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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4707354.stm
Good job, Dick :roll:
Etienne
02-12-06, 04:41 PM
Heh. As much as I don't like Dickie, **** happens...
I'm curious as to the details.
To be honest though, it's most certainly a routine kind of hunting accident - but give it a day, and people around the world will be making fun of him over this 'til there's no tomorrow :hmm:
I'm curious as to the details.
Same Here :hmm:
Skybird
02-12-06, 04:53 PM
It always hits the wrong fella.
JSLTIGER
02-12-06, 04:56 PM
Well...this may put a dent in the NRA's position.
Well...this may put a dent in the NRA's position.
Nice One :rotfl:
Kapitan
02-12-06, 05:43 PM
well done now i wonder if they will enlist him into the sniper corps
Wim Libaers
02-12-06, 05:49 PM
well done now i wonder if they will enlist him into the sniper corps
Well, considering he hit the wrong* target... :hmm:
(* the bird does not agree)
TteFAboB
02-12-06, 06:34 PM
Good game, much larger than a bird.
SUBMAN1
02-12-06, 06:58 PM
Well...this may put a dent in the NRA's position.
NRA will put it to good use - it is now obvious that the man shot didn't die - and unlike movies, people do not typically die when shot! :)
I like the movies perception that as soon as you're shot, you keel over instantly! In reality, even when mortilly wounded, you will still have full functioning of your body for at least 20 seconds unless you hit the nervous system.
An example is the Red baron himself - even though the wound that killed him completely obliterated his heart, he still not only landed his plane, but even talked to the British soldiers that ran up to it afterwards - all with no pumping heart!
-S
PS. Pheasant shot won't ever kill anyone - has 0 penetration! Buckshot is a different story.
lol I can hear it now...
"It's comming right for us!"
Blam!
Big Dick has had about 4 heart attacks and a pacemaker. What is he doing in the woods with a shotgun anyway? :nope: What a moron, as long as they don't give Bushy any guns... or sharp objects for that matter.
SUBMAN1
02-13-06, 12:14 AM
* Bort]Big Dick has had about 4 heart attacks and a pacemaker. What is he doing in the woods with a shotgun anyway? :nope: What a moron, as long as they don't give Bushy any guns... or sharp objects for that matter.
Bush is a big time Texan, and his gun collection probably makes all of ours look bad! He is totally for freedom with firearms - which is a good thing for us! There are a ton a hoplophobiacs running around these days which is why.
-S
gdogghenrikson
02-13-06, 12:33 AM
Well...this may put a dent in the NRA's position.
Nice One :rotfl:
:up:
So was it Dan Quail they were hunting?
The Avon Lady
02-13-06, 05:49 AM
So was it Dan Quail they were hunting?
A Byrd in the hand is worth 2 in the Bush.
I saw this comment on Michelle Malkin's site (http://www.michellemalkin.com/):
"I'd rather hunt with Dick Cheney than ride with Ted Kennedy."
Bill Nichols
02-13-06, 07:15 AM
CCIP, your title for this thread (Vice-President Cheney Shoots Man) is wrong. It should instead say, "...Cheney shoots lawyer".
:-j
Bush is a big time Texan, and his gun collection probably makes all of ours look bad! He is totally for freedom with firearms - which is a good thing for us!
I have no guns, so his collection is certainly better than mine. Freedom for firearms is not a good thing for us if idiots like Bush are able to have them. I belive you should have to pass some sort of rigorous "responsibility and intelligence" test to own even one gun. Bush would fail for sure.
http://www.vesera.com/quail/images/Quail%2004.jpg
The Quail had a worse time :-j
gdogghenrikson
02-14-06, 01:10 AM
* Bort]Bush is a big time Texan, and his gun collection probably makes all of ours look bad! He is totally for freedom with firearms - which is a good thing for us!
I have no guns, so his collection is certainly better than mine. Freedom for firearms is not a good thing for us if idiots like Bush are able to have them. I belive you should have to pass some sort of rigorous "responsibility and intelligence" test to own even one gun. Bush would fail for sure.
