Who is considering this Falklands Argie v Brit flight sim?

[Konovalov]

http://www.simhq.com/_air5/air_171a.html

and here:

http://www.thunder-works.com/news.htm

Looks promising.

[TLAM Strike]

If I had a better computer a working joystick and well the money I would get it…
Any word on system requirements?

[Bill Nichols]

I'm looking forward to it immensely!

[Oberon]

Mmmm, Harrier goodness. :up:

[micky1up]

duz it come with thick argie pilots who target the warships insted of the troopships

[Godalmighty83]

hmm what was the score again 21:0 ?

[TLAM Strike]

hmm what was the score again 21:0 ? Not if you count aircraft lost when those British Warships and the MV Atlantic Conveyor were sunk. Aircraft destroyed on the ground (or flight deck) count in my book. :ping:

[XabbaRus]

So is the sim going to be freeware or what?

[Godalmighty83]

hmm what was the score again 21:0 ? Not if you count aircraft lost when those British Warships and the MV Atlantic Conveyor were sunk. Aircraft destroyed on the ground (or flight deck) count in my book. :ping:

if you compare total loses the yes, but air to air combat they dont, as they are not in the air and are simply ground targets.

[lesrae]

If I had a better computer a working joystick and well the money I would get it…
Any word on system requirements?

In one of the forums, the writers quote some of the teaser videos they've released (http://www.thunder-works.com/media.htm) as being run on:

AMD AthlonXP 2400
NVidia GeForce FX 5900 Ultra
1Gb RAM
Microsoft Sidewinder ForceFeedback
Windows XP
Frap 2.60

So is the sim going to be freeware or what?

It looks like that was the original idea, with just a couple of programmers, but interest has been so great that they've now got a team on it so it'll no doubt be a commercial release.

[Kapitan]

i had the falklands campaign add of for CFS 1 2 was good this might be better well no might i hope

[lesrae]

Kapitain, not to rag you mate but as it's going to be in all your posts, your signature should be:

Gentlemen in light of this morning's events I'm compelled to remind you that we are meant to be monitoring thier ASW exercise ....... NOT PARTICIPATING IN IT !

Just saving Abraham the trouble ;)

[TLAM Strike]

hmm what was the score again 21:0 ? Not if you count aircraft lost when those British Warships and the MV Atlantic Conveyor were sunk. Aircraft destroyed on the ground (or flight deck) count in my book. :ping:

if you compare total loses the yes, but air to air combat they dont, as they are not in the air and are simply ground targets. If they are killed on the ground they should count double since someone f*cked up really bad.

[Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense]

WOW... did you see that shot of the Vulcan dropping bombs...

my favorite warplane... next to the B-52...

this looks great!!! :up:


--Mike

[sonar732]

I remember watching the status of this game 2 years ago. It looks promising!

[VON_CAPO]

It looks very interesting.
David against Goliath.

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http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/2108/pilotsandgroundcrewgrupo6decaz.th.jpg (http://img34.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pilotsandgroundcrewgrupo6decaz.jpg) http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/7195/super005o1qy.th.jpg (http://img380.imageshack.us/my.php?image=super005o1qy.jpg) http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/1784/yur5t7zn.th.jpg (http://img380.imageshack.us/my.php?image=yur5t7zn.jpg)

Look at the Royal Navy's last FLAK defense line. :hmm:
Pay attention to the Mirage in the first pic.

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/8761/hmsyarmouthphewmissedthatone9b.th.jpg (http://img380.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hmsyarmouthphewmissedthatone9b.jpg) http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/8696/hmsyarmouthalullintheairattack.th.jpg (http://img380.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hmsyarmouthalullintheairattack.jpg)

And this last pic is incredible :o :o :o

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/7765/coventryskyhawksattackmay25198.th.jpg (http://img380.imageshack.us/my.php?image=coventryskyhawksattackmay25198.jpg)

[Oberon]

One to add to that collection.
http://www.hrvatski-vojnik.hr/hrvatski-vojnik/0082004/bpictures/hMS%20Conqueror.jpg

[sonar732]

Just think if Argentina would've ultilized their submarines better against the British task force... :hmm:

[Skybird]

Just think if Argentina would've ultilized their submarines better against the British task force... :hmm:
That's exactly what I thought myself often, too...

[diver]

Just think if Argentina would've ultilized their submarines better against the British task force...

The problem was more the bad condition they were in and the poor training of their crew. By all accounts the San Luis was poised to cause some havoc but couldn't work her torps properly.

The other of there newer subs couldnt dive, not much use. And the two WW2 balao class were just as useless.

Training and funding were the decisive factors of the submarine chapter in the Sth Atlantic, and both of those were long since decided before the war was even imagined.

[Godalmighty83]

just imagine what would have happened if the british sub commanders were given free reign and didnt have to ask the prime minister to fire.

a lot of tonnage would have gone down.

[TLAM Strike]

Just think if Argentina would've ultilized their submarines better against the British task force...

