View Full Version : USS Harder found
Shadowblade
05-24-24, 10:54 AM
Discovery of WWII Submarine "Hit 'Em Harder" USS Harder and Crew Gravesite
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/discovery-of-wwii-submarine-hit-em-harder-uss-harder-and-crew-gravesite-302153454.html (https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/discovery-of-wwii-submarine-hit-em-harder-uss-harder-and-crew-gravesite-302153454.html)
HARDER was officially credited with having sunk 20.5 enemy ships, (The half credit was given for a ship sunk cooperatively with HADDO).
This gave HARDER a total of 82,500 tons sunk and she damaged seven ships for 29,000 tons.
(https://aussiedlerbote.de/en/find-of-destroyed-u-s-navy-submarine-uss-harder-in-philippines-waters-during-wwii/)
https://www.oneternalpatrol.com/USS-Harder-257-Crew-a.jpg
Aktungbby
05-24-24, 11:33 AM
:Kaleun_Salute: The US Navy officially verified Lost 52 Project's discovery of the USS Harder made at a depth of 1140 meters (3750 feet) in South China Sea.I'm somewhat amazed Beijing would allow such a thing to take place in their sea!!??:timeout::oops: :x
Otto Harkaman
05-24-24, 03:43 PM
China stealing metal from WW2 shipwrecks?
Yes, there have been reports of a Chinese ship accused of looting iconic World War II shipwrecks¹. An illegal Chinese salvage operation, suspected to have looted two iconic World War II shipwrecks, was seized by Malaysian authorities¹. The shipwrecks in question are the British ships HMS Prince of Wales and the HMS Repulse, both of which are designated war graves¹.
Scrap steel, aluminum, brass fittings, and ammunition believed to have belonged to these British ships were discovered aboard the Chinese cargo ship Chuan Hong 68¹. This ship was boarded and searched after authorities found that the vessel was not authorized to anchor in the waters under Malaysian jurisdiction¹.
The alleged Chinese looting has sparked outrage and concern from both the British and their allies². In 2017, The Guardian reported that more than 40 Australian, Dutch, and Japanese warships had been destroyed by looting operations in the same waters off Indonesia and Singapore¹.
Old shipwrecks are increasingly targeted by scavengers for their rare low-background steel, also known as 'pre-war steel'. The low radiation in the steel makes it a rare and valuable resource for use in medical and scientific equipment¹. This is a serious issue as it not only disrespects the memory of those who lost their lives in these ships but also destroys important historical artifacts.
Source: Conversation with Copilot, 5/24/2024
(1) Chinese ship accused of looting iconic WWII shipwrecks - Military Times. https://www.militarytimes.com/off-duty/military-culture/2023/06/01/chinese-ship-accused-of-looting-iconic-wwii-wrecks/.
(2) U.K. Royal Navy ‘Distressed and Concerned’ by Illegal Chinese Salvage .... https://news.usni.org/2023/05/25/u-k-royal-navy-distressed-and-concerned-by-illegal-chinese-salvage-of-wwii-wrecks.
(3) China accused of looting from British Second World War warship wrecks. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/05/30/china-second-world-war-warships-graves-uncontaminated-steel/.
(4) Chinese-registered ship detained on suspicion of looting wreckages of .... https://news.sky.com/story/chinese-registered-ship-detained-on-suspicion-of-looting-wreckages-of-british-warships-12892516.
Otto Harkaman
05-24-24, 03:47 PM
https://64.media.tumblr.com/46e6ca27b40a8d41570137a1ba4e0d8c/tumblr_nvrjf3ueO51usoe6mo1_1280.jpg
The wreck of the USS Harder (SS 257), a renowned World War II submarine, has been discovered⁴⁵. The discovery was made with the help of the "Lost 52 Project," which aims to locate the 52 submarines lost during World War II¹. The wreck site was confirmed by the Naval History and Heritage Command (NHHC) using data collected and provided by Tim Taylor, CEO of Tiburon Subsea and the Lost 52 Project⁴⁵.
The USS Harder, also known as the "Hit 'em HARDER" submarine, was found off the Philippines, sitting upright and "relatively intact" at a depth of more than 3,000 feet²⁴⁵. The vessel is relatively intact except for the depth-charge damage aft of the conning tower⁴⁵.
The USS Harder was commissioned on Dec. 2, 1942, with Cmdr. Samuel D. Dealey in command, and was lost at sea with 79 souls aboard on Aug. 24, 1944⁴⁵. The submarine was known for its audacious attacks and sank the most Japanese warships⁴⁵. Its fifth war patrol was the submarine’s most successful, depleting the critical supply of destroyers by sinking three of them and heavily damaging or destroying two others in four days⁴⁵.
The discovery of the USS Harder is a significant find, allowing us to honor the valor of the crew and remember the price of victory and freedom⁴⁵.
Source: Conversation with Copilot, 5/24/2024
(1) WWII “Hit ‘em HARDER” submarine wreck site confirmed - NHHC. https://www.history.navy.mil/news-and-events/news/2024/WWII-submarine-wreck-confirmed.html.
(2) WWII “Hit ‘em HARDER” submarine wreck site confirmed. https://www.navy.mil/Press-Office/News-Stories/Article/3787069/wwii-hit-em-harder-submarine-wreck-site-confirmed/.
(3) Wreckage of famed 'Hit 'em HARDER' submarine found in South China Sea: See video. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/wreckage-of-famed-hit-em-harder-submarine-found-in-south-china-sea-see-video/ar-BB1mZZs0.
(4) Legendary U.S. World War II submarine located 3,000 feet underwater off the Philippines. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/legendary-us-wwii-submarine-located-3000-feet-underwater/ar-BB1mZxLb.
(5) USS Harder: Wreck of famed US Navy World War II sub found off Philippines. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/uss-harder-wreck-of-famed-us-navy-world-war-ii-sub-found-off-the-philippines/ar-BB1mXCLN.
(6) USS Harder: WW2 submarine wreck found off Philippines - BBC. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ceqq8gn014xo.
vBulletin® v3.8.11, Copyright ©2000-2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.