america good?

[Kapitan]

OK THIS IS NOT TO CAUSE FLAMING, ROWING, OR ANY KIND OF UN HEALTHY ARGUMENT AND THREATS.

JUST SOME VIEWS ON AMERICAS POLICYS PLEASE AND KEEP IT TOGETHER AND AT A LEVEL TONE,

OR POST GETS LOCKED



Smoe of america's policys are a bit radical some are good, however i have a fear that some day policy will go to far and well down it goes.

any input that is not flaming, or what is aboved mentioned welcome this is only to be a nice easy discussion NOT a mud wrestling match.

[Abraham]

OK THIS IS NOT TO CAUSE FLAMING, ROWING, OR ANY KIND OF UN HEALTHY ARGUMENT AND THREATS.

JUST SOME VIEWS ON AMERICAS POLICYS PLEASE AND KEEP IT TOGETHER AND AT A LEVEL TONE,

OR POST GETS LOCKED But do you have the keys?
:o

Abraham
(with moderator cap in hand!)
:D

[Takeda Shingen]

Abraham, are you a moderator?

[Abraham]

Abraham, are you a moderator?

This is what the caption of the General Topic Forum says:

General Topics
Moderators: Neal Stevens, John Channing, Drebbel, Abraham

If you still don't believe it I will have to prove it with our mighty moderator powers.
:D

Abraham
(with moderator cap still in hand)

[Takeda Shingen]

Don't threaten me. I'm only toying with you.

[bradclark1]

Forgive Abraham Takeda. He just likes making sure everyone knows he's a moderator. :lol:

[Sixpack]

Dont feed the troll ! :o (No Abe, I am referring to Kaptain LOL)

[Oberon]

http://www.mawwfire.gov.uk/images/press_highlights/caldey_old_engine.jpg

Right, I'll bring in some stuff to prepare this thread.

Any which road, speaking as a person living in the UK, although I do agree that recent US policies have sometimes been a little radical, they helped us out when we needed it before and for that I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt for the time being.

[Abraham]

http://www.mawwfire.gov.uk/images/press_highlights/caldey_old_engine.jpg

Right, I'll bring in some stuff to prepare this thread.

Any which road, speaking as a person living in the UK, although I do agree that recent US policies have sometimes been a little radical, they helped us out when we needed it before and for that I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt for the time being.
But they stole your fire trucks, didn't they?
:o

[Abraham]

Don't threaten me. I'm only toying with you.
You got me hook, line & sinker, Tak...

Abraham
(with moderator cap on belly)

@ all:
At least you know you'll all be watched, so behave as you were ordered by our Kapitain!
:D

[Takeda Shingen]

It's okay, I'm not mad either. Just trying to hijack the thread before the hoo-haa hits the fan.

Anyway, let's get back to what is most important: That firetruck does not seem adequately secured. This constitutes a great hazard to any nearby observers. I am seeking to hold Oberon personally accountable for posting that picture and threatening the saftey of the members of this forum. For shame.

[Oberon]

But they stole your fire trucks, didn't they?
:o

S'ok, our firefighters were probably on strike anyway ;)

As for the firetruck not being secured properly, I hold my hands up in shame but offer a free digital gift to help prevent any injuries.
It may also come in handy should this thread be taken seriously by anyone.
http://www.alanaecology.com/acatalog/74012-L.jpg

[Konovalov]

But they stole your fire trucks, didn't they?
:o

S'ok, our firefighters were probably on strike anyway ;)

As for the firetruck not being secured properly, I hold my hands up in shame but offer a free digital gift to help prevent any injuries.
It may also come in handy should this thread be taken seriously by anyone.
http://www.alanaecology.com/acatalog/74012-L.jpg

The firefighters may be striking again but cut them some slack. In todays society here in Britain firefighters no longer are exposed to just the dangers of fighting fires. British thugs are attacking firefighters at an alarming rate as indicated here:

http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/men/news/s/167/167813_battle_to_halt_the_fire_hate_thugs.html

And there is this report today by Sky News:

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1209153,00.html

Scary stuff. What next? Will firefighters have to be armed with 9mm's or something? :nope:

[Oberon]

Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm all for them getting a pay rise considering what they go through. My Granddad used to be a firefighter and was one of the original (I believe) members of the FBU (though not 100% sure on that, will have to ask him when I see him next) so when the strikes were on I sure as hell wasn't one of the ones complaining about it. :up:

I was just trying to think up a witty comment for the moment ;) :up:

[Konovalov]

That's cool. In addition to the firetruck a few water bombing aircraft and helos might come in handy. :up:

[Takeda Shingen]

Don't forget smokejumpers. Maybe we can get Howie Long.

