Danish, Swedish, Norwegian and Chilean embassys burning!

[Happy Times]

In Damascus Syria, Danish, Swdish and Chilean embassies were burned today and the Norwegian embassy has been attacked now. That leaves Finland still untouched, well we only had the cartoons in TV.

[Kapitan]

be prepared

[STEED]

What's this world coming to? :nope:

[Gorduz]

how can a cartoon printed in a newspaper in Norway bring out so much anger. I blame the media for flaming this Mohammad caricatures up in the skys. But the real problem for Norway now is that we now have lost all credibility to be able to do diplomatic work.

[sonar732]

Wouldn't that be considered an act against a state? Diplomatic relations are going down the tube for Syria as it is and now, they aren't prohibiting their people from burning embassies of other nations. Not good... :nope:

[Takeda Shingen]

Yes, Syria is running out of friends at a time when they could use them. Hopefully, no Danes, Sweedes, Chilaens and (heaven forbid) Fins, will be hurt and the only end results will be the destruction of property and the Syrian people slitting their own diplomatic throats.

[bradclark1]

Best thing that should be done is all countries recall embassy staffs.

[DAB]

Its a diplomatic incident if Syria didn't try and stop it. My understanding is that they did.

To be fair, different communities (AND I will post negatively in capitals at anyone who uses the word "Civilisations" :o ) have different priorities and threasholds regarding morality. Legally the media has done nothing wrong, but does that mean they have been responsible.

Their is an analogy. If a newspaper published cartoons about women that portrayed them as 'growbags' with no intellegence etc etc etc - there are few countries where that is illegal. But it is sexist and insulting to European and American sensibilities.

Does that excuse firebombing an embassy, of course not. But it does explain it. And lets face it, its not as if many people on these boards have not been prone to overreactions over petty things

Hands up people here who called French Fries "Freedom Fries" in 2003-2004

[Catfish]

Hello,
if you look at the facts this is indeed a declaration of war - it is no spontaneous outburst of anger, but a direct action triggered, guided and covered by the syrian government.

Well the problem is that it is not the average man from the street, nor the educated people who have studied abroad and returned to Syria, that triggered this - but the syrian "government", or better dictatorship.

Ordinary people will again suffer most of the forthcoming incidents. Governments always go to war and blame other peoples if they want to divert there own people from internal problems, works always since the beginning of mankind.

Christians (and i do not mean those US american sects and splinter groups) have lived thousands of years being accused as unbelievers, had to fight back islamic invasions again and again, certainly made faults with those crusades, but are now trying to remain open for discussion, and now that? Syria, if you take a cartoon as a reason for war you do not know what awaits you.
I wonder whether there is one state in the whole world that can live in peace with its islamic neighbour, even if it's islamic itself. I also wonder whether believing in a religion in a way that daily life and dealing with people of other cultures are influenced in such a way, automatically reduces the IQ by some fifty percent ?

Greetings,
Catfish


"Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it" (Someone)
"No fu**ing human being has ever learned from history" (Catfish)

[AG124]

Hands up people here who called French Fries "Freedom Fries" in 2003-2004

That wasn't one of the Americans' better or more sensible ideas. :roll: But still, I never saw any US citizens burning down the French embassy or calling for a fatawa against French leaders or encouraging severe limits on freedom of speech (although Michael Moore might argue otherwise on that one :P ).

With the recent warnings to Syria lately (from the French too, even though they did not take the same stand with Iraq) I don't think Syria (ar any other Middle East Islamic nation) is pursing an intelligent course of action. I have heard that a few more leaders are calling for restraint - maybe some in power are worried what might happen if the West stops appeasing them - they could lose the wealth and influence they are getting from oil production. They probably don't care too much about the religious beliefs of their subjects unless they can use them. But I don't know, I'm just guessing.

[Skybird]

Very well. The hotter the fires, the bigger the chance that Europeans will wake up from their flirt with Islam.

[August]

Very well. The hotter the fires, the bigger the chance that Europeans will wake up from their flirt with Islam.

QFT.

[Type XXIII]

Catfish, can you provide those 'facts'.? Looks like it was triggered by extremist factions to me. (I do not consider the Syrian government to be an extremist faction.)

Still, remember all the hippies throwing stones at US embassies back in '69. That didn't start any wars. (It rather stopped one.) Is it your opinion that it should have?

[TteFAboB]

There's a big difference between throwing rocks and burning an embassy, whatever the effect is, one will break alot of glass and hurt anyone who approaches the windows, the other will kill people inside and destroy everything if the fire isn't or cannot be extinguished anymore.

[CCIP]

Well...

This has decidedly made my view more negative - it doesn't make me any less of a skeptic of the West, but decidedly more of a skeptic of the 'East' here. I hope this has similar effects on as many other people as possible.

[sonar732]

I don't have cable so I can't follow the coverage. However, I can put money down that Syria didn't stop them from storming the embassy.

[The Avon Lady]

Don't smell no smoke over here.

[tycho102]

how can a cartoon printed in a newspaper in Norway bring out so much anger.

It's just an excuse. The imams tell them to riot over this, they riot over this. That's how the gangs are setup. When Al Capone told his men to hit the other don, they hit the don.

[Happy Times]

Don't smell no smoke over here. You must be having a ball down there? Tell us. You want to say, " I told you so.." :D

[The Avon Lady]

Don't smell no smoke over here. You must be having a ball down there? Tell us. You want to say, " I told you so.." :D
I told you so? Yes.

A ball? No. :nope: :cry:

[Catfish]

Hello TypeXXIII,
apart from what i saw in the news i have some friends that studied in Goettingen, Germany in the eighties. I still have contact to them, as well i've been in Syria recently.
I guess you have no idea what it is like there - the dictatorship controls everything and everywhere. You cannot discuss anything freely, the common people have no idea what it is like to live in a "free country" (e.g. in Denmark). They are frustrated because they have no influence of the "state" at all, this is no democracy, not even a kingdom.

The dictatorship and the security police use every argument against the west that they will be able to find, it does not need any evidence. Main thing is it distracts the people from inner problems like killing the Kurds, restrictive politics, bad economics, poverty etc..
The imams are only jumping the bandwagon and canalize the reservoir of anger and frustration towards their goals. They certainly lay the roots for forthcoming years of hate in the children, and that is why i will not believe an imam speaking of tolerance and the like - simple as that.

If the danish prime minister says he will not go to control the news media because he simply is not able to do this in a free society, no one in Syria believes him. If a member of Syria's government told a newspaper to hold back information or whatever this newspaper will obey - or the editor and boss will be thrown out and executed.
What i want to point out is the control of the state is just as tight or tense that it will not allow any "free" action like spontaneous burning of embassies.

If you think of "spontaneous" burning of books, terrorizing jews and the ability of freee speech under the Nazi regime you will get a glimpse of what it is like.

Greetings,
Catfish

[JSLTIGER]

Don't smell no smoke over here. You must be having a ball down there? Tell us. You want to say, " I told you so.." :D
I told you so? Yes.

A ball? No. :nope: :cry:

Anyone who has followed the Israel/Palestinian situation on any level beyond the news should be able to say "I told you so." The real question is why the rest of the world did not pick up on these sentiments sooner.

[Happy Times]

Don't smell no smoke over here. You must be having a ball down there? Tell us. You want to say, " I told you so.." :D
I told you so? Yes.

A ball? No. :nope: :cry: Whats the common opinion/analysis in Israel about how the conflict will play out?

[XabbaRus]

Disgusting.

AFAIK the Syrians didn't provide any security even though they had been asked by the governments involved as they feared attacks. It is an attack by proxy.

Part of teh debate here is whether it was responsible to have printed those cartoons and were they drawn deliberaetly to cause offence.

Well there are different levels. Maybe the journalist/cartoonist went too far in causing offence. I personally think not considering the cartoons I have seen about the Pope, Christ and Jews in the Arab press.

But as the Danish ambassador was saying on BBC24 (I think it was him) because of teh mistake of a single journalist why should other Danes have to suffere eg the ones who lost their jobs due to a boycott of Danish firms, those who might have been hurt in the riots etc..

As written on the BBC site IIRC one muslim top guy said what makes people more prejudiced against Mulsims, seeing cartoons like that or the riots people see on the TV.

Sure get offended, that is your right. Yes you can demonstrate, but peacefully, not burning flags and threatening to job peoples heads off.

Maybe in the west we don't have so much "respect" for religion as maybe 20 or 30 years ago but we have always taken the mickey out of it from a long way back. Part of cultural development in my opinion.

[Onkel Neal]

how can a cartoon printed in a newspaper in Norway bring out so much anger. I blame the media for flaming this Mohammad caricatures up in the skys. But the real problem for Norway now is that we now have lost all credibility to be able to do diplomatic work.

No you haven't. You have to keep in mind, these people are primitive. It is not Norway's fault.

[Onkel Neal]

Well...

This has decidedly made my view more negative - it doesn't make me any less of a skeptic of the West, but decidedly more of a skeptic of the 'East' here. I hope this has similar effects on as many other people as possible.

Actually, this has not changed my opinion one bit, I already felt like you are beginning to feel. ;)

[CCIP]

I know. Some of us were obviously a little ahead, but noone's perfect.

This doesn't mean I'm suddenly going to swing to the right on the political spectrum or declare my support for war on Iraq/Iran - but I'll call a spade a spade.

Also, I hope something is done. Talking to people about it today, I think my initial conclusion was that if the West doesn't respond with political or economic sanctions of some sort, especially if this continues, they will seriously be compromising their position.

[Skybird]

Well...

This has decidedly made my view more negative - it doesn't make me any less of a skeptic of the West, but decidedly more of a skeptic of the 'East' here. I hope this has similar effects on as many other people as possible.

Actually, this has not changed my opinion one bit, I already felt like you are beginning to feel. ;)
Not just since these days, but since one year, I saw myself in need to change a damn lot of my opinions that I held in earlier years for so long. To think how well-meaning I once thought of Islamic culture ten years ago and during my "time of travellings", and compare it to today makes me wonder if I am really the same person anymore.

I have ended my adventure time, I have a more indiffrent attitude to some things that in earlier years were important to me, and I do not pay so much attention anymore to what people think about me. I assume this culminated in an effect that equals that of stepping back from a big puzzle I was working on for years - and from theat greater perspective all the isolated details suddenly fell into their right places all by themselves, revealing the overall picture. Seen that way, I have not wasted time and did nothing wrong - i reached the final goal that was to be acchieved.

Years ago I was more tolerant and of good will and intention towards islam. but that was before I somewhat completed to combine personal experinces in foreign locations with academical knowledge. the latter let the first appear in different light since one year now, or longer. Also, some contradictory memories of events during travelling - today suddenly make sense. Unfortunately, all these changes in my perception of Islam are for the worse, not for the better. When I think of Iran, which I once held some hope for, I feel dissapointed, and not just because of Ahmadinejadh (whom I do not expect to become a lasting figure on the political stage).

I changed from Paulus to Saulus, it seems. I do not like it, but let's face it - I have turned into a hardliner towards Islam. Hurts my ego to admit that I had follies on my mind, but makes me feel better in my no longer twosplit attitude. Like a relief. Don't trying to be a nice guy anymore. They want the hard way of playing - okay with me. that game can be played by both sides.

I also have re-read the better part of my literature on Islam during last year. Much of it seemed to be completely new books to me. Memories from my travellings are now feeding back into the intellectual input. I think, growing age also has somethign to do with it.

I think we are heading for severe turbulence. Which is a chance to see what in our setup is solid, and what is weak.

[TteFAboB]

As I suspected, the damage to the Chilean embassy is completely collateral, it would be a nice step towards requesting apologies from Denmark if the stormers apologized to Chile for the useless aggression, it's their loss afterall, I suppose, who wants to open an embassy in Syria knowning that if any newspaper publishes anything Syrians don't like your embassy will go down on fire direct or even indirectly? Anyway, if Americans can't always drop an accurate GPS or laser guided bomb from the sky on target, what would you expect from a guy with a Molotov standing right in front of his target?

[CCIP]

Ironically, I think the ones being helped most by this are the (not neccesarily extreme) right-wing parties in Europe and America. That doesn't particularly excite me but, in fairness, that may also be a good indicator of the stupidity of the more left-wing ones on this issue.

A mess, this is.

[Skybird]

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/757

"All the more sad then that the Vatican has followed the British Foreign Secretary in appeasing the critics of the publication of the cartoons."

Bah.

Does Britain leave other european nations, that defend the freedom of speech, alone, because it wants to appease Islam -> because it wants to keep the foolish illusion of Turkey beeing acceptable to become member of the EU, or that EU is not becoming too strong a political player by that membership? Or do they want to appease probably hostile reactions towards their troops in Iraq in advance? I find the official British reaction to this mess irritating at least, if not shameful.

The vatican'S reaction does not surprise me at all. It still wants to be in bed with Islam. Hallelujah.

[Happy Times]

The Danish consulate in Beirut, Lebanon, is in flames. :doh:

[Jesper]

Its was a set of cartoons (12 images actually, you all saw them, they were posted on subsim too), they were not attacks on any person, country or religion. they were toons, laugh at them and get on with your life!

When you burn the national flag of a country you are asking for war! that is not fun at all, its not a toon!

Denmark has to get even with muslims for this,
if they dont they will loose this 'war' and the others will win and it wont be the last time they act like early primates.

It is not a wonder that more and more Danish and other 'white people' becomes racists, people should be shot dead for their actions towards Danish property and it's flag.

If you dont like whats printet in the newspaper DONT FRICKEN READ IT, if you are personally offended by the newspaper sue it, dont burn the flag of the country.

Disclaimer: No I am not a racist, and I don't hate all muslims or other ethnic groups of people but attack my flag and I'll hate you.

[JSLTIGER]

Well...

This has decidedly made my view more negative - it doesn't make me any less of a skeptic of the West, but decidedly more of a skeptic of the 'East' here. I hope this has similar effects on as many other people as possible.

Actually, this has not changed my opinion one bit, I already felt like you are beginning to feel. ;)
Not just since these days, but since one year, I saw myself in need to change a damn lot of my opinions that I held in earlier years for so long. To think how well-meaning I once thought of Islamic culture ten years ago and during my "time of travellings", and compare it to today makes me wonder if I am really the same person anymore.

I have ended my adventure time, I have a more indiffrent attitude to some things that in earlier years were important to me, and I do not pay so much attention anymore to what people think about me. I assume this culminated in an effect that equals that of stepping back from a big puzzle I was working on for years - and from theat greater perspective all the isolated details suddenly fell into their right places all by themselves, revealing the overall picture. Seen that way, I have not wasted time and did nothing wrong - i reached the final goal that was to be acchieved.

Years ago I was more tolerant and of good will and intention towards islam. but that was before I somewhat completed to combine personal experinces in foreign locations with academical knowledge. the latter let the first appear in different light since one year now, or longer. Also, some contradictory memories of events during travelling - today suddenly make sense. Unfortunately, all these changes in my perception of Islam are for the worse, not for the better. When I think of Iran, which I once held some hope for, I feel dissapointed, and not just because of Ahmadinejadh (whom I do not expect to become a lasting figure on the political stage).

I changed from Paulus to Saulus, it seems. I do not like it, but let's face it - I have turned into a hardliner towards Islam. Hurts my ego to admit that I had follies on my mind, but makes me feel better in my no longer twosplit attitude. Like a relief. Don't trying to be a nice guy anymore. They want the hard way of playing - okay with me. that game can be played by both sides.

I also have re-read the better part of my literature on Islam during last year. Much of it seemed to be completely new books to me. Memories from my travellings are now feeding back into the intellectual input. I think, growing age also has somethign to do with it.

I think we are heading for severe turbulence. Which is a chance to see what in our setup is solid, and what is weak.

Along a similar vein, I had an experience that resembled Skybird's, although my attitude was aimed more towards the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.

I used to be a strong believer in the peace process. The Palestinians were asking for the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, and E. Jerusalem, in addition to the "right of return." In 2000, the Israelis offered the Palestinians the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip with land added to make up for the lack of East Jerusalem. In other words, the square mileage would have been the same. I felt that this was an amazing offer for the Palestinians, who basically got most of what they had wanted out of the deal. They promptly rejected the plan, refusing to accept it because it did not offer EVERYTHING that the Palestinians wanted.

That is when I lost faith in the peace process and decided that dealing with the Palestinians was a waste of time. Any deal that would have to be made in this process needs to reflect a compromise, on both sides. Israel did so, offering the Palestinians a significant portion of the land of their New Jersey-sized state. The Palestinians refused to compromise, and I doubt that they ever will. Therefore, my attitude has become: Screw 'em.

[Type941]

I am not a racist either but I swear it's hard to call these people on streets burning flags as anything other than dirty brainless monkeys. It's disgusting, and shows governmtns there have absolutely no control. How did it come to this?...

[goldorak]

I am not a racist either but I swear it's hard to call these people on streets burning flags as anything other than dirty brainless monkeys. It's disgusting, and shows governmtns there have absolutely no control. How did it come to this?...

Its not that the governments other there have no control on the situation, they actively support it.
Its a very very big difference.

[micky1up]

to me personally this shows that none of the muslims cant be trusted to behave normally they have no moral standing and i dont care weather they were told to riot by the leaders or not its a total overreaction its not as if mohammet was a god but a prophet if he was a god he would have his dolphins whats the problem

[Happy Times]

If Turkey joins EU im going to burn something. :hmm: http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2006-02-05T162433Z_01_L05745326_RTRUKOC_0_US-RELIGION-TURKEY-PRIEST.xml&archived=False

[Skybird]

"Cooperation is possible on the basis of our shared values."
(Tony Blair on EU membership for Turkey, sometime last years.)

"It is a fact, that terms like dialogue, justice, mutuality (Gegenseitigkeit), or terms like human rights and democracy have a completely different meaning and understanding for Muslims than for us."
(The bishop of Izmir, 1999)

[Catfish]

Hello,
don't want to hijack the "hate the turks" thread, but i was just surprised what the a spokesman of the US secretary of the state, a Mr. Kurtis Cooper, had to say:

"Those cartoons are indeed an attack towards the moslem's belief. We all completely appreciate and respect freedom of speech and press, but it has to be seen in the context of the responsibility of the press."
and
"Inciting religious or ethnical hate in such a way cannot be accepted." (!)

I will spread those cartoons wherever i'm able to, thank you Mr. Cooper.

Greetings,
Catfish

[Happy Times]

State Departments in all countries are full of pussys.

[Skybird]

Hello,
don't want to hijack the "hate the turks" thread, but i was just surprised what the a spokesman of the US secretary of the state, a Mr. Kurtis Cooper, had to say:

"Those cartoons are indeed an attack towards the moslem's belief. We all completely appreciate and respect freedom of speech and press, but it has to be seen in the context of the responsibility of the press."
and
"Inciting religious or ethnical hate in such a way cannot be accepted." (!)

I will spread those cartoons wherever i'm able to, thank you Mr. Cooper.

Greetings,
Catfish

GBR and US have troops in Iraq. US and GBR wants Turkey in the EU. GBR and US prepare new war in Iran, but do not want to give the impression it is for racist/cultural/religious reasons.

On the other hand, and without GBR's participiation, today presidents from seven european countries have united and condemend Muslim reaction to the practicing of freedom of speech, while chancellor Merkel got adressed by Ahmadinejadh, saying that as a woman that she is she better should not open her mouth. yesterday Merkel had a short but sharp exchange of words with Iran's envoy to the Munich conference for security, and indirectly compared Ahmadinejadh to the Nazis.

[Wim Libaers]

Part of the debate here is whether it was responsible to have printed those cartoons and were they drawn deliberaetly to cause offence.

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,398717,00.html



But as the Danish ambassador was saying on BBC24 (I think it was him) because of the mistake of a single journalist why should other Danes have to suffere eg the ones who lost their jobs due to a boycott of Danish firms, those who might have been hurt in the riots etc..

Because the idea that a journalist would dare to write anything that is not supported by the government, or that he might survive if he did, is completely foreign to them. The fact that the Danish government has not executed the journalist is, to them, obvious proof that the Danish government is behind this.


State Departments in all countries are full of pussys.

This case reminds me of a speech by Bush.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010920-8.html
"They hate our freedoms -- our freedom of religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to vote and assemble and disagree with each other."
He was right, if you take this out of context. Of course, when reading the whole speech, he was wrong, because he was only referring to the terrorists. The problem is bigger than that.

[XabbaRus]

to me personally this shows that none of the muslims cant be trusted to behave normally they have no moral standing and i dont care weather they were told to riot by the leaders or not its a total overreaction its not as if mohammet was a god but a prophet if he was a god he would have his dolphins whats the problem

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :lurk:

[Skybird]

http://www.alghurabaa.co.uk/articles/new/cartoon.htm
http://www.alghurabaa.co.uk/articles/Joining%20the%20Police.htm

Years ago, while we stayed in a small camp in an oasis in Western Egypt, there was a dog that strayed around our camp, it was not the first dog I have seen, they belong to the villages there like sand to the desert, but this one acted strange and had some sort of froth at it's snout, and somehow I did not like it's eyes. It came closer and closer, moved backwards, approached again, this time some more closer, and so it went for half an hour. Then, with a sad heart, I put together my bow, it seemed to feel what was coming and moved backwards again, but I shot it dead. I did not want to risk that that dog was sick, maybe had rabbies, and someone of us four would get bitten. I buried it together with the arrow, did not want to risk infection from it. This was the only time so far that I have intentionally killed a living creature. I did not like it, but I also did not feel too bad. It was the right thing to do, in that situation.

This story comes often to my mind when reading such "Mist".

