Get rid of the F16

[Kapitan]

get rid of the F16 oh and dont forget theres not a NO option here :D

[CCIP]

Are you sane? Why? :stare:

[kiwi_2005]

The F16 is one of the best fighters in the world comrade? But give me an Su-27 Flanker anyday.

[joea]

Well "i like it" counts as no for me. :know:

[Konovalov]

In the famous words of Brigadier General Mcauliffe, "Aw, nuts". We should have bought F16's instead of the F/A-18's that we did all those years ago. I'm talking about Australia here of course.

But there is an "I like it" option of which 90% have voted for.

[Oberon]

Well, if you don't want them, I'll have them :up:

Oh, and if there's any spare F-14s lying around, my fiance would LOVE one :up: :up:

[Happy Times]

In the famous words of Brigadier General Mcauliffe, "Aw, nuts". We should have bought F16's instead of the F/A-18's that we did all those years ago. I'm talking about Australia here of course.

But there is an "I like it" option of which 90% have voted for. Heres a balanced article about F/A-18 vs F-16 http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3897/is_200306/ai_n9262073 . And Australia being as big as it is you would think the "longer legs" of F/A-18 would suite you better :hmm: Good link with more info on everything concerning airwarfare. http://www.sci.fi/~fta/index.htm :up:

[Bort]

Hey, I don't know why you have such a bone to pick with the Viper Kapitan, but I think that it is probably one of the best fighters of the last quarter century. Testament to its greatness is the sheer amount of Air Forces that use them around the world, including some of the worlds best Air Forces like the USAF, the Israeli Air Force, and a whole bunch of NATO Air Forces. Also, it has a big advantage over the Hornet in range and is still in production and undergoing major upgrades despite first flying in the mid 70's. Its the Volkswagen Beetle of western Air Forces and it does its job well, what more is there to say? :)

[Happy Times]

Well the newer versions have longer range but so does the Super Hornet. Debends on what you compare.

[Bort]

Well, as far as range goes hornet vs. viper, the F-16 of all variants will always beat out the F/A-18A/B/C/D. This is because for some reason or another the amount of fuel the basic hornet carries internally was never increased from that of the demonstrator, which typically carries much less gas than the production model. Oops. Thats why you almost always see Hornets carrying at least two external gas tanks, and even then the Hornet has nottoriously short range. The Super Hornet is a whole new ball game, in fact it is really a whole new airplane and the gas issue has more or less been fixed, although it is rare to see a Super Hornet sans external tanks either so the increase in range might not be all it was cracked up to be. :-?

[Happy Times]

Guess il have to trust you in this one. But one fact remains, the Hornet can take more damage than the Falcon. So its more likely to come back ;)

[retired1212]

Give me Su-33

[Kapitan]

plus what happens if the F16 engine fails your screwed at least with the F/A18 you have one left and could make it safely back home

[Wim Libaers]

plus what happens if the F16 engine fails your screwed at least with the F/A18 you have one left and could make it safely back home

Of course, some engine failures are also damaging to the surroundings of the engines, which means that some engine failures will destroy both engines instead of just one, especially if the engines are close together. With two engines, the odds of one of them failing are increased.

[bradclark1]

plus what happens if the F16 engine fails your screwed at least with the F/A18 you have one left and could make it safely back home

Thats what the eject handle and SAR is for.

[Kapitan]

lol did you know america has acctualy placed an order for russian K31 ejector seats ?

the want to fit them and a new type into the FA18 F16 and F15 there is also a new one being designed join russian american for the F22

[Hellcat]

ouch what's wrong with the viper? You can't attack it for not doing what it is'nt designed to do... If it works and as everyone can see the F16 is exported around the world, something must have been done right.

Remember this is a single seat, single engine, medium cost, multi-role strike fighter and nothing more. I don't see how saying it has only one engine makes it any less suitable for that role. Try a dead engine landing in falcon AF, it's not that hard :lol:

[Kapitan]

i watched 3 tv programmes on the F16 and each one said almost the same thing.

the design is aerodynamicaly unstable therefore if the on board computer went down the plane would drop like a stone.

on the contrey though the F16 is a very good plane ive flown these birs on simulators and found them very good im not dissing the F16 they are very capible but there getting old and i think its time to hand over to something new

[Takeda Shingen]

All fighter aircraft have inherent instability built into the design. This is what allows for their great agility in action. Really, the same comment about the onboard computer can be said for any modern combat jet.

[XabbaRus]

Damn Takeda you beat me to it.

Any modern fighter will drop out of the sky fi the flight CPu goes, including the Su-27 and variants.

Although not my favourite the F-16 is a great plane.

Also it is no older than other fighters going about of the same capability.

Also for most forces, is there a current decent replacement?

Not really.

Also there is a replacement for the F-16 called the F-35. We'll see how that works out.

[Kapitan]

that is true the F16 has good agility but then again so does the MIG 29 the only issue is that the single engine and its power im not sure on its output doubt it is as powerful as the Mig 29

[Bort]

Though it depends on the variant, the thrust to weight ratio of the MiG-29 is about 1.05:1, while it is at about 1.2:1 for the F-16, therefore the F-16 is more powerful. People like to compare the fulcrum with the hornet and falcon, based on their somewhat similar size and lightweight philosophy, bu in truth they aren't really designed for the same roles, with both the Hornet and Falcon more of true multi-role jets and the Fulcrum really a fighter with some secondary air to ground capability.

[XabbaRus]

Mig 29 SM is the next version and is true multi role. Problem is thought they have added tankage to it it still lacks range of say the F/A-18

The Su-27 family I think is a more complete fighter if you were to choose between the two.

But the F-16 just by numbers in service around the world and range of weapons is the top teen fighter.

[Kapitan]

i would have placed the Mig 21 in the top ten as over 10,000 were built and almost 3,000 still in use today many with china and some lesser powers

[XabbaRus]

Yea I like it tbut he Mig 21 couldn't carry jack and what it could carry couldn't carry for very long.

Good interceptor, dogfight over base plane though.

[Bort]

Actually, its amazing what some upgrades have done for the MiG-21. The Lancer upgrade that the Israeli firm Elbit did for Romanian MiG-21's is pretty neat. Glass cockpit, new avionics and LGB capability. They can even carry the LIGHTENING pod. Talk about teaching an old dog new tricks!

[Kapitan]

i have seen Migs theres a mig 21 at duxford absolutly geourgous and only seen a mig 29 once and that was in germany lovely planes