New ATI Adaptive anti-aliasing and SH3. Great!

[Rubini]

Hi guys,

After read this article "A way to enable adaptive anti-aliasing in the last Catalyst drivers" in www.rage3d.com and made some tests these are my impressions with SH3: this feature introduce a great visual improvement in SH3 (specially at harbours) for the ATi Radeons owners. I'm using the Cat 5.9 with the last release of the Ati Tray tools which already incorporate this new optional adaptive AA. Until now this feature was only present in Nvidia 7800 and old 3Dfx cards. Here the link for the entire article
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24069

This new feature makes AA on the alpha textures. The Visual are the same that old 3Dfx 5500...awesome! :o :rock: :know:

Here the pics (X800XtPE) . Note the jags on the cranes even with 4AA/8AF . (The day light is no intentional - AAA = Adaptive AA):

No AAA
http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/2647/noadaptiveaa11fw.jpg

With AAA
http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/5718/adaptiveaa16by.jpg

No AAA
http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/5362/noadaptiveaa25zr.jpg

With AAA
http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/4062/adaptiveaa22ic.jpg

With AAA
http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/3572/adaptiveaa34av.jpg

With AAA
http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/3553/adaptiveaa48pl.jpg



Rubini.

[glenno]

I have CAT 5.9 drivers and the only thing i can see different is whats called temporal anti aliasing . Is this the same thing .

[Gizzmoe]

I have CAT 5.9 drivers and the only thing i can see different is whats called temporal anti aliasing . Is this the same thing .

No, it´s something different. AAA must be enabled first, it´s not available by default.

Download and install the latest "ATI Tray Tools":
http://www.guru3d.com/article/atitraytools/189/

Start it, right-click on the ATT system tray icon, select Tweaks/Advanced Tweaks, and unselect "No Support for Adaptive AA" under Additional Tweaks. Apply the change and reboot the PC.

Right-click the ATT icon again, then you can activate AAA under Direct3d/Antialiasing.

AAA only works if you either have Antialiasing enabled in the game you play or if you force Antialiasing via ATT or the standard ATI Control Panel.

[basilio]

I have CAT 5.9 drivers and the only thing i can see different is whats called temporal anti aliasing . Is this the same thing .

No, it´s something different. AAA must be enabled first, it´s not available by default.

Download and install the latest "ATI Tray Tools":
http://www.guru3d.com/article/atitraytools/189/

Start it, right-click on the ATT system tray icon, select Tweaks/Advanced Tweaks, and unselect "No Support for Adaptive AA" under Additional Tweaks. Apply the change and reboot the PC.

Right-click the ATT icon again, then you can activate AAA under Direct3d/Antialiasing.

AAA only works if you either have Antialiasing enabled in the game you play or if you force Antialiasing via ATT or the standard ATI Control Panel.
All right, so just to clarify.
To use this new feature of Adaptive A.A.:
1) do I need to use catalyst 5.9 or could I apply it also to previous drivers releases (like 5.8)?
2) do I need to use the Catalyst Control Center (CCC) or is it fine to use the old Control Panel?
3) do I need to modify registry values (as described in the forum topic posted above) or could I just install the ATT system tray icon and follow the procedure you described?

[Gizzmoe]

1) do I need to use catalyst 5.9 or could I apply it also to previous drivers releases (like 5.8)?

You need 5.9.

2) do I need to use the Catalyst Control Center (CCC) or is it fine to use the old Control Panel?

As far as I know it doesn´t work with the old panel. But ATT is a complete replacement for the CCC and the old Control Panel, you don´t need them anymore.

3) do I need to modify registry values (as described in the forum topic posted above) or could I just install the ATT system tray icon and follow the procedure you described?

Install ATT and follow the procedure.

[glenno]

Works.

[HanSolo78]

Do you use the res-fix for higher resolutions above 1024x768???
When I changed to Cat 5.9 and wanted to try AAA with SHIII I realized that it won´t start anymore.
Only without the res-fix it´s working.
But 1024 res I don´t wanna use and the AAA is just too nice to go back to Cat 5.8.
So... atm I am not able to play SHIII how I want to :nope:

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[basilio]

Do you use the res-fix for higher resolutions above 1024x768???
When I changed to Cat 5.9 and wanted to try AAA with SHIII I realized that it won´t start anymore.
Only without the res-fix it´s working.
But 1024 res I don´t wanna use and the AAA is just too nice to go back to Cat 5.8.
So... atm I am not able to play SHIII how I want to :nope:

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I was just going to post the same message.
The Ati Tools Toolbar installed just fine, I select the AAA (following the procedure described above) but then I'm having problems with STARFORCE...it will not check the dvd anymore and the game won't start.
So that is because I'm using the Sartori fix to play with 1280*1024 resolution.
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[Gizzmoe]

Guys, I advise you to read the forum rules:
http://www.subsim.com/phpBB/faq.php

[Gammel]

hehe, reminds me at the Life of Brian movie...

"I'm warning you! If you say c**** once more..."

"Blasphemy! He said it again!..."

and so on... :-j


soryy, just kidding...

[HanSolo78]

Damn it... the mission editor does not start also :x
What a gerat driver by ati.... i am fed up with it!!

[remilton]

Damn it... the mission editor does not start also :x
What a gerat driver by ati.... i am fed up with it!!

Sorry to hear you are having problems.... :hmm:

Catalyst 5.9 and AAA work great on my computer however; I highly recommend it.

SH III and Mission builder load and run with no problem.

[basilio]

Damn it... the mission editor does not start also :x
What a gerat driver by ati.... i am fed up with it!!

Sorry to hear you are having problems.... :hmm:

Catalyst 5.9 and AAA work great on my computer however; I highly recommend it.

SH III and Mission builder load and run with no problem.
Are you using the stock game resolution or the Sartori fix?

[remilton]

Damn it... the mission editor does not start also :x
What a gerat driver by ati.... i am fed up with it!!

Sorry to hear you are having problems.... :hmm:

Catalyst 5.9 and AAA work great on my computer however; I highly recommend it.

SH III and Mission builder load and run with no problem.
Are you using the stock game resolution or the Sartori fix?

I am using the stock game resolution. From what I understand though that is not necessarily a problem with the ATI video drivers, but the game code.

[HanSolo78]

Here I am again.
Just tried the last few hours where the probelm is.
After I changed to Cat 5.8 it also denied starting.
So the problem had to be another... luckily I discovered that
Ati Tray Tools new version should be the hint.
If it´s off you can start both programms.
Strange, but that´s how it works at my sys.

[remilton]

Here I am again.
Just tried the last few hours where the probelm is.
After I changed to Cat 5.8 it also denied starting.
So the problem had to be another... luckily I discovered that
Ati Tray Tools new version should be the hint.
If it´s off you can start both programms.
Strange, but that´s how it works at my sys.

You can tell the newbie for sure, he is the one with the foot in his mouth. :oops:

If I don’t know what I am talking about, I apologize. Admittedly, I am very new to SH3 and this board, and especially I don’t know much about the resolution mod, but I am wiling to learn. :know:

How many people here use the res mod? What ATI drivers are known to work with it? ..or not?

I discovered the problem with tray tools also.

I am now trying to get the res mod to work for me but have not yet had sucess.

[Gizzmoe]

Just tried the last few hours where the probelm is. After I changed to Cat 5.8 it also denied starting.
So the problem had to be another... luckily I discovered that
Ati Tray Tools new version should be the hint.
If it´s off you can start both programms.
Strange, but that´s how it works at my sys.

I can´t believe it!!!!! Same here, when I close ATT it works... Thanks for the information!

[remilton]

Well, I now have the RES Mod working with the Catalyst 5.9 drivers. :up:

As noted, you must close the ATI Tray Tools before launching SH3.

[XanderF]

2) do I need to use the Catalyst Control Center (CCC) or is it fine to use the old Control Panel?

As far as I know it doesn´t work with the old panel. But ATT is a complete replacement for the CCC and the old Control Panel, you don´t need them anymore.

You do not need CCC.

In fact, I can't STAND that bloatware CCC - and it's fine, as ATT really serves as a total replacement. You can, in fact, download just the "driver only" package from ATI - no Control Panel OR Catalyst Control Center - and with ATT in the task try, be good to go!
As noted, you must close the ATI Tray Tools before launching SH3.
Not really - besides, ATT in the task tray brings all kinds of cool features to the table. Different 2d and 3d clocks, for one! And adjustable fan speeds, as well!

Anyway, the on-screen display it uses (OSD) is the cause of the problem.

Right-click the ATT task tray icon, selects 'Tools & Options'->'OSD'. Uncheck "Enable OnScreen Display" - the rest of the fields on the page should then grey out. Hit [OK], and you are good to go!

[Gizzmoe]

Anyway, the on-screen display it uses (OSD) is the cause of the problem.

Thanks! :up: Well, time to install Fraps again...

[remilton]

Anyway, the on-screen display it uses (OSD) is the cause of the problem.



Good catch! :up:

Hopefully Ray can fix that feature for us, but at least we are good to go with OSD disabled.

[panthercules]

WOW - I downloaded and tried out this ATT thing yesterday - just made it back to port last night and things really are looking great with this adaptive AA turned on - took me a couple of tries to get it right (didn't realize you had to check or uncheck the box about the support for it, and then go back in and check the box again to actually turn it on, but stuff really is looking good now on my X800XL.

There was some odd-looking jaggedness on the "X" bracings of the towers holding up the dock cranes for some reason when viewed through the binoculars (Ok, so I was checking out the nurses while leaving port - gonna be a long time till we see any women again, after all) - I don't remember those crane towers looking like that before and I'm not sure where that comes from, but everything else is looking real good.

I'm just running 1024x768 (tried the higher rez fix a while back and got it working but I didn't much like the exaggerated sun glare/bloom effect I was getting with it for some reason, so I went back to just 1024x768) so I didn't have the high-rez problems some folks seemed to be having, but it looks like that's been sorted out above anyway. Can't wait to see what this ATT thing does for IL-2/FB :)

[basilio]

I was finally able to install the ATI Tray Toolbar (THANK YOU GUYS!!!!!!) and to have it working with the Sartori fix.
Unfortunately when I load a current campaign everything looks really nice but I'm hearing a strange "noise", expecially if I use the external view..it is like an alarm cock noise.
Anyway, I dasabled the Adaptive AA, but the problem persisted.
Unistalled the ATI Tray Toolbar, and everything is fine again.
So it is a problem, for me, with the ATI Toolbar.
Anybody else experienced this?

[MobyGrape]

Start it, right-click on the ATT system tray icon, select Tweaks/Advanced Tweaks, and unselect "No Support for Adaptive AA" under Additional Tweaks. Apply the change and reboot the PC.


where do u see this..I', looking in tweaks ..advanced..addional..and there is no option..No suport for adaptive Aa{ listed?????

[Gizzmoe]

where do u see this..I', looking in tweaks ..advanced..addional..and there is no option..No suport for adaptive Aa{ listed?????

Have you installed Cat 5.9 and the latest ATT?

[MobyGrape]

Ok..ty for reply I updated my ati tool..some how the older ver was active..And yes I have omega 5.9..so now I'm good to go..
Mahalo..
aloha

[kholemann]

Oh, please don't kill me for asking but does anyone have a complete procedure as to what to download, what to install and what to enable/disable to make it work? I have the 5.9 and things are okay. I have a dell 2005 wide screen monitor and finally got SH3 to work on it right. If I have 5.9 do I need to do anything at all? The resolution for my monitor seems to mess up the ATI control panel and I can't read everything in it. Thanks!

[Gizzmoe]

Oh, please don't kill me for asking but does anyone have a complete procedure as to what to download, what to install and what to enable/disable to make it work?

Didn´t you read this thread??? :hmm: First page, third post...

[svenks]

Hi all,

Yes, this is a great tweak. Unfortunately, I feel the performance hit is too great in FS2004 :cry:

But it has brought on a slight problem in SH3: The sun has become big and ugly! Maybe that's the thing call 'bloom'. Well, I hate it and I wonder why I didn't see it the first time I sailed with AAA ON. Either I didn't look at the sun, or I did a wrong keypress - wasn't there something with shig+pgup/pgdn and/or ctrl+p?

Have any of you guys seen the same?

BRGDS
Sven

[panthercules]

Hi all,

Yes, this is a great tweak. Unfortunately, I feel the performance hit is too great in FS2004 :cry:

But it has brought on a slight problem in SH3: The sun has become big and ugly! Maybe that's the thing call 'bloom'. Well, I hate it and I wonder why I didn't see it the first time I sailed with AAA ON. Either I didn't look at the sun, or I did a wrong keypress - wasn't there something with shig+pgup/pgdn and/or ctrl+p?

Have any of you guys seen the same?

BRGDS
Sven

Yeah - on my X800XL the sun is borderline too big/bloomy, at least some of the times, but it was that way even before I activated the adaptive AA thing - I didn't notice any difference though from this latest tweak - it's always been that way with this card

[kholemann]

When trying to install that toolbar it gives me an error about not being able to read the BIOS then shuts down (and never really runs). Any ideas?

[Gizzmoe]

ATT probably tries to read the video card BIOS via the driver and that doesn´t seem work. You should reinstall the driver. Download the latest 5.10 version, the control panel version, not control center.