UK's Type 45

[Sea Demon]

First of all, I'd like to say to the UK, Congratulations on fielding the new Type 45. :cool: As some of you know, I'm a real AEGIS ship fan. AEGIS is a world standard in naval Air Defense destroyers. It looks, by spec, this Type 45 will outclass AEGIS in a number of ways.

The omni-directional missile system combined with an incredible radar resolution in the 3-D Sampson phased array radar system look to be an incredible combo. (PAAMS) It's argued that this Sampson has a better resolution than the latest SPY-1. But I'm not sure totally if that's been confirmed or not. Definitely possible. The Aster missiles they will use have active radar modes of homing. I know the US Navy has something like this planned in something called ERAM or SM-6. But that's still only in the planning stages. Type 45 incorporates this technology now. Very impressive.

Plus, I'm sure every sailor in the Royal Navy will want to serve on the ship for all the amenities. (large berthing spaces, I-Pod terminals :rock: ) Folks, this is one smoking hot destroyer. :cool: The UK should be very proud of this magnificent achievement.

Sea Demon

[Kapitan]

every one wants to get on it thats true think they had half the navy asking for transfers :D

[Godalmighty83]

its generaly seen as the start of a new era in the navy, what with the 45's and the designs being drawn up for 2 new carriers.

[Oberon]

Bout time they put some money in the Navy :up:

[Rotary Crewman]

Because the airforce gets shed loads :huh:

[Kapitan]

20 year old tornados wont save us any more well not much nor will harriers we need some serious upgradeing

[Rotary Crewman]

Not just the airforce! All over!

Sending the British army to a desert theater wearing green camo is stupid.

[JSLTIGER]

I dunno. I really don't think that 20 year old planes are all that obsolete. The F-15, F-16 and F/A-18 squadrons in the world would probably agree.

Not to mention the B-52 squadrons. The B-52 was introduced in 1954...52 years ago!

I mean, of course there's no contest when facing an F-22, but until they come online in greater numbers, and the F-35s are delivered, these planes should be fine, as there's nothing that they can't do that other planes in the world can.

[Rotary Crewman]

Its not so much the aircraft. Its the amount the RAF has. We're overstretched as it is and putting an aircraft through more frame hours than it can take is not a good idea.

[Godalmighty83]

tornadoes are still good aircraft, but their replacements need to start coming within the next 7 years, even if its the trouble hit JSF's and eurofighters (now performing very well in tests)

[XabbaRus]

I thought the Type 45 would have been more discussed on the Strategypage.com forum....

[Sea Demon]

Dude, the 45 uses ASTER in active mode homing (omni-directional system - high resolution 3-D radar). You launch a missile and it needs no illumination from the ship itself to find it's mark. That frickin' rocks. I think the ASTER 30 is out to 100 Km. I love AAW type destroyers. And this one looks exceptional.

I'm not sure this ship is too well known about yet (not a lot of links out there), so it still is not being talked about as much as it should be.

Sea Demon

[Bellman]

Type 45 Daring

Times:-
Each new D class destroyer will also have more firepower than the Royal Navy’s combined fleet of eight Type 42
destroyers once she is installed. “One D class ship would be able to knock out the same number of targets
as eight Type 42s because its missile system can track and attack multiple incoming aircraft and missiles,”
a Navy source said.

BBC:-
Lt Cdr Dean Woodruff RN, who has been overseeing Daring's progress, said she was something
special for the Royal Navy. More space has been allocated for recreational areas including
the first purpose built fitness centre. The old-style messes accommodating 30 or 40 men have been replaced
by cabins which sleep six.
All ranks were asked what they would like on board Daring and 95%of their ideas have been incorporated.**
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4666906.stm

(** Now that is ''Daring.'' ;)

The Launch video:-
http://www.type45.com/

Description:-
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/horizon/
http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/static/pages/1973.html
http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/DefenceNews/EquipmentAndLogistics/HmsDaringLaunchesInGlasgow.htm

[Kapitan]

sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet

[Rotary Crewman]

eurofighters (now performing very well in tests)

http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?F=1473401&C=europe

:doh: :doh: :doh:

(I know, only one out of how ever many we ordere but still..)

[Rotary Crewman]

As for the ship, thats blooming huuuuge

[Godalmighty83]

people see the word destroyer and think of all those ww2 movies with destroyers, the average ww2 destroyer weighed in at about 1500 tonnes, the t45 weighs in at nigh on 8000 full load. but the navy names by role not by any other specification.

if its role is too carry its a carrier
if its role is to destroy its a destroyer
if its role is too sink then its french....i mean a submarine.

[Kapitan]

compare the type 45 to a ww2 era vessel it would chur out as probably a light cruiser HMS belfast is a standard cruiser and is 11000 tonnes.

[Linton]

i was wondering just which nation the RN think are going to launch an airborne weapon against a T45?Read Lewis Page's book Lions,Donkeys and Dinosaurs to get an idea that this ship is defending the fleet from a cold war threat-only 16 years late.Most pwo would launch three paams against an inbound missile threat so you only need about a dozen offensive weapons in the air and the ship will soon be out of weapons to fight!perhaps they can use some of the excessive order for typhoons to practice on!!!

