Terror strike on German christmas market in Magdeburg

[Skybird]

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c1j08p44w9kt

Last news on German TV says 11 dead, 50+ injured. The murderer is a Saudi, says the police, police further suspects explosive devices aboard the car used for the attack. Hospitals speak of a mass casualty event.

Just two days ago I red another stupid debate on whether or not christmas markets are discriminating by name and should be renamed as "winter festivals" to not provoke members of the religion of peace and tolerance.

[mapuc]

It's terrible.

How naive can people get-Thinking rename a Christmas market to winter festival should prevent these terror attacks.

Markus

[Ostfriese]

rename a Christmas market to winter festival should prevent these terror attacks.


That's not the statement that has been made.
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According to official statements two people have been reported dead, with 70 people injured, most of them lightly. The suspected perpetrator, a Saudi national who works as a doctor in Saxony-Anhalt, has been arrested. He's been living and working in Germany since 2006.

[Skybird]

How naive can people get-Thinking rename a Christmas market to winter festival should prevent these terror attacks.
As Ostfriese said. Its more the usual self-denial the west is practicing these days. Lets delete everything referring to Chriostianity and the other sid eill, be nice. Heck, the EU even deleted any reference to the Christian heritage in the European history fomrign when it put together its de facto EU constitution. The first drafts all included that reference in the preamble, but EU parliament and parts of the commission protested and said that were "discriminating", although historically true. So it was deleted.

However, due to the multiplication of knife-related crimes (and we tlak about combat knifes), they have banned knifes in general at these and other events, public hotspots, train stations, public buildings, for example the train station in my town in general does not allow you to even carry a common Swiss army kinife with two-hands-operation blade, not even a small 3 cm fruit peeling knife the size of a toothpick on your keychain - in reaction to foreigners having boosted knife attacks and stabbings by factors said to between 6 and 9 in the last 3 or 4 years. Over 80 million German citizens, most of them peaceful and law-abiding, now have been declared as potential supects. Nice. In some cities they seriousl consider to ban all public places outside your household from carrying any sort of even smallest Swiss army tool knifes. - The problem is that they say "in the public its banned". What is "oublic?" Any sopace outsiode your rovate property or household. So if you carry a normal lets say fisherman's or small camping knife while sitting by the river and doing some fishing, you already violate the law. Same whehn you doi work on your camping palce where your sacravan stands with others - that plac eis condiered to be "public", take a small kinif eotuside to smear butter on a slice of bread, anbd you are violating the law. That is no exaggeratiuon. ITS HILARIOUS.

Its being reported that on christmas markets police controls - old people and pensioneers for the most.

HI-LA-RI-OUS.

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The numbers given on the victims are in flux: the number of killed ones is down, the number of injured ones is up.

[Skybird]

There have been at least two suspected attacks in the past two weeks; the supposed bombs turned out to be suitcases filled with sand. A silly boy's prank? Or some kind of exercise to see how the security forces react? A ban on suitcases has been in force at the Christmas market at Cologne Cathedral since Monday. This means that visitors are not allowed to take any items of luggage larger than everyday bags. Of course. Granny with the bag is dangerous. And btw, the cathedral is in direct and closest proximity to the train station. Many people with luggage.

State security officers have averted another potential catastrophe. A 17-year-old is said to have planned a terrorist attack on a Christmas market. He is said to have already taken driving lessons in order to drive a truck into a crowd of people, according to reports from northern Germany.

According to investigators, the alleged attack plans of a 17-year-old from Elmshorn in Schleswig-Holstein were Islamist-motivated. The Flensburg public prosecutor's office announced that the Islamist-extremist attitude of the 17-year-old from Elmshorn had recently resulted in sufficiently concrete plans for an attack. In the course of the extensive investigations, a considerable radicalization of the accused was noticed.
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It is also worth knowing that the law authorizing the police to search passers-by for knives at Christmas markets contains a passage, at the insistence of the Greens, according to which people may not be selected for the check on the basis of occasion or appearance, as this would be discriminatory. Conversely, this means that only people who do not look suspicious may be checked. Old people and pensioners. The danger comes from middle-eastern looking men of Mohammedan faith, obviously, but this must neither be said (saying this can now be classified as a criminal offense!) nor used as a basis for action. The suspects must therefore be ignored! You have to admire the Greens for their flashes of genius. If totally insane, then insanity with German perfection, please.

