I got a crush on her - post your youth's idols!

[Skybird]

While I hijacked my own thread on page 2, I therefor decided to rename it. Original title was "A religion of Peace?"

I knew about stoning and cutting off a thief's hand. I did not know how barbaric and sick these already deeply perverted punishements are carried out. If you thionk it is a bout a quick swing with a sword, or two or three big rocks beeing thrown, you better think twice.

Be warned, the content of these videos is uncensored and mind-troubling. After having watched them try to argue that it is a civilised religion of peace, if you dare.

:down: :down: :down:

http://www.apostatesofislam.com/media/handcutting.htm
http://www.apostatesofislam.com/media/stoning.htm

I especially liked this: "Art.104: Stones used in stoning should neither be so big as to kill the adulterous at the first or second blow, nor as small as a pebble."


I find the whole site worth to be examined.

[Abraham]

... After having watched them try to argue that it is a civilised religion of peace, if you dare.
You're absolutely right that these punishments belong to the Dark Ages. You are also right to put a question mark behind the name of the thread. But we can't generalise the whole Muslim community and we should all realise that there are few Muslim nations where these punishments are actually administred.
And those countries happen to be primitive and culturally backward anyway.

[jumpy]

I think I'll leave viewing this one until I get home from work tonight. Peeps here (work) might get the wrong idea.

[Skybird]

... After having watched them try to argue that it is a civilised religion of peace, if you dare.
You're absolutely right that these punishments belong to the Dark Ages. You are also right to put a question mark behind the name of the thread. But we can't generalise the whole Muslim community and we should all realise that there are few Muslim nations where these punishments are actually administred.
And those countries happen to be primitive and culturally backward anyway.
These punishements are taught and ruled for by the same scriptures Muslim communites around the globe take as their basis. The are demanded by the Qu'ran. Do you know any Muslim community sayig it only takes some parts of the Quran, and rejects the other? I do not. islam teaches there is only one Qu'ran, as a whole, you cannot pick this and refuse that part. Historically there have been several different verisons of the Qu'ran, and they also changed, but it's not the first time that Islam is ignoring aspects nof it's own identity that are not welcomed in a given opportunistic situation. Today Qu'ran is considered to be ONE book only, one version.

You cannot separate Islam, Qu'ran, Theology and Insitution in Islam the way you are used to do that with for example the Church and Christianity. It simply does not compare. Like you can make linear tranbslation only for Western langauges, let's say English into German. but you cannot translate a Western language into Chinese, for example, not in a linear and comparable way. go into a book shop and pick ten difefrent versions of the TaoTeKing for example, and then read the same passage in all of them. Sometimes you will not realize that it is the same book you are reading.

Two totally different things.

that Islam still accepts part's of it's ummah to practice like shown in these videos tells something about it. Like it would tell something about the churches if they still were practicing the inquisition.

[The Avon Lady]

And those countries happen to be primitive.
I would not describe the government of Saudi Arabia as "primitive". There are a lot of other words for it.

[tycho102]

I knew about stoning and cutting off a thief's hand. I did not know how barbaric and sick these already deeply perverted punishements are carried out. If you thionk it is a bout a quick swing with a sword, or two or three big rocks beeing thrown, you better think twice.

Moses also prescribed stoning of women who commit adultery, as well as a few other things. Don't think they do much of that in this day and age, but it's on the "Books". :yep:

Cutting off the hands of thieves is a bit of a "grey area" for me. Think about Enron stealing the retirement funds from all their employees. Think about Electronic Arts, Walmart, Microsoft, and a whole bunch of others refusing to pay overtime. Start chopping off the hands of management, and you'd see a slightly more "moral" preoccupation with cost-cutting measures. Or you'd see the legislators changing the laws, causing public outrage, causing companies to change their business structure, instead.

Personally, I'd like to see child molestors and rapists get....something....chopped off.




There are a few good things that Islam does right. I think public humiliation could help the attitude of some of America's rich-elite class, which is basically what Martha Stewart got. She was just one of the ones the Justice Department could catch, however, as only the strongest survive. "The successful criminal mind is always superior....it has to be."

[Skybird]

I am for public opunishement as well, and to rethink the concept of "Bewährungsstrafe" (suspended sentence). make people feel ashamed in public is very effective, especially for the powerful and the very young ones suspended penalties are not very impressive (telling that as an ex-psychologist here, you can even proove it in experimentss both with humans and animals).

For example a teenager who got caught the first time for stealing, with me having a say would end in prison before the week is over. I would not suspend the penalty. but I would cut it short, say 3-7 days only. Let him feel awa<y from home. Let him taste the air behind bars. Let him make the experience where it leads to when he continues on that path. Release after he got his share of experience of that. It's not about braking a 15 year old for having stolen a package of bubble gums, or peerfum. It is about to make him feel that whatver he does will have conseqeunces.

I find it pervert to let a death candiate wait for his execution 15 years. I find it pervert if a hand of thief is not only hacked off with an axe, but is cut off with a knife, like a butcher is working on dead meat. I find it poervert if someone is not only executioned, but is tortured to death. I find it pervert if this is labelled as an act of justive, or is done in the name of a God.

Are they Goa'ulds, maybe?

[STEED]

Skybird we all know this sort of thing goes on but to place a sick link to watch it that's bad tast.

[Skybird]

I also knew that it happens. I did NOT know, as I said, how sick it is carried out. I haven't placed the link for a motivation driven by sensation. I saw the vids days ago, when AL (I think it was her) first linked to the site of Apostacies, the homeoage she linked. Since then I was thinking if I should point attention to them, and so far had done that twice, indirectly, by just pointing to the major homepage, from where everyone who was examining the site may have discovered them.

Since public discussion - at least in germany - still is dominated by the well-meaning, tolerant, everything-negative-is-to qualify(relativieren)-attitude, I consider input like these videos to be kind of a healing shock.

[Abraham]

And those countries happen to be primitive.
I would not describe the government of Saudi Arabia as "primitive". There are a lot of other words for it.
@ Skybird & The Avon Lady:
I would consider the mind frame, the outlook - or lack of it - to the world, of the Saoudi government "primitive", just as local rule in great parts of Pakistan, just as the former Taliban regime in Afghanistan, just as the regime in Somalia or Jemen.
Modern minded Muslim countries like Egypth, Indonesia, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Morocco, Tunesia, United Arab Emirates and others 'don't know these punishment and consequently the great majority of Muslims have nothing to do with those extreme forms of Sharia, still consider themselves to be devote Muslims.

That was the only point I was making.

[The Avon Lady]

I knew about stoning and cutting off a thief's hand. I did not know how barbaric and sick these already deeply perverted punishements are carried out. If you thionk it is a bout a quick swing with a sword, or two or three big rocks beeing thrown, you better think twice.

Moses also prescribed stoning of women who commit adultery, as well as a few other things. Don't think they do much of that in this day and age, but it's on the "Books". :yep:
Minor corrections: G-d prescribed and it applies to men as well. :yep:

[jumpy]

Skybird we all know this sort of thing goes on but to place a sick link to watch it that's bad tast.

If it was a direct link to the vid then yes, that might be different, but when you get to the page you don't have to watch anything if you don't wish to... I guess the folks there have a point to make for those who don't realise the sort of thing that goes on in the world today.
Let's face it most of us lead relatively sheltered lives, dissasociated from the more visceral aspects of 'humanity' -

If you have never seen a masked man slash the throat of an indonesian migrant worker (iirc) in Iraq 'cause he works for the yanks out there, waits untill he's bled to death all over the sand, making ghastly sucking and squealing sounds from his open throat and windpipe; like some kind of animal not a human being, then proceeds to saw the head from the torso with a large kitchen knife and displaying the severed head, whos eyes and mouth (I swear) can still be seen moving, atop the torso like some grizzly trophy, followed by shooting another dozen or so of the same workers in the back with an AK47 at point blank range, then you cannot truely appreciate how murderous and cruel some people can be and by extension, how cruel you or I coud be given the 'right circumstances or propper motivation'.

Just makes me sick thinking about it, but as I said, we live very sheltered lives over here and all of us should see our fellows and ourselves for what we really are. Make no mistake that is one of the true faces of humanity and once you've seen it you never forget what you and others are.
In a gruesome way the sooner the rest of us cushy westerners realise this the better, makes you better prepared to deal with such horrors if they come knocking on your door in the middle of the night.

[STEED]

Skybird we all know this sort of thing goes on but to place a sick link to watch it that's bad tast.

If it was a direct link to the vid then yes, that might be different, but when you get to the page you don't have to watch anything if you don't wish to... I guess the folks there have a point to make for those who don't realise the sort of thing that goes on in the world today.
Let's face it most of us lead relatively sheltered lives, dissasociated from the more visceral aspects of 'humanity' -

If you have never seen a masked man slash the throat of an indonesian migrant worker (iirc) in Iraq 'cause he works for the yanks out there, waits untill he's bled to death all over the sand, making ghastly sucking and squealing sounds from his open throat and windpipe; like some kind of animal not a human being, then proceeds to saw the head from the torso with a large kitchen knife and displaying the severed head, whos eyes and mouth (I swear) can still be seen moving, atop the torso like some grizzly trophy, followed by shooting another dozen or so of the same workers in the back with an AK47 at point blank range, then you cannot truely appreciate how murderous and cruel some people can be and by extension, how cruel you or I coud be given the 'right circumstances or propper motivation'.

Just makes me sick thinking about it, but as I said, we live very sheltered lives over here and all of us should see our fellows and ourselves for what we really are. Make no mistake that is one of the true faces of humanity and once you've seen it you never forget what you and others are.
In a gruesome way the sooner the rest of us cushy westerners realise this the better, makes you better prepared to deal with such horrors if they come knocking on your door in the middle of the night.


Pardon are you suggesting which should watch this vile stuff? :nope:

[Skybird]

And those countries happen to be primitive.
I would not describe the government of Saudi Arabia as "primitive". There are a lot of other words for it.
@ Skybird & The Avon Lady:
I would consider the mind frame, the outlook - or lack of it - to the world, of the Saoudi government "primitive", just as local rule in great parts of Pakistan, just as the former Taliban regime in Afghanistan, just as the regime in Somalia or Jemen.
Modern minded Muslim countries like Egypth, Indonesia, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Morocco, Tunesia, United Arab Emirates and others 'don't know these punishment and consequently the great majority of Muslims have nothing to do with those extreme forms of Sharia, still consider themselves to be devote Muslims.
That was the only point I was making.

Knowing egpt and jordan a bit I must correct you in so far, that, as in turkey, it makes a difference if you talk of the city population, or the population outside the cities, living in small villages only. Additionally, different to turkey, both countries are constantly travelled by beduin-like tribes, many of which are not that much Islamic at all. Even muhammad let them do as they want, to a certain degree, as long as they payed their taxes, for it was to difficult to keep them under control and make them submit to islam to the same degree as the settlements usually did. some of these tribes can be very proud people, I espeically think of the Tuaregs. Control of cities and settlements, while allowing some more loose rules for nomades is a pattern you can find in islam's history of expansion time and again. In a way it did like the maritime empires, that also concentrated their presence on regional hotspots and strategically important harbours and centers of economical interest, mostly never occupied the whole territory of a country, but sticking to the coastlines (Portugese, Spanish, Dutch, British, USA). By that I do not want to say that Islam IS a maritime empire. but it copies some behavioral patterns from these.

And there are other forms of Islamic behvior that I would describe as primitve, too. not only executions and Sharia. the role of women, beeing subject to enforced marriage at ridiculously low ages (currently a matter that is more and more urgently discussed in Germany, with regard to the Turks; muhammad himself has married a girl at the age of 9 or 10, I think, and insisted oin her sharing his bed); that public life excludes women (whom with marriage usually end imprisoned in their houses and households that they are not allowed to leave for the rest of their lifes - this is true to varying degrees, but it is practiced in ALL Islamic countries. Circumcision, while also true for male Jews, in Islam this affects little girls. And in several countries, especially the "far middle East", and north africa, this is done under very barbaric conditions, with tin-cans, without anesthetization, in most cases it leads to life-long traumatization, and often it leads to blood-poisening that kills or cripples the victim.
I do not go into theology here, but I indicate that there also is a lot of things that I would have no higher opinion of as what I stated in this thread.

Tolerance and beeing balanced is a nice thing, Abraham, but it must have limits. Islam sees no need for evolution, for it is the fulfillment of evolution. It does not develoep0e and forbids and supresses every tradition (philospophy, science, art, whatever) that could lead to change, and growth. That'S why it is stuck in the medieval. and thus I label it as primitive, compared to what has been acchieved in the West. What they have gained in using technology, scientific results, administrative and value things, did not come by their own effort. they copied it from the West, they bought it from the West, sometimes they steal it from the West. It is no result of their own effort and cultural developement. they are lacking the cultural basis for foriming such traditoions that led to the West'S superiroity in all these fields. Nevertheless now they claim the right of wanting to possess the benefits from it.

That argument includes: I doubt that they have the mental and moral ripeness of understanding the responsebility the possession of modern scietific and technolgical tools wpould mean. Even the West itself has problems with that. And isn't the West'S quarrel with Iran'S nuclear program exactly about this, in the end?


In how far a Muslim rejecting major parts of the scriptures and traditon can be called a Muslim is soemthing that I have discussed several times in past months. you cannot compare Islam to the church here. And on that we also had threads days and weeks ago. there are some reports of apostacies on that site that describe the experiences that made them change their minds, and memories describing how seriously distorted and hypocritical Muslims communites tend to be when describing their own feeling of identity - and I have complained about that as well. they can tell you one thing, and do the total opposite at the same time.

[Rockstar]

Genesis 16:12 And he will be a wild man; his hand [will be] against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

This wild man is Ishmael and his desendents who we are dealing with today.

All because Abram and Sari thought they needed to 'help' God rather than depend on his promise. Part of that promise, that a baren woman (Sarah)should bare Abraham a son (Issac).

Anyways my take on it is the desendants of Ishmael believe the land of Israel belongs to them as an inheritence. Fortunetly they will never be allowed to take it. They'll come close though and what a terrible time that will be.

[The Avon Lady]

Anyways my take on it is the desendants of Ishmael believe the land of Israel belongs to them as an inheritence.
I've never heard Muslims claim that. Got a link?

[Rockstar]

No links just Old Testement. I know both the Jews and Arabs claim Abraham as their father. So as I said my take on it since Ishmael was first born his desendants believe the land belongs to them. But this is clearly contrary to God's will, the land was promised to a son born to Abraham by Sarah not Hagar.

[Oberon]

That's the one thing that got me thinking the other day (not long after the 'Islam world domination' thread got locked.) Why is it that Christians and members of faiths other than Islam aren't so fired up about everything?
I mean, take for example, this whole cartoon debacle, now if someone had personified the Christian God, or indeed such films as 'The Life of Brian' or comedians as Dave Allen. Now, I know there was a small debate on Newsnight about Life of Brian (which the Monty Python team enjoyed immensely so I hear) but aside from that, that was it. There were no riots, no guys walking around dressed up as suicide bombers, and no-one tried to set fire to John Cleese's home.
Now imagine if it was 'The Life of Sahid'? I'm willing to bet the entire Monty Python team would have to be under armed guard for the rest of their lives and several parts of London would probably be on fire.
So, why are there no radical Christians, at least not in Europe.
Is it because of all the advancements that society has made throughout the last two centuries, because if you were to go back to the 1600s, then chances are Michael Palin and John Cleese would be smouldering on the stake, and in some ways Christianity back then resembled Muslims now. You had radical groups, religious fallouts (levellers, diggers, quakers), and if you were to go back even further, the Knights Templar.
All committing acts of blood in the name of their god.
Then, I think the change came after the second world war, when freedom of speech was encouraged and people began to live their lives how they wanted to, as opposed to how their god wanted them to. This radical change has yet to happen in the Middle East, in a way, most of them are living in the 1400s but with the weapons and technology of the modern age. It's like giving a Knights Templar an M-16.
Maybe, in a hundred years or so, the people of Islam will not be so stringent on their use of the Koran....but in the age of weapons that kill hundreds in one go...will it be too late?

[Happy Times]

I also knew that it happens. I did NOT know, as I said, how sick it is carried out. I haven't placed the link for a motivation driven by sensation. I saw the vids days ago, when AL (I think it was her) first linked to the site of Apostacies, the homeoage she linked. Since then I was thinking if I should point attention to them, and so far had done that twice, indirectly, by just pointing to the major homepage, from where everyone who was examining the site may have discovered them.

Since public discussion - at least in germany - still is dominated by the well-meaning, tolerant, everything-negative-is-to qualify(relativieren)-attitude, I consider input like these videos to be kind of a healing shock. It was actually me, that posted the link, but im honored that you mixed me with AL. :smug:

[jumpy]

Pardon are you suggesting which should watch this vile stuff? :nope:

No I'm not suggesting you/we watch anything you don't want to, certainly not for any kind of 'shock' or 'thrill'. :nope:
But if you want to know the truth of the world you have to be prepared to see things that will sicken and disgust you, or else you might as well burry your head in the sand and go la la la la la la la.
But I do think there is a certain value in knowing what the enemy within is capable of in order to dispell a certain naivete,* an innocence that were all just nice people at heart. I believe that there are some things to which the mind is just not capable of believing on its own, you just have to see to believe that such things are possible to be done by one person to another.
If such visions of brutality leave a marked impression, so much the better, perhaps it might make our ivory towers seem not quite so high, nor quite so immaculate.

I forget exactly how the saiying goes (somebody here had it as a signature for ages) something about being able to see all the worst and best of mankind and to rise above it with the knowlege of both...?


* I'm not suggesting you're naive, by the way.

[Skybird]

I also knew that it happens. I did NOT know, as I said, how sick it is carried out. I haven't placed the link for a motivation driven by sensation. I saw the vids days ago, when AL (I think it was her) first linked to the site of Apostacies, the homeoage she linked. Since then I was thinking if I should point attention to them, and so far had done that twice, indirectly, by just pointing to the major homepage, from where everyone who was examining the site may have discovered them.

Since public discussion - at least in germany - still is dominated by the well-meaning, tolerant, everything-negative-is-to qualify(relativieren)-attitude, I consider input like these videos to be kind of a healing shock. It was actually me, that posted the link, but im honored that you mixed me with AL. :smug:

Sorry for mixing that up!

[Skybird]

I forget exactly how the saiying goes (somebody here had it as a signature for ages) something about being able to see all the worst and best of mankind and to rise above it with the knowlege of both...?

Or that old motto of mine: strong and noble is the one whose eye can bear everything, but whose heart still feels everything!?

Actually not old at all. Philippe Noiret, playing an old musketeer in "D'Artagnan's daughter" (alias Sophie Marceau) said so in a French adventue movie from the early 90s, at least in the german version of it.

Oh Sophie... :oops:

[jumpy]

Or that old motto of mine: strong and noble is the one whose eye can bear everything, but whose heart still feels everything!?

yup that's the one. ;)

Oh Sophie... :oops:

-google image search to see who you meant..... ooh lordy lordy! Looks like a cold shower is headding jumpy's way lmao.

[STEED]

But if you want to know the truth of the world you have to be prepared to see things that will sicken and disgust you.


And after we watched all this vile corruption the evil in us will have to think up something even more vile and perverted to watch :nope: :nope: :nope:

[Oberon]

Oh Sophie... :oops:

-google image search to see who you meant..... ooh lordy lordy! Looks like a cold shower is headding jumpy's way lmao.

:yep: :yep: :yep: :yep: :yep:

[Skybird]

Or that old motto of mine: strong and noble is the one whose eye can bear everything, but whose heart still feels everything!?

yup that's the one. ;)

Oh Sophie... :oops:

-google image search to see who you meant..... ooh lordy lordy! Looks like a cold shower is headding jumpy's way lmao.

Second-cutiest girl I have ever seen, end of the 80s, when she was young. Unfortunately no pics from her of that era. but I found this:

http://images.porn613.com/9000/www_plus613_com_marceau29.jpg

http://www.51wall.com/euroidol/Sophie_Marceau/pic/Sophie_Marceau_06.jpg

http://oseb79.free.fr/images/Stars/sophie%20marceau%2003.jpg

S I G H . . .

[Abraham]

That's the one thing that got me thinking the other day (not long after the 'Islam world domination' thread got locked.) Why is it that Christians and members of faiths other than Islam aren't so fired up about everything?
The separation of State (politics) and Church (religion) was the result of the Renaissance, then the Reformation and finally the Enlightment.
This means that the State has nothing to say about religion and the Church can't order the policy of a state. This separation is a Godsend in disguise for both State and Church and as such under constant attack by totalitarian regimes and religions.
Islam (which means "Submission") has never develloped the concept of an independent state, with divisions of power, checks & balances and human rights to defend the right of the individual against the almighty state. The result in Muslim countries is corruption on a scale that can hardly be imagined in the West, nepotism and dictarorship or totalitarian regimes. Islam itself was considered almighty and (some) Muslim states are seen as not much more than concessions to a Western political superior system.
That's also why the opposition in Muslim states tends to turn back to the 'real', fundamental Islam when they are fed up with fake elections or corrupt dictators - often supported out of political necessety by the West, sometimes out of fear for those same fundamentalists!

[Oberon]

I did ponder whether it went further back than WW2, and cheers for pointing that one out.
:up:


On a lighter note....wasn't Sophie in 'The World is not enough'? :D

[Skybird]

On a lighter note....wasn't Sophie in 'The World is not enough'? :D

Yes. Also: Braveheart (the English princess). Anna Karenina (probably her best performance so far). She is more know in Europe than in America, I think. Started at the age of 12, with La Boum 1 and 2, which were teenager movie hits in France and Germany when i was 12, 13 years old and she still was looking like a poodle. then three or four movies i like her best in, easy entertainement but with that certain French charm and mood of the mid- and late 80s (Die Studentin, Fanfan & Alexandre, a. o.).

[Oberon]

That's what I thought, she is definately a looker, Bond should have chosen her over that nuclear technician...ok, she was working for the bad guy...but still....Sophie....

[Skybird]

Okay, Sophie for you, Silvia for me :D

[Abraham]

Okay, Sophie for you, Silvia for me :D
Isn't that the way marriages are arranged in traditional Muslim countries like Pakistan?
Is love or just lust involved?
Do Sophie and Silvia have any say in all this?
And what is Sophie's phone number?
:D

[Oberon]

Okay, Sophie for you, Silvia for me :D

I have a feeling my fiance will murder me....but it'll be worth it :up:

Okay, Sophie for you, Silvia for me :DIsn't that the way marriages are arranged in traditional Muslim countries like Pakistan?
Is love or just lust involved?
Do Sophie and Silvia have any say in all this?
And what is Sophie's phone number?
:D

Hey! Stop trying to drag this thread back on subject!! :arrgh

[Skybird]

Sometimes I just surpass myself - I've managed to hijack my own thread :lol:

[Abraham]

DOUBLE POSTAGE
Corrected everything with my magical moderator skills!
:D

[Oberon]

DOUBLE POSTAGE
Corrected everything with my magical moderator skills!
:D

Could you correct my double post then? That's why I posted DOUBLE POSTAGE ;) ;)

[Abraham]

DOUBLE POSTAGE
Corrected everything with my magical moderator skills!
:D

Could you correct my double post then? That's why I posted DOUBLE POSTAGE ;) ;)
Done, thanks to MMS.
But now this whole conversation does not make sense to the innocent bystander anymore...
Ahww, with a subject like this there are no innocent bystanders; even Sophie doesn't look that innocent!
:D

[Oberon]

DOUBLE POSTAGE
Corrected everything with my magical moderator skills!
:D

Could you correct my double post then? That's why I posted DOUBLE POSTAGE ;) ;)
Done, thanks to MMS.
But now this whole conversation does not make sense to the innocent bystander anymore...
Ahww, with a subject like this there are no innocent bystanders; even Sophie doesn't look that innocent!
:D

http://tfmc.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/sophiemarceau.jpg

Look at those eyes! Look at those eyes and tell me that she's not innocent!! ;)

[Skybird]

In case you have been an Allied serviceman and were stationed in Germany in the late 80s and you happened to have your young daughter with you along with your family, then she may have watched German TV and maybe she will remember this young lady, Silvia Seidel, who appeared in the series "Anna" as a ballerina and with that broke loose maybe the most successful and most hyped TV-production germany has ever seen. Not only a beautiful girl, and woman, she is, but also a person of strong will, discicpline, backbone and an sympathetic expression that most people found her absolutely irresistable. I remember Kirk Douglas beeing a guest in the show "Wetten dass?", meeting with her their. He was, liek all others, "hin and weg" (means: he was totally stunned as if under a spell).

Her fame payed off very badly for her, unfortunately. She payed bitterly for it, although totally undeserved.

Not always a good start makes for a good race.

http://people.freenet.de/Skybird/1988-09.jpg

http://people.freenet.de/Skybird/Unbenannt3.jpg

http://people.freenet.de/Skybird/Unbenannt1.jpg

Today she looks like this:

http://people.freenet.de/Skybird/zoom_600_450_29122004407052.jpg

Any loose comments I will take personally, so better take care! :D

[Oberon]

Hmmmm........
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Nope....I'll keep Sophie :rock:

[Skybird]

what does that mean...??? She's not got enough for you, or what...??? :hulk: :hulk: :hulk:

[Oberon]

what does that mean...??? She's not got enough for you, or what...??? :hulk: :hulk: :hulk:

Easy Tiger, we had a deal remember, I keep Sophie and you have Silvia ;)

[Skybird]

What does that mean...? what do you want from my Sophie...??? :hulk: :hulk: :hulk:

[Oberon]

Okay, Sophie for you, Silvia for me :D

Don't you mean, MY Sophie? You gave her up Skybird, she's my precious now!! :sunny: :smug:

[Skybird]

What does that mean...? do you see anything here that is NOT mine...??? :hulk: :hulk: :hulk:

I'm hungry. since you are not available, I'll eat something else instead now.

[Oberon]

Ok...me and Sophie are off to a restaurant.

Hey....can you hear a whistling sound.....?

http://www.universetoday.com/am/uploads/2004-0407explosion-lg.jpg

http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/2181/barringercrater6tc.jpg



Ah....my fiance caught up with me....

[jumpy]

@ skybird
"Holy-megapixel-pictures, Batman!" :rotfl:

lol Oberon.
:arrgh!:

[Skybird]

Ah....my fiance caught up with me....
Negative. your fiance had nothing to do with it... :hulk: :hulk: :hulk:

[Happy Times]

Kylie is perfect in everyway. :) http://atangledweb.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/kylie20minogue_9.jpg

[SUBMAN1]

Did you read the forums? That will give you an idea what these people are thinking.

-S

http://www.apostatesofislam.com/forum/

[Happy Times]

Did you read the forums? That will give you an idea what these people are thinking.

-S

http://www.apostatesofislam.com/forum/ Yes, very interesting discussions.

[AG124]

OK, what exactly is this thread about now... :-?

Islam or women? If it's the latter...well, I'd better not post a link to my current favorite model (Misty Dawn), as she is nearly nude in some of the pictures (not porn though). Don't want to get kicked off this board - or severely beaten by the Avon Lady or other females on this board for being sexist or something. :lol:

As for Islam, it appears as though there are even more calls for restraint from some figures. Like I said before, it may be that many intellectuals do not want to invoke serious consequences from the West, especially now that protests are being directed against more powerful countries such as Germany, France, and the US. But there are still many who think they can use these protests to their advantage.

Contrasting examples:

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2006/02/07/1139074226592.html

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200602/s1563708.htm

[Happy Times]

Shhh.. We use women as a front when we gather to discuss about Islam, kinda ironic. ;)

[AG124]

I see. :hmm:

Appealing subject for a front, anyway... :rotfl:

[Iceman]

Whats weird is some one earlier in this thread asked...Why don't christians and Jews flip out on the same things as Muslims do...not sure about the Jewish faith but Christianity or Jesus in the Bible said...

Matthew 18
[8] Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
[9] And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

Now this I can understand....ya don't cut off someone elses hand but if you are doing something that is causing offense to someone else or doing something that is causing you to sin then I understand the reasoning in this....meant to save the soul of ones self.

I would venture to bet that the ones in those videos who were stoned were probably automatically enterd into heaven if only on the fact of being martyred in such a way.

Truly the saying of Christ ...He that is without sin cast the first stone....man what a bunch o stuff there.


or were we talking of dream girls here...?
http://www.katyberry.com/BettyBoop/Valentines/feb97.jpg
All us dogs love Betty. :)

[Oberon]

Ah....my fiance caught up with me....
Negative. your fiance had nothing to do with it... :hulk: :hulk: :hulk:

Good point, Earth still exists.... ;)

[Skybird]

Shhh.. We use women as a front when we gather to discuss about Islam, kinda ironic. ;)

How offending! :lol: Maybe we should send all-female-delegations to any kind of discussion with Muslim fractions :lol:

[Rotary Crewman]

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/5/56/250px-Wilma_and_betty.jpg

Just imagine them two... :yep:

[STEED]

Just imagine them two... :yep:


You need your eyes testing and don't forget to see a doctor :rotfl:

[Wim Libaers]

Pardon are you suggesting which should watch this vile stuff? :nope:

Certainly. Consider that demographic evolutions, if not stopped, make it seem likely that this will be the law here in Europe in the not so distant future. This is a good opportunity to become used to the next European penal system. :dead:

Of course, the more recent additions to the thread are also well worth watching, because in that same future, they'll have to be covered in potato bags. :doh: