ADD-ON for SHIII released in Germany!

[AS]

Hi all, long time no see.

Today I purchased an Add-On for SHIII in a German store for 25 Euro. It´s sort of unofficial made by "X1 Software/ Koch Media" and its title is "Seewölfe - U-Boote auf Jagd" (Seawolves - Hunting U-Boats).

Basically it´s kind of a mod compilation, but it has really nice features and seems to be quite professional (pretty much like the add-ons for MS Flight Simulator). Here are the features I like best:

- all U-Boat textures are HiRes now and they do look smashing

- new camouflage paint jobs

- all gauges are high resolution, too, so you can actually READ them

- historical ship routes and events (e.g. D-Day, Dunkirk etc.)

- 60 new cities, San Francisco is one of them (though I don´t know about the quality and detail)

- you are now able to refill on "neutral" ships (they are on their historically correct position and treated like harbours, technically.

- random radio traffic (haven´t checked it so far)

- "optimized" campaign (so they say, haven´t checked either)

- new minefields, searchlights, shelters etc. in harbour, ships in harbours

- escorts in dangerous harbours

- realistic hydrophone for ueber-destroyers

- some tweaks and changes for crew fatigue, depth charge impact etc.

- 22 new single- and 4 multiplayer missions

- Pacific is available now - you can play as American GATO in the Pacific, although graphicwise you still have a IX-type sub... they say they couldn´t change the graphics...

- little detail that really impressed me: new sky, looks smashing

All in all I guess it´s worth the money. The graphical improvement is really great due to the HiRes textures used.

The good thing about this add-on is that there IS an add-on, so I guess that means SHIII sold very well (at least in Germany).



Cheers, AS

[SteamWake]

Running for cover.... :dead:

[Dowly]

umm... X1 Software... is bunch of thiefs. Look the mods that SHIII community have done and look the mods that are in the add-on. See any similarities? :)

So basicly you paid for mods, that are made by the community and X1 "borrowed" them and is now selling them in a one package.

[wetwarev7]

Here we go again.....

[AS]

That´s what I thought first. They do mention some mods, but all in all it seems they did some work of their own. I forgot to mention "scripted Hunter/Killer encounter" in the campaigns.

Cheers, AS

[Dowly]

Well, it wasn´t his fault. He didnt know, as the sticky isnt on the front page anymore.

But sorry to say, you got fu**ed by the X1. But again, you didnt know. :(

[joea]

I hope someone takes a look at the mods in this package just to make sure nothing was "borrowed."

[Dowly]

I hope someone takes a look at the mods in this package just to make sure nothing was "borrowed."

I agree on this one.

[AS]

They give credits to the following guys (maybe you know them?):

Soundmod by Incognito Soundworks
HiRes by Sean Gilleran
U-Boat interior by ShipHunter
DD Fix by Jungman
Radiolog by Irishred
Resupply by SANSAL
Artwork by John Malcolm and Reg McNeal /some forefather of Neal??? LOL)

Missions and Campaign by CombatPlanes
QA by Norhtern Digital


So far so good so what? The DVD come with a nice handbook and it works so far. It´ll take me some time to find out whether I wasted money or not.

Cheers, AS

[Dowly]

They give credits to the following guys (maybe you know them?):

Soundmod by Incognito Soundworks
HiRes by Sean Gilleran
U-Boat interior by ShipHunter
DD Fix by Jungman
Radiolog by Irishred
Resupply by SANSAL
Artwork by John Malcolm and Reg McNeal /some forefather of Neal??? LOL)

Missions and Campaign by CombatPlanes
QA by Norhtern Digital


So far so good so what? The DVD come with a nice handbook and it works so far. It´ll take me some time to find out whether I wasted money or not.

Cheers, AS

You can download most of those mods (if not all) for free... :-?

[Type941]

Wow. I can't believe someone actually bought this. Fantastic. This means anyone can start making off money of mods. Kinda of makes me want to NOT release the mods I'm working on personally (for another game). Feking thievs.

