Project 2025 (Discuss)

[AVGWarhawk]

Buddahaid sparked my interest in diving deeper into Project 2025. I started some reading of the material. Thus far, I have not found anything grossly negative. But then again, I have not read the 900 some odd pages.

I have started this thread to spurn some discussion about Project 2025. The good, the bad, the ugly.

Some points and objectives of Project 2025:

Secure the border, finish building the wall, and deport illegal aliens

De-weaponize the Federal Government by increasing accountability and oversight of the FBI and DOJ

Unleash American energy production to reduce energy prices

Cut the growth of government spending to reduce inflation

Make federal bureaucrats more accountable to the democratically elected President and Congress

Improve education by moving control and funding of education from DC
bureaucrats directly to parents and state and local governments

Ban biological males from competing in women' s sports


Please join in with your thoughts.

[u crank]

Secure the border, finish building the wall, and deport illegal aliens

De-weaponize the Federal Government by increasing accountability and oversight of the FBI and DOJ

Unleash American energy production to reduce energy prices

Cut the growth of government spending to reduce inflation

Make federal bureaucrats more accountable to the democratically elected President and Congress

Improve education by moving control and funding of education from DC
bureaucrats directly to parents and state and local governments

Ban biological males from competing in women' s sports



Well .. those seem like very reasonable goals.

[AVGWarhawk]

Well .. those seem like very reasonable goals.

Yes, these are not crazy goals. Less government IMO is good. The states should be carrying a majority of the decisions and load. IMO, democrats are more so socialist. Big government is wonderful. The democratic party is not what it was.

I have read some more of 2025, still nothing way out line yet.

[AVGWarhawk]

I mean, is this wrong? We have seen this. Just sign the bill that is loaded with pork and related items that have nothing to do with what the actual bill is for.


Instead, party leaders negotiate one multitrillion-dollar spending bill—several
thousand pages long—and then vote on it before anyone, literally, has had a chance
to read it. Debate time is restricted. Amendments are prohibited. And all of this
is backed up against a midnight deadline when the previous “omnibus” spending
bill will run out and the federal government “shuts down.”
This process is not designed to empower 330 million American citizens and
their elected representatives, but rather to empower the party elites secretly negotiating without any public scrutiny or oversight.
In the end, congressional leaders’ behavior and incentives here are no different from those of global elites insulating policy decisions—over the climate, trade,
public health, you name it—from the sovereignty of national electorates. Public
scrutiny and democratic accountability make life harder for policymakers—so they
skirt it. It’s not dysfunction; it’s corruption.

[AVGWarhawk]

To this...I have to agree 100%. But a few here on the form think anything else, no globalization, is isolationism.


The same goals are the heart of elite support for economic globalization. For 30
years, America’s political, economic, and cultural leaders embraced and enriched
Communist China and its genocidal Communist Party while hollowing out America’s industrial base. What may have started out with good intentions has now been
made clear. Unfettered trade with China has been a catastrophe. It has made a
handful of American corporations enormously profitable while twisting their
business incentives away from the American people’s needs. For a generation, politicians of both parties promised that engagement with Beijing would grow our
economy while injecting American values into China. The opposite has happened.
American factories have closed. Jobs have been outsourced. Our manufacturing
economy has been financialized. And all along, the corporations profiting failed
to export our values of human rights and freedom; rather, they imported China’s
anti-American values into their C-suites.

[Skybird]

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2932627&postcount=10589

[AVGWarhawk]

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2932627&postcount=10589

Thanks for the link. It covers 2025 in a nutshell. As I read more of it, it makes a lot of sense. 2025 cuts the core of the Left woke agenda. It is not a wonder they railed against it during the campaign.

[mapuc]

I posted some link in our US-Politics thread some month ago. A wiki page and some other pages about this subject.

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

I posted some link in our US-Politics thread some month ago. A wiki page and some other pages about this subject.

Markus

Thanks! Looking for more in depth discussing in this thread. :up:

[Commander Wallace]

Well .. those seem like very reasonable goals. It is very reasonable and also an agenda that one would expect a head of State to make. When there is a specific question to your Country, It's expected that those threats will be addressed. That's the exact opposite of what the Democrats did.

