U S frigate fires on scottish merchant vessel.

[ABBAFAN]

I read this in a scottish newspaper today,apparently a US frigate fired warning shots at a scottish merchant ship during an excersise.Has anyone else heard of this?

[Godalmighty83]

been nothing mentioned on the bbc, if it did happen i doubt the scots took it too well not the calmest of people.

[The Avon Lady]

been nothing mentioned on the bbc, if it did happen i doubt the scots took it too well not the calmest of people.
What could they do? Raise their kilts?! :doh:

[Godalmighty83]

scottish fisherman have been known to ram ships who get in their way, especially if those are spanish fisherman stealing their stock.

the scots dont really think things through, i blame the cold wether.

[Kapitan]

scots rammed a leander frigate once because the scots had the hump with it not to mention russians icelantics norwiegen swedish french spanish russian shall i continue?

american frigate with a reinforced whaler bow that can cut threw the ice the american ship would have a hole in it by the morning

failing that the scots who are aggitated people by nature (my nan is scotish) they would come up with a way to get them back

[Oberon]

Yeah I saw something briefly on a newspaper I was looking at this morning...but couldn't see anything of detail as I was just passing by.

Ah, the Scots'll just block Faslane in as revenge ;)

[Kapitan]

that or they will load thier boats and blockade some american ports as they did in zeebrugge even the belgian navy couldnt shift them they gats more balls than a tennis club

[Oberon]

that or they will load thier boats and blockade some american ports as they did in zeebrugge even the belgian navy couldnt shift them they gats more balls than a tennis club

That's the Scots :up:
(Is half-scot :up: )

[Bill Nichols]

11 December 2005

SHELL SHOCK
US frigate's terrifying ultimatum to Scots skipper one mile off Rhum
By Lynn Mcpherson, The Sunday Mail

AN American warship fired four warning shots across the bow of a tiny Scots cargo boat - just a mile off the coast of Rhum.

The USS Klakring radioed Greig Milligan - skipper of the tiny Spanish John II - with a chilling ultimatum: "Move away from the safety zone or we will open fire."

The 41-year-old then heard four explosions and saw four flashes of light - two red and two white.

He said: "I was terrified they would think that we were some kind of suicide bomber.

"I tried to contact the ship over the radio but I'm quite new to the sea and I was on the VHF channel. I was worried I had got the wrong channel."

Last night, MoD chiefs confirmed the 4100-tonne frigate had been on a Nato exercise - codenamed Neptune Warrior - with a Dutch vessel but insisted it was NOT authorised to fire live missiles. They also say Greig may have misinterpreted warnings given as part of the exercise.

[Etienne]

Where the ****ing goddamn **** do they get skippers so ****ing dumb that they don't know what VHF channel to use to reply to an hailling warship? Goddamn it, I knew that when I got my damn pleasure boat certification!

[Kapitan]

in 10 years maybe more or less Etienne il be back here saying i learnt that when i went to college but im a captain now :88)

mind you i learnt radios in the marine cadets stupido :doh:

[XabbaRus]

Kepth this one quiet this happened over a month ago.

[Kapitan]

and i bet the skipper got a few ££££ to keep shut

[gdogghenrikson]

U.S. is an arrogant nation. I am often embarresed of my country and have often thought of moving to Canada

[Kapitan]

i some times feel the same i want to move to switserland but the pride of my family would be at stake so i fear of it

[FERdeBOER]

especially if those are spanish fisherman stealing their stock.


I believe this is ofensive. :nope:
All countries have stupid captains that capture more pieces than permited, or on waters non pacted... in fact this summer the Spanish goverment declared a biological stop on our north coast because the anchovy is being exhausted... and ONLY the Spanish fishermans have respected this, nor the French, nor the U.K...

So is better not to be specific, because all countries can complain about all the others :up:

About the incident you have mentioned with a frigate, last year in Cadiz a Seawolf went to Rota just in the middle of a... ditch? (is well said? a sail race? :hmm: ), surfaced, with the sailors on the bridge, with their guns handed, aiming to the sailboats!! :o

[Kapitan]

well you cant not blame spain you cant not blame UK iceland france or any country they have all done it they all the same period

all as bad as each other not right to lay blame on one persons door

[Neptunus Rex]

2 red, 2 white sounds like star shells, you know, like visual signaling!

Don't recall what that particular sequence means, but "CLEAR MY AO, NOW! seems appropriate.

Remember, that ship is not a cruise ship, its a "Man-o-war" and if you get to close, the CO calls em on the radio, if that doesn't work, use visual signals (like star shells or star clusters). If that fails, use more direct means, like guns across the bow.

If they don't get the idea by then, threat can be assumed, and defensive action can be taken under international law.

Don't attribute this just to Americans just because the ship happened to be American. Any CO of any ship of any nation would take this action. It's been the accepted Sea Law for centuries!

[Etienne]

I happen to have a copy of the international code of signals here. Let me see what two red, two white flares mean.

Nope, not in the copy I have. The closest is one red flare, one white flare, and that's a lifeboat landing signal. Ironically, if I see a bunch of flares going up, my inclination would be to head that way. Distress signals and all that, you know. It might mean something else to the military, but merchant sailors aren't privy to all these codes.

Now, the scottish skipper does sound a bit incompetent. If he was in a clearly marked millitary exercice area, and received proper radio warning, he should have gotten out of there. But if it wasn't properly marked, if the radio warning wasn't correct (IE, on channel 16, local working channel, DSC, etc), the naval vessel could be held at fault for opening fire on a neutral vessel.

I think just about everybody involved might have crapped up, but I on what little information I have, I lean toward the scot being more at fault.

Still, opening fire at a vessel not displaying hostile intention is not all that great a move.

[Kapitan]

as the guy above said (found out were doing same course or similar one) merchant signals and millatery signals differ greatly red flares generaly mean come quick distress whiet flares so im told i need help but in no danger and theres even green flares

so all confusing

[Kapitan]

as the guy above said (found out were doing same course or similar one) merchant signals and millatery signals differ greatly red flares generaly mean come quick distress whiet flares so im told i need help but in no danger and theres even green flares

so all confusing

[Kapitan]

as the guy above said (found out were doing same course or similar one) merchant signals and millatery signals differ greatly red flares generaly mean come quick distress whiet flares so im told i need help but in no danger and theres even green flares

so all confusing

[Kapitan]

as the guy above said (found out were doing same course or similar one) merchant signals and millatery signals differ greatly red flares generaly mean come quick distress whiet flares so im told i need help but in no danger and theres even green flares

so all confusing

[Oberon]

ECHO!

[Kiwi Zero Six]

Echo...

[gdogghenrikson]

Echo

[The Avon Lady]

Foxtrot? :88)

[sonar732]

U.S. is an arrogant nation. I am often embarresed of my country and have often thought of moving to Canada

:down: :down: :nope: :nope:

Nice knowing you.

[Kapitan]

i wouldnt say arrogant it can be ignorant and blind but so can all nations on the whole america is striving for a better world as they say, to get peace first must go to war

[Oberon]

Foxtrot? :88)

http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/fleet/russian/submarine/pl629r-02.jpg


(Yes...I know...it's not a Foxtrot...it's not meant to be ;) )

[The Avon Lady]

(Yes...I know...it's not a Foxtrot...it's not meant to be)
I get it!

Echo! Foxtrot! Golf! :smug:

[TLAM Strike]

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[Kapitan]

hotel i forget where i put my picture of the juliette :oops:

[TLAM Strike]

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I got you covered Kapitain, and moving on...
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[Kapitan]

anyone doing lima ?

if so click my WWW i have a pic of it some where in my album :up:

[soundken]

"The USS Klakring radioed Greig Milligan - skipper of the tiny Spanish John II - with a chilling ultimatum: "Move away from the safety zone or we will open fire."

The 41-year-old then heard four explosions and saw four flashes of light - two red and two white"

im no naval expert , but am a media one. this sounds like "sensational journalism" did the american ship actually fire AT/ACROSS the scotish ship, seems to me if a warship fires at you YOUR GONNA KNOW IT :o and it aint gonna be pretty flasshes on the horizon more like missles streaming past or shells wizzing by followed by rising colums of water and explosians, could it be the american skipper fired off some flares or starshells to apear more scary or to stress his point,

perhaps mr dont know how to use the radio/to stupid to realize the NAVY is operating in the area captain. could have been in real danger of wandering into the middle of a live fire exercise :huh:

every now and then some yahoo with a 4x4 tries to see how close he can get to red flag (really not smart ) i imagine the navy has the same prob

speaking of radio problems Kaptain!? sorry couldnt resist the dig

[Wim Libaers]

"The USS Klakring radioed Greig Milligan - skipper of the tiny Spanish John II - with a chilling ultimatum: "Move away from the safety zone or we will open fire."

The 41-year-old then heard four explosions and saw four flashes of light - two red and two white"


Signal lamps perhaps?

[Etienne]

Although the IMO's STCW convention specifies that all deck officers on merchant vessels must be able to receive and transmit morse code at five words a minute, it is well understood that morse is learned a week before the exam, then promptly forgotten.

If the millitary think ALDIS is still an efficient way to contact a merchant vessel, they are farther up their ivory tower than I thought.

Colored flares only mean something once you get close to shore, they're life boat signals (Red meaning don't land here, green is land here, white is land that way, if I recall correctly), unless otherwise specified in NtN or NtM, in relation to, usually, a millitary exercice area.

It used to be that they could mean "I need a pilot", "I need a tug" "You can enter the harbor" and stuff like that, but that disappeared with VHF.