Religions and U-Boot sims

[Sixpack]

None of us here seem to have any inhibitions in this respect, but then again few of us here can be labelled 'religious' or so it seems...

Why on earth would any Jewish person want to play a Nazi U-Boot commander and even promote the game ?

Is there a special Muslim interest in U-Boot sims ? Do muslims like Nazi-stories ?

And what is the exact message when a Christian dresses up as and thus identifies himself publicly with a WW2 U-Boot Kaleun ?

Food for thought :hmm:

[The Avon Lady]

Why on earth would any Jewish person want to play a Nazi U-Boot commander and even promote the game ?
I have discussed this in the past on a now-locked thread on the SH3 General section.

Find it, read and you'll have somewhat of an answer.

[Sixpack]

Why on earth would any Jewish person want to play a Nazi U-Boot commander and even promote the game ?
I have discussed this in the past on a now-locked thread on the SH3 General section.

Find it, read and you'll have somewhat of an answer.

Not without a direct link.

[Abraham]

None of us here seem to have any inhibitions in this respect, but then again few of us here can be labelled 'religious' or so it seems...

Why on earth would any Jewish person want to play a Nazi U-Boot commander and even promote the game ?

Is there a special Muslim interest in U-Boot sims ? Do muslims like Nazi-stories ?

And what is the exact message when a Christian dresses up as and thus identifies himself publicly with a WW2 U-Boot Kaleun ?

Food for thought :hmm:I have already discussed it too, if it's me you're aiming at.
But here it is again, with some additional information about the Avatar.

As far as my avatar is concerned, I disliked the grayish kind of pictures that come with the higher ranks as much as the faces on them. I thought I could do better and ordered a cap(tains cap), also to have some fun during the Big Intercontinental Meeting. Perhaps I had the thing on for 5 minutes in total, just to show and have some pictures shot. I also pinned the eagle so low that the Swastika is invisable. No pictures of me with a Swastika after what happened to Prince Harry.
:D
The leather jacket is an old US Army Air Force A-4 jacket, which I like a lot. I don't like to dress in Nazi clothes...
I'm quite pleased with the final result.

Playing the game has nothing to do with me having any sympathy for Nazism, as will be clear to most by now, but with me having both an interest in (WW II) history and admiration for a challenging game. And of course being a bit crazy like most of us...
Usually I prefer to play the Allied side in games, but I'm quite willing make an exception for SH III.

So what is the exact message I'm giving?
Dunno.....

Does being a Christian have anything to do with all this?
Dunno.....
:hmm:
(Well, at least I expect forgiveness from God for sinking virtual ships!)

[Fish]

I could not think of me being proud to sink a unarmed surface ship, but thats just me.
It's one of the the reasons I play DW instead of SH III.

[Oberon]

What's that quote?

"Submarine service is not a life, it is a religion."
:know:

[Abraham]

What's that quote?

"Submarine service is not a life, it is a religion."
:know:Not religion again... :dead:

[Oberon]

What's that quote?

"Submarine service is not a life, it is a religion."
:know:Not religion again... :dead:

Oops :oops:

[Konovalov]

Is there a special Muslim interest in U-Boot sims ? Do muslims like Nazi-stories ?


In answer to your first question. No. There is a personnal interest upon individuals and nothing more. Obviously everyone here likes to play subsims. I play SHIII and Sub Command and many years back played Fast Attack. My special interest is in any good sub simulation be it modern, WWII, Japanese, American, Soviet, German or any other nationality for that matter. A dedicated RAN simulation would be my ultimate dream.

Answer to your second question. I'm not sure what you mean by Nazi stories? I have always had a strong interest in modern history for the simple reason that events such as WWII have had a tremendous influence in the shaping of the world in which we currently live. I would also add that many of my Grandparents and Great Uncles fought against the Nazi's during the Second World War. Currently I am trying to back up onto electronic archive my surviving Grandpa's flight plans, maps, and flight log book. He was a navigator in a Mosquito (Mozzy) during the Second World War. I also hope to make a trip down to Cornwall and visit his pilot during that time for a bit of a chat, not to mention to thank the man for getting my Pa safely back onto the ground after every mission that they flew together some of which involved flying to Berlin!

You say food for thought. What are your thoughts 6pack? Indulge us if you will?

[Wim Libaers]

I could not think of me being proud to sink a unarmed surface ship, but thats just me.
It's one of the the reasons I play DW instead of SH III.

Come on, do you never get tempted by those cruise ships? ;)

Besides, perforating cargo ships is a mission requirement in some of the stock missions.

[Type941]

a WW2 subsim is simpler than modern one. That's one reason I play Sh3.

And It's a game for fek's sake. Don't want to play as u=boat - don't. Noone's forcing you, and please keep religion out of it. In Sh3, nazi's are the equivalent of the 'bad guys' fighting a lost battle. They could have called them NOD and GDI or whatever the names were in the CC, but that wouldn't sell as well, et al being realistic time periods...

That's it.

[CCIP]

Frankly, I feel sorry for people who can't distinguish reality and simulation/game. As much as "suspension of disbelief" is important to our hobby, self-delusion is not part of that.

Religion never quite stopped actual wars - forget virtual ones...

As for me - what's a person who could be described politically as 'far-left pacifist' (me, in case that's unclear) doing playing a military game - whether in the role of a Nazi U-boat captain or American pilot in Iraq or something?

My interest has been humanist foremost, to understand what people in all sorts of situations may have encountered; technical secondarily. In no way do I espouse the beliefs of the characters I'm portraying - be they religious, political or in regards to war and peace. :hmm:

[gdogghenrikson]

a WW2 subsim is simpler than modern one. That's one reason I play Sh3.

And It's a game for fek's sake. Don't want to play as u=boat - don't. Noone's forcing you, and please keep religion out of it. In Sh3, nazi's are the equivalent of the 'bad guys' fighting a lost battle. They could have called them NOD and GDI or whatever the names were in the CC, but that wouldn't sell as well, et al being realistic time periods...

That's it.well put
Frankly, I feel sorry for people who can't distinguish reality and simulation/game. As much as "suspension of disbelief" is important to our hobby, self-delusion is not part of that.

Religion never quite stopped actual wars - forget virtual ones...

As for me - what's a person who could be described politically as 'far-left pacifist' (me, in case that's unclear) doing playing a military game - whether in the role of a Nazi U-boat captain or American pilot in Iraq or something?

My interest has been humanist foremost, to understand what people in all sorts of situations may have encountered; technical secondarily. In no way do I espouse the beliefs of the characters I'm portraying - be they religious, political or in regards to war and peace. Hmmm

also well put

[Abraham]

... Religion never quite stopped actual wars...A nice thesis to debate and contemplate: "Would there have been less wars or more wars without religion."
But debating that... would be blasphemy on this thread.
:D

[Hitman]

Why on earth would any Jewish person want to play a Nazi U-Boot commander and even promote the game ?

Is there a special Muslim interest in U-Boot sims ? Do muslims like Nazi-stories ?

And what is the exact message when a Christian dresses up as and thus identifies himself publicly with a WW2 U-Boot Kaleun ?


To get the right answers you just have to ask the right questions :D :

What is attractive to ANY human in U-Boot simulations?

1.- The competition against a machine or another human
2.- The ability to learn, admire & respect the difficulties some humans went through when they gave their lifes for their country. A way of learning how humans can survive and live in impossible conditions when required to.
3.- The chances of relationship and friendhsip with many people from different countries & cultures with a common hobby, through internet

Wondering what jews, muslims or christians can find attractive in U-Boot sims is not different to wondering about what truck drivers, physicians, McDonald's employees, lawyers, cooks, or painters can find attractive in U-Boot sims, or any other sim. It adds/substracts nothing to the matter.

Or do you eventually think that a catholic or jew can not have a pleasure playing the game "Prince of Persia"?? :lol:

[Konovalov]

To get the right answers you just have to ask the right questions :D :

What is attractive to ANY human in U-Boot simulations?

1.- The competition against a machine or another human
2.- The ability to learn, admire & respect the difficulties some humans went through when they gave their lifes for their country. A way of learning how humans can survive and live in impossible conditions when required to.
3.- The chances of relationship and friendhsip with many people from different countries & cultures with a common hobby, through internet

Wondering what jews, muslims or christians can find attractive in U-Boot sims is not different to wondering about what truck drivers, physicians, McDonald's employees, lawyers, cooks, or painters can find attractive in U-Boot sims, or any other sim. It adds/substracts nothing to the matter.

Very well said. :yep:

Or do you eventually think that a catholic or jew can not have a pleasure playing the game "Prince of Persia"?? :lol:

lolz

Or do you eventually think that a catholic or jew can not have a pleasure playing the game "Prince of Persia"?? :lol:
:up:
I think that SubSim is the place where people can discuss specific in-game features.
And "General Topics" - is a place for all other topics, a place to converse or to brag, to fight a bit, sometimes :) And different people does it with different seriousness :D This time we have many religious topics... Who knows, maybe next month there will be dozens of cars or pets topics? :yep:

[Type941]

I like to blow up things, but I like to do it in a game! That's all. I don't have some deep motivation behind learning how a submarine warfare worked and how those people felt. I just like the idea of hunting a ship down, blowing it up, NOT seeing the death and misery that should be there, and moving on the next one. I also like the idea of controlling something as 'big' as a u-boat. I like the sea (i'm an avid scuba diver) and it big warships fascinated since I was a kid. When I was may be 7-8 yrs old, I would draw on on piece of paper how MY game would look like, how I wanted it to look like. I did this not only for submarine, but for action (like Conan) and for airplanes. Now that I'm older, and I can just buy exactly what I wanted long time ago, I do it, and it's nice. If I start concerning myself with stuff like the issue here, I might as well stop buying anything german! Anyone up for a 2000 VW Passat Variant (1.8T, Monsoon system, changer, sand interior, metallic green, alloys) - after all Dr. Porsche was pretty close to Hitler, and we all know how the VW came about...

I too feel sorry for those who try to make this into political issue, and actually bother to debate if its' ok or not ok to play this game on moral ground.

UBI removed for unmodded game any swastika, and left it as that - a conflict, between navy's of Germany and Allies. Simple.

Now, I think this is diffierent than those who like to play Nazi gramaphone music, etc, etc. That to me is a bit over the top. But that's just me, my opinion.