Kennedy Assasination: A very sad 60th anniversary of the death of a sitting president

[Commander Wallace]

Today marks the 60th anniversary of the shooting of president Kennedy in Dealy Plaza in Dallas Texas. The Warren Commission concluded that the President was killed by Lee Harvey Oswald.

Cyril Wecht, a Forensic Pathologist who had worked on Kenndey at Parkland Hospital has said the Commission's report is badly flawed. Dr. Wecht concluded there had to be at least two shooters and is not at all convinced that Lee Harvey Oswald was one of the shooters. Oswald had tested negative for a paraffin test meaning Oswald didn't fire a weapon.

https://www.wtae.com/article/kennedy-assassination-dr-cyril-wecht-offers-his-perspective/45918015

Snipers have sought to recreate the shooting and have collectively said that it wasn't possible to get off three shots with a relatively cheap rifle in a few seconds and score lethal hits as Oswald is purported to do. Jesse brings up some interesting points.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t7lLxE9bVY

Former Minnesota Governor Jess Ventura, who had been a Navy Seal has publicly said that the shots Oswald is purported to have made were impossible.

What is known is that a sitting president was killed who absolutely didn't want American troops committed to Vietnam. Vice president Johnson took over for Kennedy and committed troops to Vietnam and America had a direct 8 year war in Vietnam and lost 58, 220 American personnel and many others wounded.

How different things might have been had President Kennedy lived. Jack Kennedy's brother " Bobby " Kennedy was killed less than 5 years later on June 6th, 1968 as he was running for President of the U.S.

Decide for yourself if that doesn't scream conspiracy in removing the Kennedy's from further contention in American Politics.


* Edit: I had mistakenly stated that Jesse Ventura had been a NAVY Seal. Jesse Had completed UDT ( Underwater Demolition Teams ) and are considered an Amphibious unit. Because he graduated BUD/S in class 58 in December 1970 and was part of Underwater Demolition Team 12 which became SEAL Delivery Vehicle Team One. His claim of being a SEAL rests on whether one agrees that UDTs and SEALs are one in the same.

My apologies for any confusion.

[Otto Harkaman]

Its easy to watch the shooting video and realize there is no way that is a bolt action rifle, its a semi-automatic rifle probably an m14 style sniper rifle.

https://media.istockphoto.com/id/518170969/photo/m14-sniper-rifle-isolated.jpg?s=612x612&w=0&k=20&c=rLhm6R1cAZ-eWP98FvWiic4xxQhI-rf-eVTyZrEJZ8w=

[Commander Wallace]

Its easy to watch the shooting video and realize there is no way that is a bolt action rifle, its a semi-automatic rifle probably an m14 style sniper rifle.

https://media.istockphoto.com/id/518170969/photo/m14-sniper-rifle-isolated.jpg?s=612x612&w=0&k=20&c=rLhm6R1cAZ-eWP98FvWiic4xxQhI-rf-eVTyZrEJZ8w=


The weapon purported to have been used in the Kennedy Assination by Oswald was a bolt action, scoped, Mannlicher-Carcano rifle of Italian design in 6.5x52mm caliber, not an M14.

[Otto Harkaman]

Its just my opinion :smug:

and it wasn't Johnson who was Kennedy's enemy but IKE

https://ids.si.edu/ids/deliveryService?max_w=800&id=NPG-9400410C_1

[Otto Harkaman]

Yes and the Diem assassination and Coup in Vietnam twenty days before is connected. Its all a legacy of these Intelligence and Covert operations departments, agencies, groups etc. that evolved out of WWII that we are afflicted with today. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ngo_Dinh_Diem

[Jimbuna]

I doubt the real truth, whatever that is will ever be known.

[Commander Wallace]

Its just my opinion :smug:

and it wasn't Johnson who was Kennedy's enemy but IKE

https://ids.si.edu/ids/deliveryService?max_w=800&id=NPG-9400410C_1


You may well be right on that, too. I really doubt we will ever know for sure about the events of that day.

[mapuc]

As a former KGB said in a documentary

Find the motive behind the assassin and you will find the killer(s)

Markus

[August]

I personally know folks who have duplicated Oswalds shots successfully. It certainly is doable with a bolt action rifle, especially by a trained marksman familiar with the weapon.

[Aktungbby]

Oswald said it best: https://www.commonsenseeasternshore.org/opinion-oswald-im-just-a-patsy-the-jfk-assassination-revisited Bottom LINE: parts of a brain simply do not come to rest on the trunk of a moving limo from a shot(s) fired from behind and above from a warehouse window: https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/NINTCHDBPICT000451073342.jpg?strip=all&w=960...that comes from shots fired from 'grassy knolls" in front of the limo! I've not changed my opinion since I was a seventh grader.

[mapuc]

It was the Secret Service who shot him by mistake.

Seen this in a documentary.

Markus

[August]

Some people desperately want to believe otherwise, but the truth of the matter is JFK was shot by Lee Harvey Oswald and nobody else. You can argue who if anyone put him up to it, the Soviets or the Mob being the two most likely culprits, but like I said earlier it is a completely doable shot from the school book depository for someone with Oswalds marksmanship skills.

His rifle was an Italian Carcano M91/38 chambered for 6.5 x 52 mm rounds.

BTW an M14 is chambered 7.62 x 51 mm. Not the same bullet.

[mapuc]

Some people desperately want to believe otherwise, but the truth of the matter is JFK was shot by Lee Harvey Oswald and nobody else. You can argue who if anyone put him up to it, the Soviets or the Mob being the two most likely culprits, but like I said earlier it is a completely doable shot from the school book depository for someone with Oswalds marksmanship skills.

His rifle was an Italian Carcano M91/38 chambered for 6.5 x 52 mm rounds.

BTW an M14 is chambered 7.62 x 51 mm. Not the same bullet.

Oswald fired the first shot who hit him in the neck. The second shot came from a weapon in front of the limo.
Tried to find this documentary on YT without any luck it was produced by some Australian company.

I say it's plausible

Markus

[Commander Wallace]

Some people desperately want to believe otherwise, but the truth of the matter is JFK was shot by Lee Harvey Oswald and nobody else. You can argue who if anyone put him up to it, the Soviets or the Mob being the two most likely culprits, but like I said earlier it is a completely doable shot from the school book depository for someone with Oswalds marksmanship skills.

His rifle was an Italian Carcano M91/38 chambered for 6.5 x 52 mm rounds.

BTW an M14 is chambered 7.62 x 51 mm. Not the same bullet.


As I understand it, a good number of marksmen that have demonstrable records have been unable to duplicate these shots. If as you say these shots have been duplicated, I'm left to wonder why there isn't any record of this. The shots may be possible but not with this cheap bolt action done in only a few seconds.

Aktung had also said that material from JFK was found on the trunk of the limo. The kinetic energy transferred to JFK required to fling his head backwards had to be from the front. I agree with that.

Further, there is the magic bullet that hit JFK and Govenor Connely and ended up in Pristine condition on JFK's gurney. Forensic Pathologist Cyril Wecht has said the same as did the Physicians who treated JFK who saw the forward entrance wounds. They and their families were threatened to keep quiet.

If as you said, there would be no need to threaten anyone. Further, The Secret service, FBI and other agencies had wrapped up their " investigation " mere hours after JFK was killed. This should tell you everything.

[August]

If as you say these shots have been duplicated, I'm left to wonder why there isn't any record of this. The shots may be possible but not with this cheap bolt action done in only a few seconds.

I have seen it done with my own eyes by the 10th Special Forces Sniper Team back in the early 1980's. It was repeated twice by different shooters with that same model rifle as Oswald used.

Aktung had also said that material from JFK was found on the trunk of the limo. The kinetic energy transferred to JFK required to fling his head backwards had to be from the front. I agree with that.

AK is not a ballistics expert.

Further, there is the magic bullet that hit JFK and Govenor Connely and ended up in Pristine condition on JFK's gurney. Forensic Pathologist Cyril Wecht has said the same as did the Physicians who treated JFK who saw the forward entrance wounds. They and their families were threatened to keep quiet.

If as you said, there would be no need to threaten anyone. Further, The Secret service, FBI and other agencies had wrapped up their " investigation " mere hours after JFK was killed. This should tell you everything.The FBI alone conducted 25,000 interviews and ran down 10's of thousands of investigative leads. https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/jfk-assassination

Doesn't sound like anything was wrapped up in mere hours.

Believe what you want, i don't expect anyone to change their mind about it but as far as i'm concerned it's just another conspiracy theory much like how 9-11 was supposed to be an inside job.

[Rockstar]

I personally know folks who have duplicated Oswalds shots successfully. It certainly is doable with a bolt action rifle, especially by a trained marksman familiar with the weapon.

I think there was an episode on Myth Busters which showed it could be done and the bullet travelled dang near the exact same path.

[em2nought]

I'm pretty sure President Trump is still alive because "they" don't think they could get away with it twice. They've had to find other methods of assassination. I'm not exactly sure who the "they" is though. :hmmm: Sure seems like the benefactors of both is going to be the military industrial complex.