With that said, Trump needs to have a conversation with Canada as well. Canada's Olympic Hockey Team remains an ongoing threat to any other Country whose citizens lace on Skates and plays Hockey. :yep: They need to be dealt with. :haha:


On a serious note, I read through the Project 2025 projection and also didn't find anything grossly appropriate. Then again, It takes some time to read through the material.

[AVGWarhawk]

With that said, Trump needs to have a conversation with Canada as well. Canada's Olympic Hockey Team remains an ongoing threat to any other Country whose citizens lace on Skates and plays Hockey. :yep: They need to be dealt with. :haha:

This may not be a priority at the moment. :hmmm:

[Skybird]

I could live with a lot of the 2025 agenda, some of it is no different than what I've said before. But - it's Trump, and Trump has vowed revenge on his critics and enemies, and that he will take revenge on the authorities who have fulfilled their constitutional mandate. He surrounds himself with people who are less committed to the constitution than to him personally, that is the classic "Führer" principle. And in order for this storm troopers to get into the positions they needs to kick down doors and bring the state into line with Trump's personal interests, Trump even wants to bypass the Senate, i.e. he is already starting to undermine the constitutional order. Project 2025 is the icing with which he is covering his supporters' eyes and ears, instead everyone is just licking and drooling.


Trump is the man he is, and you have to be wary of this man, because he is not a bit different from what he is. And the way he is speaks massively and powerfully against him. And then such a power-political maneuver - at the end of which he himself is ultimately the greatest beneficiary, and his family, whom he is positioning as heirs to the throne? The spitefulness with which Gaetz treated women after his nomination, not to mention his questionable past history, set alarm bells ringing. Elon Musk is anything but a philanthropist and a friend of the state; he wants to go to Mars,and he's just getting himself a free pass for it. And Trump - Trump has never hidden the fact that he is out for revenge. Some other nominations of politically inexperienced amateurs whose merit lies in being loyal to Caesar are also red hot in my opinion. This is not a cabinet - this is a gang.


Project 2025 looks good on paper, it's the fig leaf behind which the real intentions are hidden. What is hidden in the shadow it casts is what is really dangerous and represents an incalculable risk. I would buy it from someone else, maybe not. Schwarzenegger. McCain. Even Reagan.


But not Trump.


And don't ask about the state of the national debt in four years.


Project 2025 sounds good on paper. But I think it's just a red herring.

[AVGWarhawk]

Project 2025 cuts to the very core of progressive left wing ideology . It's is plain to see why this past campaign the democrats, a label I use loosely now, railed against it. Called Trump Hitler. Never the less, the next 2 years are going to be interesting.

[Skybird]

I fully see that, too, dont worry. Its just that I also see the enormous risk involved in letting Trump have its way under the excuse of that its just this agenda, that it is good in any case, and that he wants to stay loyal to it and nothing more. An awsome lot of power is needed to confron the petrifying, corrupting forces in poltics and to overocme the left-woke-green extremists and their Zeitgeist that is dominant today, in the US as well as in Germany, all Europe, there are parrallels. But then, this needed awesome lot of power and the way Trump wants to secure it can easily, all too easily turn into a terrible threat itself. A real nightmare.

The Project 2025 is not so much the problem for me. Its the man who will swing it like a twohander - and some of the gang he is assembling.


By the end of the day it boils down to this: I just dont trust Trump.

[Ostfriese]

Of course old, white, heterosexual cis males like Project 2025. It's supposed to put everyone back in line, into the space where they belong (in your/their opinion). You don't give a f* who they are and where they are, as long as they are behind you.


The problem which you either don't understand or willfully ignore: those who are ahead of you don't give a f* where you are in line (or about you in general), as long as you obediently stay behind them.

[Skybird]

Of course old, white, heterosexual cis males
Almost sounds like a compliment for sane reason.


The problem which you either don't understand or willfully ignore: those who are ahead of you don't give a f* where you are in line (or about you in general), as long as you obediently stay behind them.
Sounds like a description of Trump. And my stand on Trump should be clear by now.