[retired1212]

sorry the brig is already full :D

[Abraham]

That's cool. In addition to the firetruck a few water bombing aircraft and helos might come in handy. :up: But then the heli's will steal the fire trucks again and the whole thread is back to post eight!
:D

[Konovalov]

That's cool. In addition to the firetruck a few water bombing aircraft and helos might come in handy. :up: But then the heli's will steal the fire trucks again and the whole thread is back to post eight!
:D

:lol: :lol:

Kapitain,

All jokes aside you could have worded this topic a little better. For a start you didn't have to go with the massive font, CAPS, and in red. Also it would have been better if your opening statement didn't begin with something like "Now I don't want to start off some flame war here!" Also it would have helped if you set the agenda of the topic with a little bit more direction. An example would be "Is United States foreign policy on the right track or the wrong track? State you position/opinion and reasons for this."

By doing something like this you may avert being labelled a Troll. I don't think there is anything wrong with the topic itself. It is just how you presented it which lends it not to be taken very seriously. :up:

[Iceman]

Umm..Ughh...America Bad..

.....One for Good Two for Bad....Definately Bad...Definatley.

K-Mart Sucks...lol

[CCIP]

K-Mart Sucks...lol

For once we totally agree :yep:

:up:

***

Actually, I love America as a land and Americans as people, generally speaking. I don't like America as a 'model society' or America as the superpower, however.

[Iceman]

K-Mart Sucks...lol

For once we totally agree :yep:

:up:

***

Actually, I love America as a land and Americans as people, generally speaking. I don't like America as a 'model society' or America as the superpower, however.

Well whenever the mighty Maple Leaf steps up maybe we can all sit back and see how it is supposed to be done....Armchair Quaterbacking lol...

[CCIP]

:lol:

Canada ain't no 'golden leaf', either. I'm not sure what is. There's no country that's full of only smart people :hmm:

[Pigfish]

Well the topic is about American foreign policy. I just read this and thought it was interesting. I have to admit I shake my head with a lot of my southern neighbors policies the last few years:

http://www.defencetalk.com/news/publish/article_004678.php

[Sea Demon]

Well the topic is about American foreign policy. I just read this and thought it was interesting. I have to admit I shake my head with a lot of my southern neighbors policies the last few years:

http://www.defencetalk.com/news/publish/article_004678.php

Well, I don't see Canada stepping up to the plate to try and solve any of the world's security issues. As a matter of fact they don't have the resources or the will to do it. It's easy to sit back and whine and moan about everything. By the way, Hugo Chavez could end up being a pain in Canada's rear-end also. It's not that hard to see that. But at any rate, I see Canada (like Europe) creating their own internal problems through massive, unfettered immigration from the Islamic world. I wonder how long Canadians will allow this. Will Canada call for America's help in the future if they need it? Yes, we Americans have plenty of criticisms about Canada as well.

[TteFAboB]

Well the topic is about American foreign policy. I just read this and thought it was interesting. I have to admit I shake my head with a lot of my southern neighbors policies the last few years:

http://www.defencetalk.com/news/publish/article_004678.php

What do you find interesting about that link? I'm not sure if you disapprove it or if you are amazed to find something that pleased you.

By the way, I know how hard it is to get information about South America, just in case you are not properly informed, Brazil also wants to sell Fighter-Bombers to Venezuela and since these planes have alot of parts built inside the USA (along with technology) the Brazilian government was asked not to sell them.

[kiwi_2005]

America Good:
Seawolf
F16
Hollywood
beautiful woman only on telly or movies but ones that make your jaw drop to the floor
The Boss Mustang
Bill gates
xbox360
music
cartoons
Movie stars
Gridion
Nascar racing
windows95
The Thompson Machine gun
Las vegas. lol
The Harley Davidison
And Elvis.

With eastern accent "Bad bad American:"
Tobbacco advertisement
Fastfood inventions - the hotdog with mustard!!!?
The Big Mac
Porn
Cocaine
More beautiful woman
The Bikini
Satanic heavy metal
The church of Satan by LeVay ( only in America)
Arnold Swartsenneger
Nixon
Over done tv commericals especially the get fit in 14days and have ripple abs
Flower power
The F word...


:arrgh!:

[joea]

No no no, bikini gooooooooooood plus I think it was a Frenchman that invented it. Arnie was Austrian (though they have disowned him it seems). Beautiful women good and bad? OK. :hmm: Otherwise your list meets my approval kiwi. :up:

[Mustang]

Bill Gates?
Are you frakking kidding me!

As an American seeing topics like this I am caught between a rock and a hard place. I'm not the ideal patriot but I do Love my family and they are Americans so instead of saying America is good or bad I'll say America and Americans are a group of people with many different backgrounds and culture.

America isn't such a bad place, it has many things that many countries do not. To be honest I think its star achievement though at times corrupt is its Judicial system. I mean sure crooks get off at times but this is the only country I know of where a man can find a good enough defence to save himself. That may be wrong but the thing is its a freedom, a right he has that he would get nowhere else and if he really wasn't the crook then he was saved because somehow he had sufficient evidence. America is a double edged blade it is 50/50 everything so it will have points where its bad points outweigh the good ones but it always, /ALWAYS/ balances itself. We're not all that bad we haven't had a race riot in ages and nor have we had a holy war. I don't know for sure though, because sadly America is misinformed. Our media is more corrupt then our government so I couldn't tell you what is going on outside of what I see when I walk out my door.

So bash the government, but blame the aristocrats. It is the rich people who run those parts of the U.S. and they have grown so powerful that the people can't stand against them. But The American people, and I can't speak for all of us or the majority because I just know my friends, my family, my neighbors, my co-workers, hell even my boss are good people and would do anything to help anyone. No matter their creed, because we all have done it before. And we did it Without the fancy helicopters, or the 1000 manpower or the infinite amounts of money.

We do what we can, me and my little community. So to be honest I can't say All Americans are this or that nor this group of Americans approves this and not that. So if you can do it, please tell me how, because I'm an American and haven't been able to do it in 30 Years.

America is not a single people we are many people. I think I remember once Australia had some media guy say he'd, "pay for anyone who assaults any American they see.".. Another media person wrote in reply, " Good Luck with that, Americans are all different colors, all different shapes and sizes. They have many accents ranging from Asian to Canadian. They have all sorts of different religions and beliefs. So The only way to find one besides looking at his passport, was to hear his accent but even then you may mistake a Canadian and oppress the wrong countrymen rather then oppressing the one you wanted."
word for word, I'm unsure if that's what it said but the point is people make America, America doesn't make people and right now the idiot people are in charge but they won't be for long because it will balances itself out.

Hope that helps in helping you define what America is before giving opinions on it,
Mustang

[August]

No no no, bikini gooooooooooood plus I think it was a Frenchman that invented it.

Bikini doesn't sound like a French word. I thought the bikini was named after Bikini atoll where the US did all those nuke tests in the 50's.

[joea]

I think it was a Frenchman who invented it and named it after the tests going on in Bikini at the time. In any case because the effect was like a bomb. :know:

Yes I googled: :-j

http://www.bikiniatoll.com/Bikiniwaxing.html

HISTORICAL TIMELINE OF THE BIKINI BATHING SUIT

FROM PEOPLE MAGAZINE (A revealing history of the timeless two-piece)

1946: An explosive year. Bikini Atoll becomes no Bikini at all. In Paris, engineer Louis Reard quietly unveils a swimsuit of the same name. The world yawns.

1951: Bikinis, perhaps seen as an unfair advantage to the wearer (and as potentially dangerous to the health of some judges) are banned from beauty pageants after the Miss World Contest. The tasteful one-piece reigns supreme.

1957: Bikini-clad Brigitte Bardot frolics in "And God Created Woman," creating a hot market for the swimwear. Coincidentally, Hollywood markets 3D glasses in theaters.

1960: Brian Hyland sings "Itsy Bitsy Teenie Weenie Yellow Polka Dot Bikini," triggering a bikini-buying spree among American teens.

1963: The bikini meets a challenge in the generous form of Annette Funicello. The ex-mouseketeer's "Beach Party," with singer Frankie Avalon, leads to six sequels, including the memorably titled "How to Stuff a Wild Bikini" (in 1966). No special effects were used.

1964: The bi- ("two") kini becomes the mono- ("one") kini, in the eyes of designer Rudi Gernreich. The Vatican denounces the topless garb. An unrepentant Gernreich sells more than 3,000 suits in less than a season in Europe. More Americans go abroad.

1966: The bikini grows fur in "One Million Years B.C.," which catapults comely cavegirl Raquel Welch to stardom despite mixed reviews of the saggy screen saga.

1970s: Rio and St. Tropez produce the Tanga suit-- also called the Thong, the string bikini or "dental floss." The uncomfortable design becomes de rigeur for teen posters, muscle car magazines and boxing ring girls who announce the rounds.

1983: Carrie Fisher, as Princess Leia, wears an ornate version of the bikini (studded collar optional) in "Return of the Jedi." Even Yoda notices. The film is the most successful of the George Lucas trilogy.

1993: Score one for the "sports bikini." The hugging halter-top design becomes the rage, thanks to Volleyball queen Gabrielle Reece and MTV.

[Pigfish]

What do you find interesting about that link? I'm not sure if you disapprove it or if you are amazed to find something that pleased you.

By the way, I know how hard it is to get information about South America, just in case you are not properly informed, Brazil also wants to sell Fighter-Bombers to Venezuela and since these planes have alot of parts built inside the USA (along with technology) the Brazilian government was asked not to sell them.

What I found interesting was the the USA interfered with a deal made by Spain, a long term NATO Allie. I'm probably wrong but I don't recall seeing this before.

Your right about my knowledge of SA politics. Interesting about Brazil though. Maybe the planes Mirages are replacing? I think they bought Mirages instead of Grippens. :hmm:

[Iceman]

Good pov ...Mustang ...and one more thing...


From Kiwi_2005 ...windows95 good?...what is dat all about? :) Doh!

[kiwi_2005]

windows95
good?...what is dat all about? Doh!

Well i should of said Dos or Win3.11. Win95 was my first real gaming platform OS.

I thank Bill Gates & America for Windows95 :D

[TteFAboB]

What I found interesting was the the USA interfered with a deal made by Spain, a long term NATO Allie. I'm probably wrong but I don't recall seeing this before.

Your right about my knowledge of SA politics. Interesting about Brazil though. Maybe the planes Mirages are replacing? I think they bought Mirages instead of Grippens. :hmm:

I'm not actually speaking about your knowledge, but misinformation in general.

In the article it mentions the Brazilian planes as:

light combat and reconnaissance [aircraft]

But Hugo Chavez himself said they were:

Trainers

However, the ultimate truth is, according to the manufacturer and the Brazilian Air Force, that these aircraft are multipurpose fighter-bombers, yes, the old style, it's a poor man's turbo-prop F-16, it can be employed as reconnaissance aircraft, sure, so can an F-16. Can it operate in "light combat"? Sure, so can an F-16, but usually you don't think of a reconnaissance or a "light combat" aircraft as being capable of bombing, just like an F-16, but with lower payload, and that is not informed in the article nor was said by Hugo Chavez, it is not the trainer version he wanted to buy.

So the point is, Hugo Chavez already had a deal with Russia for helicopters and small arms, so, why did he chose to buy planes with American technology if he could simply call Putin and ask for the MiGs? To make noise, obviously, to victimize himself, obviously, and to pretend he has an alternative, he is smart, he is going to dribble the Americans, he found the solution, he is going to buy Russian planes! Well, he knew that all along, and he planned it all along, Hugo Chavez was not surprised by the American interference, he aimed for it from the beginning, and the press in general fell for his little trick like a puppy.

[Abraham]

Makes sense...

[SUBMAN1]

America could be bad too. But so is the rest of the world since a lot of the rest of the world follows along these same lines:

"The society of late twentieth century America is perhaps the first in human history where most grown men do not routinely bear arms on their persons and boys are not regularly raised from childhood to learn skill in the use of some kind of weapon, either for community or personal defense - club or spear, broadsword or long bow, rifle or Bowie knife. It also happens to be one of the rudest and crudest societies in history, having jubilantly swept most of the etiquette of speech, table, dress, hospitality, fairness, deference to authority and the relations of male and female and child and elder under the fraying and filthy carpet of politically convenient illusions. With little fear of physical reprisal Americans can be as loud, gross, disrespectful, pushy, and negligent as they please. If more people carried rapiers at their belts, or revolvers on their hips, It is a fair bet you would be able to go to a movie and enjoy he dialogue from the screen without having to endure the small talk, family gossip and assorted bodily noises that many theater audiences these days regularly emit. Today, discourtesy is commonplace precisely because there is no price to pay for it."

Samuel Francis

[Fish]

http://home.hccnet.nl/wico.p/america%20by%20ellum.GIF

[SUBMAN1]

But the commies don't exist as written by your map anymore?

Anyway, I'd be curious to see the commies map! :)

-S

[Oberon]

But the commies don't exist as written by your map anymore?

Anyway, I'd be curious to see the commies map! :)

-S

http://www.axemusic.com/Pictures/lee_026.jpg
;)

[SUBMAN1]

But the commies don't exist as written by your map anymore?

Anyway, I'd be curious to see the commies map! :)

-S

http://www.axemusic.com/Pictures/lee_026.jpg
;)

Oh my gosh! Don't make me laugh so hard that I start crying! :lol:

-S

[Fish]

But the commies don't exist as written by your map anymore?



-S
Yeah, but do the Capitalists now? :|\

[August]

Yeah, but do the Capitalists now? :|\

We all think it's just a commie plot to get us off our guard...

[U-552Erich-Topp]

:) That's a good map. It protrays exactly how our media tells us the rest of the world operates.

[SUBMAN1]

:) That's a good map. It protrays exactly how our media tells us the rest of the world operates.

Yeah - It would seem from several of your posts that you are fed up with the CNN's and the Fox news, etc. Look for non profit media groups instead - you might actually find some enjoyable news.

-S