[Otto Harkaman]

The Intelligence Covert Military Complex

[Commander Wallace]

I have seen it done with my own eyes by the 10th Special Forces Sniper Team back in the early 1980's. It was repeated twice by different shooters with that same model rifle as Oswald used.

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AK is not a ballistics expert.

The FBI alone conducted 25,000 interviews and ran down 10's of thousands of investigative leads. https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/jfk-assassination

Doesn't sound like anything was wrapped up in mere hours.

Believe what you want, i don't expect anyone to change their mind about it but as far as i'm concerned it's just another conspiracy theory much like how 9-11 was supposed to be an inside job.


It's a contentious issue to be sure. Although I didn't see it, I know people within different teams that were not able to duplicate the shots with that weapon. When you say you have seen it done, were the actual conditions duplicated as well including the car, speed, distances, elevation etc.... ?


Cyril Wecht is an expert and has said there were other shooters involved. JFK's brain disappeared and other Forensic Pathologists were never allowed to see his brain in the course of an " Investigation." There are too many discrepancies, Do you believe that Oswald was killed by a " patriot " Jack Ruby ? No, it was to shut him up.

[Rockstar]

Well OK maybe it wasn’t mythbusters ;). Maybe Schiff has the evidence. :har:

https://youtu.be/Q7ERXm9OwuE?si=rh_Pdf9belaFshbR

[August]

When you say you have seen it done, were the actual conditions duplicated as well including the car, speed, distances, elevation etc.... ?

Yes it was specifically done to duplicate the conditions including the type of rifle and scope that was used. They also simulated shooting from the grassy knoll but that angle was nearly 90 degrees and a much harder target to hit than Oswalds vantage point which had the limo traveling almost directly away from him. I saw that one tried 4 times and they only managed to get a hit once.

Cyril Wecht is an expert and has said there were other shooters involved. JFK's brain disappeared and other Forensic Pathologists were never allowed to see his brain in the course of an " Investigation." There are too many discrepancies, Do you believe that Oswald was killed by a " patriot " Jack Ruby ? No, it was to shut him up.I agree it was likely done to shut him up which is why I think there is some merit to the idea that somebody put Oswald up to it. The Russians are another suspect given that Oswald had defected to them just a few years earlier.

[d@rk51d3]

Oswald fired the first shot who hit him in the neck. The second shot came from a weapon in front of the limo.
Tried to find this documentary on YT without any luck it was produced by some Australian company.

I say it's plausible

Markus

I saw that one a while ago too.

Usual security detachment were too drunk/hungover to go on duty, so a green crew was assigned.

Oswalds shot injured JFK. One of the new security personnel, sitting with his finger on the trigger jumped at the sound and inadvertently pulled his own trigger, making the fatal shot.

[August]

I saw that one a while ago too.

Usual security detachment were too drunk/hungover to go on duty, so a green crew was assigned.

Oswalds shot injured JFK. One of the new security personnel, sitting with his finger on the trigger jumped at the sound and inadvertently pulled his own trigger, making the fatal shot.


There is absolutely no way a pistol round can be confused with a rifle round.

[d@rk51d3]

There is absolutely no way a pistol round can be confused with a rifle round.

Apparently someone in the car behind had rifle?

Found the doco source:

https://isbnsearch.org/isbn/9780733630446


https://www.screenaustralia.gov.au/the-screen-guide/t/jfk--the-smoking-gun-2013/32168/

[August]

Apparently someone in the car behind had rifle?

Found the doco source:

https://isbnsearch.org/isbn/9780733630446


I find that very hard to believe. Even harder to believe that such a discharge would not have shattered the windshield.



https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/85aa92f3ca9f87aea3ba8af0cce7d9d28d938137/0_0_4171_2826/master/4171.jpg?width=880&dpr=1&s=none

[Dowly]

They also simulated shooting from the grassy knoll but that angle was nearly 90 degrees and a much harder target to hit than Oswalds vantage point which had the limo traveling almost directly away from him. I saw that one tried 4 times and they only managed to get a hit once.
This is something everyone seems to forget or not be aware of when talking about another shooter. The conspiracy theory states that there had to be another shooter somewhere to the front of JFK due to his head movement and that shooter is often placed on the Grassy Knoll. However, as you say, the shot from the GK would be coming from JFK's left side at the time of the third and fatal hit.

There's a whole lot of suspect stuff surrounding the JFK assassination, but the shooting itself can be (and has been) traced clearly to have had been carried out by Oswald and Oswald alone.