[Moonlight]

Moment Magdeburg attack 'suspect, 50, from Saudi Arabia is arrested with explosive device in car after killing at least two and injuring up to 80 when he drove BMW into crowd at Christmas market in Germany'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14215355/magdeburg-germany-suspect-saudi-arabia-arrested-christmas-market-explosive-device-bmw.html

It's not an attack on the citizens of Germany then as he just wanted to blow himself up, that's good news isn't it. :O:

[mapuc]

It is not the first terror attack we had here in Europe and it will sadly not be the last.

I do not possess the right solution to solve this problem.

Expel every Muslim ? NO!

Markus

[Raf1394]

If that person really wanted he could have more victims. If he just walked in that market and detonated the bomb...

[Reece]

It is not the first terror attack we had here in Europe and it will sadly not be the last.

I do not possess the right solution to solve this problem.

Expel every Muslim ? NO!

Markus
YES!!!:timeout:

[Ostfriese]

Moment Magdeburg attack 'suspect, 50, from Saudi Arabia is arrested with explosive device in car after killing at least two and injuring up to 80 when he drove BMW into crowd at Christmas market in Germany'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14215355/magdeburg-germany-suspect-saudi-arabia-arrested-christmas-market-explosive-device-bmw.html

It's not an attack on the citizens of Germany then as he just wanted to blow himself up, that's good news isn't it. :O:


If that person really wanted he could have more victims. If he just walked in that market and detonated the bomb...


That's the Daily Mail for you.

There was no explosive device in the car. The perpetrator didn't have a bomb.

[Ostfriese]

The suspect's X account contains a lot of anti-islam postings, as well as pro-AfD postings, as well as criticism of the German governemnt. There's also a lot of rather weird postings.
He also was rather popular among the Saudi expat community, turned away from islam in the 1990s and is an oputspoken critic of the Saudi government. He seems to have gone full bonkers.


From all that is known it seems very unlikely, bordering impossible, that this guy was an islamic fundamentalist. Of course, the typical stupid German youtube/x comment writer won't understand that, as their limited brain capacity doesn't allow them to consider something like that.

[Skybird]

Yeah, there was a list with examples of his weired posts somewhere, and it sounds he really is nuts, accusing the police of spreading Islamism and Germany and German people killing apostates and stuff like that.



They often early and easily mention "mental problems" when there is another terror supect event or crime by migrants, so you better take such comments with a grain of salt - but this guy really seems to have lost his marbles.

[Ostfriese]

The suspect was intervied by German newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung in 2019. They have republished the interview:


https://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/debatten/anschlag-in-magdeburg-das-faz-interview-von-2019-mit-taleb-al-a-16235203.html



(it's in German, but google translate should easily translate it to English).


In this interview he presents himself as an outspoken critic of islam (which is also supported by numerous X postings he made over the years.

[Skybird]

Police says a first swipe test for drugs was positive, reports Focus.

And Focus further: police says now 4 dead, 41 severly injured, 164 further injured.


And: [Focus] The man from Saudi Arabia who was arrested after the attack at the Christmas market in Magdeburg gave an interview to an Islamophobic US blog eight days ago. In it, he expressed radical theses and spoke of a “covert secret operation” by the German state. The aim was to “hunt down Saudi ex-Muslims and destroy their lives”.
The alleged assassin published a post at the time of the attack in which he blamed the “German citizens” for his persecution in Germany. He had previously spoken of “revenge” and announced that he wanted to “take revenge on the German nation”.

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He also says he were Germany's "most aggressive Islam critic", and he said that he accuses Germany and the Germans of trying to islamize Europe.


edit: now 5 dead, says Der Spiegel.

[Jimbuna]

What a total and utter tragedy.

[Reece]

Of all times Christmas, the miserable turd should be executed, or sent to the Russian front!! :hmph::x:mad:

[Catfish]

An anti-islamic AfD supporter.
Just when you think you have seen it all.

[Skybird]

An anti-islamic AfD supporter.
Just when you think you have seen it all.

This piece voices doubt on the reliability of that claim. Ignore the source that you will not like, focus on what it says. And especially take note that it is Hamed Abdel-Samad (whom I have often mentioned in recent years and whom I once met personally in a brief public meeting) also voicing doubts on the man's identity.

https://www-achgut-com.translate.goog/artikel/war_der_magdeburg_attentaeter_wirklich_islamkritik er?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp



However, things sounded different for a German of Arab descent who has been widely known for many years as a profound critic of Islam and who can only move around in this country under police protection because of his criticism of Islam. Hamed Abdel-Samad, who is also an Achgut author, was in contact with Abdulmohsen and wrote on Facebook (https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=de&client=webapp&u=https://www.facebook.com/hamed.abdelsamad/?locale%3Dde_DE) on Saturday :

" After the name of the Magdeburg attacker was revealed today, I found several old messages from him in my X-mailbox. In them, he asked me to stop supporting secular refugee aid and wanted to speak to me personally.
In his last message on November 21, he again asked me to distance myself from the secular refugee aid organization because he would soon do something that would make this organization the number one topic of conversation in the world. All screenshots of his messages are now in the hands of the police.

In my estimation, this man is either a deranged person or a mole. ”


Saudi agent?

It is conceivable that he could be a confused person. But a mole? Ali Utlu – himself an ex-Muslim, atheist, Achgut guest author and active critic of Islam from Cologne – also has his experiences with Abdulmohsen, which he briefly summarizes (https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=de&client=webapp&u=https://x.com/AliCologne/status/1870251686922469573) on X as follows :

"If the perpetrator is Taleb Al Abdulmohsen, then I blocked him months ago because I, like other critics of Islam, thought he was a Saudi agent who spied on renegade Saudis and ex-Muslims in Germany for the Saudi state. I'm shocked right now."

Shortly afterwards he confirms again:

"I didn't believe and still don't believe that he's an apostate. Everything he did was rather confused. He even attacked me until I blocked him because I didn't believe a word he said. I need to let it all sink in."

The assumption that Abdulmohsen could be a mole is also consistent with his verbal attack on the organization "Secular Refugee Aid," which was co-founded by Islam critic and Achgut guest author Mina Ahadi. In an English-language video (https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&hl=de&client=webapp&u=https://x.com/DrTalebJawad/status/1870169159419494729/video/4) distributed on X , he declares the renowned Secular Refugee Aid to be the "most corrupt refugee organization in the world" and says of Ahadi:

"She is the main founder of this organization. There was no need to create this organization. Because she is also the founder of the Central Council of Ex-Muslims in the same city. She did not need to create another organization. Unless we remember that these people themselves said that this organization deals mainly with female refugees from Saudi Arabia. So a special organization was created to (recruit) mainly female Saudi refugees to abuse them (...) So (Mina Ahadi) most likely created both organizations to destroy ex-Muslim activism." It is known and I know from first hand witness account that such operatins are being run by Saudi secret police for sure. Comparable to operations by the Turks and Iranians.


On a sidenote, super-lefty socialist inteiror minister Faeser did not let the opportunity pass unused to be on the scene of the crime yesterday and then firing a barrage of propagandistic battlephrases that immediately make clear to evervbody how to correctly think about this unwelcomed, unpleasant event, calling the deed that of an Islamophobe, oh yes, this is one of the lefty migrant-importers most beloved phrases to demonize everbyody who does not agree with their full subjugation to Islam: you are an Islamophobe, obviously. Next Grandpa Steinmeier also soaped up the German public with his senile theatralic drivel, and then the brash uncle Olaf stepped up and shaved the Germans off with a clear edge. It was a good day until then, but then and after the Faeser reframing stunt I suffered another one of these unspeakable vomiting attacks thta nowadays haunt me so often.

I take this all personal, kind of, because many years ago I was engaged myself in assisting several Muslim apostates to get out and get their mental acts together when needing to get things sorted for themselves regarding that they woud need to separate from their families, parents. I know very well the personal conflicts and the pain real apostates must go through. I have seen some of these at arms length, over weeks and months. If what AdG writes turns out to be true, it would piss me big time.

[Catfish]

Ah a conspiracy.
Just read what this Taleb wrote in the *a*social media before. AfD supporter and a Musk fan lol.
WTH should this stunt do or achieve for the Saudi government.

[Skybird]

Ah a conspiracy.
Just read what this Taleb wrote in the *a*social media before. AfD supporter and a Musk fan lol.
WTH should this stunt do or achieve for the Saudi government.
Hunting down apostates and shutting doors for them to escape, and luring them into their doom. Apostacy is under death penalty in Islam.

This was a real danger already 20+ years ago.