[Neptunus Rex]

When one nation establishes an embassy/diplomatic mission, it is with the host nation's endorsement. That endorsement makes the embassy/diplomatic mission "quests" of that host nation. The host nation is obligated to protect it's guests, regardless of the source of the threat.

Failure to do so does constitutes "An Act of War".

At the very least, all western nations should send a signal to these poor host nations and recall their embassies/diplomatic missions in full. Leave no one behind.

As a true sign, last man out demolishes the embassy complex, we're not coming back!

Oh yeah and declare their embassys/diplomatic missions "Persona non grata", you have 24 hours to leave!

[JSLTIGER]

When one nation establishes an embassy/diplomatic mission, it is with the host nation's endorsement. That endorsement makes the embassy/diplomatic mission "quests" of that host nation. The host nation is obligated to protect it's guests, regardless of the source of the threat.

Failure to do so does constitutes "An Act of War".

At the very least, all western nations should send a signal to these poor host nations and recall their embassies/diplomatic missions in full. Leave no one behind.

As a true sign, last man out demolishes the embassy complex, we're not coming back!

Oh yeah and declare their embassys/diplomatic missions "Persona non grata", you have 24 hours to leave!

Well the thing is that technically, attacking the embassies with or without protection from the home nation IS an act of war regardless of the circumstances because embassies are viewed in the modern world as territories of the nation they belong to (i.e. technically, the US embassy in Moscow is American soil, just like the Russian embassy in DC is Russian soil). Thus, when the embassies are attacked, the nations that own them are attacked, and therefore the attack constitutes an act of war.

[Happy Times]

http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/iranians-pelt-austrian-embassy-with-fire-bombs/2006/02/06/1139074168793.html

[Iceman]

What's this world coming to? :nope:

an end...have a nice day. :)

[Iceman]

I changed from Paulus to Saulus, it seems. I do not like it, but let's face it - I have turned into a hardliner towards Islam.

Paulus to Saulus....Skybird sometimes you crack me up lol. :)

[Iceman]

I am not a racist either but I swear it's hard to call these people on streets burning flags as anything other than dirty brainless monkeys. It's disgusting, and shows governmtns there have absolutely no control. How did it come to this?...

see above post... have a nice day. :)

[SUBMAN1]

This is actually the funniest thing I have heard all day on NPR - These guys are reacting violently at the dipiction of Mohhamed as a violent figure!

"Mohammed is not violent! Burn down their embassys for that statement!!!"

I lauged for about 5 min straight. This has got to be a classic to add for the rest of history into the journal of the most hypocritical and stupid ideas of all time!

-S

[Happy Times]

In Iran yesterday they attacked the Austrian embassy with firebombs, now tonight they are attacking the Danish embassy with firebombs and trying to get in.

[STEED]

Advice to all embassy's closed due to hot heads that may help them not to be attacked or :huh:

[Abraham]

I wonder how much of all this "popular anger" is spontanious. Most Muslim countries are dictatorships, where popular demonstrations are either organised or brutally suppressed. And the weird thing is that these drawings were made months ago, in September 2005.
Now I hate unfounded conspiracy theories ("The Kursk was sunk by the Dallas", "Bush flew the planes into the WTC himself", "Osama Bin Laden is actually defending Islam") but I have the idea that some radical Muslim states like Syria and Iraq could well profit from all this.
Syria desperately needs international support after being castigated for its subversive terror campaqign against progressive Lebanese politicians and journalists. Iraq just got the message that the big 5 nationa voted to bring its breach of the non-proliferation treaty - as established by the International Atomic Enercy Commission - on the agenda of the Security Council.
What better way to drum up support from the - often oil-rich - Muslim nations (and energy depending nations!) but by "defending Islam against the infidels"?

[Konovalov]

I think you mean Iran instead of Iraq Abraham but yeah I was thinking the same thing. :yep:

[Abraham]

I think you mean Iran instead of Iraq Abraham but yeah I was thinking the same thing. :yep:
You're absolutely right, Konovalov.

[Etienne]

I don't see how encouraging your people to burn an embassy would endear you to anyone. The oil-rich countries are islamic as well, yet they aren't all that offended, and aren't reacting in that way...

And I don't see how Saudi Arabia might push the US - Or any western country - against Scandinavia over some cartoons. Burning embassy will not get you on anyone's sympathy list - Diplomats are supposed to be sacred.

If there was agitation, I'd look more toward countries that might have interest in sending troop into Syria and Iran to calm an insurection.