Japan's ancient secret to better cognitive memory

[Skybird]

I advocate since always that one also learns the old manual skills. I know that the brain gets materially altered and changed by manual work, and work with hands. Handwriting instead of typing, for example.

I use a navigation app when doping long bike tours, but I can also handle maps and compass, in civilised places as well as in the open wild. I can handle a sextant (learned it for interest, had a simple one from my grandfather), and I learned at least the basics for using a slide rule.

I would add chess as a general tool to alter cognitive performance for the better, and teach discipline, precision, concentration, patience, memorizing. I also would add playing a musical instrument. Well - I try, but I am late... :)

And then came the Japanese and stunned me again, with this: :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6OmqXCsYt8

Now I compare this with the German school system:

1. don't care about the actual performance level of the students.
2. abolish school grades in the subjects...
3. ... and replace them with verbal descriptions of social behavior, of course with positive connotations only, so that self-esteem is not hurt.
4. do not define the successfulness of the school system by absolvents' performance in studies and profession...
5. and fight school performance decline by lowering the performance level to guarantee consistently good ratings.
6. declare school grade comparisons in final reports from different states with different good school standards as "antisocial".
7. restrict the right of parents to choose their school, so that enough children have to go to bad schools to keep them alive - with their messed up chances for a better life.

No kidding. That's actually how it is in many states.

[Skybird]

And this as a follow-up film, just for curiopsity. Interesting, and very sympathetic. Could you imagine this behaviour becoming a norm in individuality-obsessed Europe or America? :haha:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vK0Eo9QGwIw

[Rockstar]

The abacus, I remember that. In the sixties we were taught to use one in Minnesota’s elementary school system (grades 4-6). Though it was more of a novelty than serious education. Unfortunately it wasn’t part of any curriculum afterwards. Most likely deemed by the powers that be as something unnecessary.

[Reece]

Unfortunately it was wasn’t part of any curriculum afterwards.
Good grammar, back to the school Rockstar!! :haha:

[Rockstar]

Good grammar, back to the school Rockstar!! :haha:

What are talking about? :D

[em2nought]

We should replace bingo with this immediately. :D

[Skybird]

:haha:

[Ostfriese]

Now I compare this with the German school system:

1. don't care about the actual performance level of the students.
2. abolish school grades in the subjects...
3. ... and replace them with verbal descriptions of social behavior, of course with positive connotations only, so that self-esteem is not hurt.
4. do not define the successfulness of the school system by absolvents' performance in studies and profession...
5. and fight school performance decline by lowering the performance level to guarantee consistently good ratings.
6. declare school grade comparisons in final reports from different states with different good school standards as "antisocial".
7. restrict the right of parents to choose their school, so that enough children have to go to bad schools to keep them alive - with their messed up chances for a better life.

No kidding. That's actually how it is in many states.


None of the statements is actually true.

[Skybird]

None of the statements is actually true.
If one keeps the left eye closed and sings the Rudel's song, then yes, none of that is true.

BTW I knew and know teachers in Berlin, Bremen and Wismar. They are cursing the system. And their union.

[Ostfriese]

If one keeps the left eye closed and sings the Rudel's song, then yes, none of that is true.


BTW I knew and know teachers in Berlin, Bremen and Wismar. They are cursing the system. And their union.


Sure.


For all those with at least half an open mind: the German education system suffers from a lot of problems, but Skybird didn't mention a single one of them. Instead he mentioned typical right wing propaganda made by old men who last saw the inside of a school when they were students half a century ago.

[Skybird]

If you say so. I do not parrot the offical proganda, that I am certainly guilty of and that is what makes me unwelcomed.

The policy in SPD run states as well as the development of performance/skill indices over the past ten years speak a clear language, and what it says is no compliment. The growing performance deficits get hidden by manipulating the notes system, and the verbally glossing it. Itr even happens that the political administration orders for a wanted minimum note avergae in classes and so teachers have no other choice than to rate exams better than the work deserves. And this I know from teachers.

Add to this a growing numerical deficit in teachers due to demographic changes, an extremely far left leaning union, and school buildings in most shabby states due to lacking financial funds for renovations, plus a growing ideological indoctrination that replaces solid basic education in reading, writing, math and a basic understanding in science and history.

I base not only on what I read in the media, but what I got in live feedback from mentioned teachers, who are family members of former friends of mine from studying times. My grandfather was teacher, too, but this just as an anecdote. I was at a very good and prestigious school in West Berlin, back then we had a very strong focus on natural sciences and math, three quarterss of the teachers were men, and many teacher were very, very good, we liked them and respected them. No dancing course. No school orchestra. Plenty of voluntary "AGs" (work groups, hobby groups) mostly focussing on sciences again, astronomy, microscopy, practical excursions. Now they have: three quarters of the teachers are women. Five school orchestras, several dance courses, for some years they had no history courses and only in two class ranks biology until they were forced by superior authoprities to bring these back into the schedule, and in math and sciences students can do only the basic minimums in hours that the government demands as minimums. The focus and priorities have clearly shifted, and the teaching has been clearly "feminised". And it is Berlin.

Across Germany, the performance indices have dropped in recent 30 years. The rate of early leavers from school is climbing. The quota of students not able to correctly read and write or do basic maths, is climbingg. Where Germany has improved in international comparisons, this is explained by that the others to which you compare them dropped even further, and these usually all are in the West, not in Asia.

At the same time universities complain about that new students are lacking more and more in most profound skills and abilities to start studying, starting with understanding written questions, handwriting with correct spelling and grammar, or doing simple mathematical calculations like addition, subtraction, rule of three or simple fractions.

When you compare that decline to how the kids get almost militarily drilled in asian states (I do not say that that is the ideal, I only point out the obvious differences), then you know how the chances of German students internationally are, and how their chances are to sustain the German economy in the future. We know since long where the preferances of most students are: Germans tend to favour soft and social subjects and humanities, Germanistik, Psychologie :D, VWL, BWL. Not engineering. Not so much Physics. not so much IT. Chemistry. That is all so - so cold-hearted. And difficult.

In Asia it is more or less the other way around.

Add to this the massive brain drain Germany has and that politicians try to hide at all cost from public awareness. But there is a significant net drain.

Add to it the probably highest electricity prices in the West. Add to it the highest tax burden in global comparison. All this contributes to the attrarctiveness - or lack of - in global economic competition. The rotting of traffic infrastructure. Bridges.

Germany produces too little students of the kind it needs, too many of those that end as receivers of subventions and social wellfare, it drives away too many skilled or highly qualified people or parents with young families - and all the time scares away guest workers for example in the IT sector or healthcare that after a year are so pissed by Germany that they leave early again, and then we import more migration than we cannot afford and digest and most of these we either do not let work or they do not want to work and so the vast majority of that migration ends up as a net movemet into the social wellfare system.

I think that are enough reasons why I formulated ironically in the beginning. But irony, even sarcasm, does not mean that I am not right. It indicates my level of frustration, and anger.

[Ostfriese]

If you say so. I do not parrot the offical proganda, that I am certainly guilty of and that is what makes me unwelcomed.
Instead you are parroting someone else's propaganda. That's even worse.

The policy in SPD run states as well as the development of performance/skill indices over the past ten years speak a clear language, and what it says is no compliment. The growing performance deficits get hidden by manipulating the notes system, and the verbally glossing it. Itr even happens that the political administration orders for a wanted minimum note avergae in classes and so teachers have no other choice than to rate exams better than the work deserves. And this I know from teachers. This has nothing to do with teachers or with the SPD, but has been a policy since the 1960s. And btw., you are talking about grades. Notes are played with musical instruments.

Add to this a growing numerical deficit in teachers due to demographic changes, an extremely far left leaning unionThere are two unions, one is left leaning (GEW), the other is moderately conservative in the European sense (Philologenverband). None is far left.


and school buildings in most shabby states due to lacking financial funds for renovationsThat is the first time you mention a real problem. This is due to

a) many school buildings having been built in the late 1960s or during the 1970s and now reaching a state in which they require serious modernization efforts.
b) school buildings being paid from county or local budgets rather than state or federal budgets - and with the counties, cities and other communes being chronically underfinanced, thanks to the "Schwarze Null" (literally "black zero", meaning no new debts made by the federal government), which was by the way implemented by the conservative CDU and the neo-liberal FDP.

plus a growing ideological indoctrination that replaces solid basic educationAnd we are back to right wing hogwash.

...three quarterss of the teachers were men[...] Now they have: three quarters of the teachers are women [...]and the teaching has been clearly "feminised"Today's lesson: women are worse teachers. Because they are women. Never figured you as a misogynist, but here we are.