Right on Bort :up: :up:
JSLTIGER
02-14-06, 01:58 PM
:huh: The man that Cheney shot has now had a "mild heart attack" because of some birdshot that lodged in his heart. :huh:
Anybody think Cheney actually killed him and they're just going to make his condition worse and worse until he dies?
The Avon Lady
02-14-06, 02:01 PM
:huh: The man that Cheney shot has now had a "mild heart attack" because of some birdshot that lodged in his heart. :huh:
Anybody think Cheney actually killed him and they're just going to make his condition worse and worse until he dies?
Cheney shot Sharon. Pass it around...............
Type941
02-14-06, 02:18 PM
"The covey flushed and the vice-president picked out a bird and was following it and shot. And by God, Harry was in the line of fire and got peppered pretty good," she said.
We were testing this new missile, and by God, ____ [oil rich country of your choice here] was in the line of fire and got peppered pretty good'.
Idiot.
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/february2006/140206hunt.htm
Dick Cheney's Quail Hunt :rotfl: :rotfl:
I keep missing this game is a fix :yep:
* Bort]Bush is a big time Texan, and his gun collection probably makes all of ours look bad! He is totally for freedom with firearms - which is a good thing for us!
I have no guns, so his collection is certainly better than mine. Freedom for firearms is not a good thing for us if idiots like Bush are able to have them. I belive you should have to pass some sort of rigorous "responsibility and intelligence" test to own even one gun. Bush would fail for sure.
Hmmm anyone ever ask you to run for president smart guy?
Hmmm anyone ever ask you to run for president smart guy?
Not yet, but I do know a moron when I see one, and I don't want them possessing deadly weapons.
* Bort]Hmmm anyone ever ask you to run for president smart guy?
Not yet, but I do know a moron when I see one, and I don't want them possessing deadly weapons.
But how can we trust your opinion regarding your moron spotting capabilities? Should we just take your word for it or should we give you a test of some sort?
sonar732
02-14-06, 04:16 PM
* Bort]Big Dick has had about 4 heart attacks and a pacemaker. What is he doing in the woods with a shotgun anyway?
My grandfather was 80 years old, had a pacemaker and had a nice gun collection. He taught me how to shoot and the "common" rules for firing a gun. Even though I'm a Republican, I feel that the VP was wrong in the aspects of this incident. It was both of their faults as I'm telling my wife. The lawyer for not announcing his presence if he was truely in the "arc" of fire, and the VP's for going after the bird that went outside his "arc" of fire. While hunting pheasant, my family always had a rule that if the bird flew into the 45 degree arc in front of you it was your shot. However, if it went outside the arc, you missed your chance. This was with a line of 5 people.
All it amounts to is a HUGE part of carelessness on the VP's part.
PeriscopeDepth
02-14-06, 04:49 PM
* Bort]Big Dick has had about 4 heart attacks and a pacemaker. What is he doing in the woods with a shotgun anyway?
My grandfather was 80 years old, had a pacemaker and had a nice gun collection. He taught me how to shoot and the "common" rules for firing a gun. Even though I'm a Republican, I feel that the VP was wrong in the aspects of this incident. It was both of their faults as I'm telling my wife. The lawyer for not announcing his presence if he was truely in the "arc" of fire, and the VP's for going after the bird that went outside his "arc" of fire. While hunting pheasant, my family always had a rule that if the bird flew into the 45 degree arc in front of you it was your shot. However, if it went outside the arc, you missed your chance. This was with a line of 5 people.
All it amounts to is a HUGE part of carelessness on the VP's part.
Look! Someone managed to post something without political overtones in this thread!
PD
SUBMAN1
02-14-06, 04:50 PM
Weird that we are the first society in history that does not train our youths in the are of weapon handling.
It is all a conspiracy for complete control of all of us sooner or later! :dead:
-S
* Bort]Big Dick has had about 4 heart attacks and a pacemaker. What is he doing in the woods with a shotgun anyway?
My grandfather was 80 years old, had a pacemaker and had a nice gun collection. He taught me how to shoot and the "common" rules for firing a gun. Even though I'm a Republican, I feel that the VP was wrong in the aspects of this incident. It was both of their faults as I'm telling my wife. The lawyer for not announcing his presence if he was truely in the "arc" of fire, and the VP's for going after the bird that went outside his "arc" of fire. While hunting pheasant, my family always had a rule that if the bird flew into the 45 degree arc in front of you it was your shot. However, if it went outside the arc, you missed your chance. This was with a line of 5 people.
All it amounts to is a HUGE part of carelessness on the VP's part.
Great post and advice. :up:
sonar732
02-14-06, 05:20 PM
I had a neighbor friend of mine who was 6 years younger than I who's father was a gun safety instructor. The teen participated in competition shoots, hunting trips, etc, etc. One day, he and a friend were downstairs in the basement with a pistol playing with it. He pointed it against his head, told the friend it wasn't loaded and then shot himself. Everyone kept asking why...why...why.
CARELESSNESS :cry: :(
sonar732
02-14-06, 05:24 PM
Now, sadly enough, the choice not to get the pellets out has led to this.
CORPUS CHRISTI, Texas - The 78-year-old lawyer wounded by Vice President Dick Cheney in a hunting accident suffered a mild heart attack Tuesday after a shotgun pellet in his chest traveled to his heart, hospital officials said. Harry Whittington was immediately moved back to an intensive care unit and will be watched for a week to make sure more pellets do not move to other vital organs. He was reported in stable condition.
Takeda Shingen
02-14-06, 05:36 PM
Nothing that was truly Cheney's fault (at least in terms of the accident) but the initial attempt to sweep the problem away is quite typical of public officials. That, and he needs to get his license squared away properly next time. :down:
Sharkstooth
02-14-06, 05:39 PM
u really aging fast tak...
:)
Takeda Shingen
02-14-06, 05:40 PM
What did you say, sonny? I don't hear well before my nap. Zzzzz.
Sharkstooth
02-14-06, 05:42 PM
lol.....
i say its a good thing this guy he shot was a republican... imagine if he was a democrat.
U-552Erich-Topp
02-14-06, 11:57 PM
Good one Dick. There's just nothing like shooting your partner.
Onkel Neal
02-15-06, 12:32 AM
12 Quail and 1 Lawyer, not a bad tally: NS ;)
Some others I came across:
Hunting with Dick is a blast
Duck! It's Dick!
Cheney's Got a Gun
Dick Cheney needs to replace hunting with golf: TravelGolf.com
Cheney Shooting Based On "Faulty Intelligence"?: The Moderate Voice
It’s open season on ‘Deadeye Dick’ : Fort Wayne Journal Gazette
"Good news, ladies and gentlemen, we have finally located weapons of mass destruction: It's Dick Cheney."
"But here is the sad part -- before the trip Donald Rumsfeld had denied the guy's request for body armor."
"We can't get Bin Laden, but we nailed a 78-year-old attorney."
"The guy who got gunned down, he is a Republican lawyer and a big Republican donor and fortunately the buck shot was deflected by wads of laundered cash. So he's fine. He took a little in the wallet."
"Although it is beautiful here in California, the weather back East has been atrocious. There was so much snow in Washington, D.C., Dick Cheney accidentally shot a fat guy thinking it was a polar bear."
"That's the big story over the weekend. ... Dick Cheney accidentally shot a fellow hunter, a 78-year-old lawyer. In fact, when people found out he shot a lawyer, his popularity is now at 92 percent."
"I think Cheney is starting to lose it. After he shot the guy he screamed, 'Anyone else want to call domestic wire tapping illegal?' "
"Dick Cheney is capitalizing on this for Valentine's Day. It's the new Dick Cheney cologne. It's called Duck!"
"Vice President Dick Cheney accidentally shot a man during a quail hunt ... making 78-year-old Harry Whittington the first person shot by a sitting veep since Alexander Hamilton. Hamilton, of course, (was) shot in a duel with Aaron Burr over issues of honor, integrity and political maneuvering. Whittington? Mistaken for a bird."