The problem was more the bad condition they were in and the poor training of their crew. By all accounts the San Luis was poised to cause some havoc but couldn't work her torps properly.

The other of there newer subs couldnt dive, not much use. And the two WW2 balao class were just as useless.

Training and funding were the decisive factors of the submarine chapter in the Sth Atlantic, and both of those were long since decided before the war was even imagined. Yet the RN never sunk any of them. Forced them to beach but never sunk any in battle...

The boys at Electric Boat know how to buld them! :up:

[VON_CAPO]

Just think if Argentina would've ultilized their submarines better against the British task force...

The problem was more the bad condition they were in and the poor training of their crew. By all accounts the San Luis was poised to cause some havoc but couldn't work her torps properly.

The other of there newer subs couldnt dive, not much use. And the two WW2 balao class were just as useless.

Training and funding were the decisive factors of the submarine chapter in the Sth Atlantic, and both of those were long since decided before the war was even imagined.
I am going to comment this.

The ARA San Luis, a type 209 submarine, was operating into the combat zone, about 14 days ( I do not remember exactly).

She fired against acoustic contacts in two opportunities, and both were a complete failure because of the torpedos.

With regards to this, the crew tried to fix the glitch disassembling partially and checking the fire and tracking control system.
The guide wires that transmit data to the torpedoes were checked too.
But they did not find out what was going on.

Meantime, they were chased by the briton task force, and in the worst moment they saved their lives resting the sub on the bottom and shutting down every system.
The crew recalled this bitterly because the failure and the extreme cold inside the sub.

After the war, technicians from the german Telefunken went to Argentina because of the torpedoes's failure.
In the words of a argentinian navy officer: "The guiltiness is shared, the germans are guilty because a faulty design (he did not dismiss a on purpose negligence), and ours because we trust them and we never tested the equipment in a real launch."

After the germans repaired the malfunction, one torpedo was tested against a old WWII destroyer, from long distance, magnetic fuse, and under the keel. It worked fine and every body was happy, many data was recorded and pictures were taken.

Other San Luis's problem was a noisy propeller, she was scheduled to get into a shipyard that same year. This obligated her to travel at very low RPMs.

An argentine officer said too, that many equipments were not used during the conflict, because they distrust them, such as the airplanes's friend-foe identification devices (british manufacture).
Their words: "- Probably we will never know what kind of hidden features those chips are containing."

ARA San luis.
Background: carrier ARA 25 de Mayo.

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/9346/argentina10706vt.th.jpg (http://img15.imageshack.us/my.php?image=argentina10706vt.jpg)

ARA San Luis reloading torpedoes

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/7650/argentina10751yv.th.jpg (http://img15.imageshack.us/my.php?image=argentina10751yv.jpg)

San Luis's crew during their war patrol.
As you can see, it is very cold in there.

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Guppy Class 3rd Generation. A.R.A. "SANATA FE" S-21

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/5177/argentina10555jj.th.jpg (http://img10.imageshack.us/my.php?image=argentina10555jj.jpg)

Subofficer ARTUSO, killed in the attack to A.R.A. SANTA FE at GRYTVIKEN - 1982
Look at the old equipment. :o

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/8024/argentina11065ci.th.jpg (http://img10.imageshack.us/my.php?image=argentina11065ci.jpg)

Torpedo test, 1987.

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Periscope's view, a fishing boat.

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/9797/argentina11115hj.th.jpg (http://img32.imageshack.us/my.php?image=argentina11115hj.jpg)

[Konovalov]

Interesting info Von Capo. :yep:

[Wim Libaers]

Kapitain, not to rag you mate but as it's going to be in all your posts, your signature should be:

Gentlemen in light of this morning's events I'm compelled to remind you that we are meant to be monitoring thier ASW exercise ....... NOT PARTICIPATING IN IT !

Just saving Abraham the trouble ;)

And also change the "thier" to "their".

[lesrae]

And also change the "thier" to "their".

:oops:

Missed that one :O)

[U-214]

This is not about a game ,but for the real life.If anyone is interested,here is a tribute video of the Argentinian Airforce during the Falklands war:



Even if i am not Argentinian i felt moved by it.Look how low they were flying to avoid radar detection from the British ships.That same low altitute made many bombs not to explode on impact.

Regards

EDITED:File removed because wrong.Scroll down to my new post below with the correct link

[lesrae]

Look how low they were flying to avoid radar detection from the British ships.That same low altitute made many bombs not to explode on impact.

Operating in a way that makes your weapons ineffective isn't generally acknowledged as a clever thing to do.

[U-214]

Hmm,they changed the file in the link.I will try to find the one i knew.

Operating in a way that makes your weapons ineffective isn't generally acknowledged as a clever thing to do.

I agree in theory.In practice,you have two choices if your weapons aren't high tech.