Across Germany, the performance indices have dropped in recent 30 years. The rate of early leavers from school is climbing. Misleading statement #1. Performance indices have mostly been maintained or even increased in the upper tier, the rate of early leavers has increased in the lower tiers.
For the non-Germans: German secondary education offers three tiers. the lowest tier was originally called the "Volksschule", was renamed to "Hauptschule" in the 1960s, and offered a basic education up until grade/year 9, and it was meant to teach the typical blue-collar work force. The intermediate tier is called "Realschule" and offers an education up until grade/year 10, with the aim of creating the foundation for all sorts of artisans and craftspeople, but also for many jobs in administration, accounting and many more. Both tiers lead to degrees that require further schooling in vocational schools, which is done once or twice a week during the apprenticeship years. Many jobs which require a college degree in English speaking countries ar done in vocational education in Germany.

The upper tier ("Gymnasium", which has nothing to do with the English gym) offers 13 years of education and is supposed to create the basis for studying at a university.

Guess which tier receives the highest budgets and has most available teachers.

The quota of students not able to correctly read and write or do basic maths, is climbingg.Misleading statement #2. Ironically the rates haven't changed that much, but the problem has only become more obvious. As the "Gymnasium" has been heavily favored over the past decades more and more parents have decided to send their children there. Whereas only about 15% of those born in the 1950s, 20% of those born in the 1960s and about 25% of those born in the 1970s attended a "Gymnasium" it's 55% of those born in the 2000s and close to 60% of those born in the 2010s (quite a lot of those will drop into a lower tier before they finish school).

Where Germany has improved in international comparisons, this is explained by that the others to which you compare them dropped even further, and these usually all are in the West, not in Asia.International comparisons are a surprisingly bad indicator, to the point that they don't even fulfil miniaml scientific standards. There's a lot of bad methoding included, and -of course- a lot of cheating.

At the same time universities complain about that new students are lacking more and more in most profound skills and abilities to start studying, starting with understanding written questions, handwriting with correct spelling and grammar, or doing simple mathematical calculations like addition, subtraction, rule of three or simple fractions. This is, again, a correct statement, and it's a result of the bloating up of the Gymnasium. Of those born in the 1970s only a quarter eventually went on to study at a university, and these almost entirely came from the top third of all students. These days a lot of people from the second third and even people from the bottom third try their luck at universities - and fail.

then you know how the chances of German students internationally are, and how their chances are to sustain the German economy in the future.Again: the top third of German students have statistically improved and surpassed previous generations. They have always had and continue to have excellent chances internationally, and these people are far more than capable of sustaining the German economy (unless managements continue with their bull****, that is, but that's an entirely different problem).

We know since long where the preferances of most students are: Germans tend to favour soft and social subjects and humanities, Germanistik, Psychologie :D, VWL, BWL. Not engineering. Not so much Physics. not so much IT. Chemistry. That is all so - so cold-hearted. And difficult.And they all have their places. Psychology, btw., is a seriously difficult subject, as it heavily relies on maths (statistics, to be precise), and there's a good reason why aspiring psycholgy students are required to have excellent grades at school.

While it is true that the number of STEM students (MINT in German) has not increased as much as the number of students in other areas this again is a result of the bloating of the Gymnasium. The killer subject is maths - those capable of doing maths usually are in the top third (there are exceptions, of course).

In Asia it is more or less the other way around. No. That might be the perception in the West and a result of the heavy drill (especially in South Korean and Japanese schools), but in the end the tendencies are more or less the same.


Add to this the massive brain drain Germany has Another slogan which can often be read on odd portals like achgut, yet mostly wrong.

politiciansThey are a problem that we can definitely agree on. Parliaments have become the cloisters and monastries of the modern age: the place where the upper class can get rid of their unneeded offsprings.

Add to it the probably highest electricity prices in the West.True, but that's got nothing to do with education.

Add to it the highest tax burden in global comparison.No. The northern countries have higher tax rates, for example.

All this contributes to the attrarctiveness - or lack of - in global economic competition.And once more there is a right wing talking point which doesn't stand the test of reality, especially if one was to look beyond the big names. Many smaller German companies produce top notch stuff and are world leaders in their respective fields, both technologically and in terms of competition. However, a lot of things can only be done internationally anyway.

The rotting of traffic infrastructure. Bridges.Schwarze Null again. If you don't invest in infrastructure for years or even decades that will always be the result.

Germany produces too little students of the kind it needs, too many of those that end as receivers of subventions and social wellfareIn the grand scheme that's not correct. We send too many people to university that would be better served with apprenticeships.

it drives away too many skilled or highly qualified people or parents with young familiesPeople follow the money. That's capitalism for you.

...IT sector or healthcare...Yep, prime example. Why do so few want to work in health care? Because it's a back-breaking, lowly-paid job. Higher wages would surely helpp, and of course doing everything to make the job more attractive.
But as long as healthcare is supposed to be a profitable business we are heading down right the same way as the US - ever increasing costs for health care with ever decreasing services, while a few rich ****ers drain the money from the system.

...do not want to work and so the vast majority of that migration ends up as a net movemet into the social wellfare system.Yet one more right wing buzzword and scare tactic, but the number of people who don't want to work but could work if they wanted to is very small. Again: pay the people better wages, and the problem will mostly solve itself.
Migration brings a lot of people who will eventually do the menial tasks most Germans no longer want to do.

But irony, even sarcasm, does not mean that I am not right. It indicates my level of frustration, and anger.As I said: there are serious problems, and you even mentioned some in your postings, but overall I think you have read far too much nonsensical articles from very dubious (to put it mildly) sources like achgut and other pages you frequently quote in these forums. For the most parts your statements are parroted lines which lack any substance and don't survive the first serious comparison with reality.

[Skybird]

Today I have learned - once again - that everything somebody, in this case you, does not like me to say, is rightwing hogwash. In politics the Greens and the Left swing the Nazi club when meeting opposition, and activists of this and that Zeitgeist-equivalent like pro-gender, anti-Israel, feminist sexism, call racism! and x-y-z-phobia! when one does not agree with their claims and demands. So, evertyhing like usual in dear old Germany.

And just for the record, I sometimes refer to an author who put something up at the Achse, yes, and I am also aware of the diverse and varying background and quality of their stuff. The problem maybe is: you are not, and just generalise everything published there. But some of the authors there really know their stuff, and know it damn well, like Gunnar Heinsohn whom I often quoted, and for damn good reason. Ah, wait, i forgot, he is rightwinged hogwash . Sorry, I forgot. If you get so many trees thrown at you, you sometimes simply fail to see the forest. BTW, my preferred German-tongue media is the Swiss Neue Zürcher Zeitung. Germany has no equivalent in quality to it.

On the education topic, on a few things we maybe agree, and on most things I stubbornly object to you, due to my own views and also due to what people told me over the years form their work as teachers, I know 4 teachers from Bremen, Wismar and Berlin, thats three federal states, and all are left-run. The GEW is counted - even outside Germany - as one of the leftiest unions in Europe (and that means something if you look at France and Italy...), and that is no wonder, since since the "68er" revolt the public education sector and the media in germany have been systematically infiltrated and brought under now practically undisputed control by the left and ultra-left.

Well, whatever.

[Commander Wallace]

Today I have learned - once again - that everything somebody, in this case you, does not like me to say, is rightwing hogwash. In politics the Greens and the Left swing the Nazi club when meeting opposition, and activists of this and that Zeitgeist-equivalent like pro-gender, anti-Israel, feminist sexism, call racism! and x-y-z-phobia! when one does not agree with their claims and demands. So, evertyhing like usual in dear old Germany.

And just for the record, I sometimes refer to an author who put something up at the Achse, yes, and I am also aware of the diverse and varying background and quality of their stuff. The problem maybe is: you are not, and just generalise everything published there. But some of the authors there really know their stuff, and know it damn well, like Gunnar Heinsohn whom I often quoted, and for damn good reason. Ah, wait, i forgot, he is rightwinged hogwash . Sorry, I forgot. If you get so many trees thrown at you, you sometimes simply fail to see the forest. BTW, my preferred German-tongue media is the Swiss Neue Zürcher Zeitung. Germany has no equivalent in quality to it.

On the education topic, on a few things we maybe agree, and on most things I stubbornly object to you, due to my own views and also due to what people told me over the years form their work as teachers, I know 4 teachers from Bremen, Wismar and Berlin, thats three federal states, and all are left-run. The GEW is counted - even outside Germany - as one of the leftiest unions in Europe (and that means something if you look at France and Italy...), and that is no wonder, since since the "68er" revolt the public education sector and the media in germany have been systematically infiltrated and brought under now practically undisputed control by the left and ultra-left.

Well, whatever.


If this is true, Where did Germany get It's abilities and acumen in such things as engineering ? Certainly, if students and children in Germany weren't pushed to work hard in school, this wouldn't be the case.

