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kenijaru

01-18-06, 03:29 PM

just as the morse code post, i would like to make 1 but with the enigma machine.
you can download the enigma simulator from here:
http://www.simulacionnaval.com/Portal-Simulacionnaval/html/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=24
the link is called "maquina enigma oficial de sumulacionnaval.com"
(dont worry the program is in english)
you can download it learn to use it and then post msgs and decode other msgs. (just give all info needed to decode the msg)

tutorial:
1-open the machine by clicking in the white screw in the right side of the rotors. http://img498.imageshack.us/my.php?image=enigmacerrada15jb.png (the arrow with the number 1)
that should show the inside of the machine with 3 rotors, click on them and then click in the lower part (where 2 other rotors are plased) to remove them. you should see this: http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=enigmaabiertanorotor6nm.png (you can see 5 rotors in the box and the B wide reflector, let not touch the reflector for now.)
you can select the rotors by clicking on them and then clickin on the slot you want to place them on (for the first message i placed the 2nd rotor in the 1st slot, the last rotor in the 2nd slot and the 3rd rotor in the 3rd slot walzenlage 253)
if you click on a rotor but you dont place it anywhere you could see the ringsetting of the rotor (the A-01) and you can change it (B-02 C-03 and so on.) thats the ringstellung (for the msg i used LQV) you can see the ring setting here: http://img79.imageshack.us/my.php?image=enigmaabiertaringseting7wv.png

once that is setted you can press in the upper side of the machine to close it and move on to the next step, the steckerverbindungen.

http://img498.imageshack.us/my.php?image=enigmacerrada15jb.png (click near the arrow with the number 2)
and you should see something like this:

i cant load anymre imgs, i get "could not find server" so i will finish the tutorial as soon as i can.

i'll start:
walzenlage: 253
ringstellung: lqv
steckerverbindungen: ak em fh jq no ru
start position: ojk
msg:
GCFER IRHPL ZCPAX BYKWK VFAHU RDMOQ HCKXQ QFEBS BJS

kenijaru

01-18-06, 04:10 PM

Ok, i just don't get how to use it! I guess I'm so stupid! Well, can anyone make a tutorial with pictures on how to use it?
if you press in the square in the upper left side of the enigma machine or press f1 a help menu should open with instructions to use the program.

kenijaru

01-18-06, 04:16 PM

then duty calls, i'll use my (poor) english to make some kind of tutorial

Oberon

01-18-06, 04:50 PM

(edited for idiocracy) :damn:

kenijaru

01-18-06, 04:54 PM

ZEEX NAOI CTZC QYXG UIZL PPHL HKDI U

This is a very perplexing thing.

we cant decode it without the start position, the connections and the ringsettings :S

Oberon

01-18-06, 05:20 PM

Frankenstein

01-18-06, 06:19 PM

i'll start:

walzenlage: 253
ringstellung: lqv
steckerverbindungen: ak em fh jq no ru
start position: ojk
msg:

GCFER IRHPL ZCPAX BYKWK VFAHU RDMOQ HCKXQ QFEBS BJS

I think it says:

ZBMMW KUTHH PBDCR TIBHZ XPHUY
WYEFM FXVYX FOROL VCF

:o

Did I miss a step somewhere??? :damn:

Oberon

01-18-06, 06:25 PM

DMarkwick

01-18-06, 06:37 PM

i'll start:
walzenlage: 253
ringstellung: lqv
steckerverbindungen: ak em fh jq no ru
start position: ojk
msg:
GCFER IRHPL ZCPAX BYKWK VFAHU RDMOQ HCKXQ QFEBS BJS

Using the same settings:

VKDLM TQDWV WTNFA IDDFV QJIBS

Frankenstein

01-18-06, 06:42 PM

You're right, I had it set wrong.

Using the same settings as the original message:

SCSSG RUTOY TPNBB GHAQM IFRIU
KMLCK SUFGN WWUMK AVRSN FXFLT
ZQAPN BYJAM GIHIF GWNJZ IYKTG
VPUQS KZJZB AKRXF LYCHE VTF

Frankenstein

01-18-06, 06:48 PM

Using the same settings:

VKDLM TQDWV WTNFA IDDFV QJIBS

IJPON RUOKI OPTJY BYZGB BIAHD
CZESY SUDTQ QTPMK YMEBL :up:

Oberon

01-18-06, 07:03 PM

New settings

Walzenlage: (b) III V I
Ringstellung: HRD
Steckerverbindungen: BL FV GR DT SP WQ XH JM AU YE
Start: PHK

HZDDK DAQQL CJQBK VPMPL CUHTH HUUVJ XFGIE TRKQE DQRPY JEYBP BAWMZ SVPUS EHCCP NAHFZ GMXLV WENYM NRQIH OZKRF YFPLF WRYZD RTTYU QOIPV EPVUM TRAKR ZRLON XZUNM ENUWB SHRTS MHT

Farside

01-18-06, 07:10 PM

didn't u-boats have a 4 ring enigma machine? i'm sure they did.

Oberon

01-18-06, 07:23 PM

didn't u-boats have a 4 ring enigma machine? i'm sure they did.

:yep: :yep: Beta or Gamma rings at the start.

Frankenstein

01-18-06, 10:32 PM

New Settings (in keeping with the Naval tradition...)

Walzenlage: (b) Beta IV VII I

Ringstellung: PLZK

Steckerverbindungen: FR AN KE ST IW CV

Start: UGIV

VEEQ FZLO AKFA OACM CEGD OLNH SYPB TKUH EZFF XVOP QYUJ UMMP BRMA NAMV NENH EGAQ BOUA QHJO EGHL RDAE IVQO FHBS BWIS DRDY VHNG VDWN IA

Oberon

01-19-06, 05:28 AM

From the manual for my machine

"2. Set the start position to EHZ, the first trigram of the message

3. In this position, decode the second trigram TBS to retrieve the message-key. This should result in XWB

4. Set the decoded message-key (XWB) as start position on the machine.

5. Now decode the rest of the message..."

Basically it's a decode within a code. You set the start as EHZ, type in TBS to get XWB and then use that as the start for the rest of the message

DMarkwick

01-19-06, 07:12 AM

So when the Captain in Das Boot mentioned a triple-encrypted message, he had a further trigram to do?

Oberon

01-19-06, 11:59 AM

My bad!

Right, gonna try this again.

Walzenlage: (b) II IV V
Ringstellung: 1 19 10
Steckerverbindungen: AC NO UB WQ LX ZH JV YI KP TE

1st Trigram = EZH
2nd Trigram = TUP

HLVS UJWDZ DYIFT NNTZB WZSMA PIMMK VKH

Should hopefully read
THSIATESTTOSEEIFICANTYPETHSRIGHT

Alrighty, you've set up all the rings, rotors and plugs right.
Set the start to EZH and then type TUP which should decipher as YPD
Now set the start to YPD and type in the message.

Triple encoded...hmmmm....I guess that would be 3 Trigrams instead of two....Gonna give one of those a try in the next post.

Oberon

01-19-06, 12:22 PM

Valzenlage:
G IV I VII

Ringstellung:
HUQK

Steckerverbindungen:
BL DN ZR XV CT QW IA FY UO KH

1st Trigram: WGQE
2nd Trigram: BCDP
3rd Trigram: GXZM

Message
AYLJ

Oberon

01-19-06, 12:46 PM

:damn: B (I was doing so well with my instructions :88) )

kenijaru

01-19-06, 06:34 PM

settings: (thin B) Gamma V, III. VIII
ringsteilung: 16, 10, 22, 25
connections: bn xt mv de kr jg qz ow

msg from BdU:

1st thingy:WDBM
2nd thingy:ENEE

ICJB HDWY U

Frankenstein

01-19-06, 10:54 PM

kenijaru

01-19-06, 11:49 PM

Valzenlage: (C) Gamma IV VII VI

Ringstellung: 15 18 9 14

Steckerverbindungen: AK TB LU CV FN WI HY OR PZ

Start: ZFLE

YSQE YHIT XGPP NJWD SYIS
RCMY YQDW MRIE LVNT EURN
MXGN SJVP KRDL LOBN FVAJ
UHTS BFQW VVHO KAUK QCPT
OEVN GSVT PASL PWPM FJDY
QYFN NBMW YLGI WGZB KPAU
EPXK VDKB JCCY NEMQ YCPU
MSUC NOKN VNOZ QXPD HOPG
OSYY YPAK LWNZ DSCC FKLQ
AHMX WGLK XO

same settings:
SOSY UUWZ WQBH IRGP BBGJ ZAVE ASZG EAUV SEZA VTSL YWTC BPMS RQYL KQCP HDPF VFEN PTUY FTND CCQL HIMI VCOS IOIS RWXV XJRK XSOJ TEXA EXQF POAU AOKM TMKV NAXB BBSA PFSJ MAIO SEQB TQZD IDHC WRLZ AN

edit: another msg, this one can be picked up by these 2 settings:

wide B reflector + V IV III
ringsteilung: 10 15 22
connections: as lm dv kq gt iy zw
start position: zbf
thin B reflector + Beta V IV III
ringsteilung: 1 10 15 22
connections: as lm dv kq gt iy zw
start position: azbf

XCBQ YHCZ QYGA DWTY TQMS JNFJ PLMB PAPC IZHZ QQCA HYIU WRKE LANK VUBD QUYX VRBM WNLA WZYK CPUF PRVL AWOA ODSX
(sry about the spelling mistakes, i kinda wrote too fast and there are some letters missing and i would have to start all over again to correct them)

IronOutlaw

01-29-06, 10:20 PM

Sehr Geehrt!

I have been investigating using Enigma for a while now and thought the following may be of interest.

The first site below is a source of much information, with pics, from Bletchley Park. You will need to browse through the various parts of this extensive site.

The other site is by a dedicated Enigma fan in Holland, who is also very helpful with advice. I cannot recommend him highly enough.

It is, to me at least, the best Enigma simulator with a simple set of instructions.

He also provides a source of codes, BUT, whenever you generate a set of codes for a particular month it will be different from any other set generated for that same month. Thus people who want to use the sim must generate one set of codes then pass them on to all users.

If any of you guys would like to contact me at off site at <hmsironduke@ozemail.com.au> (it's easier for attachments), please feel free. I have a been working on creating forms to use with Enigma based on originals, as well as a manual based on the original German one.

Just for interest I also have a continuous A4 template for KTB's in Word.

http://www.codesandciphers.org.uk/

http://users.telenet.be/d.rijmenants/en/enigmasim.htm

Hope this helps!

Mit kameradschaftlichen Grüßen
Kapitänleutnant Wilhelm Weiß

NeonSamurai

01-30-06, 09:23 PM

Walzenlage: (c) G 7 3 8
Ringstellung: 18 11 24 15
Steckerverbindungen: AX BC TY HQ ZR JN EV GW FS

1st Trigram = WOYD
2nd Trigram = GMPV

AQGB SFBW OWGF YLVR
MHHY NBCM XXXY XHQQ
ZNYN QOVT GRHG RBKP
LCGO HJIB FJXN VXFI
XZFV VHDG POMX JG

;)

STEED

01-31-06, 10:22 AM

Interesting download that Enigma very useful as I am off to vist
Bletchley Park this year :)