Fastest SSK

[smrtwhkd]

What is the fastest SSK in the world? I know Seawolf is probably one of the fastest SSN running at 35 kts. What about SSK?

[TLAM Strike]

Type 209 21.5 knots
Ula 23 knots
^From Jane's

Top Speed from the net:
Amur/Lada Project 1850 22 Knots

Unknown top speeds:
Scorpène >20 knots
Upholder/Victoria >20 Knots
Type 212 >20 Knots
Collins >20 Knots

[smrtwhkd]

Why can't SSK reach and surpass 30 kt mark?

[TLAM Strike]

Electric motors don't provide sufficient SHP (Shaft Horse Power) to reach 30 knots.

[snowsub]

And doesn't increased speed equal more noise, and subs are meant to remain silent/unseen etc

[Pigfish]

This is the way I look at it. As I understand it you can run a small to middling sized town from the power of a nuclear subs reactor(s). Which are always online. Try doing that with a subs diesals/batterys/AIP. Reactor=juice.

Heck they are nuclear reactors. Apparently a carriers reactors can run a small city. :o

[TLAM Strike]

Well yes, but speed is also an asset for hit and run attacks and getting on station.

[TLAM Strike]

Apparently a carriers reactors can run a small city. :o A Carrier is a small city! :yep:

[snowsub]

how many men has a carrier got, I heard awile ago it was about 10,000, thats a small town rather than a city

[Pigfish]

Apparently a carriers reactors can run a small city. :o A Carrier is a small city! :yep:

:rotfl: I am familiar with the saying. I should have said a LARGE city.

Anyway a modern US Carrier is anywhere from 5-6 thousand people, tops. To me, population wise, thats a small town. Cept no small town requires the juice that a modern carrier does. :yep:

Read somewhere that when the Enterprise was first built she had four reactors. It ended up, in hindsight, being an over kill. Full power would have ripped out the propeller shafts and the big E always had more "juice" then she ever really needed.

I think these days she only has two, thus creating more space for fuel, ammo etc.

[TLAM Strike]

A Nimitz has 5680 crewmembers, but as Pigfish indicated how many towns you know of go 32+ knots and have their own nuclear armed airforce?

[snowsub]

A Nimitz has 5680 crewmembers, but as Pigfish indicated how many towns you know of go 32+ knots and have their own nuclear armed airforce?

Very aggressive ones :lol:

[TLAM Strike]

A Nimitz has 5680 crewmembers, but as Pigfish indicated how many towns you know of go 32+ knots and have their own nuclear armed airforce?

Very aggressive ones :lol: Naw Rochester NY doesn’t have any and we are about as aggressive as you can get. Although if I had a few ‘dial a yield’ nukes I might be able to walk down Avenue D with out getting mugged… maybe not… :hmm:

Mottos from around Rochester:
Greece: Discover the Promise [of bad roads]
Webster: Where life is worth living
Avenue D: Where you wallet is worth giving…

[smrtwhkd]

Anyone heard of Magneto Hydrodynamic drive, as filmed in "Red October"? Will that thing help increase sub speed?

[TLAM Strike]

No a MHD would make the boat go slower and be bigger than its conventional counterparts. Also in real life a MHD is very nosy. Some ships that were built with MHDs could only make 8 knots although research is being done on ships that could do 100 knots silently (or so they say :roll: ) its still many years away and would probably be limited to nuclear submarines.

[lesrae]

No a MHD would make the boat go slower and be bigger than its conventional counterparts. Also in real life a MHD is very nosy. Some ships that were built with MHDs could only make 8 knots although research is being done on ships that could do 100 knots silently (or so they say :roll: ) its still many years away and would probably be limited to nuclear submarines.

I can see the propulsion technology going that way, what with the shkval and the barracuda, but I can't see how you'd ever get round the flow noise.

[retired1212]

Well, atleast the carriers are more populated than a typical Finnish cities.

[Bill Nichols]

Getting back on topic (fastest diesel sub), how about USS Albacore (AGSS-569) at 33 knots submerged :know:

[Kapitan]

fastest submarine : russian alfa class SSN 45 knots

fastest SSK: as bill said albacore

[Oberon]

That's a point Bill...I didn't think of the Albacore, I keep considering her a nuke because of the streamline hull :damn: :damn: :damn: :damn:

[TLAM Strike]

And I didn't consider her since she wasn't an 'SSK'. :lol:

[Kapitan]

no she was SS

[TLAM Strike]

No she was an AGSS; Auxiliary Research Submarine. ;)

[Kapitan]

knew she hadd SS some where

[TLAM Strike]

Maybe your thinking of USS Albcore SS-218, Gato Class?

[Kapitan]

no it was the sausage one :D AGSS albacore

did you know it was the russians that actualy introduced the high speed submarine and were the first to put tear dropped hulls to sea?

the november class were the first ever submarines of a totaly new design they could reach 31 knots submeged where the counter part nautilus could reach only 22 and also the russian subs could dive to 310 meters where the nautilus on 200meters

so it was russians who designed the first practicle high speed submarines despite the failures set backs and losses

[TLAM Strike]

Well if you put a pair of powerful reactors on a brick unencumbered by unnecessary things like radiation shielding you can make it go 30+. Some early ballast tank troubles aside Nautilus was much safer and more covert.

[Kapitan]

nautilus was only superior in technology as most western subs are over russian ones the only real diffrence is hydrodynamic efficentcy and weapons diving depth and speed

[Oberon]

Well if you put a pair of powerful reactors on a brick unencumbered by unnecessary things like radiation shielding you can make it go 30+. Some early ballast tank troubles aside Nautilus was much safer and more covert.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
That's one of the best summaries of the November I've ever heard! :up:

[Kapitan]

the november was no brick infact it was more advanced in hull form than the american boat of that time, nautilus was more the brick not the november

[TLAM Strike]

Nautilus' near sister Seawolf went to sea with a Liquid Metal Reactor decades before the Russians did (and they got rid of the things decades before the Russians did! :lol: ) Also the Skate class (which I think you need to compare the Novembers too not the Nautilus/Seawolf class) was almost as heavily armed (I've seen Novs listed as having 8 or 10 tubes and Skates having 6 to 8 tubes. So I picked the low November number and the high Skate number.) Also just a year after the 1st Novembers entered service we had the 1st Skipjacks and four years later we had Thresher/Permit class boats (Novembers were still being built at this time, and it would be 5 years before the first Victors I were built). Yea our 1st few boats weren’t as powerful but we were building more powerful boats already, and the Thresher/Permit practically made the November an antique.

[Kapitan]

although fairly true you americans antiqued some of our boats but the novembers hull design was alot more efficent that her counter part the nautilus the november wasnt designed to intercept submarines at all she was to intercept surface vessels and have a limited ASW role.

the november from the top of my head i may be wrong cause been a while had 8 tubes and 34 realoads more than nautilus or skate or seawolf these were the subs of the 1st generation.
you quote subs of the 2nd

the victors were built to match the skipjack and victor 2 thresher permit the 3rd generation victor 3 was to take on the 688 and 1st batch of akula 688i the sevdvinsk is to take on the seawolf and viginia thats how its done

you confused generation timeline easy mistake but the november was no brick infact far from it.

today we have more weapons and speed and depth but you guys still got the tech and silencing which at the end of the day is more important so your subs are still more advanced than russians

[Drebbel]

How about this one ?

210 km/h / 130 mph

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/images/large/660-3.jpg
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/images/large/660-3.jpg



;)

[TLAM Strike]

The thing is the US was already done with the 1st Generation when the Russians were just getting started and when they started the 2nd Generation we were starting the 3rd. I'm not comparing Generations I'm comparing ships commissioned at the same time...

Nautilus 1954 1st
Sailfish 1956 1st
Seawolf 1957 1st
Skate 1957 1st
NOVEMBER 1958 1st
Skipjack 1959 2nd
Triton 1959 1st?
George Washington 1959 2nd
Halibut 1960 1st
Tullibee 1960 2nd
HOTEL 1960 1st
ECHO I 1960 1st
Thresher 1961 2nd
Ethan Allen 1961 2.5th?
Lafayette 1963 3rd
Sturgeon 1967 3rd
YANKEE I 1967 2nd
VICTOR I 1968 2nd

As you can see the Novembers end up being not just the counterpart to the Nautilus/Seawolf/etc but the Skipjacks and the Threshers. In fact it could be argued that Nautilus, Seawolf, Sailfish, Skate, Triton and Halibut classes were not 1st generation nuke boats but the last of the post WWII generation conventional boats fitted with nuclear reactors this is very true of Halibut and Skate classes. With Halibut being a nuc version of the Grayback class and Skate being a nuc version of the Tang class. Nautilus and Seawolf could be considered part of the GUPPY/Tang design family like Skate along with the Darter, T-1, Trition, and Sailfish class.

[Kapitan]

george washington was 1st generation she was the first SSBN of america

[TLAM Strike]

But she was a Skipjack with 16 missile tubes. :know:
So she is eather a 2nd gen boat or the Skipjacks are 1st genration... :hmm:

[Kapitan]

classified by USN and janes as 1st ethan allen and laffyette 2nd i think u posted

[TLAM Strike]

Well then Skipjack is a 1st gen by default. So the November is also a counterpart to the Skipjack, which in that case she is quite out classed... :D

[Kapitan]

skipjacks could dive to only 1,300 feet and speed of 30 knots so they were en par but only had 4 tubes

[TLAM Strike]

No skipjacks had six tubes armed with MK 37 (later MK 48) and MK 45 ASTOR torpedoes...

In this photo you can clearly see the two Starboard Tubes and the two Centerline Tubes (the two port tubes are out of the field of view)
http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/2853/08588207kd.th.jpg (http://img384.imageshack.us/my.php?image=08588207kd.jpg)
(photo of Scamp SSN-588)

Also I have heard some former Skipjack sailors saying their speed was closer to 40 knots! :o

[Kapitan]

who knows what speed they were at still classified i think isnt it ?

skipjacks were noisey even the americans said that but its the russians who are on the 4th and in some parts 5th generation submarines now.

borey is the 4th and sevdvinsk will be the 5th and lada amur will be 5th.

some american submarines had a nice look about them but you got to admit they are very plane, unlike the russian ones that comes in all shapes and sizes

[TLAM Strike]

Yea after 1965 US submarines stared looking like… generic. The Russians may not build them safe, or quiet but they sure build them purdy.

BTW US Subs are on the 6th generation with the VA. :P

[I-25]

fastest submarine : russian alfa class SSN 45 knots

fastest SSK: as bill said albacore

Right fastest SSN but not Fastest that whould be the russian Papa SSGN

[Kapitan]

no

papa hit 44.7 knots alfa exceaded that and hit 45 knots making it the fastest SSN ever know

[Takeda Shingen]

some american submarines had a nice look about them but you got to admit they are very plane, unlike the russian ones that comes in all shapes and sizes

And sounds.