Who plays this @ 100% realsim?

[Kaptain Lord Aaron]

Just a thought how many (besides me) accualy play sh3 at 100% realisim?

[Stormflux]

I just tried manual torpedo firing today, but I'm a bit jaded by the experience. I don't actually think it's a horrible way to do things, but I think the interface for it could be better. For instance, give me TDC controls in periscope view. Of course, I can't hit the broad side of a barn, either, but that's another matter...

[satmax]

I want to play with total realism, but it's so flippin' hard I'm lost as to what to do... :cry:

[panthercules]

I've been playing at 100% minus the cameras for a long time - I went ahead and turned the cameras off (only used them for screen shots and spotting dud torps anyway) about 4 patrols ago, in case you get more renown at 100%

I'm still missing a few shots here and there, but I'm getting better with the TDC and my range calculations, and it's making me spend more time and thought on my approach setups. I recommend it if you haven't tried it - you can always drop back down if you find you don't like it

It would be nice to be able to input TDC changes or at least see the TDC settings directly from the scope/UZO screen - I do find myself having to switch back and forth a bit awkwardly sometimes

[Drebbel]

Only about 9%

At least according to the poll at:
http://www.subsim.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=37790

[gws226]

I really enjoy the graphics in this game too much, I'll never have 100% realism just because I love watching the action.

[CCIP]

Technically, I don't, I play at 94%. But when you consider the fact that I almost never use WO targeting, and even then I use it with sever restrictions - you're pretty much at 100 anyway. :hmm:

[DerKaleun]

I have two careers one at 92/94? % because of the camera. I document my patrols with screenies.

The other is at 100% to get the thrill beeing depth charged without beeing able to look outside.

[retired1212]

0% realism.

[CptGrayWolf]

Don't forget 100% 'realism' isn't realistic at all. Captains don't figure out firing solutions and target values, that was usually a job for the Exec.

[clive bradbury]

I have recently switched to 100%, and trust me you are in totally different game. I shall not be going back. Try avoiding a DD on 100% and you will see what I mean...

[Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense]

yeah Clive... that's what i've been talking about all along... it's a totally different game...

i mean, i can understand gws about the graphics being too good to pass up, and maybe after i finish this career (if i finish it alive), i'll open a career with a lower realism... so i can see a bit of the graphics i've been missing... but right now, for me, this is the best :up:

--Mike

[Egan]

I have recently switched to 100%, and trust me you are in totally different game. I shall not be going back. Try avoiding a DD on 100% and you will see what I mean...

Yup. Much more intense experience.

[redstorm101]

I really enjoy the graphics in this game too much, I'll never have 100% realism just because I love watching the action.

same here!! the game looks too good not to enjoy the eye candy! :up:

[Jace11]

100% is for wimps.

Try 150%, switch your monitor off, play in foreign language and wear ear muffs.

I play 100%, always except when testing new mods.

[U-1966]

Don't forget 100% 'realism' isn't realistic at all. Captains don't figure out firing solutions and target values, that was usually a job for the Exec.


Not entirely true. During Surface Attacks it was the exec, but during submerged attacks the captain peered through the scope to acquire the data. He called out the speed, bearing, range, and angle on the bow. All himself. You simulate this calling out of data by hitting the check mark in the game.

In the game I always do the surface attacks myself also to allow for the "human error effect".

[BladeHeart]

91%

I play RUB 1.42 with SH3Comm 1.43; the suggestion in the readme is to have the map updates activated.

I also have the external camera as I do enjoy watching my boat sail and admiring the ship emblem, etc. Would gladly give it up if I could just keep the ship camera, but one needs one for the other.

Never use the ship camera during DC attacks and duels with warships; plays much better that way. :arrgh!:

[glenno]

I always play on 93% with RUB.

[Pappy55]

To be honest did the captain have to do all the calculations?

I use my weapon officer... that his his job after all :)

and if he misses i can cal him names and slap him :P

[Eightbit]

I have been playing with 81% I think. Just started with manual targetting and really enjoy it. Also dissabled the opportunity contacts in the contacts config because it got the point where I was saying "oh for $%# sake another one" lol.

At the moment I have the external cam, stabalize view and the weapon office turned on. Although I dont use the weapon officer sinces its really 1 extra click from auto targeting so I didn't see the point. I use stabalize view to get the hang of how the manual targetting works and to help figure out methoods for attacks. I'm thinking about dissabling it soon along with the camera. I only use the weapon officer at night on the surface as I cant see anything but I prolly shouldnt even be attacking then either. Its hard to tell with my monitor since its so dark. I have to run 3.40 something gamma on my video card just to see my desktop. Pretty brutal.

Also whats everyones views on using the watch officer for getting ranges? I tend to use him for plotting contacts courses since I'm too far for the usual methood?

[Adam Bailey]

I play at 100%, but there's one thing I suggest anyone do (as mentioned in an earlier post), turn off the opportunity contacts! The game feels much more realistic and I spend a lot more time actually having to search rather than simply waiting for the next red square to show up on my map. I keep the convoy and task force contacts on, since those would have been radioed to you. But turning off the opportunity contacts is the single most realistic thing I think I've done.

Adam

[ShipperS7]

I sure don't. :o If I had once been a U-Boat skipper and knew how to manually collect data and work out a solution, then I would...

But I wasn't, and I don't so I leave those two realism options off. I can't remember the exact % of my realism. It's probably around 70%.

[U-1966]

To be honest did the captain have to do all the calculations?

I use my weapon officer... that his his job after all :)

and if he misses i can cal him names and slap him :P


Yes he did on submerged attacks. Take a couple of scenes from das Boot. In one scene the boat is surprised by a Destroyer. The Captain goes to Periscope depth and while peering through the scope calls out by himself and with no help: speed, angle on the bow, bearing, and range.

In another scene, the surface attack, it is the First Watch Officer who looks through the UZO to call out all of the data.

Once the data was called out it would be inputted into the TDC by other crewman. You simulate calling out the data to your TDC operator by clicking the check symbol.

If you don't like a movie for a source the same can be found in the following books:

Iron Coffins
U-Boat Commander
Steel Boats Iron Hearts
Wolf
U-Boats by David Miller
Another Place Another Time

and the list goes on!

[elcid]

I play at 92%.. i love the graphics but I try not to use them to "cheat" if you will.... i jsut can't help it sometimes :oops:

[elcid]

hey, my avatar's changes and ... OMG I've gotten older!!

[Calathea]

Well i guess i am a cheater in that i use the Officers to do their job, and have edited the config files so that i dont get a hit in reknown for doing the job of Captain.

[sgtabell]

I have never played at anything but 100%, except for two times where I played missions for 5 minutes a piece to see what I looked like with a periscope out of the water. I have not watched with the camera...I consider it something which I will do on the next campaign,....as I am going to create a journal of sorts with pictures for entertainment of self and friends.

sgtabell

[Dantenoc]

I've played with 100% "realism" on several ocasions, but I find it more fun with the "event camera" turned on... although it does have the potential for cheating, I like to see things blow up to much to let it go :D

As of late I'm fooling around with the Idea of turning on the weapons officer and have him do his job, since I don't consider that as "unreal", but I don't know if that will hurt my renown too much.

[Letum]

The problem with the WO is that he is instant and accurate. With WO help all you must do is stick up your periscope for less than 2 seconds and fire away and if the fish run well than your gaurented a hit. Without WO help you have to track the convoy/ship, prepare to attack it and observe it before the attack.
So whilst it is unrealistic not to have a WO helping you, the SHIII WO is even more unrealistic.
Thats why I dont use him.

[THE_MASK]

I am determined to play only on 100% realism now . Unfortunately if i was really in WW2 kreigsmarine i would probably have been fired out of the torpedo tube by now .

[Letum]

I am determined to play only on 100% realism now . Unfortunately if i was really in WW2 kreigsmarine i would probably have been fired out of the torpedo tube by now .

That was a common accident on many U-boats
u-323 had her entire crew accidentaly fired out of the torpedo tubes (scoreing 3 hits on a escort carrier)

[kiwi_2005]

100% is for wimps.

Try 150%, switch your monitor off, play in foreign language and wear ear muffs.



:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[Sailor Steve]

84%. I use the Weapon Officer because I'm just to lazy to do all that math, and I like looking at my boat as it dives and other fun eye candy.

So I talk about realism a lot, but I still give in to the fun parts.

[Fitz62STG]

I have mine set at 96% realism. No dud torpedos. Nothing pisses me off more than when they just plunk the side of a ship and then sink to the bottom.

[Wulfmann]

100% realism is not 100% realism; it is 100% as difficult as one can play the game and that will then vary with what mods and edits you use.
When you are being tracked by 1 or 2 rated escorts and in that same convoy my 3 and 4 rated escorts with twice as many destroyers will certainly be harder to evade.
If your boat can be sunk and you do not die it is hardly 100% realistic!!!
I can not fathom anything less than 100%.
Anyone that plays at 92% with the outside view and says he does not look for the attackers should know nearly everyone thinks you are a lier!!! :rotfl:
When I am at 220 meters and 2 escorts are pinging me it goes through me like knifes; almost unbearable.

I found a way to add a second instal of SH3 on my PC so I could add the new Seawolved Mediterranean add on (No, not a single stolen mod, all new stuff with many ships etc) I am advising them and beta testing and because it adds so many ships and higher res textures my old PC was too slow but I did not want to give up my original version. On this I will use the outside camera for screens but I do not play this with entensity like my "real" version.
But, talking about crew ratings since I made all of mine, everyone either a 3 or 4 and when I installed Seawolves Med, I went around the Eastern med in a 23rd Flotilla boat. I headed to Alexandria Still at 100%)for alook as to what they put in the port. I ran into 6 destroyers. Well, I am use to those "Experten Englander" crews and these poncy twits were minor leauge rated. I sank four of them and had to make my way through the wrecks out to sea. The other two lost me so I let them live!!!
There is such a difference in what escorts are rated it is night and day.
Open your RND.mis file and SCR.mis files in Campaign folder. click edit, click "find" put in CrewRating click find next and just change them all to at least 3 and welcome to my hell!!!
Not adised for Girly men that make excuses why they can't handle 100% (Whatever you enjoy is really what you should do, just kidding, Susan!!)
Wulfmann

[THE_MASK]

:88) :88) :88) :88) :88) :88) :88) :88) :88) :88)
Now playing at 100%
Commander 2.4
Rub 1.45
NYGM Rub campaign mod version 1.1
NYGM ship damage 1.36.1

[Wulfmann]

U-78 had just left St Nazaire at night for her third patrol in September 1943 with a PZ near Greenland so I took the short route (not usual) through DD land where my 3 and 4 rated monsters lurk.
In a driving rain I ran into one who blasted my surprised ars to 48%. I have learned that making any turn from a charging DD at zero means he rips me a new one so better to brush him and pray. I went to periscope and hoped to cath him with a spread but he came out of the mist with his turbo lit and I could not set up for the shot and caught some close by depth charges. Now I am at 31% and sweating. I pull some fighter plane tactics turning in to him rather than away and after a nice decoy caught his fancey managed to limp far enough away that he lost my sent. But, Uber DDs don't just leave and that dog sniffed around to keep me down and quiet for another 2 hours before I could finally surface. It is of the rarest thing for me to terminate a patrol but I limped my defeated but still alive buttt back to port so I could fight another day.
He might have thought he sank me but Not today, not this time!!!!
These close calls are the coolest missions and they really are much better (IMO) at 100%
Wulfmann

[Sailor Steve]

Anyone that plays at 92% with the outside view and says he does not look for the attackers should know nearly everyone thinks you are a lier!!! :rotfl:
I've used the external view in single scenarios just to watch how the escorts do their jobs.

Never in a campaign patrol.

And who cares what you think anyway? :P

[Phantom II]

I play on 91% realism, I only have the weapons officer assistance on. I mean, that was there job during the war, wasn't it?

-Phantom

[STEED]

Try 150%, switch your monitor off, play in foreign language and wear ear muffs.

Too easy try playing it when your sleeping off a hang over :arrgh!:

[STEED]

Forgot to say I to play at 100% for many months the furthest I ever got to was Sept 1940 and yes I start at the beginning :gulp: it's a whole new game on 100% :up: if I ever get pass Sept 1940 I shall let you al know :roll: it take a hell of a lot of time and skill to do it on 100% most of the time you go straight to the bottom :damn:

[Wulfmann]

I've used the external view in single scenarios just to watch how the escorts do their jobs.
Never in a campaign patrol.
And who cares what you think anyway? :P

What? You mean you don't play this simply to impress me and others???

Why next you will say one should play this in a manner that they enjoy and not worry about how others play it. :hmm:

Anarchy!!! :rotfl:

Whatever way makes you happy is certainly the right way to play this.
My point was just to let you know what most are saying about the; “Oh, I never peak when I am being depth charged�
Say it all you want most just chuckle and say, yeah right!!:roll:

Wulfmann

[Sailor Steve]

Okay Wulfmann, you want a fight, you got a fight.

I swear on me sainted mother's grave (well, so she ain't perfect, and she ain't dead yet) that I never, never EVER PEEK!

Well, hardly ever.


Well, just when nobody's lookin'.



I hate you. :hulk:

[Wulfmann]

Hey, the fact is; all of saying we play at 100% is also just a claim.

Maybe some are playing at 29% and just embarrassed to admit they are "Fraulein Kaleun".

You hate me???? get in line :rotfl: I'm a Republican and in the NRA! :nope:

Wulfmann

[STEED]

You hate me???? get in line I'm a Republican and in the NRA!

No :P

But I hate being sunk so many times :/\!!

[Uber Gruber]

Republican ? NRA ? Do you have hair on the back of your hands ?

[Crop-Duster]

68% here with RuB

And... loving it (http://www.wouldyoubelieve.com/sounds/lovingit.wav)

[zombiewolf]

You hate me???? get in line I'm a Republican and in the NRA!

No :P

But I hate being sunk so many times :/\!!


right on ! I LOVE Chuck Heston amd my UNREGISTERED enfields and mausers.
Oh rats now big brother knows i got them :hmm:

[hunter301]

I really enjoy the graphics in this game too much, I'll never have 100% realism just because I love watching the action.

DIDDO....I enjoy watching the action way to much to give up the camera. Other wise why did we sit up watching the old sub movies if we didn't love the action so much. You can't get the same feel from a book as watching "The Enemy Below", "Torpedo Run", "Operation Pacific", etc....
I love to sit back and read about it as well. You can't get that kind of information from a screen, but still there's nothing like watching that fish come out of the tube and head for it's target.

Since spending so many hours in the torpedo training room I have finally learned the manual targeting to the point that all my torps get fired manually. It was like having a light come on when all the pieces suddenly started falling together and I realized what needed to be done to manually target. The only other item that I have to use for now is the target/ sea motion thru the periscope. I little ways out from trying to target while my boat is rocking up and down. I'm not sure but I think that puts me at 92%.

[Wulfmann]

Republican ? NRA ? Do you have hair on the back of your hands ?

:rotfl: Stereo typing are we??? Now if I said democrats are all communist some might agree but that would also be an ignorant stereo type and like nearly all are not true. We are strongest when all sides both respect and consider the others point of view..

We don't have to register anything here in Florida except full auto machine guns (Never had any interest in them)or if we want to carry a concealed weapon but that does not mean registering a weapon just getting a licence.

I do miss having an occasional view at new items but many things only go max difficulty if it is 100% and I do that with all my games. F1-2002 I do as hard as possible, AI 125%, Flight sims as hard as I can make it AI all Ace.
Just my preferance. Right for me but whatever you enjoy it at that is right for you!! (Fraulein Kaleunen!!! :rotfl: )

Wulfmann

[THE_MASK]

Now playing with 100%
1/RUB 1.45
2/ NYGM Rub campaign mod 1.1
3/NYGM ship damage mod
4/NYGM crew management mod
5/SH3 Gen

[STEED]

it take a hell of a lot of time and skill to do it on 100% most of the time you go straight to the bottom


Yes it's happen again :damn:

Back to the start :arrgh!:

[ironkross]

Leaving cameras on, I love the shots of the merchants blowing up. Besides if you are playing on %100 and then use time compression, are you still "realistic"? I play it for the most game enjoyment, plus the challenge. So I try not to use the cameras to give me a tactical advantage, but every so often I do see something I missed w/ periscope or hydrophone. Trying to balance challenge vs enjoyment.

[JonZ]

Always played at 100% difficulties.

I went a bit below when I started but it was mostly the cameras events and Stealth indicators activated.

If I did like most people, I would have quit this game long time ago. It so chalenging :cool:

Now I installed IuB 1.02 and Merchant Variety Packs. The game gets better. I even start short career with SHCommander.

The only Thing I set to custom myself is the water density, deck gun reload time and crew fatigue.

I now try to figure how to increase a bit the deck gun's damage as I find it quite too overcompensated. Trying to take out cargos deck gun's with RuB (integrated in IuB) seems a bit too unrealisticaly tough (even destroying cargo shipments like crates or 5t trucks is impossible).

[THE_MASK]

Still playing with 100%
1/RUB 1.45
2/ NYGM Rub campaign mod 1.1
3/NYGM ship damage mod
4/NYGM crew management mod
5/SH3 Gen
Not getting too far , still in 1939.

[Emcon]

100% minus freeview, because I don't want to miss out on the graphics. But I don't use freeview to cheat. For me calculating firesolutions is part of the fun. :ahoy:

:rock: REALISM :rock:

[NipplesTheCat]

Around 70% plus an additional 40% for paying a mexican doctor to amputate my leg below the knee and fit me for a wooden peg leg.

[Dowly]

100% here... so... I dont have an uboat, I´m not german and the year isnt 1939-1945 so I cant play SHIII...:down:

[Morts]

AARRRRrrrr:arrgh!:
i play at 100%
and christ im good at manual targeting:rotfl:
well actually
95% hit rate

[Einbaum]

I play with only the external camera on...what is it? 94%? I also love the eye candy and taking screenies. Other than that, I've always used manual targetting except in the academy the first time...let's just say there are loads of unexploded torps laying about at the bottom...but I've pretty much got the hang of it now.

[High Voltage]

234% realism:

1943 -I have outfitted a tug with two flak guns, every crewmember is named Bernard, I use only reverse and patrol Der Channel and Gibraltar exclusively. Have edited cfg files to give me negative renown for sinking merchants and am only engaging black swans and flowers after first giving them a warning shot across the bow. TC is set to x0.002 so the mission i started last week has me almost out of the harbour.

Because that was still too easy, i have inverted all controls, use my mouse as a footpedal, play directly and exclusively from the F7 screen, and my gramaphone has just one track on it: "Wasserbomben" gets repeated every three seconds followed by a 20 second long Air raid Siren...

Oh, and no external camera.


Top that Wulfmann, you pansy...

;)

[Morts]

now voltage thats just dumb:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[Iron Budokan]

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

How are you able to get out of port?

[STEED]

High Voltage, that smells fishy and I am not talking about the contents of Baldrick's apple crumble pie.

[Morts]

High Voltage, that smells fishy and I am not talking about the contents of Baldrick's apple crumble pie.

baldrick from blackadder (?) ?:rotfl: hes

[STEED]

High Voltage, that smells fishy and I am not talking about the contents of Baldrick's apple crumble pie.

baldrick from blackadder (?) ?:rotfl: hes

Black Adder said it. :lol: I have been waiting to serve up that remark. :rotfl:

[High Voltage]

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

How are you able to get out of port?

veeeeeryyyy carefully...

BTW, this mod will soon be available for all to enjoy...;)

[Sailor Steve]

and...........................................

Another thread gets dredged up after more than a year...

Thanks, Nipples!
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[Deep-Six]

I play around 60%+. I could not hit the broadside of a barn if I wanted to.:D

[Rykaird]

I only use only one crutch, but it's probably the biggest one of all - map updates.

I never use the WO - I find manual torpedo targeting to be the most enjoyable aspect of the game.

I tried keeping the external camera and only using it for eye candy, but I didn't have the discipline, so I finally turned it off entirely. I miss it sometimes - I sunk my first liner last night, but the tactical situation was extremely hairy and I had to get out of there so I couldn't even watch the torpedo impact in the scope - just "Los!" and run.

[CaptainAsh]

always at 100% since second patrol.... it rocks :)
going to the Channel... passing between Calais and Dover... mmmmmmh that s entertaining :D

[Dantenoc]

update: 100% on GWX :up:

If looking for a challenge, try turning off your magical GPS by removing your U-boat marker from the nav-map

[Kumando]

update: 100% on GWX :up:

If looking for a challenge, try turning off your magical GPS by removing your U-boat marker from the nav-map

Thats how i play 100% realism plus manual navigation, influenced by your videos :up:.

[Bertgang]

Never used external camera, but I need weapon officer.
An acceptable balancement between realism and entertainement is my way; about 80%, if I recall correctly.

[Robert Fulton]

I only use only one crutch, but it's probably the biggest one of all - map updates.

.....

I agree; certainly this is one of the biggest.

Curiously, though, I read elsewhere on subsim that GWX does not deduct from 100% at all if you are using nav map updates. Also, I understand that the sonar lines (showing appx. range) remain visible if map updates is on. These lines are a huge help to me. Maybe some of you GWX experts can confirm this.

I am running just over 50% on my first career, but intend to learn how to play at 100%.

[Sailor Steve]

And another two years later it happens all over again!:rotfl:

[A Very Super Market]

Please do not ressurect what should not be ressurected. Necromancy is frowned upon in most societies.


On the other hand, this is just another thread for me to spam on :cool:


I "cheat" by making certain options worth more realism percentages. I do this to use external camera for eye-candy. I don't use it to scout out or anything, so why should I lose renown for it?

[Weiss Pinguin]

Actually if you play at 100% realism the AI is harder, I think.






Oh, you also get full renown. :p

@ Fulton: Map updates don't have any realism penalties in GWX. I play with that and solution assistance on. I could probably do halfway alright doing solutions 100% manually, but without map updates I would tear my face off.

[Vorperblad]

:yep: I sail the U-31 in 100% today. It had been the Weps officer doing the firing calculations for some time, until I was able to get the TDC onto the perscope view. Flicking back and forth F6 -to- F3 drove me crazy. :damn:

@Panthercules
@Stormflux
The link to the Periscopes TDC 1.2 is found at
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=1026769#post1026769

http://hosted.filefront.com/Nicolas1979/


Many thanx to Nicolas... and to the other modders whom credit is due.:rock:

(Bagged me a French LargeCargo in the Channel. :|\\ Very satisfying all manually input!)

-:{there's GWX3.0 Simulator, and then there's the arcade game called SHIV}

[janko175]

Hi guys !
We only play at 100% realism
Ussualy we are playing at Wednesdays and Saturdays.
We start at 20.00 GMT. Password is : HUNT

Meeting point is ubi.com server should have name:" http://POLISHRUN.forumex.pl/ (http://polishrun.forumex.pl/) GWX 3.0 " or "POLISH RUN GWX 3.0 "

Mod Silent Hunter GWX 3.0 and GWX3.0 online gaming mod are absolutely.
No more mods please.

Good luck guys!

[nikbear]

Does the realism % affect the enemy ships AI:hmm: I just thought it it was about how much work you do in the boat and how realistic the sub behaves,nothing mentioned about AI?:shifty:

[Jimbuna]

No effect on the AI....just the % of renown you'll receive http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/pirate.gif

[Weiss Pinguin]

Oh? I seem to remember reading somewhere that the AI gets harder as the realism % went up. :hmm:

[Jimbuna]

Oh? I seem to remember reading somewhere that the AI gets harder as the realism % went up. :hmm:

It only gets harder in the sense that you don't have as many aides at your disposal...unlimited battery etc.

[Weiss Pinguin]

:lol: Anyways...

[Jimbuna]

Meanwhile....down on the ranch http://imgcash4.imageshack.us/img118/2237/deadhorsebs5.gif

[Nemisis]

I never used the external cam and haven't, done so except for the first couple of months that i had SH3, which is many years ago now or seems like it. It just was too easy to evade Destroyers DC attacks and i could not resist looking to see what was happening up top. So after first 2 months i stopped using it.

I am currently learning to do manual TDC all the time so Weaps officer still on, but not for long hopefully.

Question for you all though. :hmm: If i turn off map updates do the BDU still contact me about Convoys and Task Forces?? If so map updates are getting turned off as well, since IMHO, Subs did get information of Convoy and task force movements if they got spotted by other subs or friendly aircraft. So i had left this option on as in my opinion it was realistic.

But if we still get Convoy and Task forces updates without getting told about every individual ship with it turned off, then off it goes, as the Sonar info on the map is something i can live without as that's what the Hydrophone station is for:D .