Interesting - a fatwa against Osama

[SUBMAN1]

Reading up on a couple things and I came across this - Interesting!

-S

We are interested to learn that the Islamic Commission of Spain, claiming to represent Spain's one-million-member Muslim community, has issued a "fatwa," or edict of death, against - guess who - Osama bin Laden! "The fatwa said that according to the Quran `the terrorist acts of Osama bin Laden and his organization al-Qaida ... are totally banned and must be roundly condemned as part of Islam'." Osama's position at this time is not enviable. May the will of Allah catch up with him!

[The Avon Lady]

This is ancient news (http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/005551.php).

[Skybird]

I must agree with that article. Don't like to have to agree with it, but I can't evade to do so.

[The Avon Lady]

Here's something a bit more recent (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,17930220%255E2703,00.html) and slightly related.

[TLAM Strike]

"The enemy of my enemy is still my enemy."
- Drago Museveni, C.Y. 8427

[SUBMAN1]

Here's something a bit more recent (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,17930220%255E2703,00.html) and slightly related.

That is very interesting, and exactly what everyone would want!

-S

[The Avon Lady]

Here's something a bit more recent (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,17930220%255E2703,00.html) and slightly related.
That is very interesting, and exactly what everyone would want!

If only it meant what you wanted it to.

Think.

The Saudis hate Islamic terrorists when they attack Saudi Arabia. Yet the Saudis export their Wahabbi Islamic terror around the world.

Think.

For a Muslim to attack a Muslim, that's forbidden. What about Muslims attacking infidels?

Think.

(Waiting for the usual Quranic verse quotation or 2..............)

[SUBMAN1]

Here's something a bit more recent (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,17930220%255E2703,00.html) and slightly related.
That is very interesting, and exactly what everyone would want!

If only it meant what you wanted it to.

Think.

The Saudis hate Islamic terrorists when they attack Saudi Arabia. Yet the Saudis export their Wahabbi Islamic terror around the world.

Think.

For a Muslim to attack a Muslim, that's forbidden. What about Muslims attacking infidels?

Think.

(Waiting for the usual Quranic verse quotation or 2..............)


You are assuming that the Iraqi insurgents are devote Muslims. That is the chink in the armor.

[The Avon Lady]

Here's something a bit more recent (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,17930220%255E2703,00.html) and slightly related.
That is very interesting, and exactly what everyone would want!

If only it meant what you wanted it to.

Think.

The Saudis hate Islamic terrorists when they attack Saudi Arabia. Yet the Saudis export their Wahabbi Islamic terror around the world.

Think.

For a Muslim to attack a Muslim, that's forbidden. What about Muslims attacking infidels?

Think.

(Waiting for the usual Quranic verse quotation or 2..............)


You are assuming that the Iraqi insurgents are devote Muslims. That is the chink in the armor.
You are assuming otherwise? State your case but I won't be replying again until tomorrow.

[SUBMAN1]

Here's something a bit more recent (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,17930220%255E2703,00.html) and slightly related.
That is very interesting, and exactly what everyone would want!

If only it meant what you wanted it to.

Think.

The Saudis hate Islamic terrorists when they attack Saudi Arabia. Yet the Saudis export their Wahabbi Islamic terror around the world.

Think.

For a Muslim to attack a Muslim, that's forbidden. What about Muslims attacking infidels?

Think.

(Waiting for the usual Quranic verse quotation or 2..............)


You are assuming that the Iraqi insurgents are devote Muslims. That is the chink in the armor.
You are assuming otherwise? State your case but I won't be replying again until tomorrow.

Your insurgents are typically Saddams men. Saddam was never that big on religion and I doubt very many of his croonies were either. Al-Qaeda however is Islamic. It is kind of like saying everyone in America's army is Christian to assume that all the Insurgents are Muslim or Islamic in religion.

And the idea that Muslims don't attack Muslims is a bit misdirected, since throughout history muslims have been fighting each other and the end result was actually that of rather great Empires such as that of the Persians (Conquered by Alexander the Great), or even that of the Umar that conquered fellow Muslims in their quest to conquer all of Arabia. Remember the movie Lawrance of Arabia? Muslim again killed Muslim again. So that part of the Koran must be the least ignored.

-S

[SUBMAN1]

Matter of fact, to assume that they are all Muslims insurgents fighting is like saying all Arabs are terrorists or that all insurgents are figting a holy war.

From what I understand, the insurgents are either ex Saddams men, typically from the military that want to kick the US out so that they can overthrow this Iraqi government and re-established the old Saddam Bathe party. Some I'm sure just fight as a way of feeling that they are fighting against American domination. The only religious group there is probably AL-Qaeda.

-S

[SUBMAN1]

A thought just popped into my head - Al-Qaeda frequently blows up Mosques in Iraq all the time, killing many fellow Muslims. So that directive is pretty much ignored in my book.

-S

[PeriscopeDepth]

Here's something a bit more recent (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,17930220%255E2703,00.html) and slightly related.
That is very interesting, and exactly what everyone would want!

If only it meant what you wanted it to.

Think.

The Saudis hate Islamic terrorists when they attack Saudi Arabia. Yet the Saudis export their Wahabbi Islamic terror around the world.

Think.

For a Muslim to attack a Muslim, that's forbidden. What about Muslims attacking infidels?

Think.

(Waiting for the usual Quranic verse quotation or 2..............)


You are assuming that the Iraqi insurgents are devote Muslims. That is the chink in the armor.
You are assuming otherwise? State your case but I won't be replying again until tomorrow.

From GlobalSecurity
Sunni Arabs, dominated by Ba’athist and Former Regime Elements (FRE), comprise the core of the insurgency. Ba’athist/FRE and Sunni Arab networks are likely collaborating, providing funds and guidance across family, tribal, religious and peer group lines.

The Iraqi insurgency is "only" commanded by the religious crazies. The people that fight for them are average joes who don't have a job and need to feed their family. The insurgency pays American dollars I hear. This is from a foreign policy professional who's been to Iraq several times.

PD

[SUBMAN1]

Here's something a bit more recent (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,17930220%255E2703,00.html) and slightly related.
That is very interesting, and exactly what everyone would want!

If only it meant what you wanted it to.

Think.

The Saudis hate Islamic terrorists when they attack Saudi Arabia. Yet the Saudis export their Wahabbi Islamic terror around the world.

Think.

For a Muslim to attack a Muslim, that's forbidden. What about Muslims attacking infidels?

Think.

(Waiting for the usual Quranic verse quotation or 2..............)


You are assuming that the Iraqi insurgents are devote Muslims. That is the chink in the armor.
You are assuming otherwise? State your case but I won't be replying again until tomorrow.

From GlobalSecurity
Sunni Arabs, dominated by Ba’athist and Former Regime Elements (FRE), comprise the core of the insurgency. Ba’athist/FRE and Sunni Arab networks are likely collaborating, providing funds and guidance across family, tribal, religious and peer group lines.

The Iraqi insurgency is "only" commanded by the religious crazies. The people that fight for them are average joes who don't have a job and need to feed their family. The insurgency pays American dollars I hear. This is from a foreign policy professional who's been to Iraq several times.

PD

THat is not what that says to me. Not sure how you draw that conclusion. To me that says that it is commanded by the former Ba'athist party with funds coming from many different locations. THe religious side could be Al-Qaeda itself. Maybe the AL-Qaeda element has dried up with this fight between them so maybe the religous funding just got axed! :)

-S

[Skybird]

Subman said, most insurgents where Saddam's men. That holds little truth. Saddam'S men are part of the insurgents - that way it is closer to reality.

Muslims killing Muslims - problem is that their scriptures are two-faced and highly opportunistic, imo. You can give quotes from them saying that tolerance is a virtue. you can also find quotes saying that "wrong believing" should not be tolerated, but punished in multiple cruel ways, and that there shall not be any mercy and tolerance towards what is non-Islamic. You can find quotes supporting the self-definition of extremist Muslim. you can also find quotes that seem to support less extremist Muslims. So it appears to the first, the muslims of the second kind are "believing wrong". They are correct, according to Islamic sciptures. The latter can give quotes from the same scriptures that make it seem as if the first are the wrong believers. A murderous kindergarten it is. Since their scriptures are made of pure opportunism (originally the opportunism of Muhammad wanting to realize his ambitions and intentions for power, later the opportunistic interests of those who interpreted the early various versions of the scrioptures according to the interests of those who payed them for that service), best way to judge this thing is judging it on the basis of it'S records of deeds in history. no other religion waged so many wars against foes of the the same faith. No other religion waged so many wars against enemies of different faiths. No other religion pushed so hard to overcome the neighbouring world. And this is what should tell everthing on what worth and value these scriptures have, if they led muslim people, tribes and nations to these ammounts of violance and intolerance during all Islamic history.

It's an irony, imo, that scriptures that orginally emerged from opportunistic preachings to validate and proove the intentions of a single man and that were molten into their form to fight off any critizism of this ideology, every oppositon to it, every different-believing, every doubting of it's claim that it is superior and has a right to demand global dominance over all mankind (until all world is Islamic and thus there can be peace - because no enemies are left) - that this utlimately is eternal source for unrest, violance and bloodshed amongst Muslims themselves. In a way the Ummah rightfully deserves to suffer from it's own hypocrisy that is displayed in it's scriptures. Fates of individuals may appear to be tragic to me, but my sympathy for the collective's suffering of that kind is very limited.

Different from the churches, who never were in correspondence with the teachings of Jesus (for they ursurped their power for political reasons and selfish goals), Islam does reflect the content of it's teaching to a wide degree and is very much in correspondence with it's teachings, with all it's contradictions and two-faced messages. If the churches would reflect Jesus teachings (and therefor give up their powerpolitical interests), and Islam would satop reflecting it's teachings and give up oin them, the world would be far better off. but then the church would not be what we know as the church, and Islam wouldn't be Islam anymore.

From "Kingdom of Heaven", a short quote that hit the nail right on top:
"Their prophet said: Submit! - Jesus said: Decide!"
Short and precisely. The difference cannot be any greater.

[The Avon Lady]

Well phrased yet depressing summation, Skybird.

[Iceman]

From "Kingdom of Heaven", a short quote that hit the nail right on top:
"Their prophet said: Submit! - Jesus said: Decide!"
Short and precisely. The difference cannot be any greater.

I subscrive to Netflix gonna see that movie in a couple a weeks...Intresting quote. :)