[AVGWarhawk]

Of course old, white, heterosexual cis males like Project 2025. It's supposed to put everyone back in line, into the space where they belong (in your/their opinion). You don't give a f* who they are and where they are, as long as they are behind you.


The problem which you either don't understand or willfully ignore: those who are ahead of you don't give a f* where you are in line (or about you in general), as long as you obediently stay behind them.

On the same token, old white males are simply to accept woke agenda, DEI and extreme left views. Just fall in behind or be labeled a old F..ck cis. Obediently accept your medicine.

It's a 2 way street. Something you appear to willfully ignore.

To further that notion, the popular vote did not go to the far left candidate. Progressive "values" are something a overwhelming majority rejected at the voting booth.

Too add, the thread is a discussion about project 2025. It's not the place to air your grievances.

[August]

Sorry, I'm still getting over the image of Mike Huckabee or Tulsi Gabbard as Stormtroopers. :doh:

Will they get fancy black uniforms and hobnailed jackboots too Skybird?

Funny how the biggest proponents of Godwins Law never seem to notice the irony when they gleefully try to cast Trump as some kind of modern Fuhrer.

[Catfish]

I will not comment on project 2025, I admit it looks halfways reasonable.
Problem is how it will be done.

[August]

I will not comment on project 2025, I admit it looks halfways reasonable.
Problem is how it will be done.


It may not be done at all. This not something that Trump created or has endorsed.

[Catfish]

^ Of couse, it is not really Trump's idea.

[Skybird]

I will not comment on project 2025, I admit it looks halfways reasonable.
Problem is how it will be done.
The "how" in this case is the "who".

[AVGWarhawk]

^ Of couse, it is not really Trump's idea.

It is not Trumps idea.

[AVGWarhawk]

Sorry, I'm still getting over the image of Mike Huckabee or Tulsi Gabbard as Stormtroopers. :doh:

Will they get fancy black uniforms and hobnailed jackboots too Skybird?

Funny how the biggest proponents of Godwins Law never seem to notice the irony when they gleefully try to cast Trump as some kind of modern Fuhrer.

Tulsi in black boots....:D

[Catfish]

Tulsi in black boots....:D
"Tulsi is used as a remedy in Asia. Among other things, it is said to help with diseases of the digestive tract, stress and sensitivity to cold. It is also said to have an antibacterial effect, strengthen the immune system and help to lower cholesterol levels." (Wiki)


Suisse New Zurich Newspaper writes

"His announcement that he would appoint the right-wing provocateur Matt Gaetz as Attorney General and the former Democrat Tulsi Gabbard as Director of National Intelligence is sending shockwaves through Washington. With regard to international security policy, Gabbard's nomination is particularly alarming.

In this position, the 43-year-old former congresswoman will coordinate all 17 American intelligence agencies and oversee a vast apparatus. She lacks the necessary qualifications for this; although she has a military career, she has no direct connection to the world of intelligence and has never headed a major organization. The main problem, however, lies on another level. Gabbard has made a name for herself by protecting dictators around the world instead of acknowledging the threats they pose. She speaks about the Putin regime as if she were reading from a cheat sheet from Moscow propagandists."

https://www-nzz-ch.translate.goog/meinung/trump-zeigt-sein-radikales-gesicht-und-macht-dem-kreml-ein-grosses-geschenk-ld.1857468?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp&_x_tr_hist=true

Adding the black boots – win-win for T.

[u crank]

Adding the black boots – win-win for T.

Really?

[mapuc]

I came to think on all the comment around this Project 2025 by my pro-Democrats friend on FB.

In general they said, you would live in a society like the 30's Germany

Markus

[Skybird]

The only guy allowed to wear black boots amongst stromtroopers is Darth Vader himself. All others must wear white rubber boots.

[AVGWarhawk]

The only guy allowed to wear black boots amongst stromtroopers is Darth Vader himself. All others must wear white rubber boots.

Those in white rubber boots need to learn how to aim their weapons better. :har: