How to Kill A Destroyer VERY easily

[Twitchy]

All you have to do is get its attention, and when goes toward you head on, trying to ram you, fire two torpedoes at 600m. The destroyer will ALWAYS turn to avoid the torpedoes and will take them at a 90 degree angle.

[gdogghenrikson]

what type of torp, megnatic or Impact, what speed of torp

[Twitchy]

Impact, fast. I used the type I's, but I bet it would work with any torp type

[von Buelow]

a theory worth testing :up: results to follow

[Twitchy]

Believe me it works. I did it 3 times in rapid succession.

[VON_CAPO]

All you have to do is get its attention, and when goes toward you head on, trying to ram you, fire two torpedoes at 600m. The destroyer will ALWAYS turn to avoid the torpedoes and will take them at a 90 degree angle.
:o They never did that with me. I use to fire them like you describe it, but they approach to me making zig zags, not turns.
My method is magnetic at 4,50 meters deep, it works 70%.

[STAR 80]

If it takes two torps then your doing something wrong.

Leave the fish at default dept and increase to max speed if possible on the selected torpedo.

Get them to chase you, or wait till they come in for a run and just lead your target.

Fire 1 fish and down goes the DD.

I only use manual targeting, so I don't know if the auto is making the mistakes for you guys.

[gdogghenrikson]

so far twitchy's method is 50% right, both times I was against a River Distroyer Escort, both times I was using T-II's and fired at 600m with a solvo of tubes 1 and 3.

I will post my results and update as I try more times

so far

it worked 1 time
did not work 1 time

[The Avon Lady]

Have you folks been checking this out with various settings for the destroyer AI's crew level? :-?

[Martin1813]

this is a quite old tactic. (I've read somewhere that it was used by US sub agaisnt japanese DDs)


Using magnetic TII, bearing & AOB on 0, distance 700, with ahead flank in persicopic depth, the DD has no chance to escape. He will never know when you shoot.
and it's generally a "one hit, one kill"

[hakkikt]

this is a quite old tactic. (I've read somewhere that it was used by US sub agaisnt japanese DDs)


I find it difficult to believe that this should work in a RL environment :)
I do it like this (I guess most people do):
Starting from a situation where the escort has finally found you at periscope depth and comes running at you at full speed:
identify escort, set torp running depth 0.3-0.5 m below draft (there are drafts between 2.5 and 3.5 m), max torp speed, max sub speed, magnetic detonator, stern tube, fire at 500 m, crash dive.
Gets difficult as the war progresses, especially when they start using Hedgehogs.

[Dowly]

this is a quite old tactic. (I've read somewhere that it was used by US sub agaisnt japanese DDs)


Using magnetic TII, bearing & AOB on 0, distance 700, with ahead flank in persicopic depth, the DD has no chance to escape. He will never know when you shoot.
and it's generally a "one hit, one kill"

Wow, nice!

So the captain of the DD basically have two choices (If he knows you are gonna use this tactic) either he will continue the chase and most propably get hit or he would quit the chase and let the enemy sub vanish to the deeps... and maybe got hit after that. :)

[Martin1813]

I find it difficult to believe that this should work in a RL environment :)


yes I agree with you, I was really astonished.


I think it may has happened a few times but not much more...
:-?

[kholemann]

I like to set my torpedoes shallow so that when they get up to the surface, the little nazi flag is automatically hoisted up a small pole above water and the destroyer can clearly see his impending doom approach.

[Twitchy]

No guys, no mag torps. No type 2's. You have to LET them see the torps for this to work, otherwise it wont work.

[caspofungin]

i just use a falke.

[Hartmann]

this is a quite old tactic. (I've read somewhere that it was used by US sub agaisnt japanese DDs)



I read a book that say that this tactic was used by Us submarines , but they had a 6 forward torpedos and 2 or 4 in the stern . with a 20-23 reloads.

this make things difficult for the japanese ships, that later in the war where runnig out of destroyers :dead:

[Martin1813]

No guys, no mag torps. No type 2's. You have to LET them see the torps for this to work, otherwise it wont work.

it depends. with the technic i described, the DD don't have to turn.
the torpedo comes under the keel and hits the destroyer under the stern artillery (and ammunition depot)


thanks hartmann, I knew I've read it somewhere :up:, I'm not that foolish

[Wolf52]

Yeah i would have to say setting it to magnetic to run under the destroyers keel is the best bet. At least then you dont have a shot that may bounce off.

[Twitchy]

thats the POINT of this tactic, the torps wont bounce because the destroyer stupidly turns to avoid the torps and takes them at a 90 degree angle

[Martin1813]

yes, if you use a TI, the boat will turn.
But with a TII, he doesn't know when you'll shoot a torpedo. so he stays straight on. that's why you must use magnetic system on you TII.

it's just a little difference but with magnetic shot, DD has no way out. it works 100%.

It depends on the type of torpedo you have in your sub.

[Twitchy]

Yeah, but if the destrpyer turns and you set them for fast at 600m then it turns just in time to take it right at 90 degrees

[VON_CAPO]

OK. let's see
1) I got the attention

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She came straight to me

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First torpedo in the water, deep 0

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She saw it

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Torpedo bounces

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Second torpedo in the water.
She turn only 30 degrees.

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It bounces too

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[Twitchy]

Hmmmm.... maybe its because its that type of destroyer, I blew up a Tribal and a type J, maybe they have different specs. Maybe it is different speeds. Try at 1000-1200meters. That will give it more time to turn.

[Ula Jolly]

Do I understand this correctly... You fire a salvo with two TIs set to about ten degrees (or more?) from each other, so that when the destoyer sees the trails he automatically turns to either left or right?

[Twitchy]

That would work BETTER but I fired them at a 0degree arc. The first one kills it, the second one was just for insurance.

[VON_CAPO]

Second try

Location

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Foreground: Elco, background Somers

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I targeted to the Elco, the torpedo bounces despite it had a magnetic setup. :damn: :damn: :damn:

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The Somers came straight ahead; no evasion maneuvering. Perhaps the torpedos were too deep???

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First torpedo bounces, the second one not.

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[Ducimus]

this is a quite old tactic. (I've read somewhere that it was used by US sub agaisnt japanese DDs)



I read a book that say that this tactic was used by Us submarines , but they had a 6 forward torpedos and 2 or 4 in the stern . with a 20-23 reloads.

this make things difficult for the japanese ships, that later in the war where runnig out of destroyers :dead:

From what ive read it was called a "Down the throat shot".

Not a common manuvere, but accounts ive read would lead me to beleive that it was done, albiet seldomly.

And yes, US fleet boats have 6 forward and 4 rear. If memory serves me correctly they also have 4 diesal engines and not jsut two, and could flank speed at around 21 knots on the surface.

[Twitchy]

Maybe I am just lucky. I am the DESTROYER DESTROYER :-j :-j :-j

[Ducimus]

Personnaly ive taken to shooting those solo destroyers that seem to criss cross out of nowhere. The amount you have to lead on a destroyer doing 25 knots is incredible, but when that fish hits, its halarious. I have fun watching them sink as their skimmiing accross the sea. LOTS of smoke!

[gdogghenrikson]

Have you folks been checking this out with various settings for the destroyer AI's crew level? :-?

how do we do that?

[Ducimus]

I found a site that has US Submarine SS 238's war diary's (patrol reports), and on its 3rd patrol,

http://www.emackinnon.com/wahoo-warrep-3.html

i found this entry rather intresting and immediatly remembered this thread:


At 1441 fired spread of three torpedoes on 110 degree starboard track, range 1800 yards, using target speed fifteen since there had been insufficient time to determine speed by tracking. Observed torpedoes going aft as sound indicated 18 knots, so fired another fish with enemy speed 20. Destroyer avoided by turning away, then circled to the right and headed for us.

Watched him come and kept bow pointed at him. Delayed firing our fifth
torpedo until the destroyer had closed to about 1200 yards, angle on the bow 10 degrees starboard. Then to insure maximum likelihood of hitting with our last torpedo on the forward tubes, with-held fire until range was about 800yards. This last one, fired at 1449, clipped him amidships in twenty-five seconds and broke his back. The explosion was terrific!