[les green01]

the commie got off all three with two being hits if you watch the film done that day jfk head is starting to lean down and towards jackie the autospy photos shows entry back of the head right top exit right side of brain is complete gone while the left brain had no damage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC8tO16xdrY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptt1ti63IiE&t=21s
this guy does a good job covering everything although he says the second shot was the neck shot not the first

[Otto Harkaman]

https://youtu.be/aPdQy9d11Ic?si=KHolePH4cwQ6Udy6

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. outlined his belief that the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) were involved in his uncle JFK's assassination. He stated that disgruntled members of the CIA were angry at President Kennedy for his perceived betrayal during the Bay of Pigs invasion and his controversial relationship with Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev. Kennedy Jr. outlined a secretive line of communication established between his uncle and Khrushchev to avoid war, with an agent named Georgie Bochco acting as a courier. Kennedy Jr. even claimed that on the day of his uncle's assassination, Castro was meeting to discuss ending the embargo on Cuba, indicating that the assassination potentially disrupted peace efforts. Additionally, he added that President Kennedy had signed an order 30 days prior to his death, calling for all U.S. troops to return home from Vietnam.

Makes me think of Air America and the CIA
https://youtu.be/AkVnLYZAKwM?si=vXsKtIpalRJqnfHV

Look all the crazy stuff that happened under the Reagan administration with Intelligence Covert Military Ops intertwining multiple regions and operations to support themselves, Iran-Contra etc.

[Otto Harkaman]

https://youtu.be/c5zw1eOIW9M?si=a7Ktk7315isfifnl

[mapuc]

About the shooting the best evidence there is out there is Zapruder's 8 mm video clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zwG3QdPLfw&ab_channel=mrViss

Markus

[Dowly]

About the shooting the best evidence there is out there is Zapruder's 8 mm video clip.


MarkusQuite. Just not that version of it which has been post processed to the point it is useless. :o


Here's a better version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBJFT-OyDEc


If you go frame by frame (use . and , on your keyboard), you can see the forward motion of JFK's head as the third shot lands, further proving it came from behind.

[Otto Harkaman]

^ ? you can see at 0.20 to 0.21 he is struck in the front of the head and his head goes back :-?

[Dowly]

^ ? you can see at 0.20 to 0.21 he is struck in the front of the head and his head goes back :-?
You'll have to look harder. Go back few frames before the hit and pay attention to JFK's head: it is stationary, then on the frame you see the impact his head moves very slightly forward before then reversing direction backwards.

You can see the forward motion better in this gif:
https://www.jfk-online.com/Closeup_312-313.gif

[Jeff-Groves]

JFK wore a back brace. The impact from behind would push him forward but that brace would cause the backwards motion.

[em2nought]

I wonder where we'd be now if this had never happened, just like I wonder where we'd be now if the last "election" wasn't the sham it was. No Vietnam? No Ukraine? No Israel? :hmmm:

[Sean C]

I made a video about the assassination after I found two autopsy photos of the President which can be used in a stereo viewer. This gives a full, top-down, 3D picture of the President's head wound, with what's left of his brain still intact. I posted the video on YouTube 14 years ago. It's gotten well over half a million views since then.

The photos have been available on the internet for decades, and still are. I thought it was unbelievable that no one seemed to have noticed them before. I thought other people would feel the same. But mostly, I just get comments about how much people hate bagpipe music. :/

I also made a gif that alternates between z312 and z313, the two Zapruder film frames which show the President just before and just after the fatal shot. They clearly show the President's head move forward a few inches at the instant of the fatal shot, before he slumps backward.

As I've said in the video, and in the comments: I don't know if there were multiple shooters. I don't even know if Oswald was involved at all. But after looking at the 3D photos and the Zapruder film, I believe the fatal shot came from behind the President. The wound in the photo is entirely consistent with the Z film. And I think it would be rather difficult to fake a 3D photo and an 8mm film in 1963 with no computers.

Here is a link to the gif: Z Film gif (https://www.dropbox.com/s/epp0popdbub72md/Z_Film.gif?dl=0) You can easily find my video on YouTube.

[Jeff-Groves]

I shoot high power airguns.
I have set gourds on stands useing braces. What happens is they go towards the movement of the slug on impact and the braces cause them to move back towards the original position.

It's not rocket science. Just the laws of physics!

[Otto Harkaman]

Well it looks like it is a hit from the front and she sees it so her natural instinct is to crawl out the back thinking the shooter is in the front. Why would she crawl towards the shooter?

https://images.fineartamerica.com/images/artworkimages/mediumlarge/3/the-famous-jfk-magic-bullet-unknown.jpg

[Dowly]

Well it looks like it is a hit from the front and she sees it so her natural instinct is to crawl out the back thinking the shooter is in the front. Why would she crawl towards the shooter?She is looking at JFK when he is shot, so she possibly couldn't see where the shot came from. Trying to make sense as to what and why she does what she did is pointless. She just saw her husband's head pop open, she tried to simply get away from the situation.