"Now, this story certainly has its humorous aspects. ... But it also raises a serious issue, one which I feel very strongly about. ... Moms, dads, if you're watching right now, I can't emphasize this enough: Do not let your kids go on hunting trips with the vice president. I don't care what kind of lucrative contracts they're trying to land, or energy regulations they're trying to get lifted -- it's just not worth it."
"He is a lawyer and he got shot in the face. But he's a lawyer, he can use his other face. He'll be all right."
"You can understand why this lawyer fellow let his guard down, because if you're out hunting with a politician, you think, 'If I'm going to get it, it's going to be in the back.' "
"The big scandal apparently is that they didn't release the news for 18 hours. I don't think that's a scandal at all. I'm quite pleased about that. Finally there's a secret the vice president's office can keep."
"Apparently the reason they didn't release the information right away is they said we had to get the facts right. That's never stopped them in the past."
Torplexed
02-15-06, 02:26 AM
Some great finds Neal. :-j
Ah Cheney...suddenly a rich vein of comedy. Maybe I shouldn't mention veins.
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4913/cheneychart6tx.jpg
SUBMAN1
02-15-06, 10:58 AM
Reading this stuff in the press, you'd think this was the only thing going on in the world! Its headline news when there are real issues to deal with. I don't understand the logic.
As for the lawyer - he deserved to get shot. You 'never' approach a hunting party when you are supposed to be somewhere else without 'annoucing' yourself. I mean, what is this guy thinking? If the press were doing its job, they should be focusing on why this guy didn't follow standard hunter rules.
-S
PS. Cheney must be a pretty good shot too if all he is using is a 28 guage! That is too small to have much covereage on what it is you are shooting - almost like using a rifle to shoot birds!
U-552Erich-Topp
02-15-06, 07:36 PM
:) Neal, those are priceless sayings. I enjoyed each one of them. Thanks.
I agree with subman...the millions starving today...the hundreds dying in wars takes a back seat to this non-sense...American reporters or reporters in general are nerds...I always think of the song "Dirty Laundry"...when I think about most reporters....what a sucky job..I would rather dig in real dirt that the crap they dig around in. :lost: SOS...
SUBMAN1
02-16-06, 11:23 AM
I agree with subman...the millions starving today...the hundreds dying in wars takes a back seat to this non-sense...American reporters or reporters in general are nerds...I always think of the song "Dirty Laundry"...when I think about most reporters....what a sucky job..I would rather dig in real dirt that the crap they dig around in. :lost: SOS...
I am becoming convinced they are trying to stir up trouble too, just to make a story. Maybe this free press has a problem in this area. I see they are posting storys of the old prison problems again. This is dead and gone years ago, so whyt are they posting it again? It can only be to stir up more violent protests so that they can get more stories. Our press is rather disgusting lately.
-S
JSLTIGER
02-16-06, 12:22 PM
I agree with subman...the millions starving today...the hundreds dying in wars takes a back seat to this non-sense...American reporters or reporters in general are nerds...I always think of the song "Dirty Laundry"...when I think about most reporters....what a sucky job..I would rather dig in real dirt that the crap they dig around in. :lost: SOS...
I am becoming convinced they are trying to stir up trouble too, just to make a story. Maybe this free press has a problem in this area. I see they are posting storys of the old prison problems again. This is dead and gone years ago, so whyt are they posting it again? It can only be to stir up more violent protests so that they can get more stories. Our press is rather disgusting lately.
-S
:huh: Lately?????
SUBMAN1
02-16-06, 01:19 PM
I agree with subman...the millions starving today...the hundreds dying in wars takes a back seat to this non-sense...American reporters or reporters in general are nerds...I always think of the song "Dirty Laundry"...when I think about most reporters....what a sucky job..I would rather dig in real dirt that the crap they dig around in. :lost: SOS...
I am becoming convinced they are trying to stir up trouble too, just to make a story. Maybe this free press has a problem in this area. I see they are posting storys of the old prison problems again. This is dead and gone years ago, so whyt are they posting it again? It can only be to stir up more violent protests so that they can get more stories. Our press is rather disgusting lately.
