a couple of new ones.

I think I have downloaded at least one of those raiders. But just in case you are talking about different ones, could you tell me where they are?

As far as I know, there is no chance to add new ships to AOTD.

:down:

That ship in your signature is the coastal tanker from AOD converted for SH3, right?.

Well, actually it is a kitbash of the Tugboat from SH3. But is designed to look like those two small tankers from AOD.

With all theses new ships for SH2, I might have to get back into playing it again. :hmm:

[Bruno Lotse]

@Mountbatten
Downloaded GerTB1924_2_color.zip
Man, there's no pictures there. Give us pictures of Mowe and Wolf in camo :arrgh!:

[JapLance]

For SH2 there are three German raider models which look like merchants, so I guess you could use the models, and also in the Pacific Aces mod I think there is at least a couple of new ones.

I think I have downloaded at least one of those raiders. But just in case you are talking about different ones, could you tell me where they are?

In this site (Serbuto's) there are two of them, the Kormoran and another one called raider.rar (I think it's the Stier):

http://web.telia.com/~u18216264/

Then you have Pinguin/Kandenfels in Canarb's site:

http://canarb.altervista.org/index.htm

By the way, it would be nice if someone could translate those SH3 ships into SH2 hehehe.

I've seen a few pics and they look specially well. It would be amazing to have them in SH2.

[AG124]

The Pinguin was the one I had. Thanks for letting me know where Serg's site was (I thought I had seen it before but forgot where it is). :up:

I am very familiar with modding and installing ships for SH3, but I don't know much about SH2 modding. How would I remove the armaments to use these raiders as freighters?

[willi]

I apologize me for the slowness of my answers, but I don't know to sufficiency the English language.

- for JapLance.
I have downloaded from your site the whole available material.
We think about using: NCLPerth, NCLAttendolo and/or NCLMontecuccoli. If you will complete the NBBQElizabeth we will directly insert it in the mod, or in a following moment with a patch.
Currently we use the beautiful version of NCLSouthampton built by Sergbuto, but we can also see your paint.
Thanks to you.

- for Bruno.
We remember your precious collaboration in the testing of the unities for Alpha Tau. We won't miss to ask you for information for yours recognized competence of the historical aspects of the naval unities and war actions.
Thanks!

- for Mountbatten
We have inserted in the mod, almost all the Italian unities that you have repainted and that you have sent us in the past months. Unfortunately some missions is developed at the night time.
With the exception of the Italian airplanes we have inserted in the mod only the airplanes standard. Now the mod is almost complete, and our limited human resources don't allow us substantial additions.
Unfortunately the class of Destroyer "K" (HMS Kelly) is not inclusive in the standard unities of the game, and we have tried to represent war actions with protagonists the classes of available unity.
Thanks You!

[willi]

Classes of English ships currently present in the mod Our Sea.

Classi delle unità Inglesi attualmente presenti nel mod Mare Nostrum.

AFFBeaufighterMkX
AFFHurricane
AHBSunderland
AHBSunderlandMkIII
ASCCatalina
ASCCatalinaGB
ATBSwordfish
ATBSwordfishMkIII
MFCCargo
MFCCargoGB
MOTgenTankerGB
NBBQElizabeth
NBBRSovereign
NBCRenown
NCAKent
NCLArethusa
NCLFiji
NCLLeander
NCLPerth
NCLSouthampton (Sergbuto)
NCVArkRoyal
NCVIllustrious
NDDA
NDDCampbell
NDDG
NDDO
NDDOnslow
NDDTribal
NDDVW
NDEHunt1
NCOFlower (Sperèm)
NFlower
NPTMTB
NSSSclass
NSSUclass (Sperèm)
NSSVclass (Sperèm)

[GlowwormGuy]

Though since JapLance is basing his repaints off Bruno's plates w/c I think are from the Profile Morskie books you may want to consider them as a 'sister ship'. After all doesn't it get rather boring (not to mention unrealistic) to have ships all with the exact same camo scheme? :yep:

Well if you can still fit them in I can send you the Do217K, Avro Lancaster and Blackburn Skua. IIRC the Skua was well used by the HMS Ark Royal in 1940. I'm thinking of doing a repaint of the Beaufighter as an early Blenheim as well if you'd like it. Also I got a new repaint of the British Clyde and Narwhal class subs (same repaint, different UDF) w/c I finished last night.

Well hopefully sometime in the future we may see Kelly or a more accurate Hood - I'm just happy with whatever the Italian shipyards can launch :up:

As for Mowe class, that's the piece de resistance. I'll be doing those hopefully with all the schemes you sent me so I think you'll have a lot of fun with that Bruno. Just finished the two tone color scheme for the '1935' and a spankin new repaint of the two subs mentioned above.

And - good news JapLance - there IS a workaround for the non-German anti-aircraft guns. Machineguns don't work... but (hint, hint) AA guns do!

Cheers,
Mountbatten

[Bruno Lotse]

Bristol Blenheim

;; AHBBristol.UDF - Unit descriptor file for Bristol Beaufighter (including X)

[UNIT]
Category = AIRCRAFT
Type = Bomber
Class = Bristol Blenheim
Model = ATBBeaufighter
Origin = England
Date = 3909
Crew = 4
UpdatesPerSecond = 40
ExemptFromSilliness = TRUE
Preprocess = TRUE

[AIRFRAME]
Mass = 6550 ;11431kg loaded

[MANEUVER]
System = Maneuver
YawRate = 10 ; degrees per second
PitchRate = 10 ; degrees per second
RollRate = 10 ; degrees per second

[PROPULSION]
Type = PROPELLOR
System = Propulsion
Speed = 256 ; NMPH
Range = 1684 ;NM
FuelCapacity = 100

[SENSOR1]
Type = LOOKOUT
System = Lookout
#if between(19390101,date,19400401)
CrewRating = 0.10
#endif
#if between(19400402,date,19400915)
CrewRating = 0.20
#endif
#if between(19400916,date,19410601)
CrewRating = 0.35
#endif
#if between(19410602,date,19420401)
CrewRating = 0.40
#endif
#if between(19420402,date,19430101)
CrewRating = 0.50
#endif
#if between(19430102,date,19430501)
CrewRating = 0.60
#endif
#if between(19430502,date,19430801)
CrewRating = 0.65
#endif
#if between(19430802,date,19430901)
CrewRating = 0.70
#endif
#if between(19430902,date,19440401)
CrewRating = 0.75
#endif
#if between(19440402,date,19440601)
CrewRating = 0.80
#endif
#if between(19440602,date,19450101)
CrewRating = 0.85
#endif
#if between(19450102,date,19450501)
CrewRating = 0.92
#endif
#if between(19450502,date,19460101)
CrewRating = 1.00
#endif



;; Begin radar----------

#if between(19400615,date,19421001)
[SENSOR2]
Type = RADAR
System = RadarGB_ASVII
#endif

#if between(19421002,date,19440901)
[SENSOR2]
Type = RADAR
System = RadarGB_ASVIII
#endif

#if between(19440902,date,19460101)
[SENSOR2]
Type = RADAR
System = RadarGB_ASVIV
#endif


;; End Radar----------------


[WEAPON1]
Type = TURRET
Node = MG1 ;nose
System = Gun7_7mm
ElevRange = -80,80
TravRange1 = 0,-60,60
#if between(19390101,date,19440601)
System = Gun7_7mm
#endif
#if between(19440602,date,19460101)
System = Gun13mm
#endif

[WEAPON2]
Type = TURRET
Node = AA1 ; dorsal
ElevRange = 0,80
TravRange1 = 180,0,0
#if between(19390101,date,19430101)
System = Gun7_7mm
#endif
#if between(19430102,date,19460101)
System = Gun13mm
#endif

[WEAPON3]
Type = TURRET
Node = MG11
System = Gun30Cal
ElevRange = -2,50
TravRange1 = 180,145,-145

;------------ 4x250lb/ 2DCs / (rockets)

[WEAPON4]
Type = BOMB
Node = Torp
System = Bomb
ElevRange = 0,0
TravRange1 = 0,0,0
AmmoType1 = Bomb250lb
MagazineCount1 = 4
#if between(19390101,date,19400401)
CrewRating = 0.10
#endif
#if between(19400402,date,19400615)
CrewRating = 0.20
#endif
#if between(19400616,date,19420401)
CrewRating = 0.35
#endif
#if between(19420402,date,19421201)
CrewRating = 0.40
#endif
#if between(19421202,date,19430101)
CrewRating = 0.50
#endif
#if between(19430102,date,19430501)
CrewRating = 0.60
#endif
#if between(19430502,date,19430801)
CrewRating = 0.65
#endif
#if between(19430802,date,19430901)
CrewRating = 0.70
#endif
#if between(19430902,date,19440401)
CrewRating = 0.75
#endif
#if between(19440402,date,19440501)
CrewRating = 0.80
#endif
#if between(19440502,date,19450101)
CrewRating = 0.85
#endif
#if between(19450102,date,19450501)
CrewRating = 0.92
#endif
#if between(19450502,date,19460101)
CrewRating = 1.00
#endif

[WEAPON5]
Type = DEPTHCHARGE
Node = Torp
TravRange1 = 180,180,180
System = AirDepthCharge
MagazineCount1 = 1
MagazineSize1 = 2
#if between(19390101,date,19400531)
AmmoType1 = DepthChargeGB_250lb
#endif
#if between(19400601,date,19410301)
AmmoType1 = DepthChargeGB_MkVII
#endif
#if between(19410302,date,19430101)
AmmoType1 = DepthChargeGB_MkVIII
#endif
#if between(19430102,date,19460101)
AmmoType1 = DepthChargeGB_MkXI
#endif
#if between(19390101,date,19400401)
CrewRating = 0.10
#endif
#if between(19400402,date,19400615)
CrewRating = 0.20
#endif
#if between(19400616,date,19420401)
CrewRating = 0.35
#endif
#if between(19420402,date,19421201)
CrewRating = 0.40
#endif
#if between(19421202,date,19430101)
CrewRating = 0.50
#endif
#if between(19430102,date,19430501)
CrewRating = 0.60
#endif
#if between(19430502,date,19430801)
CrewRating = 0.65
#endif
#if between(19430802,date,19430901)
CrewRating = 0.70
#endif
#if between(19430902,date,19440401)
CrewRating = 0.75
#endif
#if between(19440402,date,19440501)
CrewRating = 0.80
#endif
#if between(19440502,date,19450101)
CrewRating = 0.85
#endif
#if between(19450102,date,19450501)
CrewRating = 0.92
#endif
#if between(19450502,date,19460101)
CrewRating = 1.00
#endif

[Bruno Lotse]

Bristol Beaufort MK 1

;; ATBBeaufort.UDF - Unit descriptor file for Bristol Beaufort MK 1
[UNIT]
Category = AIRCRAFT
Type = torpedo
Class = Bristol Beaufort Mk I
Model = ATBBeaufighter
Origin = England
Date = 4005
Crew = 4
UpdatesPerSecond = 40
ExemptFromSilliness = TRUE
Preprocess = TRUE

[AIRFRAME]
Mass = 9630 ;

[MANEUVER]
System = Maneuver
YawRate = 7 ; degrees per second
PitchRate = 7 ; degrees per second
RollRate = 7 ; degrees per second

[PROPULSION]
Type = PROPELLOR
System = Propulsion
Speed = 200 ; NMPH 225mph
Range = 1276 ;NM
FuelCapacity = 100

[SENSOR1]
Type = LOOKOUT
System = Lookout
#if between(19390101,date,19400401)
CrewRating = 0.10
#endif
#if between(19400402,date,19400915)
CrewRating = 0.20
#endif
#if between(19400916,date,19410601)
CrewRating = 0.35
#endif
#if between(19410602,date,19420401)
CrewRating = 0.40
#endif
#if between(19420402,date,19430101)
CrewRating = 0.50
#endif
#if between(19430102,date,19430501)
CrewRating = 0.60
#endif
#if between(19430502,date,19430801)
CrewRating = 0.65
#endif
#if between(19430802,date,19430901)
CrewRating = 0.70
#endif
#if between(19430902,date,19440401)
CrewRating = 0.75
#endif
#if between(19440402,date,19440601)
CrewRating = 0.80
#endif
#if between(19440602,date,19450101)
CrewRating = 0.85
#endif
#if between(19450102,date,19450501)
CrewRating = 0.92
#endif
#if between(19450502,date,19460101)
CrewRating = 1.00
#endif



;; Begin radar----------

#if between(19400615,date,19421001)
[SENSOR2]
Type = RADAR
System = RadarGB_ASVII
#endif

#if between(19421002,date,19440901)
[SENSOR2]
Type = RADAR
System = RadarGB_ASVIII
#endif

#if between(19440902,date,19460101)
[SENSOR2]
Type = RADAR
System = RadarGB_ASVIV
#endif


;; End Radar----------------


[WEAPON1]
Type = TURRET
Node = MG1,MG2,MG3,MG4
System = Gun20mm
ElevRange = 0,0
TravRange1 = 0,0,0


[WEAPON2]
Type = TURRET
Node = MG11
System = Gun30Cal
ElevRange = -2,50
TravRange1 = 180,145,-145

;------------ 2x250lb/1 torp / 2DCs / (rockets)

[WEAPON3]
Type = TORPEDO
Node = Torp
System = AirTorpedo
ElevRange = 0,0
TravRange1 = 0,0,0
AmmoType1 = TorpedoGB_MkXII
MagazineCount1 = 1
#if between(19390101,date,19400401)
CrewRating = 0.10
#endif
#if between(19400402,date,19400615)
CrewRating = 0.20
#endif
#if between(19400616,date,19420401)
CrewRating = 0.35
#endif
#if between(19420402,date,19421201)
CrewRating = 0.40
#endif
#if between(19421202,date,19430101)
CrewRating = 0.50
#endif
#if between(19430102,date,19430501)
CrewRating = 0.60
#endif
#if between(19430502,date,19430801)
CrewRating = 0.65
#endif
#if between(19430802,date,19430901)
CrewRating = 0.70
#endif
#if between(19430902,date,19440401)
CrewRating = 0.75
#endif
#if between(19440402,date,19440501)
CrewRating = 0.80
#endif
#if between(19440502,date,19450101)
CrewRating = 0.85
#endif
#if between(19450102,date,19450501)
CrewRating = 0.92
#endif
#if between(19450502,date,19460101)
CrewRating = 1.00
#endif

[WEAPON4]
Type = BOMB
Node = Torp
System = Bomb
ElevRange = 0,0
TravRange1 = 0,0,0
AmmoType1 = Bomb250lb
MagazineCount1 = 4
#if between(19390101,date,19400401)
CrewRating = 0.10
#endif
#if between(19400402,date,19400615)
CrewRating = 0.20
#endif
#if between(19400616,date,19420401)
CrewRating = 0.35
#endif
#if between(19420402,date,19421201)
CrewRating = 0.40
#endif
#if between(19421202,date,19430101)
CrewRating = 0.50
#endif
#if between(19430102,date,19430501)
CrewRating = 0.60
#endif
#if between(19430502,date,19430801)
CrewRating = 0.65
#endif
#if between(19430802,date,19430901)
CrewRating = 0.70
#endif
#if between(19430902,date,19440401)
CrewRating = 0.75
#endif
#if between(19440402,date,19440501)
CrewRating = 0.80
#endif
#if between(19440502,date,19450101)
CrewRating = 0.85
#endif
#if between(19450102,date,19450501)
CrewRating = 0.92
#endif
#if between(19450502,date,19460101)
CrewRating = 1.00
#endif

[Bruno Lotse]

Vickers Wellington

;; Vickers Wellington.UDF - Unit descriptor file for Mitsubishi G4M1/2 "Betty" bomber

[UNIT]
Category = AIRCRAFT
Type = Bomber
Class = Vickers Wellington
Model = ADBG4MBetty
Origin = England
Date = 3901
Crew = 6
UpdatesPerSecond = 40
ExemptFromSilliness = TRUE
Preprocess = TRUE

[AIRFRAME]
Mass = 6800

[MANEUVER]
System = Maneuver
YawRate = 6 ; degrees per second
PitchRate = 6 ; degrees per second
RollRate = 6 ; degrees per second

[PROPULSION]
Type = PROPELLOR
System = Propulsion
Speed = 221 ; NMPH Max, 169 cruising
Range = 1911 ;NM
FuelCapacity = 100

[SENSOR1]
Type = LOOKOUT
System = Lookout
#if between(19390101,date,19400401)
CrewRating = 0.10
#endif
#if between(19400402,date,19400915)
CrewRating = 0.20
#endif
#if between(19400916,date,19410601)
CrewRating = 0.35
#endif
#if between(19410602,date,19420401)
CrewRating = 0.40
#endif
#if between(19420402,date,19430101)
CrewRating = 0.50
#endif
#if between(19430102,date,19430501)
CrewRating = 0.60
#endif
#if between(19430502,date,19430801)
CrewRating = 0.65
#endif
#if between(19430802,date,19430901)
CrewRating = 0.70
#endif
#if between(19430902,date,19440401)
CrewRating = 0.75
#endif
#if between(19440402,date,19440601)
CrewRating = 0.80
#endif
#if between(19440602,date,19450101)
CrewRating = 0.85
#endif
#if between(19450102,date,19450501)
CrewRating = 0.92
#endif
#if between(19450502,date,19460101)
CrewRating = 1.00
#endif


#if between(19421112,date,19460101)
[SENSOR2]
Type = RADAR
System = RadarJP_TypeH6
#endif

[WEAPON1]
Type = TURRET
Node = AA1 ; dorsal
ElevRange = 0,80
TravRange1 = 180,0,0
#if between(19390101,date,19430101)
System = Gun7_7mm
#endif
#if between(19430102,date,19460101)
System = Gun20mm
#endif

[WEAPON2]
Type = TURRET
Node = MG1,MG2 ;nose
System = Gun7_7mm
ElevRange = -80,80
TravRange1 = 0,-60,60
#if between(19390101,date,19440601)
System = Gun7_7mm
#endif
#if between(19440602,date,19460101)
System = Gun13mm
#endif

[WEAPON3]
Type = TURRET
Node = MG3 ;left
ElevRange = -50,60
TravRange1 = -90,20,-160
#if between(19390101,date,19440101)
System = Gun7_7mm
#endif
#if between(19440102,date,19460101)
System = Gun20mm
#endif

[WEAPON4]
Type = TURRET
Node = MG4 ;right
ElevRange = -50,60
TravRange1 = 90,20,160
#if between(19390101,date,19440101)
System = Gun7_7mm
#endif
#if between(19440102,date,19460101)
System = Gun20mm
#endif

[WEAPON5]
Type = TURRET
Node = MG5 ; tail
ElevRange = -60,60
TravRange1 = 180,-120,120
System = Gun20mm

;---------- 1x250,6x60 / 4x250kg / 1 torp / DCs (800/1000kg max)

[WEAPON7]
Type = BOMB
Node = Bomb1
System = Bomb
ElevRange = 0,0
TravRange1 = 0,0,0
AmmoType1 = BombJP_250kg
#if between(19390101,date,19440101)
MagazineCount1 = 1
#endif
#if between(19440102,date,19460101)
MagazineCount1 = 4
#endif
#if between(19390101,date,19400401)
CrewRating = 0.10
#endif
#if between(19400402,date,19400615)
CrewRating = 0.20
#endif
#if between(19400616,date,19420401)
CrewRating = 0.35
#endif
#if between(19420402,date,19421201)
CrewRating = 0.40
#endif
#if between(19421202,date,19430101)
CrewRating = 0.50
#endif
#if between(19430102,date,19430501)
CrewRating = 0.60
#endif
#if between(19430502,date,19430801)
CrewRating = 0.65
#endif
#if between(19430802,date,19430901)
CrewRating = 0.70
#endif
#if between(19430902,date,19440401)
CrewRating = 0.75
#endif
#if between(19440402,date,19440501)
CrewRating = 0.80
#endif
#if between(19440502,date,19450101)
CrewRating = 0.85
#endif
#if between(19450102,date,19450501)
CrewRating = 0.92
#endif
#if between(19450502,date,19460101)
CrewRating = 1.00
#endif




#if between(19390101,date,19440101)
[WEAPON8]
Type = BOMB
Node = Bomb1
System = bomb
ElevRange = 0,0
TravRange1 = 0,0,0
AmmoType1 = Bomb60kg
MagazineCount1 = 6
#if between(19390101,date,19400401)
CrewRating = 0.10
#endif
#if between(19400402,date,19400615)
CrewRating = 0.20
#endif
#if between(19400616,date,19420401)
CrewRating = 0.35
#endif
#if between(19420402,date,19421201)
CrewRating = 0.40
#endif
#if between(19421202,date,19430101)
CrewRating = 0.50
#endif
#if between(19430102,date,19430501)
CrewRating = 0.60
#endif
#if between(19430502,date,19430801)
CrewRating = 0.65
#endif
#if between(19430802,date,19430901)
CrewRating = 0.70
#endif
#if between(19430902,date,19440401)
CrewRating = 0.75
#endif
#if between(19440402,date,19440501)
CrewRating = 0.80
#endif
#if between(19440502,date,19450101)
CrewRating = 0.85
#endif
#if between(19450102,date,19450501)
CrewRating = 0.92
#endif
#if between(19450502,date,19460101)
CrewRating = 1.00
#endif
#endif

