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Rockstar
06-30-23, 03:28 PM
Over 800 arrested across France in 3rd night of riots since fatal police shooting

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/over-800-arrested-across-france-in-3rd-night-of-riots-since-fatal-police-shooting/ar-AA1dec5B

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France riots: Minister deploys 45,000 police after unrest over teen's death
By Layli Foroudi and Charlotte Van Campenhout
June 30, 20233:50 PM EDTUpdated 32 min ago

*Government says all options on table for restoring order*
Three nights of unrest rock major French cities
Hundreds arrested, more than 200 police injured
Macron asks social media to take down sensitive videos
President leaves Brussels summit early

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/frances-macron-hold-new-crisis-meeting-after-third-night-riots-2023-06-30/

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Macron Blames Parents And “Intoxicating Video Games”

https://thedeepdive.ca/rioters-burn-france-in-protest-while-macron-blames-parents-and-intoxicating-video-games/

https://i.postimg.cc/ZYyMrnt7/IMG-1865.jpg

Skybird
06-30-23, 03:30 PM
I sometimes wonder whether Macronman already can fly even if not wearing a cape. :hmmm:

Rockstar
06-30-23, 04:26 PM
Oh, now I get it.

French Riots Escalate as Macron Struggles to Respond
Rioters take to streets for third consecutive night, burning buildings and buses

https://archive.ph/QuQrY

This time the unrest stems from years of tensions that have been brewing between police and France’s working-class minorities, many of them Muslim, who reside in the country’s banlieues, or city outskirts.


I’ve even seen video reports of automatic weapons being fired into the air by these poor misunderstood youth.

mapuc
06-30-23, 04:34 PM
A hard life does not give the right to create havoc..

I say the French multicultural experience has failed.

Markus

Rockstar
06-30-23, 04:37 PM
Of course we should consider the big picture too.

This war [in Ukraine] isn’t about tanks and jets only. Putin might be performing poorly on the battlefield but don’t forget he is a KGB guy and he thinks differently than many leaders in the West. I firmly believe you’ll see more and more protests and government instability in the West. He wants this war to be an endless war so he exhausts us and we give up. Don’t forget that Russian strategists openly stated “In the ongoing revolution in information technologies, information and psychological warfare will largely lay the groundwork for victory.” - Ivana Stradner

Skybird
06-30-23, 04:46 PM
Thats what you get if you import plenty of migrants from a Muslim country that the native population does not want and never wanted. All complaints about this not being politically incorrect, are meaningless. Truth is what the media in a simplified way call "racism", stems from this simple truth. France imported so many Algerian migrants, last but not least for a bad conscience due to their war, that natives' sentiments clash with cultural-ideological differences. The result is not poltically correct, but the reality, and it is human, all aroudn the world: resentment by the native local population which got fed what it never wanted, at least not at these dimensions.



Progressive dont realise this because it does not fit their ideological worldview of all humans being equal and of one and the same kind. They maybe should be equal before a court, but they certainly are not all of the same kind. Not cultgurally, not socially, not regarding mentlaity, not even regarding certain metabolical factors. Never were equal, never will be.



Damn, now I said something dirty again. I toast myself. :Kaleun_Cheers:

Skybird
06-30-23, 04:47 PM
I say the French multicultural experience has failed.

Markus
Not just the French.

mapuc
06-30-23, 04:48 PM
Of course we should consider the big picture too.

This war [in Ukraine] isn’t about tanks and jets only. Putin might be performing poorly on the battlefield but don’t forget he is a KGB guy and he thinks differently than many leaders in the West. I firmly believe you’ll see more and more protests and government instability in the West. He wants this war to be an endless war so he exhausts us and we give up. Don’t forget that Russian strategists openly stated “In the ongoing revolution in information technologies, information and psychological warfare will largely lay the groundwork for victory.” - Ivana Stradner

:timeout:
Shouldn't your comment have been posted in our Ukraine thread ?

Markus

Otto Harkaman
06-30-23, 05:22 PM
This will fester so long the "rioting" population will end shut up in containment areas like the Palestinians.

Rockstar
06-30-23, 05:34 PM
Thats what you get if you import plenty of migrants from a Muslim country that the native population does not want and never wanted. All complaints about this not being politically incorrect, are meaningless. Truth is what the media in a simplified way call "racism", stems from this simple truth. France imported so many Algerian migrants, last but not least for a bad conscience due to their war, that natives' sentiments clash with cultural-ideological differences. The result is not poltically correct, but the reality, and it is human, all aroudn the world: resentment by the native local population which got fed what it never wanted, at least not at these dimensions.



Progressive dont realise this because it does not fit their ideological worldview of all humans being equal and of one and the same kind. They maybe should be equal before a court, but they certainly are not all of the same kind. Not cultgurally, not socially, not regarding mentlaity, not even regarding certain metabolical factors. Never were equal, never will be.



Damn, now I said something dirty again. I toast myself. :Kaleun_Cheers:


I believe you mentioned all of the above several years ago already :03: :up:

Look like the chickens have come home to roost.

Skybird
06-30-23, 06:21 PM
I believe you mentioned all of the above several years ago already :03: :up:
Yes I have, and the events are not really surprising. The causes have not changed since then. Maybe just turned worse - but that better the French must answer themselves.

All this today is differently caused than the yellow jacket demonstrations.

Its not the first time the banlieues boil over. Similiar potentials you have in Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands, Germany, the UK.

One also must discrimiante between different migrant group's cultural origin, they are not all the same, are not all a problem.Another thing we are not allowed to mention anymore over here... At least not if we do not want to get brandmarked, socially sanctioned, character-assassinated in the media, and sh!tstormed over...


Realities today get defined as condensate of ideology. The result is like trying to eat a decoration fruit made of wood and paint.

Rockstar
06-30-23, 08:24 PM
The Town Hall and Administrative Complex in the City of Persan in the Department of Val-d'Oise to the North of Paris, France is currently Engulfed in Flames after being set on Fire by Rioters, with Fire Services currently struggling to reach the Location due to Blocked Roads and Attacks by Mobs of Rioters.

https://youtu.be/WC8CGjFVDaQ

Rockstar
06-30-23, 08:39 PM
French rioters trying to storm the Central Stock Exchange in Marseille, France.

Rockstar
06-30-23, 08:52 PM
Use of automatic weapons in Lyon tonight seems to be confirmed.

em2nought
06-30-23, 09:06 PM
This is what happens when you allow immigration without integration. :03:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a2/2d/9e/a22d9ed970e41fb2e3f8856ea761353f.jpg

Jimbuna
07-01-23, 04:13 AM
Britain is edging closer to this in some areas geographically.

Rockstar
07-01-23, 04:56 AM
Britain is edging closer to this in some areas geographically.


We have the same problem going on at this very moment in certain metropolitan areas in the United States. Only difference I can tell between looters in France and the U.S. so far. Here looters aren’t firing automatic weapons into the air or detonating explosives.

Jimbuna
07-01-23, 05:01 AM
Well it's not like the French to be fighting anyone at all :O:

Rockstar
07-01-23, 05:12 AM
Cardinal Robert Sarah had warned about the violence that is taking place in France now

Europe has lost the sense of its origins. It has lost its roots. A tree without root dies - Cardinal Robert Sarah’s warning to Europe

In this video he also laments the decrease in population across Europe and the migration of people from other countries whose culture is completely different from that of people in Europe. Sarah warns that this would result in the collapse of European culture, conviction and morality.

https://youtu.be/7JPFme3yiVg

Next up at bat is Marion Anne Perrine Le Pen

Jimbuna
07-01-23, 05:17 AM
Well, Britain is certainly no longer an island fortress.

Jimbuna
07-01-23, 05:28 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt67kDEYhmM

Rockstar
07-01-23, 07:01 AM
We're truly witnessing a radicalization on both sides in France.

This is an unreal communiqué by the main French police unions, essentially declaring France is in a civil war and that the police is in the "resistance" against the government.


https://i.postimg.cc/yxdMmhHD/IMG-1877.jpg

Press release by main French police unions:

"It’s enough!

Facing these savage hordes, asking for calm is no longer enough, IT MUST BE IMPOSED!

Restoring the Republican order and putting the apprehended beyond the capacity to harm others must be the only political signal to give.

In the face of such exactions, the police family must stand together.

Our colleagues, like the majority of citizens, can no longer bear the tyranny of these violent minorities.

The time is not for union action, but for combat against these "pests". Surrendering, capitulating, and pleasing them by laying down arms are not the solutions in light of the gravity of the situation.

All means must be put in place to restore the rule of law as quickly as possible.

Once restored, we already know that we will relive this mess that we have been enduring for decades.

For these reasons, Alliance Police Nationale and UNSA Police will take their responsibilities and warn the government from now on that at the end, we will be in action and without concrete measures for the legal protection of the Police, an appropriate penal response, significant means provided, the police will judge the extent of the consideration given.

Today the police are in combat because we are at war. Tomorrow we will be in resistance and the government will have to become aware of it."

Rockstar
07-01-23, 07:07 AM
An armory was looted last night by the rioters in Marseille.

Police uniforms, 7 rifles and a shotgun were stolen.

blackswan40
07-01-23, 07:11 AM
I dont know what all the fuss is about Scatter the Paris Mobs with grape shot as Napoleon did job done and streets will be quiet once again.

Bonaparte Saves the Day

Description

In the waning days of the Convention in the fall of 1795, royalist–influenced sections in Paris revolted to prevent a new constitution that protected the position of the radicals. Bonaparte was delegated to put down the uprising of 5 October 1795 (13 Vendémiaire Year IV). Bonaparte’s decisiveness and willingness to fire cannons on the demonstrators—in his words, to "give them a whiff of grapeshot"—both consolidated the government’s control and revealed how much the revolutionary state after Thermidor was dependent on the military.

Source

Paul-François-Jean-Nicolas Barras, Memoirs of Barras: Member of the Directorate, trans. and ed. George Duruy, 4 vols. (New York: Harper & Brothers, 1895): 1:299–305, 332.

Date

October 5, 1795


https://revolution.chnm.org/d/451

Rockstar
07-01-23, 07:53 AM
The riots have spread from France to Belgium.

The police have announced that more than 100 rioters were arrested after unrest in Brussels and Liege yesterday

Exocet25fr
07-01-23, 09:22 AM
Like Napoleon, NO PITY, we need live ammunition shooting on the riots, death penalty for the leaders and expulsion for the others.....:timeout:

There is work in France for Wagner and Yevgeny PRIGOZHIN! :D

I'm pretty sure LE PEN will win the next elections, I hope that....!

Rockstar
07-01-23, 10:24 AM
You have no right to shoot those migrants they're native Arabic speakers whose ancestors were in France over 1,300 years ago before France ever existed and have every right to invade and claim France as theirs. Historically it's always been their land just look at the maps! Look at the percentage of Arabic speakers! Bow before your new overlords just as you expect everyone else too.

Like Putin does with Ukraine, the Islamic Arabic speaking iman’s claim France as theirs, put down your armed Vichy collaborating rebellion and prepare to be denazified.

Jimbuna
07-01-23, 10:26 AM
Bring back the good old Riot Act.

em2nought
07-01-23, 10:38 AM
This is an unreal communiqué by the main French police unions, essentially declaring France is in a civil war and that the police is in the "resistance" against the government.


Good! :up:

I hope Notre Dame survives, as we know who probably "torched" it last time too. :03:

Jimbuna
07-01-23, 10:45 AM
The next phase will probably see troops on the streets but Macron will be wary of that knowing civil war would most likely ensue shortly afterwards.

Jeff-Groves
07-01-23, 10:54 AM
Isn't Civil Un-Rest a National past time in France?
:hmmm:

blackswan40
07-01-23, 11:10 AM
So is burning tyers and british beef :D

mapuc
07-01-23, 11:36 AM
Civil war for me is when an army fight against itself within a country.

There's civil unrest and riots in the street, I wouldn't exactly call it civil war, but what do I know.

Markus

Jeff-Groves
07-01-23, 11:50 AM
Ya'll kill each other over a "Foos Ball" Game over the Pond!
So what makes doing the same thing in the Streets any different?

Exocet25fr
07-01-23, 12:20 PM
The Summer sales are finished already......!:haha:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObdhKLr1mqE

Moonlight
07-01-23, 12:25 PM
Our useless politicians don't think like the public do, instead of cracking the whip they'd sooner hold their hands.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jenWdylTtzs

Exocet25fr
07-01-23, 01:14 PM
Napoleon and Murat - Good kill

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fva5cqEJ5k

Rockstar
07-01-23, 01:37 PM
Ya'll kill each other over a "Foos Ball" Game over the Pond!
So what makes doing the same thing in the Streets any different?

https://content.spiceworksstatic.com/service.community/p/post_images/0000199415/57d6eadd/attached_image/foosball-devil.jpg

Jimbuna
07-02-23, 05:54 AM
Some 719 people were arrested overnight, down from well over a thousand the previous night.

Exocet25fr
07-02-23, 07:03 AM
Attack on mayor's home in 'assassination attempt'

https://news.sky.com/story/emmanuel-macron-postpones-state-visit-to-germany-due-to-ongoing-protests-and-riots-in-france-12912944

Exocet25fr
07-02-23, 07:14 AM
The Widow works, she is thirsty, it's time to water her....!

https://journals.openedition.org/insitu/34052

https://zupimages.net/up/23/26/nol6.jpg (https://zupimages.net/viewer.php?id=23/26/nol6.jpg)

Aktungbby
07-02-23, 12:59 PM
...it would appear the French are emulating the nationwide Floyd riots from the Minneapolis police suffocation killing.:hmmm:

Rockstar
07-02-23, 04:54 PM
https://i.postimg.cc/9Q5zh18H/IMG-1889.jpg

Skybird
07-02-23, 05:26 PM
The roots of the problem in France date back at least two generations. The feudalistic self-underdstanding of that state and its "elite" also is part of the problem, it serves as fertilizer for the social and failed integration problem, makes sure the flames burn even hotter.

Europe is - intentionally! - desintegrating its historically and culturally grown identity. In slow motion, but in recent ten years or so this destruction has won in pace.The EU deliberately does its share to that. In the preambel of its constitution, which is not called a constitution formally, the EU could not even bring itself to refer to the occidental-Christian reference in the development of European history. The EU parliament murdered the idea of the authors with utmost contempt and rage.

Where France now is, Germany will be in the foreseeable future, the inner dynamic is the same, it cannot be ignored. Also the UK. Sweden. Maybe the Netherlands.

Jimbuna
07-03-23, 05:23 AM
Where France now is, Germany will be in the foreseeable future, the inner dynamic is the same, it cannot be ignored. Also the UK. Sweden. Maybe the Netherlands.

It worries/ troubles me to say it but I agree with you.

Europe is on a steep downward slippery slope.

Exocet25fr
07-03-23, 05:43 AM
£750,000 donated to policeman who killed Nahel.....

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/stop-rioting-nahel-merzouks-grandmother-tells-france-80vcxtzll

Jimbuna
07-03-23, 05:48 AM
^ If you post links try to ensure people can access them first.

Exocet25fr
07-03-23, 07:02 AM
It's working for me...!?:06:

Jimbuna
07-03-23, 07:04 AM
Not in the UK.

Exocet25fr
07-03-23, 07:20 AM
And this one....?

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/france/article/2023/07/03/outrage-as-donations-for-police-officer-who-shot-nahel-top-850-000_6042009_7.html

Jimbuna
07-03-23, 07:40 AM
That link works fine thanks :up:

Jimbuna
07-04-23, 05:30 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtQcosUquSU

Jimbuna
07-04-23, 05:42 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvZVO6YI40s

Skybird
07-04-23, 06:01 AM
From Achse des Guten:



France is burning - not

According to the international media, a civil war has begun in France that threatens to reduce the Fifth Republic to rubble. But France is not burning, it is much too big for that and, unlike certain other countries, has robustly functioning forces of order.

My friends from South Africa called yesterday and asked, "Are you safe?" If you follow the international media, a civil war has begun in France that threatens to reduce the Fifth Republic to rubble. European governments are issuing travel warnings for France. The French majority society is often blamed for failing to grant North African immigrants equal opportunities. Almost none of this is true.

I would like to briefly describe a few contrary experiences of the last few days. We live 500 meters from the Champs-Elysées and have not noticed the slightest civil war. A closure of the Champs-Elysées is really nothing abnormal. During the Yellow Vests protests, I regularly made a Saturday pilgrimage to the Etoile and the Arc de Triomphe to watch the weekly spectacle. It wasn't dangerous, even at close range. Usually there were a few hundred rioters who had fun getting into skirmishes with the police. There were stores looted on Avenue Kléber - primarily a Nicola alcohol store - and a few bank branches vandalized. In fact, the large police presence on the Champs-Elysées consists mainly of the widespread protection of the Elysée Palace, the official residence of the president.

Today's rioters are mostly too lazy to move out of their ancestral ghettos. There they know their way around and feel safe in the protection of their own kind. That's where they riot, that's where they loot the stores that often belong to former migrants themselves, and that's where they torch their neighbors' cars.

The police only dare to enter such no-go areas in platoon strength and have traditionally been attacked for a long time if they so much as show their faces. I just remember the "barbecue" that criminals committed when they blocked a patrol car with a policewoman and a policeman, broke a window and threw a burning Molotov cocktail inside. Both policemen were seriously injured because they were prevented from getting out of the car.


Everything is different in the countryside anyway

I am currently staying in Bourgogne in a small town of 5,000 inhabitants. Here in the countryside, life is going on in its absolutely normal, quiet way. The acts of violence are, at most, pub talk. At the weekend, there was a 10-kilometer run with a few hundred mostly youthful participants. They weren't wearing balaclavas, but their sports gear, to which they had proudly pinned their participant numbers.

The media reported that in Dijon, 40 kilometers away, there were some skirmishes between police and rioters. There were several incidents of property damage, including the burning of a Divia bus in the Grésilles district. While the central government is trying to calm the anger, politicians from the Côte-d'Or (French department, editor's note) are reacting rather angrily.

Côte-d'Or MP Didier Martin (1st constituency, "Renaissance" party) made his comments on Twitter Friday morning after viewing images of the night's violence. He said that "a curfew is necessary to restore calm and security."

Benoît Bordat, MP for the 2nd constituency (Fédération progressiste party), "reiterates" his "full support for the police officers, gendarmes and firefighters who have been on the front line in recent days." He said, "Violence is in no way a response to the tragedy that has occurred. I condemn the irresponsible who instrumentalize these acts of violence. This is neither serious nor worthy of their office."


Who is actually rioting?

In my opinion, it's the usual mix. It consists of petty criminal migrant kids, the "lost youths," now already in their third or fourth generation, the casseurs - the black bloc that already abused the yellow vests and pension protests to act out its destructiveness - and various criminals who want to make a quick buck in the looting.

In my opinion, the "lost youths" represent a particularly deplorable group in this regard. In fact, the majority of immigrants to France are well integrated and suffer just as much as the rest of the French. It is also their stores and workplaces that are looted. It is also their cars that are torched. I saw a recording of a brave woman who stood in the way of the arsonists and shouted, "Not the school, not the school!"

Most often, these lost people come from broken homes of failed family clans from the Maghreb. For generations, these people have shown not the slightest interest in the many efforts of French society to help them integrate and build a middle-class life. They are particularly at war with school.

How can you explain to a 15-year-old that he has to work hard at school to get a decent job later on, earning 3,000 euros, when at 15 he can earn 5,000 euros through drug dealing without much effort and drive around in a swank car? In France, too, there is a strict protection of minors and a misconceived tolerance with the supposed migrant victims. So it usually remains with a: "You, you, you!" when they are caught.


Both - perpetrator and victim

Those who saw the behavior of the mother of the shot teenager at the protest demonstration have an inkling of the values that this woman was able to convey in raising her lost son. She presented herself on stage smiling and triumphant, more like a politician at a campaign event. She enjoyed the approval of her slogans. At the same time, her son, at 17, already had quite a substantial criminal record, with 15 criminal cases on his hands. Theft, assault, drug possession and trafficking, driving without insurance and without a license, hit-and-run ... Star footballer Kylian Mbappe referred to someone like this on Twitter as a "little angel."

When the motorcycle gendarmes wanted to put him, he was driving a Mercedes AMG without a driver's license and insurance much too fast and running a red light, endangering several people. He wanted to evade the control by hit and run. And where are the three others who were in the car with him? For me, the story of this teenager is a sad French version of the tragedy of the petty criminal George Floyd. Again, a video snippet is enough for the leftists to confirm their prejudices against the police.


Is France on fire?

Many French media are still practicing downplaying the shot "child," as they say, and justifying the riot mob as "socially disadvantaged." The majority society is supposed to be to blame. But those who loot stores, set fire to schools and public transport are not exercising social protest, but looting and pillaging. What do buses, a Lidl store or an Arab mini-supermarket have to do with protest against the French state?

It's the same in France as in Germany - there are embers of a long-simmering civil war in almost every major city. We are not dealing with the disadvantaged, but with criminals lurking at every opportunity. Oh no, France is not burning, it is far too big for that. France, unlike certain other countries, has robustly functioning law enforcement and a functioning army.

Personally, I haven't seen anything of the supposed civil war so far, and I think the horror reports in the media are exaggerated. It will probably come as it always does in France. The Macron government will remember its task and try to extinguish the embers, at least temporarily. If it does not succeed soon, the next French president may be Marine Le Pen.
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The author Manfred Haferburg was born in Querfurt in 1948. He studied nuclear energetics at the Technical University of Dresden and had a lightning career in Greifswald, the largest nuclear power plant in the GDR at the time. Because of his cheeky singing of Biermann songs as well as some ill-considered remarks at carnivals, he was declared a hostile element of the GDR and consequently spent some time under the care of the Stasi in Hohenschönhausen (a much feared Stasi prison, Skybird). After the fall of the Berlin Wall, he worked for an international organization on the safety culture of nuclear power plants worldwide and has seen more nuclear power plants from the inside than almost anyone else. In the KUUUK publishing house he published his novel "Wohn-Haft", based on facts, with a foreword by Wolf Biermann.
German link: https://www.achgut.com/artikel/frankreich_brennt_nicht

Exocet25fr
07-04-23, 09:01 AM
Perfect explanation !:up: France isn't really burning....for the moment !:yeah:

Aktungbby
07-04-23, 10:37 AM
Switzerland??!...clearly, civilization is dead on course to end by 2040 as predicted-global warming, covid variant xx, and WW III; all culminating simultaneously...at which time I'll be 89 years old and not giving a rat's farting damn!:yep::nope::damn::rolleyes:

sh3rules
07-04-23, 04:06 PM
The next French elections should be interesting.

Aktungbby
07-04-23, 06:40 PM
The next French elections should be interesting.French elections R always :/\\choping!! :rotfl2::yep::nope::dead:??

Armistead
07-04-23, 10:52 PM
Switzerland??!...clearly, civilization is dead on course to end by 2040 as predicted-global warming, covid variant xx, and WW III; all culminating simultaneously...at which time I'll be 89 years old and not giving a rat's farting damn!:yep::nope::damn::rolleyes:


selfish

Exocet25fr
07-05-23, 04:48 AM
About French Elections: Today Marine LE PEN is the favorite, and i'm glad with that....!:yep:

Skybird
07-05-23, 06:13 AM
About French Elections: Today Marine LE PEN is the favorite, and i'm glad with that....!:yep:
--- excursion ---

In Germany, the conservatives on national level form a party union, formed by the CDU and the bavarian CSU which in state elections only starts in Bavaria. I read two days ago a recent poll where they counted the CSU out of the union, only the CDU on national elections. Alone, the CDU would be beaten by the AFD by 1 point now, with the AfD then forming the strongest party.

The AfD has also recently won its first mayoral seat and its first district administrator post (a mayor with a bit more land on it...) in the East, two small and god-forsaken places nobody ever had heard of. The Berlin parties are now trying tricks to annul the election. Not for the first time. The AfD emerges stronger and can then also play the role of victim.

(That this means much is in question, since the SED ("Die Linke") gets split by her fallen superstar Sarah Wageknecht. She is popular with voters of the AfD, and if she continues with her plan to form her own party, she will steal many votes from the AfD - weakening them both.

Most votersd of the AfD are no Nazis, but are people who have their noses full of the established parties. They do not vote necessarily for the AfD's policies when giving them their vote, especially not outside Eastern states, but they vote against the established parties.

In Italy, Finland, Sweden, and other places, the traditional parties' power erodes everywhere, bringing stricter conservative and right parties to power.

And then there is Eastern Europe.

--- end of excursion ---

Jimbuna
07-05-23, 06:50 AM
Macron has certainly been weakened by the current crisis and his biggest problem could well be that he still has four years to run.

Skybird
07-05-23, 08:27 AM
Maybe thats a problem not so much for Macron but for the French. :hmmm:

Jimbuna
07-05-23, 12:11 PM
Could well be when you consider the alternative....Le Pen

mapuc
07-05-23, 12:31 PM
France and rest of western Europe has come to point-of-no-return, so voting for Le Pen, AfD and other right wing parties has no effect. They should have been elected decades ago.

Markus

Jimbuna
07-06-23, 06:18 AM
Not an opinion the majority have agreed with for decades apparently.

Jimbuna
07-06-23, 07:13 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MXdWBfjLvo

Skybird
07-06-23, 07:58 AM
It remains to be seen whether the right alternatives in various countries has the quality it takes to govern a nation. For the German AfD, I think it spossib le they can govern on the local and regional level without blwoiung everything up, on the national level i have my doubts, I see their merit more in that they may have the power and force it takes to destroy the currently existing party tyranny and the enormous, voluminous damages it does. Fighting fire with fire, so to speak. Italy's Meloni so far acts with for more reason and predictability than was previously expected, to what degree Le Pen that would copy I dare not to predict. The Scandinavians have started to collect experiences with right govenrments, too, we will see what comes from that.

These sort of governments are useless anyway if they do not lead to fundamental confrontation and cutting back of the EU.

The AfD's Alice Weidel does not give me the impression to be able to be en par with Meloni and Le Pen.

The Germna party tried to contain the AfD be erecting a firewall and boycotting it. This strategy has completely failed, continuing with it will lead nowhere expect further groth for the AfD. Germany ,must come to terms with accepting it as a normal that in Germany, like in all other European countries, the right will claim a place in the political spectrum like all othger parties. And who knows, it may be that the AfD quickly disenchants itself when it occupies offices but then fails because of its incompetence in office. Same may be true for the Front Nationale in France.

Or they do a good or even better job than the previous parties. Then what would be the problem?

My main concern is not the damage a "what if" scenario may bring in the future - my main concern is the existentially dangerous damage done and incompetence and megalomania shown by the parties that currently are already in command.


Best would be if all parties, no matter their orientation, get banned alltogether, and only individuals are allowed to candidate. The existence of political parties is part of the core problem, because due to their egoism and intrigues to secure power they conspire for the destruction of democratic rules and hijackthe state and turn it their playground and prey. In Germany we currently witness another example for this, the cionstituional high court has just banned the government from breaking profound rules of parliamentarism just because it would have helped the Greens and the SPD at the upcoming various state elections . Political parties are a pest.

Gorpet
07-08-23, 01:06 AM
[QUOTE=Skybird;2874328]Thats what you get if you import plenty of migrants from a Muslim country that the native population does not want and never wanted. All complaints about this not being politically incorrect, are meaningless. Truth is what the media in a simplified way call "racism", stems from this simple truth. France imported so many Algerian migrants, last but not least for a bad conscience due to their war, that natives' sentiments clash with cultural-ideological differences. The result is not poltically correct, but the reality, and it is human, all aroudn the world: resentment by the native local population which got fed what it never wanted, at least not at these dimensions.



Progressive dont realise this because it does not fit their ideological worldview of all humans being equal and of one and the same kind. They maybe should be equal before a court, but they certainly are not all of the same kind. Not culturally, not socially, not regarding mentlaity, not even regarding certain metabolical factors. Never were equal, never will be.



Damn, now


Don't take in immigrants that can't speak your language,are not willing to accept your country's culture and laws as they are. If they have no work skills and no money to support themselves and all their family members that are sure to follow....Send them BACK. If they want what your country has...let them fight and change their own governments. First world countries have been built on the bodies of their own citizens who fought each other for their country's destiny.There's no other way,..you can't accept kindness and help from other countries and then destroy their cities,beatdown citizens,rob and pillage at will,unless you had no respect for them in the first place. If that is the case,it is time for you to go BACK to your own homeland.

Jimbuna
07-08-23, 04:33 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2YASMYtAbs

Reece
07-08-23, 05:19 AM
More Russian diatribe!! :nope:

Jimbuna
07-08-23, 05:28 AM
Yeah, something like that :)

Exocet25fr
07-08-23, 09:16 AM
Ukraine Link to French Riots?, I don't believe that too...!:)

Now to Gorpet...:up:

Rockstar
07-08-23, 06:10 PM
All I know is Arabic speakers were in France over 1300 years ago so they have every right to invade/migrate and create new borders within France. Maybe the UN can accommodate this to ensure a peaceful resolution. Of course if France refuses then maybe these Arabic speakers should initiate a Special Military Operation and launch cluster munitions at Frenchmen until they submit. And if the French fight back then they should be condemned for not negotiating peace.

Jimbuna
07-09-23, 05:17 AM
^ OH, that was brutal :)

Exocet25fr
07-09-23, 05:40 AM
To the brutal Rockstar RIOT :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwP-93jldFc

Rockstar
07-09-23, 11:01 AM
https://i.postimg.cc/nLfpKjjX/IMG-1966.jpg

Exocet25fr
07-09-23, 01:02 PM
Ol' Canuklehead

A Royal Cheese..............metric system...bla bla bla....
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Final: I dunno, I didn’t go into Burger King. :03: I know that in Pulp Fiction!

Exocet25fr
07-13-23, 01:07 PM
Emmanuel Macron sent 'human finger' in post before cops put it in their 'snack fridge' , enjoy your meal :haha:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/emmanuel-macron-sent-human-finger-30459626

em2nought
07-13-23, 03:03 PM
Emmanuel Macron sent 'human finger' in post before cops put it in their 'snack fridge' , enjoy your meal :haha:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/emmanuel-macron-sent-human-finger-30459626

Was it a "middle" finger? :har:

Jimbuna
07-14-23, 05:13 AM
Was it a "middle" finger? :har:

:haha:

Jimbuna
07-15-23, 05:40 AM
I'm not sure this was wise of Macron in his current domestic climate.

French President Emmanuel Macron gave Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi - his guest of honour at the Bastille Day celebrations in Paris - the red carpet treatment, as the two countries sealed high-profile defence deals.

Mr Modi arrived in France for a two-day visit on Thursday when he was granted the Legion of Honour, France's highest award.

However, his two-day visit got under way as the European Parliament criticised his human rights record amid accusations of discrimination against minorities.

Mr Modi's red carpet treatment on Bastille Day is "an affront not only to India's minority communities, journalists and human rights defenders, but also to India as a democracy," said French MEP Pierre Larrouturou.

This year's celebrations are taking place under tight security, two weeks after riots erupted across the country following the fatal police shooting of a teenager in Paris.

More than 100,000 police officers have been deployed around the country to prevent a new outbreak of unrest.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/modi-s-bastille-day-red-carpet-treatment-sparks-controversy-in-shadow-of-french-riots/ar-AA1dRAER?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=ddfd2b885fa64d63972d165d3a3aa398&ei=13