-S
:huh: Lately?????
I should rephraise that as more disgusting lately. Is that better? And yes, you are right! Just that these new prison photos are uncalled for.
-S
tycho102
02-16-06, 05:18 PM
I should rephraise that as more disgusting lately. Is that better? And yes, you are right! Just that these new prison photos are uncalled for.
-S
Not so much that, as they are running them full out non-censored. Whereas, in the interest of....sensitivity, they wouldn't run the Muhammed cartoons.
They are obviously physically scared by the Moslems, and because of that fear, have become anti-American in all the ways that they can be and still conduct business within United States borders. And it's the brave men and women who have been defending these cowards for decades, allowing them to out-breed the courageous.
America has a pacifist problem far greater than pre-World War I and pre-World War II, and the media is just an indicator.
For some of us 'pacifist' and 'problem' don't go along very well in the same sentence :roll:
When it comes to something like Iran's nuclear capability, a more forceful solution is plausible. Otherwise, there's perfectly peaceful ways to put pressure on the Muslim world. Just that noone seems to be willing to do that... :hmm:
SUBMAN1
02-17-06, 03:30 PM
Well it is good that people support their VP. He has had a hard week. Even the guy he shot feels bad for him. There is also good news - all the hunter saftey courses are using this incident to promote courses on hunters saftey saying they couldn't ask for better publicity. It is good to see some good come out of something bad.
-S
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/02/17/national/w104218S91.DTL
Cheney Gets Ovation From Wyo. Lawmakers
By BEN NEARY, Associated Press Writer
Friday, February 17, 2006
(02-17) 10:54 PST Cheyenne, Wyo. (AP) --
Vice President Dick Cheney returned to his home state Friday, getting a standing ovation from lawmakers shortly after the lawyer he accidentally shot made his first public comments about Saturday's hunting trip.
"I want to thank you for that welcome home," Cheney told the Wyoming lawmakers.
"It's a wonderful experience to be greeted by such warmth by the leaders of our great state. It's especially true when you've had a very long week. Thankfully, Harry Whittington is on the mend and doing very well."
In Corpus Christi, Texas, the 78-year-old Whittington stood outside the hospital where he has been treated, telling reporters he was sorry for all the trouble Cheney had faced since the accidental shooting during a quail hunting trip in South Texas.
"We all assume certain risks in what we do, in what activities we pursue," Whittington said. "Accidents do and will happen."
Dr. David Blanchard, the hospital's chief of emergency care, said Whittington was being released Friday because of "his excellent health," but added that Whittington wasn't answering questions because "he is not 100 percent."
He said the Austin attorney was "a lucky person" to survive the shooting.
Whittington was hit in the face, neck and chest with birdshot Saturday during the hunting trip. After a shotgun pellet traveled to his heart, he had suffered a mild heart attack Tuesday while being treated at Christus Spohn Hospital Corpus Christi-Memorial.
On Wednesday, Cheney took full blame for the shooting.
"I'm the guy who pulled the trigger and shot my friend," Cheney told Fox News in his first public comments since the shooting. He said it was "one of the worst days of my life."
Whittington said the past weekend encompassed "a cloud of misfortune and sadness."
"My family and I are deeply sorry for everything Vice President Cheney and his family have had to deal with," he said.
He also thanked the hospital staff and said he was "a lucky person" to survive the shooting.
On Thursday, President Bush said critics were drawing "the wrong conclusion about a tragic accident" when they say the delayed disclosure of the mishap was an indicator of an overly secretive White House.
Bush said Cheney handled the situation "just fine."
"I'm satisfied with the explanation he gave," Bush said, calling it "strong and powerful."
In Texas, the Kenedy County Sheriff's Department has closed its investigation without filing any charges. The department's report supported Cheney's account of the accident.
Cheney told an investigator that he did not see his hunting partner while aiming for a bird. The report also included the first public account from Whittington, interviewed from his hospital bed Monday.
Whittington "explained foremost there was no alcohol during the hunt and everyone was wearing the proper hunting attire of blaze orange," reported Chief Deputy Gilberto San Miguel Jr.
For his first public appearance since the shooting, Cheney chose the Wyoming Legislature, where in 1965 he worked as an intern and met Alan Simpson, then a rookie state legislator who would go on to be the No. 2 Republican in the U.S. Senate.
Ten years later, after doing postgraduate work in political science, Cheney went to Washington and served as White House chief of staff to President Ford. He was elected in 1978 to Wyoming's lone seat in the U.S. House of Representatives, serving until 1989, when he resigned to become secretary of defense under the first President Bush.
Cheney remains popular in Wyoming. He received a loud ovation four years ago when he last addressed the legislature
___
Associated Press writers Lynn Brezosky in Corpus Christi, Texas, and Nedra Pickler in Washington contributed to this report.
RickC Sniper
02-17-06, 08:02 PM
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RickC Sniper
02-17-06, 08:02 PM
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Deadeye Dick's Gun Club :rotfl:
http://www.dickcheneygunclub.com/
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The Plot thickens read on -
From Capitol Hill Blue
The Rant
Secret Service agents say Cheney was drunk when he shot lawyer
By DOUG THOMPSON
Feb 22, 2006, 07:35
A written report from Secret Service agents guarding Vice President Dick Cheney when he shot Texas lawyer Harry Whittington on a hunting outing two weeks ago says Cheney was "clearly inebriated" at the time of the shooting.
Agents observed several members of the hunting party, including the Vice President, consuming alcohol before and during the hunting expedition, the report notes, and Cheney exhibited "visible signs" of impairment, including slurred speech and erratic actions, the report said.
According to those who have read the report and talked with others present at the outing, Cheney was drunk when he gunned down his friend and the day-and-a-half delay in allowing Texas law enforcement officials on the ranch where the shooting occurred gave all members of the hunting party time to sober up.
We talked with a number of administration officials who are privy to inside information on the Vice President's shooting "accident" and all admit Secret Service agents and others saw Cheney consume far more than the "one beer' he claimed he drank at lunch earlier that day.
"This was a South Texas hunt," says one White House aide. "Of course there was drinking. There's always drinking. Lots of it."
Cheney has a long history of alcohol abuse, including two convictions of driving under the influence when he was younger. Doctors tell me that someone like Cheney, who is taking blood thinners because of his history of heart attacks, could get legally drunk now after consuming just one drink.
If Cheney was legally drunk at the time of the shooting, he could be guilty of a felony under Texas law and the shooting, ruled an accident by a compliant Kenedy County Sheriff, would be a prosecutable offense.
But we will never know for sure because the owners of the Armstrong Ranch, where the shooting occurred, barred the sheriff's department from the property on the day of the shooting and Kenedy County Sheriff Ramon Salinas III agreed to wait until the next day to send deputies in to talk to those involved.
Sheriff's Captain Charles Kirk says he went to the Armstrong Ranch immediately after the shooting was reported on Saturday, February 11 but both he and a game warden were not allowed on the 50,000-acre property. He called Salinas who told him to forget about it and return to the station.
"I told him don't worry about it. I'll make a call," Salinas said. The sheriff claims he called another deputy who moonlights at the Armstrong ranch, said he was told it was "just an accident" and made the decision to wait until Sunday to investigate.
"We've known these people for years. They are honest and wouldn't call us, telling us a lie," Salinas said.
Like all elected officials in Kenedy County, Salinas owes his job to the backing and financial support of Katherine Armstrong, owner of the ranch and the county's largest employer.
"The Armstrongs rule Kenedy County like a fiefdom," says a former employee.
Secret Service officials also took possession of all tests on Whittington's blood at the hospitals where he was treated for his wounds. When asked if a blood alcohol test had been performed on Whittington, the doctors who treated him at Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial in Corpus Christi or the hospital in Kingsville refused to answer. One admits privately he was ordered by the Secret Service to "never discuss the case with the press."
It's a sure bet that is a private doctor who treated the victim of Cheney's reckless and drunken actions can't talk to the public then the memo that shows the Vice President was drunk as a skunk will never see the light of day.
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