[WEAPON9]
Type = TORPEDO
Node = Bomb1
System = AirTorpedo
ElevRange = 0,0
TravRange1 = 0,0,0
AmmoType1 = TorpedoJP_type91m2
MagazineCount1 = 1
#if between(19390101,date,19400401)
CrewRating = 0.10
#endif
#if between(19400402,date,19400615)
CrewRating = 0.20
#endif
#if between(19400616,date,19420401)
CrewRating = 0.35
#endif
#if between(19420402,date,19421201)
CrewRating = 0.40
#endif
#if between(19421202,date,19430101)
CrewRating = 0.50
#endif
#if between(19430102,date,19430501)
CrewRating = 0.60
#endif
#if between(19430502,date,19430801)
CrewRating = 0.65
#endif
#if between(19430802,date,19430901)
CrewRating = 0.70
#endif
#if between(19430902,date,19440401)
CrewRating = 0.75
#endif
#if between(19440402,date,19440501)
CrewRating = 0.80
#endif
#if between(19440502,date,19450101)
CrewRating = 0.85
#endif
#if between(19450102,date,19450501)
CrewRating = 0.92
#endif
#if between(19450502,date,19460101)
CrewRating = 1.00
#endif


[WEAPON10]
Type = DEPTHCHARGE
Node = Bomb1
System = AirDepthCharge
TravRange1 = 0,0,0
#if between(19390101,date,19421231)
AmmoType1 = DepthChargeJP_60kg
MagazineSize1 = 12
#endif
#if between(19430101,date,19440601)
AmmoType1 = DepthChargeJP_250kg
MagazineSize1 = 4
#endif
#if between(19440602,date,19460101)
AmmoType1 = DepthChargeJP_Type1
MagazineSize1 = 4
#endif
#if between(19390101,date,19400401)
CrewRating = 0.10
#endif
#if between(19400402,date,19400615)
CrewRating = 0.20
#endif
#if between(19400616,date,19420401)
CrewRating = 0.35
#endif
#if between(19420402,date,19421201)
CrewRating = 0.40
#endif
#if between(19421202,date,19430101)
CrewRating = 0.50
#endif
#if between(19430102,date,19430501)
CrewRating = 0.60
#endif
#if between(19430502,date,19430801)
CrewRating = 0.65
#endif
#if between(19430802,date,19430901)
CrewRating = 0.70
#endif
#if between(19430902,date,19440401)
CrewRating = 0.75
#endif
#if between(19440402,date,19440501)
CrewRating = 0.80
#endif
#if between(19440502,date,19450101)
CrewRating = 0.85
#endif
#if between(19450102,date,19450501)
CrewRating = 0.92
#endif
#if between(19450502,date,19460101)
CrewRating = 1.00
#endif

[Bruno Lotse]

OK. We've got Scua. But we also should have Fairly Fulmar which became the staple air carrier fighter-bomber since late 1940, and definitely we need Barracuda. They were late for Midter, yet they were used to attack KMS Tirpitz. :yep:

[horsa]

NDDA
NDDCampbell
NDDG
NDDO
NDDOnslow
NDDTribal
NDDVW
NDEHunt1

I have a set of repaints of British DDs and escorts , but they are general purpose camoes rather than an attempt at authentic patterns for the Med.

http://www.amberphotography.co.uk/navalsite/Pages/DC_SH2/DC/British_ships.htm


There is also a repaint of Upholder.

[JapLance]

If you will complete the NBBQElizabeth...

Queen Elizabeth is ready, you can find her above in this same thread.

This how the Southampton is now in my HD.

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/9931/southampton0oa.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I still need to tweak the damaged texture. Apart from that, it's ready.

Bruno, massive research I guess to make those UDF's. Great work :up: . Glowworm TB looks excellent. Here is a pic of it:

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/9172/t245vn.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Bruno Lotse]

@JapLance
On my machine your Southampton looks too brownish. My take is her colors should be more like gray, light blue, dark blue (navy). Southamptons (take HMS Sheffield for instance or HMS Manchester) were heavily used as escorts for capital ships. Now take your Southampton and counter impose her against QE. They will immediately loose their camo - brown rock on the blue and white backdrop of QE. Camo should hide, confuse, not expose.You know what I mean? I thinks this photo is more realistic in terms of color schema used for Town class light cruisers. This is HMS Belfast which is of the same parent Town class as Southampton. What do you think?
http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/7430/HMSBelfast.th.jpg (http://img388.imageshack.us/my.php?image=HMSBelfast.jpg)

[GlowwormGuy]

If you guys can wait about 3 hours I'll be posting the new camo for the TB 1935 as well as the reskin model of the British early war subs Clyde/Narwhal class.

It's also probably a good idea to take note of when these camo schemes were applied. We could probably have a single UDF but with models (and their applied camo schemes) that change throughout the war. That would really be cool.

Hmmm... we seem to have 'hijacked' the thread for repaints! Not that I'm complaining :rock: :rock: :rock:

:up:
Mountbatten

[GlowwormGuy]

BTW Bruno thanks for posting the UDFs for the Brit aircraft - I like the idea of using the Betty as a Welly and as soon as I'm done with your Mowe I'll see if I can get a few of those in the game.

Best wishes,
Mountbatten

[GlowwormGuy]

The patrol boats above...

http://img460.imageshack.us/img460/6379/19352color5zp.th.jpg (http://img460.imageshack.us/my.php?image=19352color5zp.jpg)

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/3084/19353color5tk.th.jpg (http://img380.imageshack.us/my.php?image=19353color5tk.jpg)

Kriegsmarine T1935 patrol boats.

and the subs below...

http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/3892/britriverclasssub4vs.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Early British submarines of the Clyde and Narwhal classes.

Links:

T1395
http://www.momoshare.com/file.php?file=76e3e516ea3c2dfe9c12345d3e1a9055

RiverSub
http://www.momoshare.com/file.php?file=8e176befcb96400f8d61b1f1252b5905

Enjoy,
Mountbatten

[JapLance]

@JapLance
On my machine your Southampton looks too brownish. My take is her colors should be more like gray, light blue, dark blue (navy). Southamptons (take HMS Sheffield for instance or HMS Manchester) were heavily used as escorts for capital ships. Now take your Southampton and counter impose her against QE. They will immediately loose their camo - brown rock on the blue and white backdrop of QE. Camo should hide, confuse, not expose.You know what I mean? I thinks this photo is more realistic in terms of color schema used for Town class light cruisers. This is HMS Belfast which is of the same parent Town class as Southampton. What do you think?
http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/7430/HMSBelfast.th.jpg (http://img388.imageshack.us/my.php?image=HMSBelfast.jpg)

I just used a profile I found somewhere in Google, but it didn't have a description of where and when it was used.

