VIIc 1/72 scale

[Stalker of the deep]

Hi all after reviewing a recent link :-
http://hsfeatures.com/features04/u552cw_1.htm
which is about a model VIIC ive decided to give it a go my self. So on with my coat and down to the nearest model shop i went.. so far i have the hull all painted and assembled, and ive got to say its looking very good! the vent holes were a bit tricky to do but i managed! Since i added the rudders and diving planes the hull is really starting to take shape. The next bit is the deck, which is tricky also, cos i have to paint every little vent by hand then carefully paint round the vents with the deck colour then make 1mm holes for railings etc


i will keep you all posted and hopefully have some pictures of the construction stages to follow very soon

[Kaptan Tommy]

Wow! The details that model builder added are incredible. I'd love to have that sitting in my office here, but I'm afraid my skills and patience are lacking :lol:

When I was a kid (this would be early to mid 50's), I (and my mom - ahem) built a Revell model of a U.S. sub (probably a Gato class but I don't remember). I wish I still had it...

[Bluewings]

Thx for the link Stalker :)

One of the best model I have ever seen . The paint work is nothing short of extraordinary ! :o :D

Cheers .

[Kaptan Tommy]

YAR!!! I just clicked on that link to "squadron.com" to see what the kit looked like - and how much it cost. The kit itself is $72. A bit much, but hey, I might still do it. After all, it is over three feet long! But then, there's a list of "accessories" you can buy to add realism to the kit. Sorta like the 'mods' we have for SH3...

Well, if you buy all 14 accessory options, this will add another $266 (!!!). Gasp! Of course, you don't need all this stuff to have a great model, but I never realized there was an 'aftermarket' market for models. I've been out of the loop for many a year :lol:

I could see 'wanting' a number of those accessories though. This is cool stuff - and brings out the kid in me again (which is always here and is why I sit here playing SH3, and spend even MORE time reading the forums...)

[MidgetSub]

A few points on this model (Type VIIc in 1:72 scale from Revell)...

1) For those located near "Hobby Lobby" stores (www.hobbylobby.com)... please note that every 3 months or so, these stores have 50% off all plastic models. And, some of the stores do carry this kit (several Hobby Lobby stores near me do).

If you can't wait for 50% off, sometimes Hobby Lobby provides 40% off ANY item in the store. See their web site for coupons and sale details (which are updated every week by Monday).

2) There are several aftermarket items for this kit, including photo-etched decking (see White Ensign Models - although I beleive there are others also), interior pressule hull parts, crew, etc. Also, there are "Water Tight Cylinders" available for creating a fully operational RC model using this kit.

Midgetsub.

[waste gate]

Just picked up the Type VIIc in 1:72 scale from Revell at Hobby Lobby with the 40% discount (from their website) for USD$41.00.

Hobby Lobby is the place to go. Thanx for the tip MidgetSub.

[blackdog_kt]

I used to built airplane models when i was younger,since my father used to own a model shop. The best thing you can do to make it shine is apply 2 simple weathering techniques,once the model is fully built and painted. I don't know if you are familiar with them,but they are useful to anyone interested so i'll try to describe them.

First one is dry-brushing. Use this to create the effect of accumulated smoke on the tip of gun barrels by using a small,round brush for accuracy. Also good for exhausts using a bigger flat brush,as well as aluminum colour to simulate stripped paint from overuse of painted metallic surfaces( like the rims and deck on the bridge,or any metal handling levers/wheels on guns for example,you need to use the gun metal colour for that). Use a colour that resembles a smoke hue (or unpainted metal as stated above),this might by anything from black to brown or a mix of them,depending on the colour you're painting over. For example,a brownish black would do well for smoke trails on a gray undersurface like a U-boat. What you do is dip the brush in the paint,then brush across a paper napkin until the marks start resembling smoke trails. At this point you brush across the model surface you are interested in until there's no paint left on the brush,or the desired effect is reached. Repeat as necessary,but don't overdo it,you have to be subtle :up:

The second technique is known as wash. This involves use of solvent,so you need some knowledge of different colour pigments. Generally,model paints are divided into acrylic and enamel. A good solvent for acrylics is water (or window cleaning fluids for cleaning brushes) ,while enamels can be used with their own special solvent available in each model shop (or white spirit for cleaning brushes). Generally, the solvents used for brush cleaning are too harsh for disolving paints before use,so don't use white spirit or window cleaner for this technique. Especially white spirit might in some cases harm the plastic itself and ruin your model.

One last thing,acrylics dry much faster than enamels. You can touch an acrylic painted surface about 20 mins after the last brush,enamels need 1-2 hours. Of course it's not advised,as even then the paint is not fully dry and you might leave fingerprints. Enamels may take up to 5-8 hours to fully dry,while an hour or two should suffice for acrylics.

What you need to do with wash is add a relatively high amount of solvent to the paint before use (don't do it in the paint's can,use a small cup instead or you'll ruin the rest of the paint). Then you generously apply on all surfaces that have engraved details on them (like the deck grills or the sides of the hull),let the dissolved paint run among the lines for a few seconds and then wipe it clean with a soft paper napkin. This has the effect that the paint only stays inside the engraved lines where your napkin can't reach,essentially toning them and making them more visible,sort of like painting a shade. It's also good for simulating oil and rust leaks like those seen in the pictures of the assembled model. Adding solvent in the paint is the whole trick,as it makes the paint more or less transparent. Again,don't overdo it.

The tricky part is the solvent thing. If you paint the model with enamels and wash with enamels on top of it,when you wipe with the napkin the solvent will clean the underpaint as well. What you need to do is paint with acrylics and wash with enamels or vice versa. Again,the preferred colour mix for the wash depends on the colour of the surface you're washing over,like in dry-brushing. Look in the model photos posted in the link for reference and try as you go mixing.

The best thing you can do for washing? Paint with enamels (generally a lot more accurate colours to choose from in the enamel range),and then add an acrylic varnish coating. The coating must be thin,in order not to "seal" the engraved details(thin means solvent again,i think varnish works best with a special solvent,ask the guy in the model shop).Varnish coatings are also available in model shops,but you need to spray them,they don't work well at all with a brush. If you don't have an airbrush you have to choose an aerosol can.

After the varnish is dry,you can wash over it with enamels,since the acrylic coating will protect the main enamel colour from the enamel solvent in the wash. Use a gloss varnish coating,as it makes the surface smooth and let's the washing paint flow more smoothly. Since military vessels and aircraft rarely use gloss colours though,you need to make it mat again. Simple,when the wash is dry,spray one more thin coating of acrylic varnish,this time not gloss but mat.

With these two simple technics you can simulate a lot of effects of wear and tear the atlantic and the crew are performing on the boat. Generally,dry-brushing is used on the edges of surfaces,where people walk and touch things and wherever friction is present,for smoke trails and to add lighter tones as highlights on parts of a surface "sticking out" (by sticking out i mean the opposite of reccessed,the exact word escapes me at this time :rotfl: ).
Wash is good for adding shadows on reccessed parts of a surface and simulating leaks,as well as giving an all-around "been in use" image to your vessel.

Hope it helps,enjoy the building process :up:

[Crop-Duster]

Wow!

Someone should do a skin of that Type VIIC with the rust stains like that!

(hint hint @ Fubar ;) :) )

[Crop-Duster]

Oh ya btw check out this 1/72 u-boat and sub pen diorama :cool:

http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery/dio/dockyard/72-uboat-kq/kq-index.html

[Crop-Duster]

And this one :cool:

http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery/ss/dkm/u-201-72-gp/gp-index.html

[Marhkimov]

I'm so busy, or else I'd help skin some rusty/camouflaged u-boats. It would be easy because fubar's skins are very nice bases to work off of. They are practically as good as templates, if not better.

[Kaptan Tommy]

Those models are incredible! I can't imagine how much time must have gone into either of them. :up:

And - how do you keep the dust off them? :lol:

[Crop-Duster]

The first diorama the article said it took him 11 months to complete! :o

And i guess you could use alot of cans of compressed air to keep the dust away lol :)

[Deimos01]

Went to Hobby Lobby to try a find this one. No luck :down:

But, they said they would order a couple and have them in next week. :up:

Just hope they still have the 40% off coupons then. No way Im talkin the Ol lady into lettin me spend 70 bucks + paint and glue on a model. :nope:

[Kaptan Tommy]

Yeah, I'm with you, Deimos01. I can just see myself coming in the door with $70-100 worth of model and paint and accessories. That office in the back of the house? That could quickly turn into my new living space - ha.

But damn... That second model, I think, is the better of the two and just incredible. The detail he put into that rivals any of the best model railroad stuff I've ever seen. :up:

[Crop-Duster]

There's a couple of them on EBay for $60.

[Serverdaemon]

Oh my Gosh!!!
A $2500.00 model?!?!?!
How big is this thing?!????
http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=AELP02

S

[Crop-Duster]

lol

It says right on the site

77.5 inches (197cm) long

over 6 feet long!

1/32 scale

here it is

http://www.andrea-miniatures.com/market/AspsProductos/Detalle.asp?IdProductoDetalle=693

[Serverdaemon]

lol

It says right on the site

77.5 inches (197cm) long

over 6 feet long!

Didn't see it.

Cripes! That's a BIG model!!!!
Not worth $2,500.00 though...
:nope:

S

[Crop-Duster]

Look at the detail though

http://www.andrea-miniatures.com/market/AspsProductos/Detalle.asp?IdProductoDetalle=693

And it's not plastic

Fibreglass, resin and white metal parts

[Serverdaemon]

Look at the detail though

http://www.andrea-miniatures.com/market/AspsProductos/Detalle.asp?IdProductoDetalle=693

And it's not plastic

Fibreglass, resin and white metal parts

Oh I'm sure it's beautiful and would be nice to have... If I were making a movie or something!...
You must read Italian to glean all that from that page!
:lol:

As an aside, I notice that they airbrushed out the swastika on the flag for the photo's.
:D

S

[Crop-Duster]

Go here to select english page and then search for u-boat

http://www.andrea-miniatures.com/

BTW they also sell a finished and painted version for about $10,000!

:rotfl:

[Serverdaemon]

Go here to select english page and then search for u-boat

http://www.andrea-miniatures.com/

BTW they also sell a finished and painted version for about $10,000!

:rotfl:

*Ack... Ack... Sputter*
Ten THOUSAND?!?...

Arrrgh!
:doh:

S

[malcymalc]

For a look at the opposition why not try this page and check out the 1/72 Revell model references:

http://www.cbrnp.com/RNP/Flower/

If you look at the rest of the site there are some really nice colour scheme examples for corvettes throughout the war and some other stuff.

This link has a work in progress report on one of these models using one of the aftermarket products (a skylight with 120 parts in 1/72 scale?)

http://www.ripnet-uk.com/corvette/hms_campanula_1.htm

Funnily enough it is very hard to find Royal Navy seamen for these kits (I found three sets compared with umpteen for UBoat crew) - the figures that come with the kit are about as useful as many of the other parts. So you need to be very imaginative to produce a harbour scene.

But they certainly brought out the boy in me again (never far below the surface) - I remember pressing my nose up against the window of my local model shop when I was a kid looking at a made up example.

Regards
Malcolm

[Kaptan Tommy]

Holy crap! ! !

I originally thought the $70 price tag was a bit high on that other model. This one is over-the-top. But, that being said, it sure looks cool. And yeah, what's up with airbrushing out the swastika on the pictures? I guess political correctness is not just a problem here in the states. Arrrgh...

As cool as any of these models are, I'm looking around the house and trying to figure out where I could put one of these if I did decide to build one. Uh, not seeing anyplace that would pass 'inspection' by my wife (who just happens to think she has a "say" in what comes in the front door, and where it goes once in - ha).

I was thinking maybe on top of my monitor, but a three foot long Type VII just isn't going to fit. Maybe a picture of the model, reduced to fit, might be the ticket :lol:

Glad some of you were (are going to) take advantage of the Hobby-Lobby discounts on this Revell 1:72 model.

For those not near a Hobby Lobby, or unable to wait for a coupon or sale there...

Here is another opportunity. It is not quite the level of discount as at Hobby Lobby, but its not a bad deal:

Go to www.plastic-models.com (part of the Tower Hobbies empire - www.towerhobbies.com)...

The normal price there is $60.99. HOWEVER, there is a special in place until March 1, 2006.

The deal is on any order over $50, you get $10 off. Meaning that your price is $50.99, plus shipping.

You will need the "special code", which is : 010FL
(those are zeros)

(reference, page 73 of Fine Scale Modeler, February 2006)

MidgetSub

[Deimos01]

Picked it up yesterday. WOW! Found it at one of my local hobby shops and talked the guy into giving me a deal. 57 bucks. :up:

Got the hull together and started some of the gross painting. I have very limited experience with weathering effects and such so it remains to be seen how it will actually turn out. :hmm:

[Krieg-Schwein]

I just got this model the other day, I have been debating for a while now if I want to spend the time and build one or not, there is no question that I wanted one just did I want to build it or save up some ungodly amount of money and buy one built, and I decided that the amount I would have to spend for one built would get me a mediocre model that I could build for a fraction of that So I have finally broke down and got the model and an air brush. now I have spent the last 5 days trying to decide what colors I want to paint it. I have downloaded every picture of the VII C from Revell that I can find and there are quite a few!! and I'm still undecided on how I want to paint it..
I'm thinking I like the reddish hull would like to use authentic WW2 Kriegsarine colors but I am having trouble finding them on the internet...I know that in the SH3 forum there was a post one time that had a link to some what looked like official drawing with official paint schemes on them. I was wondering if any body had a link to these or knew of some links that had some detailed paint schemes for the VII C
pretty soon I'm gonna start sanding the hull to expose their holes and prep that for painting If I can just make up my mind on how I want to paint it :P
at the rate I'm going I may never even get it started :huh:

also should I use Acrylic paints or Enamel
Thanks!!!

[Deimos01]

Work is moving ahead nicely on this model. I have most of the construction completed and all the main painting. I am working on weathering and fine detail painting now. I must say that it is turning out quite nicely, especially given my lack of experience with this type of painting detail. I am doing everything by hand with brushes (no airbrushing). Once complete I'll try and figure out how to post some pics.

[Krieg-Schwein]

One question I have is should I build the Hull and deck and then paint them together or should I paint them first then assemble them? I'm working on the flood holes at the moment, there are some very small one next to the torpedo tubes that I have seen pictures of that have been drilled out but they are so small I'm afraid to touch them. I'm going to get a small hand type drill bit holder to day, I bought an air brush for 10 bucks and also a drilling tool with like 150 different bits and grinding attachments from Harbor Freight tool for 8 bucks It's cheap I know but I don't have the money to spend on a $50.00 drilling tool!
I think this will suffice for now!

I assembled the hull and deck before painting including the dive planes and rudders. I did the conning tower separate. I used spray cans on those pieces. It seemed to be pretty easy way to go. In previous models I would paint all that stuff first but found I then had to do a lot of scraping to remove paint from the glue surfaces. Masking is a little tricky but not to bad.

I wish I had a small drill tool. The flood holes would look alot better that way. I painted mine.

[Krieg-Schwein]

I assembled the hull and deck before painting including the dive planes and rudders. I did the conning tower separate. I used spray cans on those pieces. It seemed to be pretty easy way to go. In previous models I would paint all that stuff first but found I then had to do a lot of scraping to remove paint from the glue surfaces. Masking is a little tricky but not to bad.

I wish I had a small drill tool. The flood holes would look a lot better that way. I painted mine.


Thanks for the advice :)
Do you have a Harbor Freight Tools where you live? I swear for 8 Bucks you couldn't go wrong .. This set has around 60 different bits!
Drill Bits, engraving, cutting grinding Ect... and the drill tool is light weight and could be made portable with a Battery pack attached to it, If you don't have one in your town I could make arrangement's to get you one if you wanted..Ok the bits are a little cheap but not too bad and well worth the money. would expect to pay around 80 or more for a Dremel tool with the same amount of attachments,

FLASH!! I just got the Idea to look at up on the web..
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=41695

Its $9.99 here you could get it from the web catalog I guess.
Thanks for the advice and good luck!!