[mapuc]

(Tried to translate this German article into English, without any luck)
Hopefully Skybird could do it ?

https://www.volksstimme.de/lokal/magdeburg/anschlag-weihnachtsmarkt-amokfahrt-tatort-tote-polizei-3970908

Markus

[Jimbuna]

https://www-volksstimme-de.translate.goog/lokal/magdeburg/anschlag-weihnachtsmarkt-amokfahrt-tatort-tote-polizei-3970908?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

[mapuc]

Thank you Jim :Kaleun_Salute:

Made me sad when I read about these three person-Good they were arrested.

Markus

[Skybird]

I guess the guy is indeed a delusional psychotic who is now being turned into a right-wing extremist with all the power of the media and the political “elite” because a.) it is politically opportune, and b.) it distracts from the failure of the security forces, because the first warnings that he has a bad temper were already given about ten years ago or more.



The market was actually completely cordoned off by bollards and concrete blocks, except for one spot where there was a tram stop and which was fixed as an emergency exit. Why the hell weren't there two police cars parked there, which could have simply driven aside if necessary...? Why was this gateway left wide open instead?

[Shadowblade]

result of welcome culture in Germany



it was just matter of time when it will happen again, you cant protect all soft targets when you let killers in

[Ostfriese]

result of welcome culture in Germany


it was just matter of time when it will happen again, you cant protect all soft targets when you let killers in


That happens if you only consume the most far-right media information. Literally nobody else comes to this conclusion, not even Germany's new nazi party AfD.
Congratulations, Shadowblade, you have just parroted bull****.

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To bolster the narrative Shadowblade so clumisly fell for, X has deleted all Twitter postings the perpetrator made before November 2024, to erase the evidence that show that the perpetrator was indeed up to his neck in far-right conspiracy theories, as well as quite a number of other wack ideas.

[Skybird]

Doctor...?

https://www-focus-de.translate.goog/panorama/welt/zweifel-an-medizinischer-eignung-er-heisst-bei-uns-dr-google-ex-kollegen-packen-ueber-magdeburg-attentaeter-taleb-a-aus_id_260583879.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp

[Ostfriese]

Doctor...?

https://www-focus-de.translate.goog/panorama/welt/zweifel-an-medizinischer-eignung-er-heisst-bei-uns-dr-google-ex-kollegen-packen-ueber-magdeburg-attentaeter-taleb-a-aus_id_260583879.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp


Yes, doctor.
Do you have a local hospital? Have a look there, half the doctors are foreingers, and quite a lot of them are not fluent enough in German that they have to use google / gootle translator.

[Skybird]

Yes, doctor.
Do you have a local hospital? Have a look there, half the doctors are foreingers, and quite a lot of them are not fluent enough in German that they have to use google / gootle translator.


The question is not for the title, but the qualification (or even the formal justification to call that title).

In Germany, different to psychologists and psychological psychotherapists, psychiatrists are medical doctors with a specialisation in neurology and/or psychoanalysis. Thats why you cannot get a doctor grade (PhD) in psychology over here, only in psychiatry (but then you do not study psychology, but medicine). In the German system, there is neither a "Dr. psych(ology)" nor a "Dr. psych(iatry)", only a "Dr. med". Medical students end their university time with a doctor grade, psychologists with a diploma (at my time) and today with either Master or Bachelor (thanks to the "Bologna" debacle). Today's Master is past time's diploma.

[Skybird]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c98l95d1773o


Saudi warnings.

[Jimbuna]

Thank you Jim :Kaleun_Salute:

Made me sad when I read about these three person-Good they were arrested.

Markus

All part of the service my friend :Kaleun_Salute:

[Shadowblade]

@Ostfriese:
https://media1.tenor.com/m/nSVu8ROH8bUAAAAd/home-improvement-tim-allen.gif

"consume the most far-right media information"
- yeah, so mainstream media in my country are 'the most far-right media'? :hmmm: oh, cmon


"nazi party AfD"

- yeah, anti-immigration party = nazi party :hmmm:
This reminds me similar people here who were saying that everyone who is against immigration is nazi.



I am just watching the situation in Germany. This is not the first attack by car. Thanks to these people we have concrete roadblocks around cities to not receive similar multicultural enrichment by car/truck of peace like Germans.

[Ostfriese]

The question is not for the title, but the qualification (or even the formal justification to call that title).