This is the image:

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/5740/southampton4ak.th.jpg (http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?image=southampton4ak.jpg)

Gloworm I can't get momoshare to work, I get a download button, but as I click on it just takes me to the main page, with no download. Could you send them to me by mail?.

[GlowwormGuy]

Hold up here's a quick mirror!

http://rapidshare.de/files/16614808/BritRiverClassSub.zip.html

http://rapidshare.de/files/16614826/GerTB1935.zip.html

Hope this works better. If not PM me your email address :yep:

Enjoy!
Mountbatten

[JapLance]

Cheers mate, that worked perfect :up:.

[Bruno Lotse]

@Mountbatten
These are UDFs which I used when I had machine to run SH2/DC. Those Wellies would fly all the way to Willemshafen and harass my Lochs boat fleet. Actually it did happen. I read about it in Denitz book. On the other side of the story Wellies suffered badly from Luftwaffe. This is the Fleet Air Arm archive where you can find info on the planes used by the Fleet Arm. Wellies are there
http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/Aircraft/Aircraftindex.htm

BTW, I love your camos. I can hardly see your ships on the pictured provided by JapLance. They are blended with the colors of the sea (or is it my video card?) That's the whole idea of war paint - hide and confuse.
Re: It's also probably a good idea to take note of when these camo schemes were applied. We could probably have a single UDF but with models (and their applied camo schemes) that change throughout the war. That would really be cool.
Very cool. One paint for HMS Southampton, another for HMS Sheffield or HMS Manchester and you can tell which ship is which just looking at their colors.

@JapLance
OK, I see. Perhaps I am biased. I just love the paint on HMS Belfast. With this kind of paint I understand how those ships like HMS Sheffield were used to escort capital ships. From distance camos of those ships would match up and you will get an effect of herd of zebras - you cannot distinguish individual animals. Hide or confuse. :hmm:

[Bruno Lotse]

Painter's Guide To WW2 Naval Camo

Guys, get this book NOW!!!


http://rapidshare.de/files/16636478/Painters.Guide.to.WW2.Naval.camo.zip.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/16639552/Painters.Guide.to.WW2.Naval.camo.z02.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/16641992/Painters.Guide.to.WW2.Naval.camo.z03.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/16644600/Painters.Guide.to.WW2.Naval.camo.z01.html

[willi]

- Bruno
A long time ago we tried to realize a special mod to illustrate the game actions of the Italian assault team (Xa Mas).
Among the anticipated missions there was also the forcement of the harbor of Alessandria.
Unfortunately, problems risen in the use of the units employees (Maiali-Carriots) and the shortage of authors prepared to work in the project, has induced us to abdicate.
We will draw profit from your file of transformation of the Beaufigter in Blenheim. This aircraft is more proper for to represent the events of the first period of the conflict in the Mediterranean theatre.

- JapLance
The new QElizabeth is very beautiful ! We will use it to the place of the original one.

- Horsa
With your permission we will insert in the mod the destroyers that you have painted, that I have already unloaded from your site.

Thanks to everybody!

[GlowwormGuy]

Glad you like it Bruno! Hope I can do as well with the aircraft and Mowe.

Best wishes,
Mountbatten

[GlowwormGuy]

Hi Willi,

As a matter of fact I've been working on missions based on Operation Source, the British X-Craft attack on the Tirpitz. My tests have heretofore been very very successful. I think it would be nice to play the sub commander initially from your home base to the jump off point then the mission ends and a new mission starts placing you in charge of the midget sub. I don't see why it can't be possible to do a human torpedo mission, though you perhaps could concoct either an escape attempt or have the next mission when Italy has surrendered and you are now fighting on the Allied side. Or perhaps you could steal a fast boat and try to escape to Axis territory like Bengazi...

Here's hoping!
Mountbatten

[JapLance]

Does anybody have Canarb's SLC stuff?. I sent him a PM two weeks ago asking for a few things that were once available in his old site, but seems like he is not around here anymore, I got no answer.

[Bruno Lotse]

Do you mean a sub hunter like US PC or Soviet BO 122?

[JapLance]

SLC means Siluri Lenta Corsa (slow-moving torpedo), the Italian Human Torpedo. Canarb had it done in his old site:

http://digilander.libero.it/canarb/games/sh2/download/slc.htm

but links are dead. Wondered if someone would have this and some other files from that site.

[Bruno Lotse]

Ah! majale! 'pigs' The most successful human controlled torpedo in WW2. No kaitenz, please. I see. They should be in Alfa Tau, aren't they?
Otherwise they should be somewhere on my HD. I will have a look. But check Alfa Tau as well.

[willi]

@ Mountbatten
What I has affirmed in one of my preceding post, has been
me reported from the person that in the past time worked
to the project "Italian assault team" (X Mas).
Unfortunately this person is not more available to work to
this idea.
I am too hocked in orde to complete the mod Mare
Nostrum-Our Sea in the good possible way.
I am not able to interest me in this old project.
In every way I recognize to be it very interesting.
Sorry...


@ JapLance
I have reported of your vain search of the model SLC to
the our technician Canarb and I hope that he give me
indications to help you to unload it.

[horsa]

- Horsa
With your permission we will insert in the mod the destroyers that you have painted, that I have already unloaded from your site.

No problem. I'd be honoured. :D

@Japlance
I did a QE repaint about two years ago which I was quite pleased with, but I must say you've raised the bar on this one. Your repaint is beautiful.

@Jap,Glow,Bruno
You can sense the buzz between you three - great to see DC rocking again :rock: :rock:

@willi
Looking forward to your Mare Nostrum release. I hope it's soon. It should be quite an event

[JapLance]

@ JapLance
I have reported of your vain search of the model SLC to the our technical Canarb and I hope that he give me indications to help you to unload it.

Grazie mille, willi. Glad to hear that Canarb is still on board this ship :up:. Can't wait for the Mare Nostrum Mod.

@Japlance
I did a QE repaint about two years ago which I was quite pleased with, but I must say you've raised the bar on this one. Your repaint is beautiful.

Thanks a lot for the compliments, but as I said before, I just make a simple copy&paste job from very good graphics. My skills in PaintShop Pro are just basic.

I'll give a try to a Southampton in Belfast colours, as Bruno suggested. You will probably notice a massive difference in quality :lol:.

[Bruno Lotse]

@JapLance
I've posted links to Guide on WW2 naval camo. There're camo schema for both HMS Southampton and Sheffield. :rock:
Well. there's also Mountbatten pink :rotfl:

[Bruno Lotse]

@horsa
Please, get your repaint on board. We need HMS Warspite, Bartham, or Malaya, or Valiant. Like Mountbatten once said - it's so cool when you see those BBs together but in different camo. It would be very realistic. :rock:

[GlowwormGuy]

@ Mountbatten
What I has affirmed in one of my preceding post, has been
me reported from the person that in the past time worked
to the project "Italian assault team" (X Mas).
Unfortunately this person is not more available to work to
this idea.
I am too hocked in orde to complete the mod Mare
Nostrum-Our Sea in the good possible way.
I am not able to interest me in this old project.
In every way I recognize to be it very interesting.
Sorry...


No problemo Willi, after this very busy weekend I'll have a bit more time, and if you'd like I'll try my hand at making the mission myself. If you could point me in the right direction via some information, mission logs, data, etc. Particularly maps of the actual attack (ship positions, harbor layout etc.) The models have of course been tested and work right? As they said in Jaws, "I'll catch yer shark fer ya!"

Mountbatten

[willi]

Mr. Canarb says that he will try to insert again the reworked SLC/maiale/chariot in his own site within next week.
We hope. (Sperèm)
:D :lol:

@Mountbatten
I will look for the necessary information on the books to my disposition.

[JapLance]

Mr. Canarb says that he will try to insert again the reworked SLC/maiale/chariot in his own site within next week.
We hope. (Sperèm)

Great, thanks a lot, willi.

[willi]

In this Italian site, you can find a synthetic relationship of the facts in English language and some photos.
I have also found relationship more detailed and a map of the action.
I will send they as soon as possible.

http://www.regiamarina.net/index_it.htm
(To clik on Site Index and Alexandria)

[willi]

By Canarb
Here the address: ( saves object with name )
;)


SLC+mission: http://canarb.altervista.org/mod/units/X%20MAS_v01.exe

Damage room: http://canarb.altervista.org/mod/units/SLC_damage.exe

Gouces: http://canarb.altervista.org/mod/units/SLC_gauces.exe

[JapLance]

Thanks Willi.

I've just checked the models of Sciree and SLC, and they work fine. Didn't want to mess with the damage rooms and other graphics, so I use the standard SH2 screens.

Mission1 also works fine, but in Mission2 I've seen strange things in Alexandria. There were an Italian light cruiser and a Ocean Liner beached next to the entrance of the harbour (blocking ships?, maybe they are simulating nets?), and the harbour itself seems to be in the wrong place (this is a SH2 base.ini mistake I think, it can be easily corrected).

Here is a nice map of the attack, with ship positions. It could be useful to make a more accurate mission.

http://www.wlb-stuttgart.de/seekrieg/4112-bilder/alexandria.jpg

[willi]

@JapLance
Here is an answer to your questions.
http://forum.maricosom.net/viewtopic.php?p=5084#5084

@Mountbatten
The map of Alexandria published by JapLance is almost equal to mine.

[GlowwormGuy]

Indeed! I'll see what I can do. Just got back from my busy weekend but I'll give it a go.

Mountbatten

[willi]

Indeed! I'll see what I can do. Just got back from my busy weekend but I'll give it a go.

Mountbatten


I have sent you in e-mail a relationship regarding the events of Alexandria 19/12/1941.
Hi
Willi

:up:

[JapLance]

Here's a snapshot of the Southamptons in my HD: Sergbuto's version, Belfast-like version and my previous Southampton:

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/9822/southamptons8ut.th.jpg (http://img299.imageshack.us/my.php?image=southamptons8ut.jpg)

Lovely ships and model indeed :up: .

When I have some spare time I'll pack the new ones into an ace file (been a bit busy lately).

[Bruno Lotse]

Lovely! Let me guess. These are HMS Southampton, Shefield, and Manchesterhttp://scosoft.com/s/Action/5f7de8e2.gif

[willi]

Beautiful!
Difficulty to choose...

:yep:

[GlowwormGuy]

Thanks for the sites Willi and JapLance. Now all I need is a listing of the ships in the harbor and we're good to go. So far all we have to go on are the Norse tanker Sagona, the British Queen Elizabeth and Valiant of course, the cruiser Euryalus and the DD Jervis (K class, please, please, please, please!) as well as the decommed French BB Lorraine. I can fix up a harbor setup with the map you provided (though a larger map of Alex at the time would help too).

Problem though - I'm running SH2 with Project Messerwetzer now and again I cannot get the SLC to run in SH2. It appears fine in DC but there seems to be something wrong with it in SH2. Could it be a matter of textures or something in the model? It's not the UDF file definitely. Are there other textures I need to install?

As for the Mountbatten yards, I'm still working on several versions of the 1923 torpedo boat before moving on to other stuff.

Nice work on the Southamptons. I don't see why we can't have all of them ;)

By the way, Bruno, would you have any info as to general schemes for RN warships by time period and theater? Like the Western Approaches would be different from the Med which would be different from Scapa Flow.

Cheers,
Mountbatten

[Bruno Lotse]

@Mountbatten
Have you tried this book?


http://rapidshare.de/files/16636478/Painters.Guide.to.WW2.Naval.camo.zip.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/16639552/Painters.Guide.to.WW2.Naval.camo.z02.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/16641992/Painters.Guide.to.WW2.Naval.camo.z03.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/16644600/Painters.Guide.to.WW2.Naval.camo.z01.html

Good place to start. There are a short article on RN camo schema used in various periods of WW2 in in various theaters.
Well. there is also schema called
Mountbatten pink :rotfl:
No kidding...

[Bruno Lotse]

Problem though - I'm running SH2 with Project Messerwetzer now and again I cannot get the SLC to run in SH2.
Mod Alfa Tau has Italian midgit subs. I guess it would be fun to visit Alexandria aboard of one of those small but deadly beauties. Plus when you riding majale the only outcome is surrender, when you are in a midgit sub you can escape having your nasty work done:hmm:


Nice work on the Southamptons. I don't see why we can't have all of them ;)
I do agree. Southampton, Shefield, Manchester. All of them were there. Southampton and Manchester are still there...

Nice picture of HMS Glasgow (yet another Town class)
http://uboat.net/allies/warships/ship/1229.html

[GlowwormGuy]

Hopefully we can - I need to get the SLC to work first! The file I'm using is the one posted here last week.

Mountbatten

[JapLance]

I didn't find problems to run the SLC, apart from being painfully slooooow :D .

[JapLance]

The link for the Southampton repaint:

Southampton repaint (http://www.terra.es/personal2/971726567/DC/RepaintSouthampton.ace)

[GlowwormGuy]

It's very very strange as the SLC appears fine in Destroyer Command. Are there any additional files besides the ones posted that will be needed to run it? I really don't know what's up - as I said, I'm running it on SH2 with Project Messerwetzer (but not Alfa Tau or Pacific Aces or anything like that installed.)

Mountbatten

[JapLance]

It's very very strange as the SLC appears fine in Destroyer Command. Are there any additional files besides the ones posted that will be needed to run it? I really don't know what's up - as I said, I'm running it on SH2 with Project Messerwetzer (but not Alfa Tau or Pacific Aces or anything like that installed.)

Mountbatten

I use it in SH2, but only the model+associated UDF, not the rest of TGA's for gauges and damage room. Can't help you anymore, as my SH2 is a mess of added mods.

What I usually do to install anything is to extract it to a temporary folder, and manually move the files to the required folders. I added Alfa Tau ships this way, and now the Maiale, without problems.

[GlowwormGuy]

Alright will try it again though I do fear there may be a problem somewhere with my install and the model. Will try and post the error message hopefully it sheds some light on it.

Many thanks,
Mountbatten

[GlowwormGuy]

Okay here's the weird thing - the SLC works 'in game' and in the viewer but when I try and look at it in the preview window in SH2 that's what crashes the game. Otherwise working fine! The thing is, the UDF of the SLC (with appropriate modification) apparently has, surprisingly, also solved the problem of the Japanese midget sub. While I'm not complaining I'm really weirded out about the relationship of model and udf to the in game behavior of the ships. Right now I've got a nice little midget fleet - the British X Craft (using the German mini-sub model), the Italian SLC and CB (CB does not seem to want to run in game either, it gives me a Unit Error message), Japanese Midget Sub and of course the German vessels. Strange thing is when I used the X-Craft UDF (with appropriate modification) with the IJN Midget it would very easily roll over - even underwater - and when it oscillated too far the game would crash. Now - same model but with SLC UDF - the problem seems to have vanished! Strange, strange, strange (but then I'm not complaining - it works!)

Thanks very much to Willi, Canarb and the amazing Italian shipyards!

Mountbatten

[willi]

On my computer the small sub "CB" works correctly, also in the preview window (SH2 game).
Nevertheless it is not possible to get a satisfactory enlargement of the image in the menù F12.

The appearance of the model in the preview window can depend on the presence or less of the same model in the database "UnitsIt.db."

I have found an interesting image - map of the harbor of Alexandria.
I will send it as soon as possible.
I believe that there is a problem to carry out the model of harbor of Alexandria that it resembles to the original one.

[GlowwormGuy]

The map actually has the physical parts of the coastline of 'Alex' modelled pretty well - that half-moon curve is there all that is needed is a long breakwater. I'll see what I can do about that. Perhaps another thing that you chaps could look into would be some 'facilities' and stuff to give 'atmosphere' to the map. You have my 'bases' mod right? I've been able to cobble together accurate layouts for Dunkirk, Malta and if I can find a map of Alex I can do that too. Of course it just uses the stock stuff. By the way would you have available a set of those Italian ports - just the ports - so I can incorporate your superb (may I say superior?) designs in the bases set? If bases can't be DL'd I'll repost for everyone's benefit.

Best wishes,
Mountbatten

[willi]

@ Mountbatten
I have sent you the image - map of Alexandria harbour.

I have asked to Canarb and Scorpio for the set of Italian harbors, that once was available for the download.

If you are able, send me your set of "bases", or at least those Mediterraneans, to insert them in the mod "Mare Nostrum"

:D

[JapLance]

Here's another British cruiser repaint based on Bruno's images: the Arethusa

http://img421.imageshack.us/img421/1576/arethusa1fp.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Repaint Arethusa (http://www.terra.es/personal2/971726567/DC/RepaintArethusa.ace)

I don't have as much free time as before to hex-edit it, so it just replaces the original model (make a back-up before overwriting, just in case).

[GlowwormGuy]

Get now, get em while they're hot fressssshh hot cross Torpedoboats! (They're probably cross at the Limeys hehehe)

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/4976/tb1923mowe0uu.th.jpg (http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tb1923mowe0uu.jpg)

http://www.zshare.net/download/gertbgreif-zip.html

http://www.zshare.net/download/gertbjaguar-zip.html

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/3300/germantbsmowefalkeandkondor7az.th.jpg (http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=germantbsmowefalkeandkondor7az.jpg)

http://www.zshare.net/download/gertbmowe-zip.html

http://www.zshare.net/download/gertbtiger-zip.html

Hope you guys like these. The way they should eventually work out is that they start off with this camo 1920's-1939, then change camo (model) throughout the war. Hopefully will be able to do some camo repaints.

Enjoy,
Mountbatten

[JapLance]

Hi Glowworm, this model gives me a Janus error: NTB1923SCW, all the rest work fine :up: .

[GlowwormGuy]

Ah okay, well the SCW is actually not working that well - it was supposed to have the tricolor bars on the turret but because of the lousy way the textures have been set up, the ship looks like a barber pole so I had to just remove them. Just ignore the ship I guess.

Mountbatten

[JapLance]

Well, this is a bit off topic, but I don't think it is enough to open a new thread.

I'm into a new repaint, but it's not a Mediterranean one, but for the Pacific theatre, The Atlanta-class cruiser USS San Diego:

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/38/sandiego7fb.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I saw a model online (http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery/cl/cl-53/350-db/db-main.html) and loved these blueish colours :sunny: .

And in another direction, I've removed turret number 3 from the Fiji model, and I'd love to be able to change it for another 4in turret to make a Swiftsure-class cruiser or a late Fiji, but I think I'll need assistance because my hex-editing is too basic.

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/5134/swiftsure8aw.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Both are WIP, and I'm not sure when they will be finished (in the Swiftsure model I'm not even sure if it will ever be finished :-? ), but as soon as they are I'll post a link :yep: .

[GlowwormGuy]

No problem at all! Reminds me I should post my M-Boot here too.

Mountbatten

[GlowwormGuy]

The German M Boot (Minensuchboot) - Escort Mine Boat

http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/2678/mbootnight1jq.th.jpg (http://img236.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mbootnight1jq.jpg)

http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/3057/mbootside3rv.th.jpg (http://img77.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mbootside3rv.jpg)

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/9200/mbootsunset8ac.th.jpg (http://img54.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mbootsunset8ac.jpg)


http://rapidshare.de/files/19816765/Minensuchboote.zip.html

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/1985/justatypicalnightforanmboot9he.th.jpg (http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=justatypicalnightforanmboot9he.jpg)

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/9600/mbootnightaction9th.th.jpg (http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mbootnightaction9th.jpg)

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/1133/theendofanmboot9dr.th.jpg (http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=theendofanmboot9dr.jpg)


Enjoy,
Mountbatten

[PL_David]

Good job! :up:
I'm new user of this forum. Hi all!
These are vessels what I done with PL_Szczur from Sea Devils clan.
German Destroyer - Wolf
http://seadevils.home.pl/pub/okrety/wolf.jpg
http://seadevils.home.pl/pub/okrety/wolf1.jpg
And Soviet Escort - Yastrieb
http://seadevils.home.pl/pub/okrety/yast1.jpg
http://seadevils.home.pl/pub/okrety/yast2.jpg
http://seadevils.home.pl/pub/okrety/yast3.jpg
http://seadevils.home.pl/pub/okrety/yast4.jpg
[/img]

[Werewolf]

Erhm.....been away for a while, where can I download some of these wonderful ships? When I try the minensuchboote I get a janus screenblanker :cry: In my opinion this game needs some more playable German ships

[GlowwormGuy]

Hi Werewolf!

Yeah that's the problem with R@pidsh@re it deletes stuff after 90 days or so. Give me till the weekend I'll reup the Minensuchboote. And yeah, this game needs more ships!

Fair winds and a following sea!
Mountbatten

[C.te Simone]

about the italian units, i'm working to create the damage room:

Vittorio Veneto
http://utenti.lycos.it/simonart/ty23/pre11.jpg

Duilio
http://utenti.lycos.it/simonart/ty23/pre2.jpg

Trento
http://utenti.lycos.it/simonart/ty23/pre3.jpg

Capitani Romani
http://utenti.lycos.it/simonart/ty23/pre4.jpg

Gabbiano
http://utenti.lycos.it/simonart/ty23/pre5.jpg

[Werewolf]

Sorry for replying so late, usually I get a message when somebody is replying in the threads that I follow, but I gorgot that I have changed my e-mail adress during this year :rotfl:

@Glowworm: Thank you :D And by the way, I have gone through all of this post and seen that the excellent gabbiano was repainted as a German torpedoboot, what happened to that one?

@Simone: WOW!!!!!! :rock: that looks beautiful! is that all a part of the mare nostrum mod? A lot of things have happened while I was away.....good things :D :yep:

[GlowwormGuy]

Wow! Those look great... and a Capitaine Romani too? I'm looking forward to seeing that quite eagerly...

And Werewolf...

Since floppies went out of fashion it's been very hard to transfer files. My computer at home isn't connected to the net so everything must go in a roundabout fashion - coming in via burned CD and going out either by CD or by floppy. I'm backing up my files and I'll bring the CD to a place I can upload the Minensuchboote.

Yeah I decided to use the Gabbiano as the spunky little Vorpostenboote in as much as our brilliant Italian bretheren of the sea have made a greatly superior model. A shame to let a model go to waste. I haven't repainted it though and I've been terribly busy at work to get into repainting it. Ah, if only the stack could be made longer and thinner... there really should be a generic 'trawler' model.

What I'll do is post it to zshare (hopefully my zshare files are still up?) and y'all can download them.

Thanks for the encouragement Werewolf!


Mountbatten

[Werewolf]

@Glowworm:

Since floppies went out of fashion it's been very hard to transfer files.


:lol: I see the problem, glad to see I am not the only one

A shame to let a model go to waste.

Indeed it is! :yep: And all of the models they have made are superior, I wish that all of you had been behind DC from the beginning! :arrgh!:

What I'll do is post it to zshare (hopefully my zshare files are still up?) and y'all can download them.

Thanks, that sounds great :D
And regarding the encouragement, certainly no need to thank, on the contrary it is the other way round :)

I have a question for all of you in here by the way. The observation view, how the devil does one alter that? I remember that Sergbuto, for example, made a lot of changes on the obs.view. There are so many German vessels that could be perfect if only the obs. view could be changed so that one is not standing in the middle of the super structure......or hanging in free air for that matter :damn: . And all of the remodelling for example removing a funnel and so on, how is it done? What program? I have made many experiments, but they've all failed :88) :roll:

[Werewolf]

Erhm.....sorry if this question fall out of the topic in here, but there seems to be more "life" here

Does anybody know of a link to a page with some information about ASW tactics and especially on how to calculate a drop on a DC run? There has been so much focus on manual torpedo use in both SH 2 and 3, but nobody has thought about how to make a "manual torpedo run". When focused on the escort part of destroyer command it can be a really challenging game actually :)

[GlowwormGuy]

Sorry for the delay everyone!

The Greek CA Giorgios Averoff

minensuchboote.zip - 0.47MB (http://www.zshare.net/download/minensuchboote-zip.html)

And the Minensuchboote!

minensuchboote.zip - 0.47MB (http://www.zshare.net/download/minensuchboote-zip-evx.html)

Fair winds and a following sea,
Mountbatten

[Hitman]

Does anybody know of a link to a page with some information about ASW tactics and especially on how to calculate a drop on a DC run? There has been so much focus on manual torpedo use in both SH 2 and 3, but nobody has thought about how to make a "manual torpedo run". When focused on the escort part of destroyer command it can be a really challenging game actually :)

A long time ago, there was a website owned by Hondo where you could find tutorials about SH1 and which was later expanded to DC. There were some good pages about screen tactics, but they were not specific for DC; Instead it was an account of the real life escort tactics.

There was also someone who did a LOOOOONG time a go a small tutorial-explanation on how to do manual torpedo attacks with DC, and posted it all in a topic in this forum. I don't know if it got lost in the servers move, possibly it did. Pity I did not save a copy :cry:

[The Old Man]

Glowwormguy,
I tried to download your early british norwhal class submarine to see if I could make it work with Pacific Aces but it's no longer there? I think this would work considering I once took a sub from Alfa Tau & made it work with C. B. Med. Campaign?
thank you
Roy

[GlowwormGuy]

Glowwormguy,
I tried to download your early british norwhal class submarine to see if I could make it work with Pacific Aces but it's no longer there? I think this would work considering I once took a sub from Alfa Tau & made it work with C. B. Med. Campaign?
thank you
Roy

Hi there Roy,

You may have to enlighten me a bit... I'm afraid I'm not sure about w/c sub you refer to (it has been, I confess, quite a while since I messed with subs). Is it the prewar minelayer sub class w/c included the Seal? Better yet could you let me know which page it's linked to?

Hope I can help!
Mountbatten

[Werewolf]

Sorry for the late answer, I had to cut down my signature because it was too big before I could post any further.

@Hitman:

Hmm, thanks I will see if I can find this Hondo:)

@Glowworm:

Thanks for the links :D :arrgh!:

[The Old Man]

Glowwormguy,

Early British submarines of the Clyde and Narwhal classes.

Links:

T1395
http://www.momoshare.com/file.php?fi...12345d3e1a9055 (http://www.momoshare.com/file.php?file=76e3e516ea3c2dfe9c12345d3e1a9055)

RiverSub
http://www.momoshare.com/file.php?fi...61b1f1252b5905 (http://www.momoshare.com/file.php?file=8e176befcb96400f8d61b1f1252b5905)

Enjoy,
Mountbatten

I would like to have the Narwhal version :-)
thank you
Roy

[GlowwormGuy]

Yup, found them - River and Narwhal, using the same model. Will upload as soon as I can (which is getting more dicey as my mom's office just blocked this site because it contains 'games' - sheesh!)

Just watch this space! :arrgh!:
Mountbatten

[Hitman]

@Hitman:

Hmm, thanks I will see if I can find this Hondo:)


I found it again...great web: www.valoratsea.com (http://www.valoratsea.com)

Happy browsing

[GlowwormGuy]

The UDF files:
http://www.zshare.net/download/nssukporpoiseclass-udf.html (http://www.zshare.net/download/nssukporpoiseclass-udf.html)[/URL]
[URL="http://www.zshare.net/download/nssukriverclass-udf.html"]http://www.zshare.net/download/nssukriverclass-udf.html (http://www.zshare.net/download/nssukriver-jrf-pxz.html)

------------------------------------------------------------------
And the Model...http://www.zshare.net/download/nssukriver-jrf.html (http://www.zshare.net/download/nssukriver-jrf.html)

Happy trails!
Mountbatten

[GlowwormGuy]

Well not exactly the 'real' one but my own repaint...

http://www.zshare.net/download/giorgiosaveroff-zip.html (http://www.zshare.net/download/giorgiosaveroff-zip.html)

Enjoy,
Mountbatten

[The Old Man]

Mountbatten,
Thank you :-)
Roy