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Much has been made of illegals crossing the border to commit crimes in the US; however, the most serious sorts of crime involving retail theft and residential burglaries are being committed by well-organized gangs from outside the US who enter our country on tourist visas (hence, the term "crime tourism", commit their crimes and then return to wherever they came from thus avoiding possible detection by the authorities; this has been going on for quite a while and the blame for their activities has usually been placed on the homeless and the other border-crossing illegals, but the authorities have recently been effective in tracing just who is responsible; today it seem the 'good guys' scored a win...
6 arrested in crime tourism bust; group allegedly ran LA-based car rental company for thieves --
https://abc7.com/post/6-arrested-crime-tourism-bust-group-ran-southern-california-based-car-rental-company-catered-thieves-authorities-say/15239391/
Now, if the authorities could just apply the same efforts/attention to the organized home-grown gangs and group also plaguing retail businesses and residential homeowners, maybe we'd have something...
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Rockstar
08-28-24, 07:30 PM
Much has been made of illegals crossing the border to commit crimes in the US; however, the most serious sorts of crime involving retail theft and residential burglaries are being committed by well-organized gangs from outside the US who enter our country on tourist visas (hence, the term "crime tourism", commit their crimes and then return to wherever they came from thus avoiding possible detection by the authorities; this has been going on for quite a while and the blame for their activities has usually been placed on the homeless and the other border-crossing illegals, but the authorities have recently been effective in tracing just who is responsible; today it seem the 'good guys' scored a win...
6 arrested in crime tourism bust; group allegedly ran LA-based car rental company for thieves --
https://abc7.com/post/6-arrested-crime-tourism-bust-group-ran-southern-california-based-car-rental-company-catered-thieves-authorities-say/15239391/
Now, if the authorities could just apply the same efforts/attention to the organized home-grown gangs and group also plaguing retail businesses and residential homeowners, maybe we'd have something...
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They are coming from countries that are granted visa waivers which allow visitors to stay in the U.S. for up to 90 days without a visa.
But whether a non citizen crosses our border illegally or legally and break city, county or state laws by doing so they are breaking federal immigration law as well.
I’m not sure who’s committing the crimes in LA but local police have been complaining about an increase in crime since 2019 and crime in LA has risen by 40% since 2020. I’d wager much of that increase stems from poor control at the border or a failing judicial system.
They are coming from countries that are granted visa waivers which allow visitors to stay in the U.S. for up to 90 days without a visa.
But whether a non citizen crosses our border illegally or legally and break city, county or state laws by doing so they are breaking federal immigration law as well.
IÂ’m not sure whoÂ’s committing the crimes in LA but local police have been complaining about an increase in crime since 2019 and crime in LA has risen by 40% since 2020. IÂ’d wager much of that increase stems from poor control at the border or a failing judicial system.
You are right, you are not sure who's committing the crimes in LA, but I am curious where you got that 40% crime increase number; I choose to go straight to a reliable source, you know, the LAPD you say are "complaining about an increase in crime"; this is a link to the Official LAPD Crime Statistics for 2023:
LAPD RELEASES END OF YEAR CRIME STATISTICS FOR THE CITY OF LOS ANGELES 2023 --
https://mayor.lacity.gov/news/lapd-releases-end-year-crime-statistics-city-los-angeles-2023
Other than the "Traffic" category, crime is either down or has risen only by low single digits; I can't seem to find that elusive 4o% increase anywhere in there; you?...
There has been a loud and belligerent howl from rightwing media seeking to demonize Blue cities and states, but, when one looks at the actual stats, the crime rates in those places is either lower than the RW media loudly claims or has risen in some categories by far lees than claimed; there are not a few people in the alleged 'crime cesspools' who are scratching their heads over what the hell y'all are on about...
As far as your wager, as someone who has lived in LA well over 50 years, I can personally say I've seen it much, much worse in the past; and the bulk of our serious crime is the handiwork of home-grown street gangs and other organized opportunist who plague the city; border control on the Southern Border does us who are well north of the Border little good when the trouble is coming in, most often legally, through the airports and ports; if you really want to mitigate the effects of migrant crime, the whole system needs to be reviewed and revamped, not just a band aid of a wall...
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Rockstar
08-29-24, 05:58 AM
You are right, you are not sure who's committing the crimes in LA, but I am curious where you got that 40% crime increase number; I choose to go straight to a reliable source, you know, the LAPD you say are "complaining about an increase in crime"; this is a link to the Official LAPD Crime Statistics for 2023:
LAPD RELEASES END OF YEAR CRIME STATISTICS FOR THE CITY OF LOS ANGELES 2023 --
https://mayor.lacity.gov/news/lapd-releases-end-year-crime-statistics-city-los-angeles-2023
Other than the "Traffic" category, crime is either down or has risen only by low single digits; I can't seem to find that elusive 4o% increase anywhere in there; you?...
There has been a loud and belligerent howl from rightwing media seeking to demonize Blue cities and states, but, when one looks at the actual stats, the crime rates in those places is either lower than the RW media loudly claims or has risen in some categories by far lees than claimed; there are not a few people in the alleged 'crime cesspools' who are scratching their heads over what the hell y'all are on about...
As far as your wager, as someone who has lived in LA well over 50 years, I can personally say I've seen it much, much worse in the past; and the bulk of our serious crime is the handiwork of home-grown street gangs and other organized opportunist who plague the city; border control on the Southern Border does us who are well north of the Border little good when the trouble is coming in, most often legally, through the airports and ports; if you really want to mitigate the effects of migrant crime, the whole system needs to be reviewed and revamped, not just a band aid of a wall...
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You definitely have to look at local news outlets to find the numbers. Search crime ‘sanctuary cities’ and the results come back debunked, no crime spikes, all is well, it’s just a myth.
Search crime on local news sites like Tampa, FL which is also a sanctuary city. Crime over all is down but violent crime, is up since 2020.
I suppose we’d have to check court records to know who is actually committing the crimes. I’d wager it’s a combination of problems, immigration, poor economy, drug use the list goes on,
List of sanctuary cities: https://www.openthebooks.com/assets/1/7/Oversight_FederalFundingofAmericasSanctuaryCities. pdf
Hmm... :hmmm:
First of all, I'm still waiting on where you got that "40%" figure you quoted originally; surely you must have some way of getting a verifiable, reputable source for your claim; or are you just blowing gas again...
Okay, now let's look at a well known "sanctuary city", since you brought up the subject, say, like, San Francisco; here are some facts and figures...
How bad was crime in SF in 2023? We looked into it. --
https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/crime-2023-trends-san-francisco-18585737.php
We fact checked the most common claims about San Francisco crime --
https://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/San-Francisco-crime-Chesa-Boudin-London-Breed-16751930.php
...and, here, direct from the San Francisco Police Department's own website are the crime stats for 2024, YTD...
SFPD Crime Dashboard --
https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/stay-safe/crime-data/crime-dashboard
As can plainly be seen, much progress has been made, across the board, in the reduction in crime in the "sanctuary city of San Francisco; additionally, the SFPD is proactively utilizing technology to apprehend criminals almost as soon as they commit their crimes, as seen in this CBS News item from yesterday...
Watch: Drone captures auto burglary along San Francisco Embarcadero, suspects' arrest --
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/sanfrancisco/news/watch-drone-video-shows-san-francisco-police-busting-auto-burglary-suspects/
Again, I'm still waiting for a verification of your "40%" claim, although, knowing you, it will not be forthcoming...
I also just found out an interesting fact about the subject of "crime tourism"; it seems there is a whopping big loophole in the visa program when it comes to the country of Chile, from which a lot of the "crime tourists" are coming...
Passport to Profit: Visa Waivers Flying Burglars into American Neighborhoods --
https://www.fairus.org/blog/2024/03/25/passport-profit-visa-waivers-flying-burglars-american-neighborhoods
The problem was first brought to my attention by a radio interview here in LA where the person being interviewed brought up the subject of the Chile visa problem; I was curious and did some research and found the claim was, indeed, true; and, to those kneejerkers who will immediately blame Obama/Biden/Harris, et al, I do want to point out the problem started in 2014 and four four (4) of the intervening years, the reins of government were firmly in the hands of Trump, who, it seems, was too busy putting up defective, infective, tiny stretches of border wall to take the time to, as you like to put it, look at the "big picture" and do a really comprehensive job of reforming and restructuring the totality of immigration laws and policies; a goodly chunk of the blame lies at his feat and even more so given his constant bitching and whining and claiming he, alone, is tougher of illegal immigration...
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Rockstar
08-31-24, 03:25 PM
The 40% figure for Los Angeles came from a 2023 local NBC and LAtimes news outlet. Can’t remember the Tampa source but it was local news.
Funny thing is I just looked that up again and now see the exact opposite figures by the same sources in 2024.
Unless you want me to post the links you can see them for yourself in a search
Who the hell knows for sure what’s going on?
Apparently, I can't find the figure in the sources you cited; I'm going to have to go with the official police sources for the cited cities...
It is wise to be wary of local news 'statistics'; it must be remembered the local news is more geared to a sort of 'click bait' journalism, often going for a garish headline/story in order to pique viewer interest towards watching their brand of news; I can't begin to count how many times the local news stations here will run something in the early afternoon like "Health officials issue urgent health warning! The Story at 11:00 pm!"; they also tend to play fast and loose with the background related to their stories...
Case in point: there has been, in the past several months, much ado made by LA local news about 'rampant crime' on the LA area transit system, particularly the rail portion of the system; to hear them tell it, the trains are a hotbed of run amok criminals and the crime has only recently gotten worse; as I noted before, I've lived in LA over 50 years and have a lot of experience with the local transit; early on the system was, indeed, a rather scary ride, but that was because of a very inept managing agency looking to run as cheaply as possible, and, when that agency began the idea of adding rail service to the existing buss lines, they totally neglected the bus lines in favor of using their funds to finance the rail projects; it got so bad for the bus riders a class action suit was filed in Federal Court and the Court ordered the then agency to divert funds away from their rail projects and make significant changes and improvements to the bus service; since then, another new agency has taken control of the transit system and has been pretty good about the upkeep and improvement of the system while being able to add vital rail services; the very first rail line was called the Blue Line and ran from Downton LA to the City of Long Beach, roughly 20 miles distant; the line runs through some of the toughest neighborhood in LA and Long Beach, including places like Watts, Compton, etc., so the line was a prime target for the gangs and other miscreants; when the subway lines opened later, they too attracted a criminal element and a homeless problem; but the problem was pretty much ignored by the local TV press until the system had a significant modification that expanded the reach of disconnected lines into a more unified whole; this meant riders from the 'safer' parts of the county were sharing trains and buses with 'those people' and an uproar began that was seized up by the TV news; I ride the transit system regularly, since I no longer drive, and to be honest, the perceptible crime problems I've experienced a not really much different that they were before; the homeless problem has slightly become more annoying/troublesome; what has happened is the usual thing of the crime is much worse its just happening to the 'right people' so the attention has increased; there is also the rather recent filming of anything and everything on cell phones, so it mainly appears crime is much worse; when there weren't any omnipresent cell phones vids and the victims/perpetrators were mainly 'those people', there really wasn't much interest in the crime rate, but, now the 'quality' of the offenses is different, so the local news has glommed onto the idea and, if you believe them, a trip to the store on the transit system is akin to a ride through Afghanistan...
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Rockstar
08-31-24, 06:23 PM
I’m pretty much lit right now. But,
looking at FBI stats it appears to me violent crime has dropped like a rock since 1990.
Looking at those same stats there does appear to be an increase in violent crime starting in 2020. But honestly I’d consider it just a blip on the radar, insignificant compared to what used to be. According to FBI statistics violent crime is already on the decline again.
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