1)Fly high ,risk to be blown out of the sky by AA missiles of enemy ships and aircrafts and lose your target (ship).
2)Fly low so to manage to arrive to your target undetected and take your chances with the crappy bombs you have.

[U-214]

OK,here must be the file i knew.54 MB

http://www.filefactory.com/get/v3/f2.php?f=3d4f4b138c694cb5d6b29231

Click on the free download option

[lesrae]

Agreed, but also:

3)Don't make war if you aren't up to it.

;)

[U-214]

3)Don't make war if you aren't up to it.

I agree.I m not saying they were or that politically they were sane to move like that while their preparation was nill and their infantry troops were completely untrainned compared to the Royal Marines.

I say that their pilots ,if not anything else,were brave.Very brave to dance like that between the British ships.You ll see in the new link i posted which has live action footage of the attacks on the ships.I hope it's the right video this time.I am downloading it myself to make sure.

[U-214]

P.S:I checked the new link,it is correct.It is the video i knew.

[Bellman]

:rotfl: lesrae:Kapitain, not to rag you mate but as it's going to be in all your posts, your signature should be:..'we are meant to be monitoring thier ....'

Wim LibaersAnd also change the "thier" to "their".

lesrae:Missed that one :oops: )

lesrae:3)Don't make war if you aren't up to it.

QED ? :-j

[lesrae]

LOL

Point taken :oops:, but in my defence I was just having a laugh with him.

[Bellman]

BOT - SVGA Harrier and Falcon Gold were my first two PC flight sims. Heck that was a long time ago.
Although the Harrier campaign was somewhat boring as success was dependent on constantly whittling away
bases with Mavericks, carrier landings and dogfights were great fun.

The Harriers chuckability, turning capability and climb rates made for some interesting dogfights.That is not to
downgrade the mud-moving fun in careful quasi -helicopter use of terrain masking.

Looking forward to seeing how this new sim pans out.

[Bellman]

:lol: ''Beer is for life, not just for Christmas.''

Engraved on my throat - :up: :yep: :ping:

[CCIP]

I'd like to see this thing run - if it delivers on the campaign promise, I think it'll make for a great sim. I'm not particularly 'educated' as far as this theater of war goes, so it'll be just another learning experience for me :)

[VON_CAPO]

This is not about a game ,but for the real life.If anyone is interested,here is a tribute video of the Argentinian Airforce during the Falklands war:

Even if i am not Argentinian i felt moved by it.Look how low they were flying to avoid radar detection from the British ships.That same low altitute made many bombs not to explode on impact.

Regards

OK,here must be the file i knew.54 MB

http://www.filefactory.com/get/v3/f2.php?f=3d4f4b138c694cb5d6b29231

Click on the free download option


:o :o :o
This is the first time I see those planes in a video flying so low.
Now I understand why the britons called that place "the bomb alley". :o :o :o

Thank you.

There is some videos about how the argentinians used the exocet missiles. I will try to post them.

[U-214]

This is the first time I see those planes in a video flying so low.

Yes,i haven't seen anything like that since WWII with the kamikaze...Low flying had advantages :

-Avoid radar detection and British AA defence until the last moment,so to increase the possibility to throw their bombs.The Argentinians had a handful of AM39 Exocet,which they used (in the video i posted there is an Exocet shot-the one in which you see the missile from above hitting the ship in straight line-).But they were very limited.The rest was free fall bombs,so low flying was permitting better accuracy.If they had more Exocets the war may have ended differently,as no CIWS was available at the time.

-Once in the area,avoid the lock from the AA missile guidance radar.The British had among others Sea Darts at the time.If flying too low ,the radar couldn't lock onto the plane.That explains the photo in the first page of that pair of aircrafts that fly just above the surface between a rain of AA gun fire.Also sea clutter was making the tracking radar of almost any AA missile have problems.

The disadvantage of course was their crappy bombs wouldn't explode often and that leaving the area intact was difficult.

That's why i said that they were brave.As the rest of their army,the pilots lacked advanced trainning IMHO.It is well known that they had semi-active radar A2A missiles ,but they were using them as "fire and forget" instead of illuminating the target with their radar until the missile was close enough to use its own radar.Only IR missiles at the time were fire and forget.No wonder why the British massacred them in air combat.




There is some videos about how the argentinians used the exocet missiles. I will try to post them.

I will be glad to see them if you find them :up:

Regards

[VON_CAPO]

Here they are. Videos (british source) about how the argentinians used the exocet missiles.

Video 1 = http://rapidshare.de/files/11543485/1.avi.html .

Video 2 = http://rapidshare.de/files/11543901/2.avi.html .

Video 3 = http://rapidshare.de/files/11545493/3.avi.html .

[U-214]

Thank you Von Capo.I dl the first 2,i won't dl the 3rd as i m bored to wait.Between the first and the second i had to wait 30 minutes.After dl the second now says i must wait 77 minutes.Duh.

Anyway,the first was the biggest one,so i guess i don't lose anything much important.

[Gizzmoe]

Here they are. Videos (british source) about how the argentinians used the exocet missiles.

Nice videos, thanks!

I´ve combined the three videos into one and recompressed it (28MB), if one of you 56k/ISDN guys is interested I will upload it to Filefront.

[Abraham]

Kapitain, not to rag you mate but as it's going to be in all your posts, your signature should be:

Gentlemen in light of this morning's events I'm compelled to remind you that we are meant to be monitoring thier ASW exercise ....... NOT PARTICIPATING IN IT !

Just saving Abraham the trouble ;)

And also change the "thier" to "their".
You guys are really helpful!
However, I've given up on Kapitain's capitals, dots & comma's...
At least for today.
:D

[VON_CAPO]

Thank you Von Capo.I dl the first 2,i won't dl the 3rd as i m bored to wait.Between the first and the second i had to wait 30 minutes.After dl the second now says i must wait 77 minutes.Duh.

Anyway,the first was the biggest one,so i guess i don't lose anything much important.
Here they are. Videos (british source) about how the argentinians used the exocet missiles.

Nice videos, thanks!

I´ve combined the three videos into one and recompressed it (28MB), if one of you 56k/ISDN guys is interested I will upload it to Filefront.

You are welcome. :up:

[Rotary Crewman]

Not the best image, but one for our boys

http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Falklands/bravo1.gif

Bravo November

Weirdly enough, i recently was taught loadmastering by one of the Loadmasters on that wokka wokka.

Excellent man :up:

[TLAM Strike]

I was just reading that an Argentine C130 managed to bomb and sink a British Tanker. Anyone have any info on this!?! :hmm:

Damn is there nothing the Herky-bird can’t do! :o

[badhat17]

Was an American registered tanker as I recall, wasn't exactly sunk in the traditional sense but after making port was considered beyond repair and later scrapped.

Edit,

Checked facts and I was close but this seems the official line.

http://www.naval-history.net/F52week11TF.htm

South Atlantic - Tuesday 8th sees the only non-belligerent casualty when two Grupo 2 Canberras mistakenly bomb the American-registered tanker "Hercules" then on passage to the north east of the TEZ. On putting into Rio de Janeiro, a UXB is found that is too dangerous to disarm, and the ship has to be scuttled off Brazil in late July.

[TLAM Strike]

Seems strange that we would name a tanker the British Wye but I'll take your word for it.

What did they do to her?

Edit: Yea your right she wasn't sunk. My mistake, but I still want to know what they did to damage her...

[badhat17]

We may end up at crossed purposes here with my fast edit before actualy seeing your reply. :)

When you said sunk I thought you were refering to the incident I have linked to but I can now see you meant the British Wye attack, don't recall the details on that but it did involve rolling bombs out of the rear of a C-130, another 'failed to explode' incident maybe ?

[VON_CAPO]

Seems strange that we would name a tanker the British Wye but I'll take your word for it.

What did they do to her?

Edit: Yea your right she wasn't sunk. My mistake, but I still want to know what they did to damage her...
We may end up at crossed purposes here with my fast edit before actualy seeing your reply. :)

When you said sunk I thought you were refering to the incident I have linked to but I can now see you meant the British Wye attack, don't recall the details on that but it did involve rolling bombs out of the rear of a C-130, another 'failed to explode' incident maybe ?
I found information here: http://www.naval-history.net/F62brshipslost.htm
Look at ""Saturday 29th May"".
The ship's picture here: http://www.navyphotos.co.uk/btwy1b.jpg

[TLAM Strike]

Thanks! :up:

Wow thats something, I wonder why I never heard about this before... :hmm:

[Kapitan]

South georgia is hundreds of miles from falklands, and the only damage from a bomb bouncing off the deck without exploding would probly be a dent and some scrapped paint hardly "sunk".

[Etienne]

South georgia is hundreds of miles from falklands, and the only damage from a bomb bouncing off the deck without exploding would probly be a dent and some scrapped paint hardly "sunk".

A heavy bomb falling on a merchant ship deck from any appreciable height would go straight through that deck (Hellllllo watertightness!), and possibly the tank top and double bottom. Depending on the cargo and all.

It'd be a bit harder with a general cargo, strenghtened for or carrying cargo on deck, or a container ship, but with a tanker, the bomb'd go straight through. That's if it doesn't rip out half the deck piping first.

Tanktop strenght on a bulk carrier (And those have pretty though tank top, because hellllllo concentrates) is usually about 20-25MT per square meters, and the hatch covers might be around 1 or 2 MT per square meters (Ballpark figure, here, for a ship not really used to deck cargo, so it's probably around what a tanker can take). A 500lbs bomb, with a surface area of say, half a meter (Although it'd be less than that, since it's cylindrical), is about... Ah, ballpark, 500lbs = 250kg, 250kg x 2 = 1/2 ton per square meter, and that's just sitting there. It hasn't been dumbed from an aircraft yet.

And, by the way, the British Wye was registered in London. Take a look at the picture Von_Capo posted.

[badhat17]

Decided to do some more research into the 'Hercules' incident to satisfy my curiosity about the outcome and came across this after several hours searching.

CHIEF JUSTICE REHNQUIST delivered the opinion of the Court.

Two Liberian corporations sued the Argentine Republic in a United States District Court to recover damages for a tort allegedly committed by its armed forces on the high seas in violation of international law. We hold that the District Court correctly dismissed the action, because the Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act of 1976 (FSIA), 28 U.S.C. 1330 et seq., does not authorize jurisdiction over a foreign state in this situation.

Respondents alleged the following facts in their complaints. Respondent United Carriers, Inc., a Liberian corporation, chartered one of its oil tankers, the Hercules, to respondent Amerada Hess Shipping Corporation, also a Liberian corporation. The contract was executed in New York City. Amerada Hess used the Hercules to transport crude oil from the southern terminus of the Trans-Alaska Pipeline in Valdez, Alaska, around Cape Horn in South America, to the Hess refinery in the United States Virgin Islands. On May 25, 1982, the Hercules began a return voyage, without cargo but fully fueled, from the Virgin Islands to Alaska. At that time, Great Britain and petitioner Argentine Republic were at war over an archipelago of some 200 islands - the Falkland Islands to the British, and the Islas Malvinas to the Argentineans - in the South Atlantic off the Argentine coast. On June 3, United States officials informed the two belligerents of the location of United States vessels and Liberian tankers owned by United States interests then traversing the South Atlantic, including the Hercules, to avoid any attacks on neutral shipping.

By June 8, 1982, after a stop in Brazil, the Hercules was in international waters about 600 nautical miles from Argentina and 500 miles from the Falklands; she was outside the "war zones" designated by Britain and Argentina. At 12:15 Greenwich mean time, the ship's master made a routine report by radio to Argentine officials, providing the ship's [488 U.S. 428, 432] name, international call sign, registry, position, course, speed, and voyage description. About 45 minutes later, an Argentine military aircraft began to circle the Hercules. The ship's master repeated his earlier message by radio to Argentine officials, who acknowledged receiving it. Six minutes later, without provocation, another Argentine military plane began to bomb the Hercules; the master immediately hoisted a white flag. A second bombing soon followed, and a third attack came about two hours later, when an Argentine jet struck the ship with an air-to-surface rocket. Disabled but not destroyed, the Hercules reversed course and sailed to Rio de Janeiro, the nearest safe port. At Rio de Janeiro, respondent United Carriers determined that the ship had suffered extensive deck and hull damage, and that an undetonated bomb remained lodged in her No. 2 tank. After an investigation by the Brazilian Navy, United Carriers decided that it would be too hazardous to remove the undetonated bomb, and on July 20, 1982, the Hercules was scuttled 250 miles off the Brazilian coast.

More at the following link but it's mostly legal jargon.

http://www.admiraltylawguide.com/supct/AmeradaHess.htm

One source gave the Hercules as being a 220,000 ton supertanker.

[badhat17]

http://supertankers.topcities.com/part-1/08b209c0.jpg


Fairly big then. :)

[Kapitan]

the wye most probably had a re inforced deck (as do all atlantic sea going tankers)

yes i agree with etinne but depending on certain factors hight speed and position the bomb hit.

[Etienne]

Why would you put a reinforced deck on a tanker, Atlantic going or not? They're longitudinally framed, and I figure that might give some more strenght to the deck (Plus the lack of hatchways), but still... Kind of pointless. You're not going to put any loads on the deck, and the Altlantic sure isn't either.

In a storm, you get bending moments, shearing forces and some general twisting of the structures. Ships are built with that in mind - But resisting those efforts as little - Scratch that, nothing - to do with weathering an unexploded bomb impact.

It depends on where the bomb hit, sure. But if it didn't breach the deck, it's a miracle.

[STEED]

Who is considering this Falklands Argie v Brit flight sim?

:zzz:

[Kapitan]

my stepdad served for over 20 years on tankers and other vessels, one being the M.V Stena Queen a ULCC she had a reinforced deck to cope with rough sea's.

stena queen was built in 1977 and paid off in 2003 work commenced on her demolition mid 2003 and didnt finnish till the end of 2004 normaly a tanker of that size only takes 24 to 30 weeks to smash to bits.

stena queen:

Length: 378M
Width: 67M
Tonnage: 458,000 tonnes

few other ships also have reinforced decks and bows to cope with special dutys.

the stockholm the ship that collided with andrea doria had a reinforced bow and forward deck.

the libberty ships had reinforced midships

list goes on

[Kapitan]

also how did the bomb hit did it slap the deck on its side or just drop like a dart ?

[Etienne]

Again, I see having reinforced framing to cope with rough seas (IE, augmented scantling, more frames, more longitudinals, etc), but I don't see how a reinforced deck would help - The definition of reinforced deck here being "Reinforced to support weight", like the deck on a general cargo, or the tank top on a bulk carrier. Unless it's some sort of experiment, the ship had really heavy deck piping, or you mean the reinforcement for the helicopter area.

Liberty ships had midship accomodation, it makes sense to reinforce amidship, since you have a permanent local charge (IE, ship's heavier there)

Many ships have reinforced bow and forward section (The forward part plus 4% of the lenght of a Ice Class 1A, 2% of... etc, etc...) for ice navigation. All bows have to be strengthened for slamming.

I don't see how a ship could realistically takes so long to break up. Was there asbestos onboard? Where was she broken up?

[lesrae]

Oh I love forum tennis.

Ahem....

Advantage Etienne.

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/lesrae/tennis.jpg

[Kapitan]

not all ship's have reinfored decks but some do, the ship my stepdad worked on the deck pipeing wieght in excess of 20 tonnes even more when the oil flowed threw them and the pipes were moving around putting great pressure and strain on the decks.

yes many general cargo ships do have reinforced decks Dart 8 had a reinforced deck (ship i worked on) but some dont the oil tanker prestige didnt and she sank after that double hulls in oil tankers were mandatory.

[Etienne]

Double hulls were made mandatory by the MARPOL convention, following the Exxon Valdez incident. The Prestige came after that, but as she was an existing ship (IE, a ship built before the new convention), she didn't need to conform to the standards of constructions. She was not, btw, a general cargo.

And reinforced decks wouldn't have saved her. She was essentially rotting from inside out (Heating coils in ballast tanks! That's a SWELL idea!)

Could you ask your stepfather what kind of reinforcement the deck had? I'm really curious.

[Kapitan]

ive sent four emails il post the reply when i get it he is three hours ahead at the moment so its 0105

[Deamon]

OK,here must be the file i knew.54 MB

http://www.filefactory.com/get/v3/f2.php?f=3d4f4b138c694cb5d6b29231

Click on the free download option

Here they are. Videos (british source) about how the argentinians used the exocet missiles.

Video 1 = http://rapidshare.de/files/11543485/1.avi.html .

Video 2 = http://rapidshare.de/files/11543901/2.avi.html .

Video 3 = http://rapidshare.de/files/11545493/3.avi.html .

The videos seem to be offline. Is there a way to still get them ?

Deamon

[VON_CAPO]

Here they are. Videos (british source) about how the argentinians used the exocet missiles.

Video 1 = http://rapidshare.de/files/11543485/1.avi.html .

Video 2 = http://rapidshare.de/files/11543901/2.avi.html .

Video 3 = http://rapidshare.de/files/11545493/3.avi.html .

The videos seem to be offline. Is there a way to still get them ?

Deamon

I am considerating that they got only 7 downloads, a one of them, just 3 ... a very low interest.

They are 142 Mb all together. :doh:

I can upload them again if you are really interested.

Let me know your answer.

[Deamon]

I am considerating that they got only 7 downloads, a one of them, just 3 ... a very low interest.

What a shame !

They are 142 Mb all together. :doh:

Yeah YEAH YEAH :rock:

I can upload them again if you are really interested.

Let me know your answer.

Let me explain this, Falcland war is one of my most favoured topics in modern naval warfare. That was my favouret scenario in Fleet Command. Although it could have been done better. It would be freaken awesome to play on the argentinian side in the Typ209. Unfortunately there is no typ209 simulator.

I love the Falkland vids and thought where i could find some of them. So i realy realy want them :D

Thank you very much in advance ! :D

Are you knowledgable on the Falkland war ?

BTW: VAN_CAPO you post here alot of great stuff! Are you a collector or something ?

Maybe i can offer you a few things too ?

Deamon

[VON_CAPO]

Well, I have packed the files.

I separated them in 2 parts. You will need both to decompress them.

The link to the first part is http://rapidshare.de/files/17700594/Exocet.part1.rar.html (78125 KB).

The link to the second part is http://rapidshare.de/files/17708641/Exocet.part2.rar.html (68925 KB).

I have the video uploaded by U-214, is awesome, real action, airplanes, bombs and missiles everywhere. With Guns and Roses music in background.
Probably I will upload it tomorrow. :yep:

[ABBAFAN]

I wonder if RFA ships will be modeled in the game.(after all they were crucial to keeping the task force operational.)

[Deamon]

Well, I have packed the files.

I separated them in 2 parts. You will need both to decompress them.

The link to the first part is http://rapidshare.de/files/17700594/Exocet.part1.rar.html (78125 KB).

The link to the second part is http://rapidshare.de/files/17708641/Exocet.part2.rar.html (68925 KB).

I have the video uploaded by U-214, is awesome, real action, airplanes, bombs and missiles everywhere. With Guns and Roses music in background.
Probably I will upload it tomorrow. :yep:

Great many thanks. Can't download the second one cose rapidshare tells me that i have downloaded already 80000kb today. Leave it please longer online . I will try tomorrow again.

Looking forward to the 214 clip :up:

Deamon

[Deamon]

Ok i got it. Great vid !

But it's not complete isn't it ? Do you have the rest of it too ?

Deamon

[VON_CAPO]

Ok i got it. Great vid !
But it's not complete isn't it ? Do you have the rest of it too ?
Deamon
The whole video is around 700 Mb.
Obviously it is no practical upload it. :-?

By the way, after the exocet missions, almost every navy realized that they were "naked" (or I can express it with more precision if I use the word "porosity") against this kind of attack.
The result was that they rush themselves to get as soon as possible the "Phalanx system" and, or equivalents . :cool:

[VON_CAPO]

Looking forward to the 214 clip :up:
Deamon

U-214's movie: http://rapidshare.de/files/10127281/___Vgroup___Argentine_Air_Force_In_The_Malvinas_Wa r_por_Charlie1232_.wmv.html
(55649 KB).
:cool:

[Deamon]

Looking forward to the 214 clip :up:
Deamon

U-214's movie: http://rapidshare.de/files/10127281/___Vgroup___Argentine_Air_Force_In_The_Malvinas_Wa r_por_Charlie1232_.wmv.html
(55649 KB).
:cool:

A big thanks for your efforts VON_CAPO :up:

Great vids!

BTW: What is the title of the Falkland docu ?

Deamon

[VON_CAPO]

BTW: What is the title of the Falkland docu ?

___Vgroup___Argentine_Air_Force_In_The_Malvinas_Wa r_por_Charlie1232_

Deamon
I think it is a reference to the guy who created this file; "por_Charlie1232 = by_Charlie1232".

35mm Oerlikon system.
The britons tried to deactivate these batteries many times shooting Shrikes antiradar missiles, but the guys in the control trucks always shut down the antenna emissions before the missiles got a good lock on them.
These systems operated until the last day of the war, keeping the harriers away.

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/2985/oerlikon9bx.th.jpg (http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=oerlikon9bx.jpg) http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/9243/skyguard44gr6xs.th.jpg (http://img521.imageshack.us/my.php?image=skyguard44gr6xs.jpg) http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/648/fkpost108qq.th.jpg (http://img521.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fkpost108qq.jpg)

[Deamon]

BTW: What is the title of the Falkland docu ?

___Vgroup___Argentine_Air_Force_In_The_Malvinas_Wa r_por_Charlie1232_

Deamon
I think it is a reference to the guy who created this file; "por_Charlie1232 = by_Charlie1232".

I mean the title of the video from that the other two clips you showed me ?

35mm Oerlikon system.
The britons tried to deactivate these batteries many times shooting Shrikes antiradar missiles, but the guys in the control trucks always shut down the antenna emissions before the missiles got a good lock on them.
These systems operated until the last day of the war, keeping the harriers away.

Interesting. Maybe they should have shooted one Shrikes and after a while send another to the same direction and when the first missed and they think the air is clear and shut on radar - BOOOM :-j

I guess thats where the super expensive Stealth bombers pays off.

Deamon

[Deamon]

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/648/fkpost108qq.th.jpg (http://img521.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fkpost108qq.jpg)

Hey hey, you play Flashpoint too ? What is the status of the Falkland mod ? Is it near finish ?

Deamon

[thyro]

http://www.simhq.com/_air5/air_171a.html

and here:

http://www.thunder-works.com/news.htm

Looks promising.



The land seem prety naked! :hmm:

[VON_CAPO]

35mm Oerlikon system.
The britons tried to deactivate these batteries many times shooting Shrikes antiradar missiles, but the guys in the control trucks always shut down the antenna emissions before the missiles got a good lock on them.
These systems operated until the last day of the war, keeping the harriers away.

Interesting. Maybe they should have shooted one Shrikes and after a while send another to the same direction and when the first missed and they think the air is clear and shut on radar - BOOOM :-j

I guess thats where the super expensive Stealth bombers pays off.

Deamon
Correction:
When the harrier launchs the missile, it is lock already; but if the emissions disappear, the missile unlocks, falling away from the target.
That happened in 1982. I do not think that that can be possible with a weapon version 2006, because of the integrated GPS.

Also, those sytem can be used by radar and optics.
If you pay attention to the picture, you should see a lenses. These lenses have several capacities such as: infrared, zooming, etc.
So, you can fight without radar, and, or laying in the general data of a remote radar (early warning).

[VON_CAPO]

The land seem prety naked! :hmm:
Yes it is. That is the real terrain. :yep: :yep: :yep:

[badhat17]

Shrike was not delivered from a Harrier, they were deployed from the Vulcan used in the Black Buck missions.

[VON_CAPO]

Shrike was not delivered from a Harrier, they were deployed from the Vulcan used in the Black Buck missions.
My mistake, Sir.

[Linton]

A colleague of mine was the Victor tanker leader who gave so much fuel to the Vulcan he almost ran out himself on the way back!He got the AFC for it.I also have another colleague who was a pilot on one of the ground attack harriers.

[VON_CAPO]

A little video with live audio from HMS Fearless under attack.

http://rapidshare.de/files/18948135/Bomballeywithaudio_from_the_hms_fearless.wmv.html (958 KB)

[ABBAFAN]

very interesting video.where do you get hold of these things?
i kept hearing references to a scouse bloke.

[ABBAFAN]

will this video delete itself after 30 days?

[TteFAboB]

I guess he was there.

VON_CAPO is just a nickname, his real name is VON_DRACULA, immortal, eternally seeking for fresh blood, nothing better than going to a war zone, it's not like he can be killed anyway, but since he was on the British ship, I suppose he made a deal with them to suck only the Argies. I never tasted British blood, but if he doesn't drink it, it can't be good. Maybe he took a nib at Prince Charles and learned the lesson that way.

Who knows. Sorry for revealing your secret VON_CAPO, but I'm more of a Werewolf myself. :hulk:

[Deamon]

A little video with live audio from HMS Fearless under attack.

http://rapidshare.de/files/18948135/Bomballeywithaudio_from_the_hms_fearless.wmv.html (958 KB)

Odd, when i download it it's only 8KB big.

Deamon

[ABBAFAN]

when is this game due out in the uk?

[VON_CAPO]

Sorry for revealing your secret VON_CAPO, but I'm more of a Werewolf myself. :hulk:
:-j :-j :-j


Odd, when i download it it's only 8KB big.
Deamon
I tried it and works good.
Download it again. :yep:

[VON_CAPO]

S-31 A.R.A. Salta

Blueprint:
http://img271.imageshack.us/img271/8214/planolg9zu.th.jpg (http://img271.imageshack.us/my.php?image=planolg9zu.jpg) http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/5915/dib2094yd.th.jpg (http://img170.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dib2094yd.jpg)

First plane: ARA Salta, in background: 2 new subs class TR-1700.
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/3313/02209x33x0ek.th.jpg (http://img170.imageshack.us/my.php?image=02209x33x0ek.jpg) http://img271.imageshack.us/img271/7475/042093x7ql.th.jpg (http://img271.imageshack.us/my.php?image=042093x7ql.jpg)

After a 50 days patrol:

http://img271.imageshack.us/img271/4958/0550dias19755x1ar.th.jpg (http://img271.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0550dias19755x1ar.jpg)

In Domeq Garcia Shipyard, in Buenos Aires.
Notice the size of the ribs, taking in count the proportion. :o

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/2439/15endomecq1nc.th.jpg (http://img170.imageshack.us/my.php?image=15endomecq1nc.jpg) http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/1463/18209parts0at.th.jpg (http://img170.imageshack.us/my.php?image=18209parts0at.jpg) http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/9066/20209parts9mh.th.jpg (http://img259.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20209parts9mh.jpg)

Showing the pasive array:
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/81/domecqgarcia2004film0804031024.th.jpg (http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=domecqgarcia2004film0804031024.jpg)

Several pics:

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/6480/salta11rn.th.jpg (http://img172.imageshack.us/my.php?image=salta11rn.jpg) http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/9203/salta28uo.th.jpg (http://img190.imageshack.us/my.php?image=salta28uo.jpg) http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/6663/salta35kx.th.jpg (http://img172.imageshack.us/my.php?image=salta35kx.jpg) http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/4405/27209salta1nu.th.jpg (http://img170.imageshack.us/my.php?image=27209salta1nu.jpg)

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/3227/salta44br.th.jpg (http://img172.imageshack.us/my.php?image=salta44br.jpg) http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/1293/salta3oz.th.jpg (http://img190.imageshack.us/my.php?image=salta3oz.jpg) http://img271.imageshack.us/img271/2707/162093pd.th.jpg (http://img271.imageshack.us/my.php?image=162093pd.jpg)

[Kapitan]

Some very nice pics of them type 1700's :up:

[kenijaru]

just a few things:
it takes HUEVOS (eggs) to fight against a military super power like England! :yep:

and i repeat: it takes HUEVOS, i didnt said it was a smart move.

and, why dont they make a game in wich the player drives a super hornet and has to attack stationary targets?

or better yet, a tank sim.... Poland '39 you are part of the SS panzergruppe and you enter poland, use your panzer's cannon to repel the chivalry.... armed with....... SPEARS! :up:

[VON_CAPO]

just a few things:
it takes HUEVOS (eggs) to fight against a military super power like England! :yep:

My dear friend from las Pampas.

The idea of this thread is not to express political commentaries, but to comment a game.

If you do not have the idea, you will get only a massive disapprobation.

There are many britons posting here, and if you read carefully, you will notice a general respectful tone.

So, do not stain the thread with patriotic sharp remarks, this is not a football game.

Or, let me put it more clear for you in your own language:
- No loquitos exaltados, estamos? :|\