Edit: Re: "magic bullet" That's just one image of it, others show it is much more damaged than that.

[les green01]

Clint Hill done a lot of interviews reason she climb on the trunk was to get peices and stuff from the head wound and even said she had grab some and he be the one to know after all his ass is the one hanging out on the car if you watch the film in slow mo you will see the gore flying out the front of his head and car moving at 11mph so wind going carry a lot of it backwards and the witnesses several of them seen the rifle being use the guys below the 6th floor could even hear the eject casings hit the floor above them i think the problem is people don't want to think a loser like him could get that lucky also witness said they seen him at a range had the scope sighted in and was target shooting if you ever been there its not that great of a distance what 265 feet which comes out to 88 yards and a slow moving target

[mapuc]

The building where Oswald fired his rifle from had a perfect view when Kennedy came driving down the avenue. So why didn't he fire his rifle there. Why wait until Kennedy is in front of some leaf and branches(there was a tree in the path, if I remember correctly)

Markus

[em2nought]

I'm probably a better shot than Lee Harvey Oswald, and I don't picture myself being able to make that third shot. After the first shot I'd have been a mess with my brain telling me what's coming for me. I don't picture him as the calm cool collected type. :hmmm:

My rifle sharpshooter qualification is a simulated rifle qualification though.

[les green01]

The building where Oswald fired his rifle from had a perfect view when Kennedy came driving down the avenue. So why didn't he fire his rifle there. Why wait until Kennedy is in front of some leaf and branches(there was a tree in the path, if I remember correctly)

Markus
Clint Hill says they would have spotted him after all people across the street seen him and the rifle for JFK that would have been the best back then the trees not as tall as they are now so it didn't take long for them to get in the open

[les green01]

I'm probably a better shot than Lee Harvey Oswald, and I don't picture myself being able to make that third shot. After the first shot I'd have been a mess with my brain telling me what's coming for me. I don't picture him as the calm cool collected type. :hmmm:

My rifle sharpshooter qualification is a simulated rifle qualification though.
On December 21, 1956, Oswald was tested for marksmanship with his rifle on five different exercises—from 200, 300 and 500 yards firing slowly and from 200 and 300 yards firing rapidly. Based on these results a Marine would be rated by a defined scoring system: over 190 points was considered a marksman, over 210 was a sharpshooter, and over 220 was considered an expert. Oswald scored 212 and was rated in the middle as a sharpshooter. For the slow test, the target was 10" tall by 10" wide. For the rapid fire test the target was 26" wide by 19" tall. A closer examination of Oswald's 200 yard rapid fire result shows he hit 8/10 bullseyes and scored 48 out of 50. An expert rating on this test would have required a minimum score of 44 points (44 points x 5 tests = 220 points required). On his next test, 300 yards in rapid fire, Oswald hit 7/10 bullseyes scoring 46 out of 50. Again an expert rating on this test would have required a result of 44. So in both tests that most closely matched the conditions in the Kennedy assassination for rapid fire shooting Oswald scored above an expert level. Additionally on his third test from 500 yards firing slowly, Oswald scored 46 out of a possible 50: again shooting above an expert level.after the first shot he knows the odds are against him so least take the target out even then he just manage to escape think he down on the fourth floor when he runs into the manager and police officer with the manger telling the officer that oswald works here and out of the door he goes gets on the bus just think if the bus hadnt been able to drive away

[Dowly]

Something I find worth noting is how Oswald landed the book depository job in the first place is strong indication that it was a opportunistic killing.

Around mid-October, Oswald's wife heard from their neighbour that another neighbour had gotten a job at the Depository. The first neighbour then asked the other if he could ask for a job for Oswald. #2 told #1 to tell Oswald's wife that there might be need for more workers at the Depository. Oswald and another man were hired and by chance the manager decided to have Oswald work at the Depository while he sent the other new employee to work at another location.

This all happened around mid-October, a whole month before it was even internally decided where JFK would speak in Dallas and which route the motorcade would take.

I mean, does that sound like a carefully planned conspiracy to assassinate JFK?

[les green01]

Something I find worth noting is how Oswald landed the book depository job in the first place is strong indication that it was a opportunistic killing.

Around mid-October, Oswald's wife heard from their neighbour that another neighbour had gotten a job at the Depository. The first neighbour then asked the other if he could ask for a job for Oswald. #2 told #1 to tell Oswald's wife that there might be need for more workers at the Depository. Oswald and another man were hired and by chance the manager decided to have Oswald work at the Depository while he sent the other new employee to work at another location.