And all the people who made the mods and deserve a cent, get nothing but a thanks (at best). While these sobs are selling @ 25euro per disk (that's a LOT for a product like this - Splinter Cell cost me 45 dollars 2 years ago - and at around 33% higher than this 'expansion' - just to put this into perspective). They'll say they need this price to make up for CD cost. Right. Big games have budgets of several million dollars, in 10s sometimes. Obioulsy they set the prices to cover that plust the profit and volume forecast, but what is their cost? :down: Fekin thieves. :nope:

[Hudsonhawk]

I think EVERYONE of us should put on the Banner to show X1......are CROOKS :hulk: :hulk: :hulk: !!!!!

[U56]

Puts on steel helmet.......Dives into trench!!....... :dead:

[Der Teddy Bar]

Which reminds me to e-mail them hands off, don't publish, before releasing the SimHQ Tonnage War mod...

[CWorth]

AAAALLLLAAAARRMMMM!!!!!!

CRASH DIVE!!!!

I'll surface when the flak clears..

[bookworm_020]

Does anyone know how to dig a slit trench in a submarine??

It maybe required in this post
:lost:

[Happy Times]

WTF , are they really allowed to sell it, i thought they would not get away with it, argh :hulk:

[Ducimus]

Hi all, long time no see.

Today I purchased an Add-On for SHIII in a German store for 25 Euro. It´s sort of unofficial made by "X1 Software/ Koch Media" and its title is "Seewölfe - U-Boote auf Jagd" (Seawolves - Hunting U-Boats).

Basically it´s kind of a mod compilation..



Cheers, AS

Scuttlebutt is they get most of their mods from here:
http://sh3modworks.realsimulation.com/

You can also d/l a FREE mod compilation from here:
http://sh3addon.realsimulation.com/

As for purchasing X1's, "addon" and "mod compilation"....
http://www.nauticalsupplyshop.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/N5711.jpg

[Type941]

Here's my new signature! :arrgh!: Feel free to copy it.

[Soviet_Warlord]

Cool! Nice sig... :up:

Pity the "thing" is selling though....

[Skubber]

Making a small $donation to subsim.com is a good form of protest.

That way we all get to have mods for free indefinitely ... :sunny:

(No one paid me to say that!)

[jumpy]

Achtung! Achtung! Spitfire!
:rotfl:

[sergbuto]

I guess 25 Euros is the price of being informed nowdays.

Mod compilations like IUB, RUB, and the U-boat Ace War(Wolfpack) mod-campaign offer the same features and much more for free.

[Reece]

Some kind thought for X1 - Hurry up and go broke!! :rotfl:
I feel better now saying that! :D

[HEMISENT]

AAAAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Here we go again!
:damn: :damn: :damn: :damn: :damn: :damn: :damn: :damn: :damn:

[nelson]

Why can't you do what the lads on UKtrainsim.com do, and that is to get people to pay for premium download time ( only £3 a month or £11 for 6 months, £20 for 12 months etc. ) or they have to wait in a queue with limited bandwidth. They have add-on compilation software for sale on disk( £4:50 ) which is very reasonable, and great if you don't have broadband! The money goes towards the upkeep of the site and all the contributors (modders) get recognition on the disk's readme. Seems a lot fairer.


http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/5250/270274km.jpg

www.uktrainsim.com

[Ishmael]

As Matt Groenig(Simpsons & Life is Hell creator once said):

"Copyright infringement is the sincerest form of flattery."

If these mods are copyrighted, you can always sue the bastids.

[kiwi_2005]

Pacific is available now - you can play as American GATO in the Pacific, although graphicwise you still have a IX-type sub... they say they couldn´t change the graphics...

Did i read right! OMG i can play as a friggin GATO and sail the seas around Japan!!! Yeah we only get the IX types but you mean i will actually see Japanese ships to sink???

I dont want to buy this addon but i would love to know where i can DL this American addon Mod for SH3.

Has anyone else DL this mod, Any links? Thanks

[bookworm_020]

<Moderator edit: Do not suggest illegal things - Gizzmoe>

[The Avon Lady]

Someone opened up another X1 thread and all I got was this stinkin' banner.


;)

[Marhkimov]

<Moderator edit: Do not suggest illegal things - Gizzmoe>

[Gizzmoe]

Welcome back, AS! :)

It´ll take me some time to find out whether I wasted money or not.

I can assure you, it´s a total waste of money! :yep:

As sergbuto wrote, there is RUb, IUb and many other mods that are much, much better than Seawolves. Well, there is no freeware Pacific campaign so far, but the one that´s in Seawolves is a bad joke...