[August]

And this as a follow-up film, just for curiopsity. Interesting, and very sympathetic. Could you imagine this behaviour becoming a norm in individuality-obsessed Europe or America? :haha:




Don't know about Europe but that has always been the norm here in the Land of the Free. Every store, school, large business, government building and police office has a lost and found bin and our people will go to great lengths to return found items to their owners. Our news media is filled with such stories. Sometimes they even purchase things like military medals or old personal letters from a reseller and do their own research to get the items back to the family, sometimes at great personal expense too.

I watched one example of this the other day. Group of Utah You-tubers recovered a speed boat that sank in Lake Mead 30 years earlier, hauled it back to their shop, cleaned and restored it to running condition and then located the original owners and gave it back to them. Another popular channel called Adventures with Purpose locates missing people and their vehicles from the bottom of lakes and rivers.

[Skybird]

If this is true, Where did Germany get It's abilities and acumen in such things as engineering ? Certainly, if students and children in Germany weren't pushed to work hard in school, this wouldn't be the case.
Nobody denies that "made in Germany" had a meaning in the past, and that the so-called "duales Ausbildungssystem" worked great in the past, and that qualifications were much higher in the past, and skill were better in the past. What have all these statements in common? The phrase "the past". Today is the present, and in recent times and the present all these thigns are in a steep decline. The qualificaiton of students who made their school exams and start to go to university, is not as good anymore. The rate of people leaving school and not able to thoroughly read and write and do basic math, is growing, and since many years.

You reflect on the echoes of Germany's past. Its an echo. Germany falls back in many, many economic-industrial fields. Do not judge the present Germany by its more famous past. ;)

Else the following could happen to you. One and a half decade ago they ran the first PISA study, a yearly comparison and rating of the school systems in various countries. The very first such PISA study was won by Finland in first place, and everybody said: oh, look, how great the Fins are performing and how much the students like the Finnish school system! We must do it like the Fins do!

Well, not so fast. I already told it repeatedly over the years in past threads, but the press over here just rediscovered it now and acts as if it is brandnew - it isnt. The first PISA study was compromised by a terribly severe methodological flaw. When the PISA team checked Finland, Finland was in the midst of a school reform, and had just switched from an older school system to a new system with new, progressive ideas. And then PISA team came in the first year this had happend and asked: hey kids, how do you like your finnish schooling? And the kids, now having much more freedoms and less pressure to blindly learn and memorize, of course said, due to the easier conditions: oh, its wonderful! And then the performance checks and tests were run, and the kids performed great - because they were still benefitting from the far greater learning success the old system had provided - by forcing students to work harder, which of course was not popular with the kids. The first PISA study thus said: The Finnish kids love their school, and they perform better than any other nation. In fact, the success of the old system was wrongly attributed to the new one. A terrible methodological flaw. Unforgivable.

And in the following PISA studies we then saw Finland's school dropping down on the list, giving up rankings, and now performing so mediocre that even in the Finnish press, if i may believe our own press reporting on it, they make critical comments on it and say: We have to be honest, we have messed up our schooling more or less. Because now the schooling is still liked by the kids, but the performance tests now run according to and reflect the much lower learning success of the reformed easier schooling methods. And compared to the old methods, the outcomes are much worse.

The same with German industry and qualifaction of students that you judged by the glorious past of Germany's past successes. The universities since years moan for the low level of adequatly prepared students when the come from school. And companies training their future workers often must start with providing education and classes on stuff the people should have learned at school already, but haven't. Spelling in written language. 101 of math, division, rule of three. reliable reading. Understanding tasks and questions. How cna it be that in more and more comanies this is trained first - while the young people should have learned these basics already at school...??? That costs time, and money, and Germany more and more suffers form lacking workers and employees in all areas.

In the house where I have my appartment, we occasionally need the service of craftsmen, of course. but in the past five years we had to fight conflicts with three servicing and construction companies whose claimed expert advisors and workers had messed things up, and did damage or did the work they were tasked with not properly, and repairs were needed. The chefs of all three said: sorry, we do not get better people anymore, I must work with whomever I can get.

And that shows! It shows in the quality of German cars and their repair statistics (severe drops, we are no longer the global elite of car makers), the lamentable expertise of experts in many areas providing customers with service advice, the lack of engineers and IT experts and the huge number of students doing humanities. We become a nation of dilletents.

Or to be more precise: endlessly moralising dilletents.

[mapuc]

Right wing here and Right wing there.
Are they totally wrong everywhere ?

Markus

[Skybird]

Both fascists/nazis and socialists/communists, are socialists.


Haven't I explained that just ten days ago or so....?! :)