This all happened around mid-October, a whole month before it was even internally decided where JFK would speak in Dallas and which route the motorcade would take.

I mean, does that sound like a carefully planned conspiracy to assassinate JFK?
don't forget they didn't release the parade rout until Nov 19th

[mapuc]

Within minutes after this fatale shooting every Police officer in Dallas knew about Oswald.

This is from my memory in a book I read some years ago. JFK.

There is also an another movie I would recommend.

3 Shots with Burt Lancaster

Markus

[les green01]

Within minutes after this fatale shooting every Police officer in Dallas knew about Oswald.

This is from my memory in a book I read some years ago. JFK.

There is also an another movie I would recommend.

3 Shots with Burt Lancaster

Markus
Oswald just barely made it out police didn't know it was Oswald until after they arrested him he did match the profile of the person shooting JFK which is why officer Tippit stop him when Tippit got out Oswald pump 4 38's into him in front of 12 people went into the theater when the police show up he went for the 38 again only thing that save that officer was when he grab the 38 the meat and skin of his thumb got between the hammer and gun so the 38 couldn't fire if you look at Oswald forehead he has a cut he got that when they smack in the head with a 38 butt one of the failors i see is with the fbi why didnt they alert dallas police Oswald was in dallas and alert the secert service

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vH2Et_uxiU

[Otto Harkaman]

https://youtu.be/Rl60yWSgRyA?si=qItqZYDFyOAqL8gk

[Dowly]

Here are few questions to ponder, I am not expecting anyone to answer, just throwing them out there.

1. Were there one or two shooters?
2. If there was a second shooter, where was he?
3. If one or more shots came from the front, how is it possible that 1+x bullet fragments were found INSIDE the limo? (the "pristine bullet" + fragments of a second one)
4. If there was a shooter on the Grassy Knoll, nearly 90 degrees to the right of JFK, how come Jackie wasn't wounded? She was right next to him, on his left side. No bullet was found in JFK's head, so it must've exited.
5. If there was shooter somewhere to the front of the limo, where did the bullet go after passing through JFK's head? There must've been an exit wound somewhere in the right-back side of his head. (1) Again, no bullet was found inside his head.
6. Autopsy report mentions a clean bullet hole in the back of the head. How does that support shooting from front/side?
7. Eyewitness say they either heard shots from around the depository, or from the Grassy Knoll area. Only a handful mention shots from TWO areas. Who's right? Majority heard shots from either or, so according to them, there was only ONE shooter. Either in the depository or on the Grassy Knoll. Which one is it.
7b. Most eyewitnesses heard three shots. Can a shooter on the Grassy Knoll achieve the wounds with three shots? How about one shooter in the depository?


(1)*The Zapruder film shows clearly that JFK's head was turned slightly down and to his left.

[em2nought]

On December 21, 1956, Oswald was tested for marksmanship with his rifle on five different exercises—from 200, 300 and 500 yards firing slowly and from 200 and 300 yards firing rapidly. Based on these results a Marine would be rated by a defined scoring system: over 190 points was considered a marksman, over 210 was a sharpshooter, and over 220 was considered an expert. Oswald scored 212 and was rated in the middle as a sharpshooter. For the slow test, the target was 10" tall by 10" wide. For the rapid fire test the target was 26" wide by 19" tall. A closer examination of Oswald's 200 yard rapid fire result shows he hit 8/10 bullseyes and scored 48 out of 50. An expert rating on this test would have required a minimum score of 44 points (44 points x 5 tests = 220 points required). On his next test, 300 yards in rapid fire, Oswald hit 7/10 bullseyes scoring 46 out of 50. Again an expert rating on this test would have required a result of 44. So in both tests that most closely matched the conditions in the Kennedy assassination for rapid fire shooting Oswald scored above an expert level. Additionally on his third test from 500 yards firing slowly, Oswald scored 46 out of a possible 50: again shooting above an expert level.after the first shot he knows the odds are against him so least take the target out even then he just manage to escape think he down on the fourth floor when he runs into the manager and police officer with the manger telling the officer that oswald works here and out of the door he goes gets on the bus just think if the bus hadnt been able to drive away

For some reason, I thought he was only a "Marksman" so yeah he was a better shot than me.

[Otto Harkaman]

Was it Allen Dulles who ordered the hit on JFK?:-?