[Kapitan]

you can pick up an exocet cheap $1 million per missile some other russian missiles are less take a scud a guy bought one (now in duxford) for a little over £2000, now some not so well off countrys with a coast could launch many of these out of date or obsolete missiles and its a good job the T45 is around to stop them

[Godalmighty83]

i kinda get the feeling that the royal navy are trying to get a t45 finished before bush actualy finds iran on the map.

[Oberon]

i kinda get the feeling that the royal navy are trying to get a t45 finished before bush actualy finds iran on the map.
:rotfl: :up: :yep:

[Kapitan]

i love that one

[STEED]

i kinda get the feeling that the royal navy are trying to get a t45 finished before bush actualy finds iran on the map.

To late he has the smell of oil was the give away :lurk:

[Kapitan]

notice he going after country by letter now?

think he is learning the alphabet :88)

[Kapitan]

i kinda get the feeling that the royal navy are trying to get a t45 finished before bush actualy finds iran on the map.

Oh so we got plenty of time then

[SUBMAN1]

I dunno. I really don't think that 20 year old planes are all that obsolete. The F-15, F-16 and F/A-18 squadrons in the world would probably agree.

Not to mention the B-52 squadrons. The B-52 was introduced in 1954...52 years ago!

I mean, of course there's no contest when facing an F-22, but until they come online in greater numbers, and the F-35s are delivered, these planes should be fine, as there's nothing that they can't do that other planes in the world can.

The US's Air Force is pathetic. It is operating the oldest aircraft ever since its inception. Both China and India field a more capable force, especially India's thrust vectoring SU-30's. Recently our guys took India's SU-30's up against our guys in our aircraft and the guys in the SU-30's kicked our aircraft ever single sorte - without fail!

Our airforce reminds me of old Soviet doctrine - Don't worry about building the best, but worry about overwhelming them in numbers instead. This is what the US's Airforce follows more closely at this time than at any time in the past. As we know, this does not work well in a time where losses are unaccaptable by our public. Just be gratefull that we haven't had to go up against a country with decent hardware since allthought the US would win, the loss rate would be way unacceptable, even from a warfighters standpoint!

-S

[Sea Demon]

The US's Air Force is pathetic. It is operating the oldest aircraft ever since its inception. Both China and India field a more capable force, especially India's thrust vectoring SU-30's. Recently our guys took India's SU-30's up against our guys in our aircraft and the guys in the SU-30's kicked our aircraft ever single sorte - without fail!

Our airforce reminds me of old Soviet doctrine - Don't worry about building the best, but worry about overwhelming them in numbers instead. This is what the US's Airforce follows more closely at this time than at any time in the past. As we know, this does not work well in a time where losses are unaccaptable by our public. Just be gratefull that we haven't had to go up against a country with decent hardware since allthought the US would win, the loss rate would be way unacceptable, even from a warfighters standpoint!

-S

The Su-30's you mention had some advantages given in the exercise. The exercise was for India's benefit, not the US's. The US aircraft were not allowed to use their AWACS capability. The Indians had a platform running tactical air control from their side. The US aircraft were not allowed to use BVR weapons and tactics. No US AESA radars were allowed, no AIM-9X's were allowed. India had a numerical advantage as well. If it was real conflict, the US Air Force would have smoked these Su-30's as they would have been able to use all of the above and more.

The US Air Force is not pathetic. Take a look at the Global striking abilities inherent in B-2 which gives little to no warning of attack, B-52's and B-1's with their abilities to carry huge amounts of ordnance and long loiter times, F-22, Global Hawk, etc. The latest Block F-16C's are still potent tactical aircraft, as are the F-15C with the latest in AESA radar technology and missiles. A-10's have proven to be invaluable in every action it has seen to date. If I was to list everything the US Air Force has to fight and win war, this paragraph would run on for what seems like forever. I haven't even touched on the full range of Information Warfare and Surveillance programs (Including Space based assets). Information is the key to winning war. And US Air Force's ability to gather data in real-time and deploy adequate force to destroy is unmatched. As of this moment, nobody can challenge the US Air Force for dominance of any battlespace. China with only a handful of Su-30's, Su-27's, and J-8's ain't gonna do the trick. India's Air Force in real world applications could not deploy anywhere and every basing situation they have would be totally vulnerable to attack, especially if based on their home soil.

Take heed, your Air Force is much better than what you give it credit. There is no "overwhelming numbers" theories working in any doctrine of the US Air Force. I know, I've been there. It's all about precision strike and utilizing the least amount of hardware to do the most amount of damage. While I think Su-30 is a fine tactical aircraft, I have seen no evidence to show it's of a higher quality than the US's latest block F-16. It looks to be highly maneuverable just like most Sukhoi aircraft seem to be built for. But being ultra-maneuverable ain't going to help you when you have a couple of F-16's being directed into your combat area in a positional advantage via tactical air controllers, and backed up by
US Navy jamming aircraft.