In Germany, different to psychologists and psychological psychotherapists, psychiatrists are medical doctors with a specialisation in neurology and/or psychoanalysis. Thats why you cannot get a doctor grade (PhD) in psychology over here, only in psychiatry (but then you do not study psychology, but medicine). In the German system, there is neither a "Dr. psych(ology)" nor a "Dr. psych(iatry)", only a "Dr. med". Medical students end their university time with a doctor grade, psychologists with a diploma (at my time) and today with either Master or Bachelor (thanks to the "Bologna" debacle). Today's Master is past time's diploma.

You don't need a title to work in that filed, you need a qualification. Which the perpetrator did have, not only from Saudi Arabia, but also an additional one from Germany. And you certainly don't need to tell me about the German system of academic titles, I've had more than enough of that mularkey in my time (I majored in chemistry but never went beyond the Diplom, so I'm not a Dr. rer. nat - never saw the need for that, and life proved me right).

If you are willing to read a bit more about the perpetrator, something more neutral:

https://steadyhq.com/de/u-m/posts/58e8e4e9-664b-4c2c-9d76-98a08e60fc17
(in German, sorry, guys, it's too long to translate everything for you here)

The conclusion of this article sums it up perfectly (translated by myself):
"Right wing populist willl have to acknowledge that the man wasn't just a "Fachkraft" (derogatory for foreign immigrant), but in deed a well educated specialistand fluent in three languages.
Leftist must content tehmselves with the fact that the primary motivation of the perpetrator was not the AfD.
Ex-muslims will have to acknowledge that even one of them can go mad and massively damage their Idea by such a deed.

Politicans, who repeat their call for more security ad infinitum will have drop that simple argument because there simply cannot be a broad protection against something like this.
Antisemitist will have to acknowledge that it's not the Jews who are behind this.
The Germans will have to acknowledge that they have frightingly little knowledge about psychology."

[Skybird]

Former colleagues and nurses seem to disagree with your assessment. FOCUS hardly can be labelled a rightwing newspaper.



The quesiton to me is whether he was a lousy doctor with a bad temper holding a title legally, or was just an imposter. Thats what is not fully clear to me after the several reports on these details of the story. Anyway, it does nto sound like he was the sound and expert "Fachkraft" that you referred to. He seems to have ticked out toeards colleague sand nurses frequently, and telling inm,ates they shpoud, fapvur alcohol over honey and his colleagues claliugn him Dr. Google does not sound like a valid reason to assume hge was qulfied for what he was doing. You can hold a legally sound title or grade - and on the human or competence level be a desaster nevertehless.


It's possible we're talking at cross purposes and mean the same thing, I'm not sure I understood correctly what you were trying to say. But never mind. Could be lost in translation.

[Ostfriese]

Former colleagues and nurses seem to disagree with your assessment. FOCUS hardly can be labelled a rightwing newspaper.


Focus is nowhere near neutral.

The quesiton to me is whether he was a lousy doctor with a bad temper holding a title legally, or was just an imposter.


The answer to that is clear. He did not hold the title of "doctor" and has never claimed to do so. Yet he still was a trained specialist (which you can be without a title).
He might have been bad at his job, but so are many others.


It's possible we're talking at cross purposes and mean the same thing, I'm not sure I understood correctly what you were trying to say. But never mind. Could be lost in translation.


I'll try in German then:


Er hatte keinen klassischen Doktortitel - und hat das auch nie behauptet. Er ist aber sehr wohl als Facharzt ausgebildet, und das sowohl mit einem Abschluss in Saudi-Arabien als auch mit einer Qualifikation, die er in Deutschland gemacht hat. Er ist natürlich sienem Umfeld damit aufgefallen, dass er immer abgedrehter wurde. Aber er ist halt nicht einfach einer Agenda gefolgt, sondern hat alles mögliche an wirren Ideen aufgenommen und weiter verdreht. Er ist kein muslimischer Terror-Schläfer, wie gewisse Rechte es gerne hätten. Er ist kein rechter AfD-Sympathisant, wie gewisse Linke es gerne hätten.


Alle Zeichen sprechen dafür, dass er viel eher in die Kategorie "Amokläufer" fällt als in die Kategorie "politisch oder religiös motivierter Mörder".

[Skybird]

Focus is nowhere near neutral.
Which newspaper is. But it is certainly not right-winging. Except oneself stands so far on the left side that necessarily everything else appears to be "right".

The answer to that is clear. He did not hold the title of "doctor" and has never claimed to do so. Yet he still was a trained specialist (which you can be without a title).
He might have been bad at his job, but so are many others.


The fault appears to be on my side, having mistaken the "Dr. med" with "Approbation", and the media messing it up further by saying "Doktor" in the meaning of "Arzt", not necessarily "Dr. med". Fact is "Facharzt für Psychatrie" you can only get by studying medicine first, not by studying psychology, and the job declaration "Facharzt für Psychatrie" and "Facharzt für ärztliche Psychotherapie" is protected by the law like the term "Diplom-Psychologe" and "psychologischer Psychotherapeut" is.



Most medical doctors in Germany still added the scientific work to gain the "Dr. med", too. 60-65% says Google.

[mapuc]

Sad to say, for me it is irrelevant what kind of education he had and what party he supported or not-For me he committed a terrible crime a terror attack on innocent people and for this he shall have Germany's strongest punishment.

It sounds like in my ear, that many of the Germans is fishing for some excuses for what he did.

And last a sentence I have been written before in our German thread.

You can't accuse every member or supporters of AfD. for being nazis or sympathize with the nazis.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Sad to say, for me it is irrelevant what kind of education he had and what party he supported or not-For me he committed a terrible crime a terror attack on innocent people and for this he shall have Germany's strongest punishment.



Precisely :yep:

[Skybird]

The Magdeburg Assassin as a Doctor

The author Prof. Dr. med. Dipl.-Psych. Wolfgang Meins is a neuropsychologist, doctor of psychiatry and neurology, geriatrician and adjunct professor of psychiatry. In recent years he has worked primarily as a court expert in the civil law area.

To be honest, I find it difficult - after everything that has happened in recent years - to write anything more about migrant crime. It is simply too bleak and the prospects for a radical and, above all, rapid improvement are too bleak in view of the parties that are setting the tone here and their representatives. So be it.

When I read tweets from the attacker from the last two or three years late on the evening of the Magdeburg terror attack, my first thought was: We are dealing with a delusional patient. After some research two days later, I found that the most likely variant was a delusional personality disorder that the perpetrator had been suffering from for some time but had become more pronounced in recent years, but possibly also a delusional disorder that has emerged in recent years or perhaps even schizophrenia, which cannot be completely ruled out at present.

My second thought was, of course, how unbelievable it is that an asylum seeker - among other misdeeds - could openly threaten a German medical association with a serious attack in 2013 without being immediately taken into deportation custody, only to leave the country soon after, never to return. Even if, when you look at it soberly, that doesn't really surprise me.

The next thought was whether we are actually dealing with a qualified medical doctor here, or with someone who has benefited from the lax German controls on migrants or asylum seekers compared to other countries, who simply claim to be a doctor and can perhaps even present something like a university degree certificate.

Such considerations were encouraged by the statements now available from employees at his last place of work, a forensic psychiatric facility where he was nicknamed Dr. Google. However, it is not a forensic clinic for people like him, but specifically for criminals with addiction problems who are serving their prison sentences there.

Within the status hierarchy of medical professions, he may not be at the bottom of the pile, but he is not far from it either. According to statements from employees, it did not seem as though we were actually dealing with a doctor or even a specialist. But in this case, appearances are clearly deceptive. Which leads to the question of how many eyes were turned and how often before he finally became a specialist in psychiatry.

What is particularly irritating is, of course, that here, under the watchful eyes of his colleagues, someone was mentally distancing himself more and more from the real world over a long period of time - clearly visible in his increasingly crazy tweets - which he posted in considerable numbers to an equally considerable number of followers. But, as I try to explain, the attacker may have benefited from his ennobling migrant status on the one hand, and from the tight job market for doctors on the other. A forensic addiction clinic located deep in the central German provinces is certainly happy about any doctor who is willing to work here - and they are happy to let things slide.

The assassin clearly had other ideas about his medical career in Germany. This becomes clear when you enter his name - Taleb Al Abdulmohsen - into Google Scholar , the search engine for scientific literature. Surprisingly, you get three hits, namely scientific publications between 2010 and 2013. The author's addresses are given as the psychiatric departments of university hospitals - in chronological order: Bochum, Hanover and most recently Stralsund, where the assassin evidently completed most of his psychiatric training.

The publications are not original research, but two articles in the journal Medical Hypothesis which , as the name suggests, deal with certain hypothetical considerations which still need to be substantiated by corresponding studies. The third publication, from 2013, is a detailed letter published by the American Medical Journal and which may already hint at paranoid ideas: He directly and blatantly accuses the head of a psychiatric department at the MHH of "stealing" his idea of ​​a study on the treatment of anxiety patients with Botox. The head of the department turned him down at the time. A year later, however, two of his colleagues published exactly such a study.

Against this backdrop of the failure of his career aspirations, which clearly continued at the Stralsund University Hospital, it becomes more understandable that from around 2015 onwards he became increasingly interested in non-medical problems. This primarily refers to his very specific fight against Islam, which ultimately resulted in a mass murder of non-Muslims. However, this was only made possible by an ideologically fixed, experience-resistant migration policy - supplemented by a security concept for the Magdeburg Christmas market that does not deserve the name. LINK (https://www.achgut.com/artikel/der_magdeburg_attentaeter_als_arzt)


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Another expert for Zufahrtssicherheit (=access security, yes there is such an branch, and it even has DIN normations for security measures at access areas to public events), was on TV yesterday, and he totally and compeletly picked apart the authorities for the way they left wide open the access area and had no measures at all in place. He chuckled at the auhtorites and did not even try to hide his ridicule for their flawed thinking. He said this was utmost failure at decision making level and an ignoration of even most basic security considerations. All bollards and obstacles are simply useless if you leave just one vulnerable opening unsealed. Its like with a chain - the weakest ring decides the stability of it all. Ha also said that many concrete bollards provde a false sense of securit yonly, since they are not fixe din place - a racing truck simply would crash into them and turn them into projectiles flying in to the crowd , with the imaginabble consequences. Such concrete cubes and concrete obstacles are popular over here in germany since they are cheap. Well - you get what you pay for. Better are retractable steel bollards that can be lowered and raised again as needed. It would also spoil the cityscape less in many places, where these things stand around all year round and exude the charm of a castle under siege.

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According to Thuringia's Office for the Protection of the Constitution, the motives of the Magdeburg perpetrator have yet to be clarified. However, a "growing radicalization with references to extremism" has been observed.Even if a mental disorder were to be discovered, the alleged perpetrator's online posts show an increased radicalization with references to right-wing extremism in recent years.https://www-zdf-de.translate.goog/nachrichten/politik/deutschland/magdeburg-anschlag-thueringer-verfassungsschutz-taeter-rechtsextrem-100.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp&_x_tr_hist=true

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[FR] Following the deadly rampage at the Magdeburg Christmas market, the Kriminalistische Institut Jena e.V. (Jena Institute of Criminology) has made serious accusations against the city council and the police. Both authorities are said to have contributed to the tragedy through failures in the security concept.

As the Institute's director, Dieter Siegel, confirmed, a complaint was filed with the public prosecutor's office in Naumburg (Saxony-Anhalt) on Monday. The accusation: aiding and abetting murder in five cases and aiding and abetting bodily harm in at least 200 cases.

Siegel explained with regard to the attack in Magdeburg: “The rampage would have been prevented by barriers, whether movable fences, parked vehicles or barriers.” He described this behavior to the Volksstimme newspaper, which first reported on the case, as “aiding and abetting a crime by omission”.

Despite the accusations and the dramatic consequences, Ronni Krug, Magdeburg's councillor for public order, explained at the press conference: “The security concept was good. However, rescue and escape routes also had to be kept clear.”

Following the deadly rampage at the Magdeburg Christmas market, lawyer Dr. Adam Ahmed is calling for rigorous investigations into those responsible. “The public prosecutor's office must therefore immediately initiate additional investigations into negligent homicide and negligent bodily injury. Those responsible in the police force will have to accept criminal responsibility. Above all, however, with regard to the gap in the security system at the cordon. The main person responsible is probably the head of operations,” explained the lawyer.

The gap to which the lawyer refers was located at a five-meter-wide access road through which the driver, Taleb A., was able to enter the Christmas market unhindered in his car. He killed five people and injured around 200, some of them seriously.

According to information from BILD, this gap should actually have been closed by a mobile police barrier. Next to the mulled wine pyramid, a transverse police van was planned to prevent attacks with vehicles. However, this van was apparently missing or in the wrong place.

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https://www-achgut-com.translate.goog/artikel/yasmine_mohammed_ueber_den_magdeburger_attentaeter ?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp


Quite illustrative.