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During the Kennedy Administration, Dulles faced increasing criticism. In autumn 1961, following the Bay of Pigs incident and the Algiers putsch against Charles de Gaulle, Dulles and his entourage, including Deputy Director for Plans Richard M. Bissell Jr. and Deputy Director Charles Cabell, were forced to resign. On November 28, 1961, Kennedy presented Dulles with the National Security Medal at the CIA Headquarters in Langley, Virginia. The next day, November 29, the White House released a resignation letter signed by Dulles. He was replaced by John McCone. :hmmm:

On November 29, 1963, President Lyndon B. Johnson appointed Dulles as one of seven commissioners of the Warren Commission to investigate the assassination of the U.S. President John F. Kennedy.:huh:

CIA career brief on Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Dulles#CIA_career

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Was it Allen Dulles who ordered the hit on JFK?:-?

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During the Kennedy Administration, Dulles faced increasing criticism. In autumn 1961, following the Bay of Pigs incident and the Algiers putsch against Charles de Gaulle, Dulles and his entourage, including Deputy Director for Plans Richard M. Bissell Jr. and Deputy Director Charles Cabell, were forced to resign. On November 28, 1961, Kennedy presented Dulles with the National Security Medal at the CIA Headquarters in Langley, Virginia. The next day, November 29, the White House released a resignation letter signed by Dulles. He was replaced by John McCone. :hmmm:

On November 29, 1963, President Lyndon B. Johnson appointed Dulles as one of seven commissioners of the Warren Commission to investigate the assassination of the U.S. President John F. Kennedy.:huh:

CIA career brief on Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Dulles#CIA_career

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100's of people work on the commission with higher ambition doing the ground and dirty work interviews the whole 9 yards one went as far to say i wanted to find a conspiracy when i join if i would have i would be in congress not John Glenn so let say someone hired Oswald don't know why anyone would he fail at being a Marine,he fail in russia,fail with jobs,fail at his marriage,went to mexico to get to cuba fail at that even Ruth Payne said she wouldn't have hired him for anything so the only income he has is work i can get this guy any sniper rifle in the world but we going make him buy his owned rifle and scope and just hope it is a good one we dont get him a car so he has to rely on bus and taxi or another person so no way to escape we leave in Police custy for 2 days and hope he dosen't talk if i have someone take Oswald place for the shooting let hope Oswald not around anyone that can give him a alibie now read what i have just wrote if i Oswald i be real talkive,now i'm going have ruby bust the cap on Oswald but minutes before Ruby is at a telegram place sending money too one of his strippers so lets hope he gets in place before they move Oswald we have no doubt Ruby gets him that on film guys i have read and watch every conspiracy thing around on Jfk and all the evidence points to Oswald and warren commision got it right

[Otto Harkaman]

Carcano M38 a cheap gun, in quality or price?

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-fe18aafbbc7f19d71d222c6b739eb29b-lqhttps://freerangeamerican.us/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Carcano_4.jpg

Ian McCollum of Forgotten Weapons seems to think it was decent weapon when provided with proper ammo.

https://youtu.be/y5s31mVy7fY?si=P4Bm45uh3trJtxMK
https://youtu.be/V-lJZPF_fJQ?si=NITLQsCXnPeS14kn

[les green01]

look at the prices of the others if you have a choice why not get a Garand and Oswald was train with the Garand put a scope on it or even a 03 springfield matter of fact if a high ranking use to be cia hired you wouldn't you ask for money in advance i sure would i would even ask for a weapon that can't be trace to me and with all the bells and whistles maybe with a siiencer the rifle Oswald use got the job done wasn't long range slow moving target with one in the pipe all he had to do was cycle the bolt twice you know being a high ranking cia or use to be he could still get his hands on some cool fun toys and with bobby still head of justice for what a year after his bother would have move earth to get his bother killer yep the Garand would have been the one for me 8 shots semi Marine Corp training with the sling with my left arm to steady the rifle

[em2nought]

I thought he had the longer version. I bought one just like his, sans scope, in the early 80s for somewhere between $40 and $60 with a box or two of those funky bullets. The quality didn't seem to be terrible. Around that time you could still get a 1903A1 for around $200.

I think it was decades later that I learned the Carcano is what he used.

Looking at that rifle it just seems like mine was a little bit shorter, a carbine.

[mapuc]

Could you say that the truth died with Oswald ?

Could his rifle make such a damage to a head ? Here I'm thinking of the last and deadly shot

Markus

[les green01]

Could you say that the truth died with Oswald ?

Could his rifle make such a damage to a head ? Here I'm thinking of the last and deadly shot

Markus
we can say it did i do believe in 85 in the UK they held a mock trial with the jury being people that was on the voter roll in 63 and Oswald was found guilty i think the biggest problem we all have is Ruby shut the trial down if Oswald lives and goes to trial found guilty you got closer we wouldnt have this going on for 60 years depends on the rounds but yes they could now the person who sets the killing up is JFK himself no bubble top dont want the secert service to block the view of him so during the rout when on the back of the car they are kneeling down to trunk level instead of standing just minutes before the two of them got off to make ready for the speedway going to a hot bed of a city where just a few month ago a member of his admissition got attack a city that a attemp on a ex general took place

[Gorpet]

JFK wore a back brace. The impact from behind would push him forward but that brace would cause the backwards motion.

That's good Jeff. I think Charles Benjamin Mawhinney, Just might tell ya different story. Any frontal head shot i've made always had brain matter following the the exit direction of the of the bullet.And of course we know calibers decide the appropriate destruction of all that's in front of us right. Merry Christma Soldier.Here's the crux of the biscuit,the only way you'll get what you want is to ignore the apostrophes in life. And don't eat the liberals yellow snow.Who really cares today ? His family is dead .The Kennedys are gone....and America is looking forward to a new family unit that can check all the boxes and bring their own guns to the White House.

[Aktungbby]

/\'now' I'm a'panicin'!:O:

[Platapus]

The first operational use of the Washington to Moscow teletype hot line was to announce the assassination of JFK

[Rockstar]

I think it was Kennedy’s 1963 ‘peace speech’ that probably got him shot, that and wanting to rein in the CIA. He was prepared to pull troops out of Vietnam, drafting plans complete withdrawal by 1965, limited ban on nuclear testing, steering towards world peace, all of which pissed of the Joint Chiefs and CIA. Hmmm sounds familiar :03:

“Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you,” - Chuck Schumer

[Aktungbby]

I think it was Kennedy’s 1963 ‘peace speech’ that probably got him shot, that and wanting to reign in the CIA. He was prepared to pull troops out of Vietnam, drafting plans complete withdrawal by 1965, limited ban on nuclear testing, steering towards world peace, all of which pissed of the Joint Chiefs and CIA. Hmmm sounds familiar :03:

“Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you,” - Chuck Schumer That's " rein in" as opposed to 'JFK reigned in the White House' ya illiterate bugger!:shucks::arrgh!::know::Kaleun_Goofy: Is it reigned in or reined in?
The correct phrase for bringing something under control is rein in, not reign in. Rein in is an allusion to pulling on the reins of a horse in order to exercise more control. Easy, there.:doh:

[August]

That's " rein in" as opposed to 'JFK reigned in the White House' ya illiterate bugger!:shucks::arrgh!::know::Kaleun_Goofy: :doh:
https://i.imgur.com/Hy2hp7z.jpg

[Jeff-Groves]

https://i.imgur.com/Hy2hp7z.jpg
https://media.tenor.com/eC7VW3LmDiYAAAAd/monty-python-the-comfy-chair.gif

[Rockstar]

That's " rein in" as opposed to 'JFK reigned in the White House' ya illiterate bugger!:shucks::arrgh!::know::Kaleun_Goofy: :doh:

What you talkin’ about Willis? It looks right to me, did you change it?

https://youtu.be/YlX4k-ydBjw?feature=shared

[Aktungbby]

...my devout Connecticutt Republican mom, a state chapter president of League of Women Voters and P.E.O, & ahead-of-her-time female 1943 Syracuse University graduate in business; put it all succinctly in 1963 as we watched "Oswald the patsy" buy the farm on national TV: "Well, they're Democrats you know..."!:hmph::doh::shucks::timeout::dead: 60 years down the pike...:hmmm:she wasn't off the mark too much!:haha:

[Rockstar]

...my devout Connecticutt Republican mom, a state chapter president of League of Women Voters and P.E.O, & ahead-of-her-time female 1943 Syracuse University graduate in business; put it all succinctly in 1963 as we watched "Oswald the patsy" buy the farm on national TV: "Well, they're Democrats you know..."!:hmph::doh::shucks::timeout::dead: 60 years down the pike...:hmmm:she wasn't off the mark too much!:haha:

It’s interesting how the idea came to be of thinking Oswald as a patsy. He didn’t say I didn’t do it, or you got the wrong guy he said I’m just patsy. :hmmm:



“Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you,” - Chuck Schumer

[August]

It’s interesting how the idea came to be of thinking Oswald as a patsy. He didn’t say I didn’t do it, or you got the wrong guy he said I’m just patsy. :hmmm:

Actually he said it a bunch of times:

Here's one quote:

When asked, "Did you kill the President?" Oswald replied, "No. I have not been charged with that. In fact, nobody has said that to me yet. The first thing I heard about it was when the newspaper reporters in the hall asked me that question. . . . I did not do it. I did not do it. . . . I did not shoot anyone."
You can read more of them here:

https://ratical.org/ratville/JFK/LHO.html