Also, if you have time read the 26-pages thread about Seawolves:
http://www.subsim.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=40628

[Gizzmoe]

I dont want to buy this addon but i would love to know where i can DL this American addon Mod for SH3.

It´s part of the package and cannot be downloaded seperately.

[Marhkimov]

<Moderator edit: Do not suggest illegal things - Gizzmoe>

It is illegal to steal our own community files??? Essentially we all made X1, not those people who packaged and sold it...

Hmm... Illegal? That's news to me. :D

[Gizzmoe]

It is illegal to steal our own community files??? Essentially we all made X1, not those people who packaged and sold it...
Hmm... Illegal? That's news to me. :D

It´s a commerical software package and it´s illegal to upload it.

[supersloth]

http://www.nauticalsupplyshop.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/N5711.jpg

Hey ducimus where did you get that pic? i have a tshirt i bought in hawaii with the exact same picture on the back.

[AS]

Alright, now that most of you have told me I´m an idiot because of buying what´s been offered for free I may dive deep and lick my wounds. On the other hand, I must admit I´m tired of downloading hundreds of mods (which often don´t work togehter) and I don´t have the time in the moment, so basically I approve of Add-Ons and I´m willing to pay for them if they are good. Don´t get me wrong, as far as Seewölfe is concerend, you convinced me that it was a waste of money. And now please stop kicking me, I´m such a sissy ;-)

LOL, AS

[Nico71]

On the other hand, I must admit I´m tired of downloading hundreds of mods (which often don´t work togehter) and I don´t have the time in the moment, so basically I approve of Add-Ons and I´m willing to pay for them if they are good.

That's what IUB is good for!

And keep in mind: if you buy an "add-on" that contains unapproved mods, your money goes to the wrong guys! Software pirates, to be precise.

[rulle34]

It is illegal to steal our own community files??? Essentially we all made X1, not those people who packaged and sold it...
Hmm... Illegal? That's news to me. :D

It´s a commerical software package and it´s illegal to upload it.

Can it be the other way? That now it's not legal anylonger to use free mods that is now included in this Seewölfe? :o

[nelson]

Put RUB and IUB on disk and sell for £2 o.n.o for the guys who haven't got broadband or haven't got time to sit downloading loads of different mods that don't work together sometimes.
That might stop the pirates. :up:

[gouldjg]

Put RUB and IUB on disk and sell for £2 o.n.o for the guys who haven't got broadband or haven't got time to sit downloading loads of different mods that don't work together sometimes.
That might stop the pirates. :up:

Unfortuantly this would be the start of the end for people to enjoy having free mods.

I am not completely upto date with all this X1 stuff but I know they have ripped of the modders and the consumers by charging and IMHO they are scum.

You all have to feel sorry for the people who spend hour upon hour never really playing the game but rather testing and tweaking and creating it to be better for us gamers, then only to stand back and watch some **** who has been lurking in the background, take your work, give a tiny thankyou and then make money on it. GGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

X1

up yours :P

[Herr Karl]

X1 sounds bad...I was wondering about the banners I was seeing...now I know. How can they legally sell something they didn`t create? :down:

[Serverdaemon]

X1 sounds bad...I was wondering about the banners I was seeing...now I know. How can they legally sell something they didn`t create? :down:

Done all the time!

The guy who invented the incremental windshield wipers had his idea stolen from him! As far as I know, he's STILL fighting the automakers in court...

S

[Hartmann]

:dead: :dead:

Run Deep ....Run silent....

[Chuck B.]

Well, from the legal perspective, this is pretty straightforward:

Mods that are created by someone are probably protected by copyright law (and if they are protected by US/UK/French etc. copyright law, they are also protected under German copyright law, as per reciprocity).
So anyone whose Mod is copied verbatim by X1 in this "compilation" has a potential claim against X1 for copyright infringement. The easiest thing would be to send a "cease and desist" letter to X1 and see how they will react. If they don't do business in the country you're living in, there is a chance that they will not react at all (and you probably don't want to sue them in Germany).

There are some potential problems that have to be considered, and to name one of them:
A lot of the Mods are actually using copyrighted material without consent of the copyright holder (just think about anything that uses material from the movie "Das Boot").

Just my 10 legal cents ...

Chuck

[Hudsonhawk]

I don't want to Re-hash this but i've been emailing X1/Seawolves to tell them what they are doing is WRONG!!!!!!

The guy who responded to me was

Steffen Trombke Wrote......
I am just the publisher and the modders give the permission by his self, yes. All is ok with seawolves. If there a modder there have a problem with seawolves let me know :))
All this discussions about seawolves in the last time make the modders sadly and nobody from then want make more mods for free, only give me. The community from SH3 harmed his self.
Sorry that your posts is not in the forum, but nobody want a discussions again.

Steffen


Sooooo i guess you guys...all gave him permission???? LOL!!! :damn: They are a JOKE!!!!!
I can't believe Matrix Wargameing are partners with them.. :hulk:

[Herr Karl]

Sorry....UBI is the one that has to give permission...they are on this as we speak. The game tools are still part of the copy-righted UBI material. Mods has nothing to do with it. Money does. Being exploited in Germany is major bad. Too bad for X1soft. :up:

[Hudsonhawk]

RgR...That..... :up:

If anyone wants this guys Email...soooo you can tell him...he didn't have permission...."PM" me and i'll send it to you. :cool:

[rulle34]

It is illegal to steal our own community files??? Essentially we all made X1, not those people who packaged and sold it...
Hmm... Illegal? That's news to me. :D

It´s a commerical software package and it´s illegal to upload it.

Can it be the other way? That now it's not legal anylonger to use free mods that is now included in this Seewölfe? :o

BUMP.. for this question??

[Gizzmoe]

BUMP.. for this question??

They got the permission to use the free mods for their mod collection and also the permission by Ubisoft to sell it. The included mods are not their intellectual property.

[Wulfmann]

It is amusing to see this tired discussion still stirring the pot.

Please, anyone that has a mod on Seawolves speak up. State the mod and make a claim here that this is the case. All I hear is the same old unsubstantiated grumbling with no real factual accusations..

Some people just can not understand how some do not have the time or capacity to download and install the mods and complain because some very small company made an add on that included, beside their own material, some mods. The fact I do not need to do so (I mod the mods myself in many cases) is no right for me to insist other people should learn what I know and make your own mods or get them and install them and make dubious statements like “they all work great because mine do so yours have to” Some people are not on your level and/or don’t want to be bothered.

Then there are the ignorant; “so sue them” people.

They have permission for what is in Seawolves.
Do I need to repeat that?
Is there any part of that you can not figure out?
Do I need to zip it and upload it so you can download it and understand it better if it is in the form of a mod?

They have permission from UBIsoft.
Do you understand that?
Do you also understand that most mods are UBI copyrighted and therefore any such unauthorized mod may (I don’t really know) dubious and X-1 is the only one that has official permission (that I know of.)
Think about that for a minute!!!!

While I do not nor ever have worked for X-1 (or any payware company) I have offered to be a naval history consultant to any dev, including UBI and X-1.
That is they are free to email me and ask about ships, weapons, events etc and I will offer an opinion.
X-1 has been doing that for their next project (I did not consult on Seawolves) and when you people see it half of you whiners that say you would never have anything to do with X-1 will be secretly buying this next add on.
That is all I can say about it.

This is such a long passed should be dead issue but those unaware of its real conclusion seem to prefer crying about it rather than just moving on.
Mind you, they screwed up in how they handled it initially, but that is long past and far less relevant than the Starforce hassle to SH3 people, IMO.

Most on this forum get the mods and know that if they have a problem many nice people will work with them to tweak their SH3 to be all that it can be. I have received much help here and it has made my SH3 a much better experience. But, I am a mod maker in other venues so moddong this and adding mods is what I enjoy. To insist anyone doing it different is not correct; a be like me or you are wrong; is in fact wrong.

Wulfmann

[joea]

:roll: Fed up. :down:

[rulle34]

BUMP.. for this question??

They got the permission to use the free mods for their mod collection and also the permission by Ubisoft to sell it. The included mods are not their intellectual property.

Thank's Gizzmoe :up:

[Herr Karl]

Well...at least they paid off UBI...

[Hudsonhawk]

BUMP.. for this question??

They got the permission to use the free mods for their mod collection and also the permission by Ubisoft to sell it. The included mods are not their intellectual property.



Yea Thanks Gizz! :up: