Climate change propaganda

[Rockstar]

“Greta avoid my question if you think climate change is a con.” <crickets>

Seems her arrest was a publicity stunt too

https://www.rebelnews.com/

https://youtu.be/9Uh26skeFYA

[mapuc]

Ohh be careful you are walking into a beers nest

Greta is controlled by some others, telling her what to say. This I'm convinced of.

Markus

[em2nought]

Ohh be careful you are walking into a beers nest

Greta is controlled by some others, telling her what to say. This I'm convinced of.

Markus


"The girl who walked into the Beers Nest" Is that the next Stieg Larsson novel? :D

[Buddahaid]

Let's all laugh about this when the Great Salt Lake is dried up in five years. :shucks:

[Jimbuna]

Let's all laugh about this when the Great Salt Lake is dried up in five years. :shucks:

Not a fan of Greta or those who imho control her but you make a valid point regarding the Great Salt Lake.

[Rockstar]

Lake Bonneville

[mapuc]

Going to tell you a story about Lake Superior

The water depth is decreasing-It's due to this climate change people and expert said

Sorry no-The perpetrator is the last Ice age.

When the ice was as thickest over USA it was some or several kilometer high and the weight pressed the soil/rock mountain down several hundreds of meter..When the ice disappeared the ground is finding it's originale state.

It's the bottom who is rising.

Markus

[Rockstar]

Earth’s Core Has Stopped and May Be Reversing Direction, Study Says
The surprising finding might solve longstanding mysteries about climate and geological phenomena.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/xgyje7/earths-core-has-stopped-and-may-be-reversing-direction-study-says

Of course, it must be noted this is more or less the plot of the 2003 disaster film The Core, but there’s no need to worry about averting an impending apocalypse by nuking the center of Earth. While the core’s rotation influences Earth’s surface environment, scientists think this periodic spin switch is a normal part of its behavior that does not pose risks for life on our planet.

https://www.nature.com/articles/382221a0?utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=commission_junction&utm_campaign=CONR_PF018_ECOM_GL_PHSS_ALWYS_DEEPLIN K&utm_content=textlink&utm_term=PID100094349&CJEVENT=f08c638a9b7311ed804ddd6c0a82b839


Any of the climate change ‘believers’ care to explain how this is man’s fault?

Not to mention the study which suggests surface temperatures are cold enough to freeze polar caps. The problem is the earth’s interior is venting, warming ocean currents traveling to the northern reaches melting ice from the bottom up.


^^. That’s actual climate science not the hysterical Karen’s screaming and accusing how it’s all our fault.

[Buddahaid]

.....That’s actual climate science not the hysterical Karen’s screaming and accusing how it’s all our fault.

Hell you say! It's all your fault. :arrgh!:

[Dowly]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGtAilkWTtI


Earth’s Core Has Stopped and May Be Reversing Direction, Study Says
The surprising finding might solve longstanding mysteries about climate and geological phenomena.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/xgyje7/earths-core-has-stopped-and-may-be-reversing-direction-study-says

Of course, it must be noted this is more or less the plot of the 2003 disaster film The Core, but there’s no need to worry about averting an impending apocalypse by nuking the center of Earth. While the core’s rotation influences Earth’s surface environment, scientists think this periodic spin switch is a normal part of its behavior that does not pose risks for life on our planet.

https://www.nature.com/articles/382221a0?utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=commission_junction&utm_campaign=CONR_PF018_ECOM_GL_PHSS_ALWYS_DEEPLIN K&utm_content=textlink&utm_term=PID100094349&CJEVENT=f08c638a9b7311ed804ddd6c0a82b839


Any of the climate change ‘believers’ care to explain how this is man’s fault?


Sure, easy. It's not man's fault. It also has nothing to do - according to the paper itself - with the climate.


Not to mention the study which suggests surface temperatures are cold enough to freeze polar caps. The problem is the earth’s interior is venting, warming ocean currents traveling to the northern reaches melting ice from the bottom up.
And where can one find this study?

[Rockstar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGtAilkWTtI





Sure, easy. It's not man's fault. It also has nothing to do - according to the paper itself - with the climate.

Read it again



And where can one find this study?

Look it up it’s online, and I’ve also posted here already in the climate change thread


The point is it isn’t as clear cut as climate change propagandists think. It was just within the last 150 years years ago that we discovered that nether universe or earths crust is not static . Neither is earths climate. Just like in the ancient days when there was a solar eclipse, draught, hurricane, earth quake, lightening people believed it was their fault that made the gods angry. Same as today, the believers blame themselves and go out and try to convert the unbelievers.

[Catfish]

[...] The point is it isn’t as clear cut as climate change propagandists think. It was just within the last 150 years years ago that we discovered that nether universe or earths crust is not static [...]
The point is it isn’t as clear cut as climate change propagandists think.
It is clear despite your or "climate change propagandists' " opinions.
It was just within the last 150 years years ago that we discovered that nether universe or earths crust is not static. Neither is earths climate.
Who said anything here is static? So you do believe the earth's crust is not static despite you not being able to really observe it. What about climate then? The "climate" has been changing all the earth's time alright, but never as quick as it does now.
Last times a climate change lead to mass extinction was a drastic change in the permian (but it took millions of years), and the (most probable theory right now) some asteroid drastically changing the climate fast and drastically, towards the end of the cretaceous.
What we observe now has no comparison in earth's history. When it quacks and walks like a duck, it probably is one.

There could only be two theories that it is not man-made
- one is the sun, but changes in the sun's radiation cycles and 'behaviour' have most probably happened before without what we see now. Our sun is a relatively stable star, even over millions of years.
- another theory could be the earth's magnetic field getting stronger or weaker, the latter might indeed change the sun wind's intensity reaching the earth because it is not being deflected.
But even here the earth's core has changed its direction and revolution several times in earth's history without having much influence on the latter's surface, or climate.

[Dowly]

Read it againCan you point it to me? It is after all, just four pages long. You seem to be sure about it, so let's see where it mentions climate?

Look it up it’s online, and I’ve also posted here already in the climate change threadThat doesn't exactly narrow it down. I'd appreaciate if you could find the study so I can have a look at it. After all, you brought it up.

The point is it isn’t as clear cut as climate change propagandists think.It is the best explanation available at this time, and it continues to be unless someone can come up with another.

[Rockstar]

So one says there can ONLY be two theories and the other posts Youtube videos and proclaims such things as the best explanation. And that’s what you think science is and should convince everyone else?

[Rockstar]

The best explanation? Not geo thermal venting, not the sun, not milankovc cycles, not earths core. There is so much more to science than it’s all our fault, Greta and YouTube.

[Dowly]

the other posts Youtube videos and proclaims such things as the best explanation.I said nothing about the video I posted. Stop misrepresenting what I said.

You are wholly welcome to provide alternate theories to explain the changing climate.

But of course, you don't. Because you don't have any.


The best explanation? Not geo thermal venting, not the sun, not milankovc cycles, not earths core. There is so much more to science than it’s all our fault, Greta and YouTube.
Then show the studies and we can all have a look at them together.

[Rockstar]

Read again, I just did, geo thermal venting, sun cycles, milankovic cycles, and now a group suggested the earths core.

[Dowly]

Read again, I just did, geo thermal venting, sun cycles, milankovic cycles, and now a group suggested the earths core.Ok, great! So, which one is it? Or is it all those things combined? How do they explain the rapid warming over the past century or so? Since you are so keen to believe anything but human made climate change, surely you can explain at least one of those theories. Right?

[mapuc]

Made a search to find any science article about this earth core and climate change only thing I found was this

Earth's Inner Core May Right Now Be in The Process of Changing Direction

https://www.sciencealert.com/earths-inner-core-may-right-now-be-in-the-process-of-changing-direction

Which as I understand it nothing to do with climate change.

Markus

[Catfish]

Read again, I just did, geo thermal venting, sun cycles, milankovic cycles, and now a group suggested the earths core.
How could the 'net post something wrong. I mean you still need a bit of common sense?
- Thermal venting - bs
- Milankovic cycles happened before w/o the earth atmosphere's temperature rising (geological record for everybody to see)
- earth's core? I already wrote that the earth's core changes spin and direction all the time, more than ten thousand times in earth's history. While the sun's radiation is being deflected more or less by the force of earth's magnetic fields (which seems to be influenced by the relative motion of the earth's core within the earth's outer shell/crust) it never had an impact. It is not visible light or the temperature wavelength anyway that is being hampered by magnetic fields, but other wavelengths.

[Rockstar]

Fortunetly “that’s b.s.” is not science.

Seems we will always have people who hold onto their cherished beliefs and can't be bothered to think about new data/results/arguments because it may contradict something they once claimed. God forbid it might make them look foolish.

[em2nought]

https://images3.memedroid.com/images/UPLOADED633/61b4e5ee36cf4.jpeg

:D:D:D

[Dowly]

Still waiting, Rockstar.

[August]

https://images3.memedroid.com/images/UPLOADED633/61b4e5ee36cf4.jpeg

:D:D:D




:haha:

[Rockstar]

Ok, great! So, which one is it? Or is it all those things combined? How do they explain the rapid warming over the past century or so? Since you are so keen to believe anything but human made climate change, surely you can explain at least one of those theories. Right?

Just as well as you can, right?

I know the difference between average temperature and temperature anomaly. I question the use of average temperature base lines as evidence temperatures are rising. Are temperatures actually rising or is it because we have more weather stations around the globe than ever before taking measurements. As our technology improved and the number of weather monitoring stations dramatically increased so did the global average temperatures.

Example: Even if one station were removed from the record, the average anomaly would not change significantly, but the overall average temperature could change significantly depending on which station dropped out of the record. For example, if the coolest station (Mt. Mitchell) were removed from the record, the average absolute temperature would become significantly warmer. However, because its anomaly is similar to the neighboring stations, the average anomaly would change much less.

https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/monitoring/dyk/anomalies-vs-temperature



There were once near zero measuring stations in Africa and South America now there are many. Ocean weather was once only measured along trade routes now we have weather buoys everywhere.. Can you guess what’s going to happen to the global average after new stations are installed in Africa and South America? Again, it’s going to rise as fast as they are placed online.

That’s my understanding of it.


The usual annual arguements we hear about what the warmest year on record and such is over temperature anomalies not temperatures. As for the other theories they are written and available. I see them as strong theories because we do have hard historical evidence of natural causes affecting climate. More so than I do CO2 because nobody has any definitive proof if CO2 is doing anything to our atmosphere. Feel free to read them and make your own decision.

It's an assumption say Im so keen on not 'believing' what I'm not so keen on is fanboy science which dictates anything different than their cherished beliefs is labelled b.s.

[Aktungbby]

https://images3.memedroid.com/images/UPLOADED633/61b4e5ee36cf4.jpeg

:D:D:D JEEZE! Now I know what my real problem is!!?:doh::oops::dead:

[Catfish]

@Rockstar i know you just want to troll, as much as you may paint yourself to mirror or quote "independent" science. Still i will not give up :O:
[...] I question the use of average temperature base lines as evidence temperatures are rising.
Are temperatures actually rising or is it because we have more weather stations around the globe than ever before taking measurements.
Certainly there were not as much weather stations placed all around the world in the cretaceous or as in recent times, the technology did not exist, nor did these f'n humans.
But it is about the last hundred thousand years, and in this time the core drillings of arctic and antarctic ice probes that have been derived by humans (tm of idiots) show the temperatures. Just like a tree's seasonal rings every being can go back in the years and determine the temperature, down to one year.
When it comes to older records the layers of sediments and precipitated chemicals tell about the earth's climate development or exceptional outliers (like in the permian and cretaceous ages). Oxygen and CO2 content can be measured along with a lot of other indications. The first oxygen abundance led to the first major extinction in those ancient oceans, not much living things of the time liked oxidizing [sic!] oxygen.
As our technology improved and the number of weather monitoring stations dramatically increased so did the global average temperatures.
This is a lie tale to suit your prejudice. You are right, temperatures rose since humans are able to directly measure it (took them long enough eh?). Before those times there were no humans. Yes i know your next phrase like "the technology to record and measure only exists since xxx years", but no!
There is indirect measuring of the times before those humans (who are so proud of themselves) roamed the world. And just of all those f'n humans are now able to determine the earth's temperature before their very own existence.
[...] It's an assumption say Im so keen on not 'believing' what I'm not so keen on is fanboy science which dictates anything different than their cherished beliefs is labelled b.s.
It is not about "fanboys of science" or about what is is "hip" now according to Fox News or Scientific American, it is just because you are obviously tired of thinking yourself and sum up obvious facts. Believing is for your human religion.
Your "cherished beliefs" you so criticize are based on exploration and logical thinking, just because you prefer to believe in conspiracy theories does not make the latter true.

[Rockstar]

@Rockstar i know you just want to troll, as much as you may paint yourself to mirror or quote "independent" science. Still i will not give up :O:

Cartainly there were not as much weather stations placed all around the world as in recent times, the technology did not exist.
But it is about the last hundred thousand years, and in this time the core drillings of arctic and antarctic ice probes show the temperature. Just like a tree's seasonal rings you can go back in the years and determine the temperature, down to one year.
When it comes to older records the layers of sediments and precipitated chemicals tell about the earth' climate development or exceptional outliers (like in the permian and cretaceous ages). Oxygen and CO2 content can be measured along with a lot of other indications.

This is a lie tale to suit your prejudice.


It is not about "fanboys" of science or about what is is "hip" now according to Fox News or Scientific American, it is just because you are obviously tired of thinking yourself and add the obvious facts.
Your "cherished beliefs" you so criticize are based on exploration and logical thinking, just because you prefer to believe in conspiracy theories does not make the latter true.

Tree rings might indicate past climate changes but I don't think they explain why.

So, if the NOAA says removing a weather station from a cold climate can reduce global temperature averages. It would IMO stand to reason adding weather stations to hot climates would raise the global temperature average (baseline).

And if all you can offer is some pathetic hit & run piece talking about being hip, fox news and other non-related topics which neither I or anyone here brought and without ever explaining anything why you just decreed something a lie then yes that's fanboy science. Is it because it threatens your cherished beliefs? Tell me why it's a lie otherwise it's just fanboy science and conceited fantasies which just derail anyone's effort to understand anything. Unless of course they believe what you believe then its science.

[Catfish]

So, if as the NOAA says by removing a weather station from a cold climate can reduce global temperature averages. It would IMO stand to reason adding weather stations to hot climates would raise the global temperature average (baseline).
Who says that? I somehow doubt this someone (and wtf is "NOAA"?) would suggest this? Where do "they" write this? If they do it would be enough to render them inappropriate.
All you can offer is SOME pathetic hit & run piece about about fox news which neither or anyone brought and without ever explaining just decide it's a lie. Is it because it threatens your cherished beliefs? Tell me why it's a lie.
I happen to threaten your cherished beliefs that oppose scientific methods and research. Fox News is brought up because August quotes it all the time, and you follow their argumentation.

edit: why don't you just read what i wrote about earth's past. It explains a lot.

[mapuc]

it is just because you are obviously tired of thinking yourself and sum up obvious facts. Believing is for your human religion.
Your "cherished beliefs" you so criticize are based on exploration and logical thinking, just because you prefer to believe in conspiracy theories does not make the latter true.

Thinking for our self.

Are we truly thinking for our self or are we thinking what others want us to think ?

Secondly WHO of us has a degree in climatology ? I for one doesn't

When it comes to this claim about climate change-I have decided not to believe any of them--Heck I have my own theory..and I seems to be to only one with this theory..I can't post an article to tell you I'm right, 'cause there isn't any.

Markus

[Rockstar]

You expect me to believe that in one sentence you explained a lot about earth's climate history, really? What does August, tree rings, fox news have to do what I wrote? All I did was attempt to share my understanding of the difference between global temperature average and temperature anomaly and why I think temperature averages have increased and that the end of year arguments of warming are actually over temperature anomalies? I also shared other news I found about scientific papers which discuss in some detail theories of how natural planetary forces may affect our climate. One of which is geo thermal venting that is said to be affecting arctic ice & Greenland ice caps from the bottom up as well as the Pacific Decadal Oscillation as we speak.

Then you come right and without explanation decree lies lies! Running down the road rambling on about fox news, trolls and august, wth?

[Catfish]

Thinking for our self.
Are we truly thinking for our self or are we thinking what others want us to think ?
There is always the 'danger' to fall for some.. entity's opinion because it seems logical (or because it suits your opinion or political prejudice :O:) The only remedy is to get information based on facts and empiricism, and to draw your conclusions.
Secondly WHO of us has a degree in climatology ? I for one doesn't
Climatology, well. There was a time and there are nations who do not study this. Do not ask me why there are people in nations that do, still prefer to believe in other (like populistic) explanations. Must be a "human" thing :-?
Yes we had climatology in our studies, but this means nothing. Theories change all the time.
When it comes to this claim about climate change-I have decided not to believe any of them--Heck I have my own theory..and I seems to be to only one with this theory..I can't post an article to tell you I'm right, 'cause there isn't any.
Right. Well you could present it here, no one will support or criticize it without trying to give evidence for or against it. Discussion is the best way to find the truth, and make you think.

[Catfish]

You expect me to believe that in one sentence you explained a lot about earth's climate history, really?
Not in one sentence, no. Short-term changes in weather like one warm or cold summer (or winter) does not represent a decade or century-long trend of a changing climate.
All I did was attempt to share my understanding of the difference between global temperature average and temperature anomaly and why I think temperature averages have increased and that the end of year arguments of warming are actually over temperature anomalies?
You are right, isolated occurrences do not represent a general climate change. But the decade-long melting of glaciers does show a trend.
It is not that this has not happened before, but the very short time interval in which it happens now is breathtaking. We see it happening in decades when it took ten-thousand years, or even millions of it (like the permian climate change and extinction).

You did not share a link of the news where this is discussed or then I still have not found it –
Yes, planetary forces, the earth's magnetic field, even "thermal exhalations" or volcanic eruptions can (and have!) influenced weather and climate of any planet, there are also cyclic changes. This has - afaik - not much to do with what we see now.

[August]

When it comes to this claim about climate change-I have decided not to believe any of them--Heck I have my own theory..and I seems to be to only one with this theory..I can't post an article to tell you I'm right, 'cause there isn't any.

Markus


I'd be interested to hear your theory Markus. While I may not agree i certainly wouldn't belittle or judge you for it.

[mapuc]

Right. Well you could present it here, no one will support or criticize it without trying to give evidence for or against it. Discussion is the best way to find the truth, and make you think.

Let me start with the fact. The battle to decrease the CO2 emission to almost zero will not help a tiny bit

It's earth who has decided to either erase the entire human race or a majority of it.

We are like a virus on Mother earths soil.

To fight a virus the body raise its temp.(that's why people has fever when they fight some virus in their body) This is what mother earth is doing raising the temp. to fight its virus(us) Earth is only a few hours old in the history of the universe and she has all the time to slowly raise the temp.

So you see all this talk about getting the CO2 emission down to almost zero will have no effect.

I've read things like it's important that we change our behaviour, well well this should have been done thousands of years ago.

Markus

[Rockstar]

Not in one sentence, no. Short-term changes in weather like one warm or cold summer (or winter) does not represent a decade or century-long trend of a changing climate.

You are right, isolated occurrences do not represent a general climate change. But the decade-long melting of glaciers does show a trend.
It is not that this has not happened before, but the very short time interval in which it happens now is breathtaking. We see it happening in decades when it took ten-thousand years, or even millions of it (like the permian climate change and extinction).

You did not share a link of the news where this is discussed or then I still have not found it –
Yes, planetary forces, the earth's magnetic field, even "thermal exhalations" or volcanic eruptions can (and have!) influenced weather and climate of any planet, there are also cyclic changes. This has - afaik - not much to do with what we see now.


I couldn’t find the paper about the Pacific currents warming it was so easy to find just a few months ago. However I did find a study about the Atlanticfication of arctic water which proposes the Arctic has been on a warming trend long before measuring instruments were even invented. They also add there is plenty of controversy regarding this theory and AGW theory. Controversy still remains on the relative impact of natural versus anthropogenic forcing on the North Atlantic system. However, it seems likely that the slowdown of the AMOC during the early 20th century has been caused primarily by increased export of Arctic sea ice and freshwater in the North-East Atlantic following the end of the LIA (Last Ice Area)

Hurry up, read IT, copy it, download it, whatever before that disappears from the intardnet too.

Yes the isolated possibility of removing a weather station from a cold climate are of the planet will affect the global temperature average. But don’t forget I also add my arguement there is an obvious correlation between the establishment of new weather station around the globe in the last few decade and the so-called “breathtaking” rise in global temperature average.

[August]

Let me start with the fact. The battle to decrease the CO2 emission to almost zero will not help a tiny bit

It's earth who has decided to either erase the entire human race or a majority of it.

We are like a virus on Mother earths soil.

To fight a virus the body raise its temp.(that's why people has fever when they fight some virus in their body) This is what mother earth is doing raising the temp. to fight its virus(us) Earth is only a few hours old in the history of the universe and she has all the time to slowly raise the temp.

So you see all this talk about getting the CO2 emission down to almost zero will have no effect.

I've read things like it's important that we change our behaviour, well well this should have been done thousands of years ago.

Markus


Not sure that I agree with the idea that nature has a conscious will but the end result can certainly be the same. IMO it all comes down to our numbers.

We're on track to hit 9 Billion people on this planet very soon, far more than we have ever had. With those ever climbing numbers in an increasingly electrified and mobilized world we won't ever reduce our CO2 emissions down to almost zero no matter how efficient we become. 9 billion people will still continue to breathe, will still continue to eat, our livestock will still fart and our crop fields will still replace our forests and prairies.

All that I think will happen is the governments will continue to pander to climate changes whether they are natural or man made in order to increase it's power over our lives by issuing ever more more intrusive, unrealistic and expensive mandates until the population simply finds it impossible to support or afford it any further.

Then society will descend into chaos and war and human population numbers will crash as a result. Nature will equalize upon a new balance that reflects the how and why of how it all went down and we humans will reorganize into new societies that will eventually crumble for whatever the proverbial camel straw it was that causes their demise and the process will be repeated.

At least until something happens that wipes us ALL out. That one might be tough to recover from for our even our most resourceful species.

[Rockstar]

I’m getting closer they are called ‘mantle plumes’. Still trying to find the one which suggest they are occurring in the Pacific and affecting the PDO and Arctic from the bottom up.. It’s out there somewhere.

https://phys.org/news/2020-12-newly-greenland-plume-thermal-arctic.html

[Rockstar]

At least until something happens that wipes us ALL out. That one might be tough to recover from for our even our most resourceful species.

Our history began when we started writing it. There are some which suggest why the earliest known record of human writing only goes back to around 3500 B.C. Because those who wrote it were able to survive a global catastrophe which obliterated everything before it. I laugh when I think about how they probably blamed themselves too. Just read Genesis, it wasn’t because of a meteor it was because we sinned! It was our fault!

https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/evidence-suggests-biblical-great-flood-noahs-time-happened/story?id=17884533

I think about AGW as a possibility but I tend not to get too worked up over it, pretty much for the sole reason politicians and media are way too heavily involved. It’s why I tend to lean towards the idea its nature taking its course

[Ostfriese]

Secondly WHO of us has a degree in climatology ?

Would a degree in chemistry be a sufficient alternative in your opinion?

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Watching scientific illiterates explaining "science" was funny for a short while a long time ago, but nowadays it's way too common, and way too many people are serious about the stupid things they claim to be science, about htings they believe in but haven't even understood on the most basic level (some postings in this thread fit perfectly into this scheme).

Whenever you believe the lowest level of stupidity has been reached some idiot pulls out an excavator just to dig an even deeper hole, more often enough accompanied by "It's a conspiracy" - "The government *blah blah blah*" - "The bible says..." - "Do your own research" - "There's a study/article here that says..."

I've experienced exactly this sort of bs for my entire work life, and the internet has made it far worse. The "do your own reserach" crowd has yet to produce a single individual who understands even the most basic scitentific principle and apply it correctly. Dunning-Kruger all around, and it's not just the flat earthers.

I even had the case of one of this "do your own research"-idiots telling me I wasn't able to understand a certain topic, and he linked three scientific papers with the aforementioned "do your own research" in tow - yes, you fool, I did, two of the papers were my own, for the third I was co-author.

[Dowly]

@Rockstar RE: Temperature measurements

I think it helps if you look at it at a smaller scale. Global temperatures are collected from hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of individual weather stations that take temperature measurements, usually daily. From these individual data sets, you start to build a bigger picture, first a local area then moving to wider region before somewhere down the line you pool it all together as global temperature. This data should be available from your local weather stations, so you could even download it and plonk it all in to excel and see how temperatures in your area have changed over time. (I just did, it was pretty cool!)

As for new methods and equipment, yes of course there will be difference between new and old. That's where calibration comes into play; you don't just switch off the old equipment, you keep it on and compare that data with the new data and adjust as needed. If you have the old equipment running parallel with the new one for a year and see that there's a difference of 0.1C between the two, you know how to adjust the old temperatures to match the new data from the new equipment. I am assuming the 30 year average is constantly running, so as years go by the data gets newer and newer with old temperatures dropping off from the other end.

Global temperature measurements are also not only tied to ground/sea based measurements, satellites keep track of temperatures as well and can be used to corroborate the data gathered from ground based stations.


As for your claim that there is no proof of how CO2 interacts with the atmosphere. That's just not true. Just like every other known gas on Earth, CO2's properties are well known and have been studied for over a century.
One could even do their own experiment to see how CO2 interacts with the sun (or a powerful light). Take two clear containers, one with air and one with CO2 added to the mix. Point a powerful light towards them or have them sit in the sun and use something to measure the temperature inside the two containers. After a while, you will see that the temperature inside the container with added CO2 will show warmer temperatures.

[Rockstar]

I do agree the globe is warming, but as one physicist/geophysicist said: “

“While I do not know what precisely (though I know a little) causes Global Warming, I do know what does not cause it. CO2 and other greenhouse gases, anthropogenic or otherwise, are merely passive players that, like the GTA (Global Temperature Anomaly), are driven by other more dynamic forces associated with Earth’s core, the Sun, and even the Cosmos (referring to the Danish theory of cloud formation), all of which act, react, and interact in a very complex manner.

Note that the IPCC concentrates on Solar Irradiance, but ignores other solar energies such as that associated with Solar Magnetic Flux that has more than doubled since 1900. Gravity is another player in the Global Warming picture. Also note that Mars has global warming comparable to Earth’s without CO2 (Fenton, et. al., Nature, 2008). There are no Martians to either generate or enhance CO2 on Mars.”

I mean if conclusive evidence is in that CO2 is the cause, why are learned people still saying such things?

Then there are Ne'er Do Wells like myself that still find studies showing other forces of nature mantle plumes or so-called heat bombs melting the both polar ice caps Greenland ice from the bottom up?


If people want to blame themselves for something let them take responsibility for the 7 millions deaths THEY cause each year from air pollution they generate. And the misery and death THEY cause by demanding the others dig up Cobalt in the Congo so they can have their precious cell phones. Take responsibility for that. The idea people proclaim they can save a planet when they can’t even care for their fellow human is conceited fantasy. :roll:

The planet Earth has changed, is changing and will change, it’s is gonna warm or cool as it has throughout its’ history with or without man and or his CO2.

[Skybird]

Another perspective.


Note on the following text: "Lützerath" is a recently forcibly evicted village in Germany that falls victim to lignite mining, Luisa Neubauer is a German Greta Thunberg.
Focus writes:
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Climate rescue? All well and good, but the real agenda of the activists is different

What is the climate movement about? The climate? You would think. Until you start looking into the real goals in more detail.

Do you know what a Leopard-2 consumes in fuel? 720 liters of diesel per hundred kilometers. Tanks are not only a disaster in terms of peace ethics, they are also climate killers. Every leopard is a Lützerath on tracks. I'm surprised that the climate movement hasn't discovered this issue and is pushing for a swift end to the war.

But wait. That's exactly what it says in an essay under the heading "Climate Killer War" in the "Journal for International Politics and Society," the foreign policy magazine of the Friedrich Ebert Foundation, the party foundation of the SPD.

"Bombardments on fossil infrastructure leave behind a mixture of various toxic substances that cause serious environmental damage," it says. "At the same time, raw materials and resources are being invested by all warring parties in armaments that would be needed to deal with the climate crisis." There is only one thing that can help: a ceasefire immediately! Only with a ceasefire can the 1.5-degree target still be achieved, the conclusion goes.

Sure, this is bitter news for all Ukrainians. A ceasefire means accommodating Putin. Without far-reaching concessions, he will hardly agree to recall his troops to save the 1.5-degree target. But climate change threatens not only Ukraine, but all of humanity. Forty-three million versus eight billion: That's the trade-off. Sorry, dear Ukraine.

It was only a matter of time before pacifism and the environmental movement came together. That's the great thing about climate, it fits in with everything that's politically en vogue at the moment. Anti-colonialism, anti-capitalism, anti-Semitism: if you look closely, there's no left-wing issue that can't be given a new lease of life this way.

Most people think that groups like "Fridays for Future" or "Last Generation" are about stopping climate change. That's the appeal of the movement. These desperate young people, it is said everywhere, are only fighting so that they also have a livelihood. Even the most hardened cynic gets weak in the knees when it comes to the future of the children.

But is the climate movement really about the climate? I now have my doubts. If I were a climate activist, my main concern would be how to keep our economic system running without driving the planet's temperature ever higher.

The fantastic thing is that, with nuclear power, mankind has an energy source that is reliable, sufficiently available and climate-neutral. If the activists were solely concerned with the climate, one would think they would be interested in anything that might offer a way out. But it isn't. There is not even a discussion of reassessing nuclear power. The only thing there is is a demand to shut down everything that is considered too dirty.

I came across a video clip by chance featuring entrepreneur and book author Vivek Ramaswamy. Ramaswamy made a bunch of money in medical technology before he started writing. His book, Woke, Inc. i.e., about woken capitalism, was on the New York Times bestseller list for months.

The real goal of the climate movement is to get the West to apologize for past sins in order to finally achieve global justice, Ramaswamy says in the video excerpt. Hence the reluctance to embrace nuclear power. The problem with nuclear power, he says, is not that it has disappointed the expectations placed in it. The problem is that it is too good. The moment clean energy is available in large quantities, there is no more leverage to push the anti-Western agenda.

Admittedly, that sounds a bit far-fetched. But talk to climate activists for a while and it occurs to you that maybe Ramaswamy isn't so off base after all.

Did you know that the fight for the 1.5-degree target will be decided next to Luetzerath in Ramallah? Why is that, you may now ask. Because the fight against climate change can only be won if the Palestinian flag flies everywhere where Israel is today. You still don't see what one has to do with the other? Quite simply: Israel is a colonial state, and climate justice will only exist when "white supremacy" is broken. These are not my words, these are original words of "LütziBleibt".

Anti-capitalism is not dead, it has just taken on a new manifestation. Now they are trying to unhinge the system by cutting off the power to industry. Of course, the fight is also being declared against the cop state. "In the medium term, we must abolish the police as a body that primarily supports the interests of a capitalist system," reads a statement by the anti-coal initiatives.

That the demonstrators would be the first to go under when the law of the strongest rules in the streets is one of the many consequences that don't seem to me to have been properly considered. It is one thing to dump tomato soup over paintings, and quite another to laugh in the face of a Hells Angel who no longer has to fear the police or justice.

I am always amazed at the comradely tone in which activists like Luisa Neubauer are met on "Anne Will" or "Maybrit Illner". Not a clear word, not a critical question. Since I don't assume that Anne Will also dreams of abolishing capitalism, her obligingness stems from opportunism or ignorance. My money is on both.

Of course, the model Green is also spared the question of why she is a member of a group whose umbrella organization calls for bombing terror against civilians. "Yallah Intifada" read a call from "Fridays for Future" just this week again. But hey, what can Luisa Neubauer do about the fact that "Fridays for Future" is full of Israel haters? Besides, it's about the climate!

It's not far from the leftist idea of justice to the system of coercion. The doyen of the climate protection movement, Hans-Joachim Schellnhuber of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research, has now proposed that every German be allocated a fixed CO2 budget. Each person should not be allowed to emit more than three tons of CO₂ per year, which is just about the right amount for the global climate. From 2050, emissions are then to be zero.

At the moment, a German citizen emits ten tons of CO₂ per year. So you can start thinking about how you want to get down from that. You won't be able to rely on insight alone. The details are still unclear: Will there be a CO₂ declaration in addition to the tax return? How will CO₂ offenses be monitored? How do you even measure your own emissions? But it won't work without oversight.

In a study published in the scientific journal Nature, researchers from Sweden and Great Britain have worked out how a private emissions trading system could be set up using cell phones. Of course, this would require the abolition of data protection. In the end, it could work like in China. Every movement would be recorded and rated according to its environmental impact. Instead of social points, there would be climate points.

The tragedy of the modern climate movement is that it would not get through at the ballot box with any proposal. How many would be enthusiastic about abolishing the police and capitalism in the medium term? Two percent, three percent? Other movements have already despaired of the intransigence of the masses.

I can understand the unwillingness to follow the climate activists politically. I also have limited trust in people who can't think of anything more than shutting down everything that bothers them.

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[Rockstar]

https://youtu.be/B1jbVpnnQRE

[Rockstar]

… Would a degree in chemistry be a sufficient alternative in your opinion? . Ummm, no. topic isn’t about chemistry really.

Dunning-Kruger all around, and it's not just the flat earthers.

I even had the case of one of this "do your own research"-idiots telling me I wasn't able to understand a certain topic, and he linked three scientific papers with the aforementioned "do your own research" in tow - yes, you fool, I did, two of the papers were my own, for the third I was co-author.

Funny you should mention the Dunning-Kruger effect. I brought this up last time someone used that term the way you do. One article from Psychology Today states “that one way to avoid falling prey to the Dunning-Kruger effect, people can honestly and routinely question their knowledge base and the conclusions they draw, rather than blindly accepting them.”.

“How do you fix the Dunning-Kruger effect?
Question what you know and pay attention to those who have different viewpoints. Seek feedback from people you can trust who you know are highly skilled in your area of interest. Be open to constructive criticism and resist the impulse to become defensive. Don’t pretend to know something you don’t. Make it a priority to continue learning and growing.”

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/dunning-kruger-effect

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In a later article from the same magazine another states the Dunning-Kruger effect isn’t real. “ The Dunning-Kruger effect is commonly invoked in online arguments to discredit other people’s ideas. The effect states that people who know the least about a topic are the most overconfident about that topic while people who know the most tend to be more humble and accurate in their self-assessment. It seems intuitively right, and it’s often a way to undercut people who present their opinions and arguments with "absolute certainty" that they’re right. The only problem is that the Dunning-Kruger effect itself is wrong.”…

“So now if someone online says something cutting about how the person they're arguing with is too stupid to know they’re wrong, you can point them to this post. There is no Dunning-Kruger. Everyone thinks they’re better than average. How’s that for taking the wind out of a dunk?”

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/how-do-you-know/202012/dunning-kruger-isnt-real

https://gwern.net/docs/iq/2020-gignac.pdf

[Dowly]

. Ummm, no. topic isn’t about chemistry really.Chemistry is widely used in climate science.

[Eichhörnchen]

We're on track to hit 9 Billion people on this planet very soon, far more than we have ever had. With those ever climbing numbers in an increasingly electrified and mobilized world we won't ever reduce our CO2 emissions down to almost zero no matter how efficient we become. 9 billion people will still continue to breathe, will still continue to eat, our livestock will still fart and our crop fields will still replace our forests and prairies.

All that I think will happen is the governments will continue to pander to climate changes whether they are natural or man made in order to increase it's power over our lives by issuing ever more more intrusive, unrealistic and expensive mandates until the population simply finds it impossible to support or afford it any further.

Then society will descend into chaos and war and human population numbers will crash as a result. Nature will equalize upon a new balance that reflects the how and why of how it all went down and we humans will reorganize into new societies that will eventually crumble for whatever the proverbial camel straw it was that causes their demise and the process will be repeated.

At least until something happens that wipes us ALL out. That one might be tough to recover from for our even our most resourceful species.

Have to say this is also my view, August

[Rockstar]

Chemistry is widely used in climate science.

So is misinformation


Remember the 97% consensus clown show?

https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2015Sc%26Ed..24..299L/abstract

https://www.wmbriggs.com/public/Legates.etal.2015.pdf

https://i.imgur.com/dqYRl0F.jpg

[Ostfriese]

[quote]https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2015Sc%26Ed..24..299L/abstract

https://www.wmbriggs.com/public/Legates.etal.2015.pdf



Nice, the Legates paper, haven't seen that one in a while, as it is already a decade old and the discussion about it long over. That paper actually is a response to a single paper by Daniel Bedford (about agnotology as a teaching tool) from 2010, which Legates et al. comprehensively misrepresent and deliberately misquotes.

This was addressed by Daniel Bedford an John Cook in an answer in "Science & Education" in 2013 (https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11191-013-9608-3 unfortunatly behind a pay wall).

[Rockstar]

And the polls? You of all people should know science is not a democracy. Did you use a poll to determine wether your work in chemistry was correct?

If we want to know the probability climate change is man-made you do a data analysis. We don’t poll scientists, because if 97.1% of scientists in a poll say they believe it's man-made, the risk is that the masses will think there's a 97.1% chance this is correct. And lord knows the masses will hold onto their cherished beliefs to the point they can't be bothered to think about new data because they contradict something they once claimed as the truth. If we rely on polls we have to factor in all those social and psychological problems too.

So, you might think I don’t like polls and you’d be right, I don’t. Couple that when I see every major media outlet walking lock step in reporting on the subject, and the opinions of politicians, their chosen & Hollywood personalities are heard above ALL. I begin to wonder if I’m being fed a line of b.s. and so begin digging around. And lo and behold even today there are still others presenting analysis and data which show it’s the planet just doing what planets do. It wouldn’t be the first time a global catastrophe wiped out a big chunk of life on this planet. If that is the case then the only thing we can do is adapt or perish.

There are three things I can be certain of and that’s planet earth’s geologic and climate history. And the ancient texts which I think clearly show that when man can’t explain why on a clear sunny day the sun was blotted out from the sky. The prophets blamed the masses telling them it was their fault because of some offense they committed. Centuries later we find out it was just the moon doing what moons do eclipsing the sun.

That’s my story and for now I’m sticking to it. :)

[mapuc]

In my theory this climate change we are in and it's just the beginning, is man made.

In our way of how we act towards mother Earth.

Markus

[Dowly]

I begin to wonder if I’m being fed a line of b.s. and so begin digging around. And lo and behold even today there are still others presenting analysis and data which show it’s the planet just doing what planets do.Yet you still can't provide any alternatives to what's causing climate change.

[Ostfriese]

And the polls? You of all people should know science is not a democracy. Did you use a poll to determine wether your work in chemistry was correct?

Experiments, peer reviews, discussion with other scientists and (something you seem to lack, at least judging from the words you write here) the understanding that I can and might be proven wrong, as well as the willingness to accept this.

If we want to know the probability climate change is man-made you do a data analysis.
You completely miss the point. There's clear evidence, based on series of experiments which have been repeated dozens of times that mankind has heavily contributed to climate change since the dawn of industrialization. It doesn't really matter if it is entirely man-made (which it very likely is not) or if mankind has only heavily sped the entire process up (which it very likely did). There's more than enough evidence to support it, and it doesn't matter what the exact probability is.

And lord knows the masses will hold onto their cherished beliefs to the point they can't be bothered to think about new data because they contradict something they once claimed as the truth.
Yep, just like religious fundamentalists (especially Christian), conspiracy theorists, flat earthers. Unfortunately you are doing just the same, just with a different belief.

I begin to wonder if I’m being fed a line of b.s. and so begin digging around.
Which on the very basic level is completely ok and necessary. But you already have marked it down as bs, and you simply cannot (or don't want to, can't say which just from reading your words) accept that your verdict "bs" might simply be wrong.
Just because someone I don't like says something I don't like, don't understand or simply cannot fathom to be true that doesn't mean it's bs.

And the ancient texts which I think clearly show that when man can’t explain why on a clear sunny day the sun was blotted out from the sky.
Which ancient texts are this supposed to be? (Please don't tell me it's "The Bible"...) The ancient Egyptians, the ancient Greek, the ancient Persians and the ancient Chinese all correctly attributed this to the moon moving in between the sun and the earth at least 2,500 years ago, and they all were capable of predicting eclipses reasonably accurate decades or even centuries before they would occur. Even other late bronze age civilizations (phoenicians, to name just one) likely knew this about 1,200 BC. The ancient Chinese might have known even as far back as 2,000 BC. Even in Central and Southern America classical drawings have been recovered that hint that the native people there knew about eclipses as far back as 2,000 years ago.

That’s my story and for now I’m sticking to it. :)
The greenhouse effect as a principle was first described 200 years ago. The first known and published experiments measuring the influence of infrared radiation on atmospheric gases, especially carbon dioxide and water vapor, were done in the late 1850 by John Tyndall. Global warming is often said to be a topic that came up in the 2000s, but was actually first predicted by Svanthe Arrhenius in 1896, including several models showing different amounts of carbon dioxide released into the atmosphere due to industrialization. Exxon correctly predicted the temperature rise due to massive carbon dioxide release back in the early 1970s.

All you have to offer is "I don't like what the mass media are telling".

[Rockstar]

Experiments, peer reviews, discussion with other scientists and (something you seem to lack, at least judging from the words you write here) the understanding that I can and might be proven wrong, as well as the willingness to accept this.


You completely miss the point. There's clear evidence, based on series of experiments which have been repeated dozens of times that mankind has heavily contributed to climate change since the dawn of industrialization. It doesn't really matter if it is entirely man-made (which it very likely is not) or if mankind has only heavily sped the entire process up (which it very likely did). There's more than enough evidence to support it, and it doesn't matter what the exact probability is.


Yep, just like religious fundamentalists (especially Christian), conspiracy theorists, flat earthers. Unfortunately you are doing just the same, just with a different belief.


Which on the very basic level is completely ok and necessary. But you already have marked it down as bs, and you simply cannot (or don't want to, can't say which just from reading your words) accept that your verdict "bs" might simply be wrong.
Just because someone I don't like says something I don't like, don't understand or simply cannot fathom to be true that doesn't mean it's bs.


Which ancient texts are this supposed to be? (Please don't tell me it's "The Bible"...) The ancient Egyptians, the ancient Greek, the ancient Persians and the ancient Chinese all correctly attributed this to the moon moving in between the sun and the earth at least 2,500 years ago, and they all were capable of predicting eclipses reasonably accurate decades or even centuries before they would occur. Even other late bronze age civilizations (phoenicians, to name just one) likely knew this about 1,200 BC. The ancient Chinese might have known even as far back as 2,000 BC. Even in Central and Southern America classical drawings have been recovered that hint that the native people there knew about eclipses as far back as 2,000 years ago.


The greenhouse effect as a principle was first described 200 years ago. The first known and published experiments measuring the influence of infrared radiation on atmospheric gases, especially carbon dioxide and water vapor, were done in the late 1850 by John Tyndall. Global warming is often said to be a topic that came up in the 2000s, but was actually first predicted by Svanthe Arrhenius in 1896, including several models showing different amounts of carbon dioxide released into the atmosphere due to industrialization. Exxon correctly predicted the temperature rise due to massive carbon dioxide release back in the early 1970s.

All you have to offer is "I don't like what the mass media are telling".

I’ve brought up more current up to date theories and possibilities such as Mantel plumes warming Pacific Ocean currents, Atlantification, melting of Arctic and Greenland ice caps from the bottom up. And you’re stuck on something Exxon said in the 70’s and you accuse me of being a flat earther? Oh that’s rich. Hold on tight to your cherished beliefs go out and convert the infidel. Anyway, I think my point was just proven what happens when people base their belief on polls and refuse to look at anything else. thank you. :yeah:

[Catfish]

Hold on tight to your cherished beliefs and go out and convert the infidel. You pretty much just proved my point, thank you. :yeah:
All you have proven is this:
All you have to offer is "I don't like what the mass media are telling".

And i am not trying to even convince anyone anymore, if people want to believe something there is no fact nor argument nor pure data that will ever convince them or even make them think it through. Conspiracies rule and are so much more interesting than having to prove it. If anyone proves a conspiracy wrong you can just shift your view a bit to make you comfortable again.
It is predominantly this why i think humanity is neither intelligent nor will it survive very long :yep:

[Rockstar]

You come on here all high and mighty speaking about proof and evidence like you know something others don’t. When fact you don’t know any more than I or anyone else. But you do have your beliefs just don’t push them on me. Isn’t that what we say to religious zealots?

All those natural occurring phenomena warming our planet I mentioned in the post above. And who is it at the podium giving speeches? The modern day prophets of doom WEF, AlGore, Greta, Prince Harry and Leonardo DiCaprio telling us it’s our fault. God forbid if people think for themselves don’t do that, that’s sin and we’ll all die.

Meanwhile you, me and everyone here is responsible for 7 million deaths each year from air pollution. People in the poorest of nations suffering death, misery, hardship everyday single day to provided your eco-friendly computers, phones, vehicles and appliances so we can all feel good about ourselves ‘saving the planet’.

[mapuc]

I can only conclude that there will not be an unification on this matter.

Some expert say it isn't climate change but something else and here they have different theory.

Some expert say we have a climate change and even here they have different theory most of them is accusing Homo Sapiens Sapiens for this.

You can say what you want-You have taken a standpoint either for or against climate change and I RESPECT this...None of us if fully expert on Climate..With 20,30 or 40 years of experience

After having seen a 4-5 minutes discussion on Danish News channel between two climate expert, I decide to stay neutral and develop my entire own theory.

I think it was Skybird who many month ago posted a link to a documentary on YT I think the title was Planet of the Humans by Michael Moore.

I say you should watch it it's worth a watch.

Markus

[Rockstar]

Let it burn into your brain so you never forget. YOU, Greta, Prince Harry, Leonardo DiCaprio and Al Gore and that stupid crusade to save the planet is what’s causing this. But don’t worry you’re not alone like them and you as long as I can the latest iPhone I really don’t care either. IMO as long as it’s them the risks are worth it. Plus I feel so much better about myself when I’m told by Greta I’m saving the planet. :har:

POLLUTION CAUSING BIRTH DEFECTS IN CHILDREN OF DRC COBALT MINERS
MAY 6, 2020 COPPERBELT KATANGA NEWS

https://copperbeltkatangamining.com/pollution-causing-birth-defects-in-children-of-drc-cobalt-miners/

https://i2.wp.com/copperbeltkatangamining.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/child-dedects.jpg

CBS News finds children mining cobalt for batteries in the Congo

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cobalt-children-mining-democratic-republic-congo-cbs-news-investigation/

I find this U.N. article hilarious. Climate change is linked to an increase in child slave labor. Well no **** Sherlock ya think? The crusade to save the planet under the leadership of the WEF has only increased the need for mining rare earth metals.

https://news.un.org/en/audio/2015/06/601402

And this is from 2015.

[Dowly]

You complain in this very thread that you don't believe in AGW because it is politicized, yet you are the only one in this thread politicizing it.

Most of this thread is just you projecting onto others what you are doing yourself. Politicizing, blind belief, bad science and on and on.

[Rockstar]

I’m just asking questions and making statements admittedly mockingly at times though not directed at any one person.. But in no way projecting. But if after what I wrote you insist I’m projecting. Then I would insist you are in denial.

[August]

I still say that human caused global warming, if it exists, is the only thing that could possibly be staving off the next ice age. Without all those factories and power plants and automobiles that brought us up to our present quality of life we would be under miles of ice by now.

[em2nought]

I still say that human caused global warming, if it exists, is the only thing that could possibly be staving off the next ice age. Without all those factories and power plants and automobiles that brought us up to our present quality of life we would be under miles of ice by now.

Surely the past few years have shown us that "the powers that be" are full of it. :D
Today It's Global Warming; In the '70s It was the Coming Ice Age
https://www.washingtonpolicy.org/publications/detail/today-its-global-warming-in-the-70s-it-was-the-coming-ice-age

[August]

Surely the past few years have shown us that "the powers that be" are full of it. :D
Today It's Global Warming; In the '70s It was the Coming Ice Age
https://www.washingtonpolicy.org/publications/detail/today-its-global-warming-in-the-70s-it-was-the-coming-ice-age




I remember that whole thing very well and it's proponents were just as shrill and condescending as their modern contemporaries are about climate change.

[Skybird]

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Today It's Global Warming; In the '70s It was the Coming Ice Age
https://www.washingtonpolicy.org/publications/detail/today-its-global-warming-in-the-70s-it-was-the-coming-ice-agehttps://koelnerleben-magazin.de/files/dbay_template_data/thumbs/480/b75625301e08639fd7c9f994a752720f.jpg

[Sean C]

I still say that human caused global warming, if it exists, is the only thing that could possibly be staving off the next ice age. Without all those factories and power plants and automobiles that brought us up to our present quality of life we would be under miles of ice by now.

You may be right about that. :03: Wikipedia on Milankovitch cycles (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles):

The current trend of decreasing [axial] tilt, by itself, will promote milder seasons (warmer winters and colder summers), as well as an overall cooling trend. Because most of the planet's snow and ice lies at high latitude, decreasing tilt may encourage the termination of an interglacial period and the onset of a glacial period for two reasons: 1) there is less overall summer insolation, and, 2) there is less insolation at higher latitudes (which melts less of the previous winter's snow and ice).

[Rockstar]

We need to cut down more of the Amazon to expose more rare earth precious metals mining sites poisoning the environment and our fellow man around the globe. Get children and adults in third world backwater countries to work for free or a mere pittance digging out cobalt and other carcinogens needed for my wind farms, solar panels and electric cars by hand. It will certainly cut down on my costs to maintain my way of life. On top of that I get to feel better about myself because I'm saving the planet! Which of course as you have been told is a much bigger issue and all our fault, so thier lives or what’s left of it is soo worth it.

IPCC and Greta are nothing more than grifters living the dream at someone’s else’s expense.

[Rockstar]

Ya know, years back I asked here if changes in the earth magnetosphere could affect the climate. Of course the self proclaimed fact checkers said it was not the cause.

I was reading about carbon 14. Its origin is primarily cosmic though nuclear weapon testing, nuclear power plants contribute and I think to an even smaller degree volcanic eruptions as well. What protects us from being overdosed by cosmic carbon 14 is our planet’s magnetosphere and our solar systems heliosphere.

I remember in the 90’s our magnetosphere really started to change magnetic north is now racing to new locations daily. Heck the aurora borealis even made an appearance as far south as Maryland just the other week. Our shifting magnetosphere is theorized by some to allow and trap even more cosmic Carbon 14.

Guess what happens to Carbon 14 when it oxidizes in our atmosphere? First it oxidizes into Carbon monoxide and eventually into Greta’s bogeyman CO2. Nobody is exactly sure why we get supercharged with carbon 14 which eventually oxidizes into a crap ton of CO2. Some think it might be because earths magnetosphere going wonky. Or when the sun is at Solar minimum which in turn weakens the heliosphere that protects our solar system from cosmic rays.

Interesting that about the same time in the 90’s AlGore, the priests of consensus,
IPCC, Hollywood, Wikipedia and Greta started telling you it’s your fault and making money using slave labor and poisoning the environment even further.


Maybe I’m wrong. But I sure as heck ain’t projecting or the one sticking my head in the sand.

Just reminder to all you believers to get your untested vaccines, it’s the only way to save humanity you know.

[Catfish]

^ You have already posted this two years or so ago. From Milanković cycles (usually taking thousands of years to change) to magnetic fields; nothing explains the sudden rise in such a short time. Nothing than some other input, if we only had a hint what this could be :yep:

The CO2 cycle is not so well researched indeed, so you may have a point. Still, geological probes of the past do not indicate such a rise of CO2 in the atmosphere as we experience this now. Not in such a short time!

Magnetic fields have changed ever so often, we can see the poles were "inverted" (whatever one sees as the "right" pole configuration) some 30.000 years ago, and again during Viking times, through the positioning of magnetic flux in rocks being used near fire places, raching Curie temperature and thus "freezing" the magnetic field of the earth at the time after cooling.
Theoretically there could be some impact on earth's radiation exposure to the sun when this magnetic field tilts over once more (which is a relatively (geologically spoken) fast process), but it would not have much impact on the temperature afaik.
It has happened a lot of times before, the Earth's crust and outer shells turns with another speed relative to the earth's hot iron core, so the whole setup works like an unbalanced dynamo.

[Rockstar]

To the best of my knowledge the penetration and entrapment of cosmic carbon 14 in our atmosphere I don’t think has much if anything to do with the Milankovic cycle. What I got out of it was changes to our magnetosphere and heliosphere do.

And through a process called atmospheric oxidation carbon 14 is said to rapidly oxidize to co2.

Pole shift and other magnetic aberrations are said to have minimal impact on life but as we are finding out minimal as we like to think it is, it does have an impact. One I was reading about and what we may be experiencing now is a reduced protection from cosmic rays like carbon 14 which is said to produce even more CO2 in the atmosphere. And guess what happened about the time the North Pole started racing across the planet? Increase in CO2 levels.

But then who knows maybe Greta is right and we need to tear up and poison the environment and our neighbors even more so we can have kewl electric cars to drive around in and massive wind farms that kill off dolphin populations.

As for the dramatic rise in global average surface temperatures I still attribute that mostly to the dramatic rise in the number of weather stations around the globe. When we hear about hottest or coldest years they are talking about temperature anomalies which are measurements either side of that average. All are affected by a milankovic cycle, the earths axis, rotation and orbit around the sun. And yes maybe even that crap ton of co2 from all the cosmic rays currently bombarding earths atmosphere because of what you still perceive as something as harmless.

Electric cars do not produce co2! But all that plant matter cut down in the Amazon to mine the metals that make Greta’s dream come true does when it decays.

[Rockstar]

Now I know everyone loves to hear how aberrations in the earths magnetosphere is just a natural harmless occurrence. Because that’s what you have been lead to believe by the priests of Anthropogenic global warming have declared any change in the climate must be your fault.:D

Which when you think about it. If people were told which according to one investigation that connects a magnetic field reversal about 42,000 years ago to climate upheaval on a global scale, which caused extinctions and reshaped human behavior.

Can you imagine the chaos and panic that would create.

There may not be a massive upheaval of biblical proportions. But couple a weakened magnetosphere with one solar flare and all of your electric cars, windmills, cellphones, ipads, solar panels, banks, will stop working.

https://i.postimg.cc/2ySMD3SY/4130-C46-A-3-E13-4-B80-9585-0492-E8-A4-A152.jpg

[Rockstar]

Was looking at another climate chart which showed what seemed like a natural progression of Co2 levels. Until when in 1950(s) it made an unnatural spike that went straight up to unnatural levels. Well after the Industrial Revolution as some like to claim was the beginning of the rise in co2, apparently not.

What else was going on the from 1945 to 1992. Oh ya nuclear weapons testing.

According to literature, nuclear weapons testing in the 1950s and 1960s have nearly doubled the atmospheric carbon 14 content as measured in around 1965. The level of bomb carbon was about 100% above normal levels between 1963 and 1965.

Atmosphere oxidation of carbon 14 produces Co2. Or so I’ve read.

Now our magnetosphere is going haywire which will most likely involve increased levels of cosmic carbon 14 radiation which eventually oxidizes into more co2. No stopping it now. :har::har:

https://i0.wp.com/yaleclimateconnections.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/0320_co2_graphic.jpg

[Rockstar]

Just like the days of old, the priests would have you believe it’s all your fault. But as the faithful follow and just believe. Thankfully there are still with people with healthy human brains learning, discovering and debating.

One thing is certain. It doesn’t take ‘thousands of years’, a weakened magnetosphere can allow solar winds and cosmic rays to wreak havoc, coupled with changes within earth itself warming ocean currents. Natures ‘input’ can quickly affect weather patterns and climate. I don’t know if the followers of Greta are aware of this but the current fast pace of the weakening of Earth's magnetic field began taking place 160 years ago. And if the Greta’s climate change priests did the math they would find it started near the end of Greta’s boogieman the Industrial Revolution, how convenient for the priests.


New perspectives in the study of the Earth’s magnetic field and climate connection: The use of transfer entropy

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0207270

Abstract

The debated question on the possible relation between the Earth’s magnetic field and climate has been usually focused on direct correlations between different time series representing both systems. However, the physical mechanism able to potentially explain this connection is still an open issue. Finding hints about how this connection could work would suppose an important advance in the search of an adequate physical mechanism. Here, we propose an innovative information-theoretic tool, i.e. the transfer entropy, as a good candidate for this scope because is able to determine, not simply the possible existence of a connection, but even the direction in which the link is produced. We have applied this new methodology to two real time series, the South Atlantic Anomaly (SAA) area extent at the Earth’s surface (representing the geomagnetic field system) and the Global Sea Level (GSL) rise (for the climate system) for the last 300 years, to measure the possible information flow and sense between them. This connection was previously suggested considering only the long-term trend while now we study this possibility also in shorter scales. The new results seem to support this hypothesis, with more information transferred from the SAA to the GSL time series, with about 90% of confidence level. This result provides new clues on the existence of a link between the geomagnetic field and the Earth’s climate in the past and on the physical mechanism involved because, thanks to the application of the transfer entropy, we have determined that the sense of the connection seems to go from the system that produces geomagnetic field to the climate system. Of course, the connection does not mean that the geomagnetic field is fully responsible for the climate changes, rather that it is an important driving component to the variations of the climate.



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Conclusions

We have applied for the first time a recent statistical tool, transfer entropy, to shed light on the question of a possible link between the Earth’s magnetic field and climate and provide new perspectives in its future analysis. In this work, we have analyzed two real time series with an analogous evolution for the last 300 years, the South Atlantic Anomaly area extent on the Earth’s surface and the Global Sea Level rise. We have analyzed the anomalies of both time series, after removing the long term trend. The results seem to support the existence of an information flow between SAA and GSL anomalies, with larger information transferred from SAA to GSL and a confidence level about 90%. The found connection does not mean that the geomagnetic field is fully responsible of the climate changes, rather that it is an important driving component to the variations of the climate. This result is especially relevant because could help to find a physical mechanism able to explain this connection by discarding those in which the climate controls the geomagnetic field and supporting the mechanisms associated to the geomagnetic field.

Although this work seems to provide a favorable argument to this link, future investigations are needed to completely exploit this issue, for example to check other time series at longer timescales.

[em2nought]

Happy Easter sinners! :D

https://i.imgflip.com/6v04zn.jpg

[em2nought]

What else was going on the from 1945 to 1992. Oh ya nuclear weapons testing.

According to literature, nuclear weapons testing in the 1950s and 1960s have nearly doubled the atmospheric carbon 14 content as measured in around 1965. The level of bomb carbon was about 100% above normal levels between 1963 and 1965.

Atmosphere oxidation of carbon 14 produces Co2. Or so I’ve read.



That thought just occurred to me the other day while checking out an article on testing somewhere out west. It would be interesting to know how the numbers stack up weapons testing vs industrialization. I'm surprised Al doesn't laud North Korea for having such a small carbon footprint per citizen. :D

https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-1240w,f_auto,q_auto:best/streams/2013/June/130621/6C7971524-111219-holiday-korea1-120p.jpg

[Skybird]

In four days, the Greens' forty-year mission to exorcise the devil from Germany will finally be accomplished. At the end of this week, the last three nuclear power plants in Germany will be shut down.

To compensate for this, legislation has been introduced that will allow households and wallboxes to have their electricity cut off for four hours at a time, or longer if necessary.

Two years ago, the Federal Office for Civil Protection launched a campaign to see power outages as an opportunity for romantic candlelight dinners. That's how the German moron talks himself out of even the biggest mess.

The new situation, according to the Greens, proves Germany's modernity, underlining the superior new German mindset that is independent of the laws of physics, biology and the market. At the same time it is reported that Baerbock's face stylist costs the taxpayer 140,000 euros, and it is colported that chief Dances-with-windmill-wings-Habeck lets himself be put in the right picture by a special photographer for 400,000 euros of tax money while he tells the Germans his latest tall tales in front of running cameras, in order to preserve his ambitions for the chancellorship. Recently he shone with the announcement that he has nothing against Ukrainian nuclear power plants, because they are there and have been built - all while he killes Geran nuclear energy and an internal expert opinion study in his ministry on the need for nuclear energy, however, he had falsified, then told the public that this was an "open-ended and objective" examination, and falsely implied recently that nuclear fuel rods could only be ordered in Russia, although there are international alternatives and Germany itself even produced nuclear fuel to a small extent in the past.

The most evil and mendacious criminal pack in German politics. With the house and heat pump policy they have declared war on German society. Ultimately, all this is nothing more than a gigantic hidden expropriation by a Maoist band of robbers.

[Rockstar]

https://youtu.be/TTCwXZcPKjc

[mapuc]

Found this article

It's up to you to decide whether it's correct what they claim in their survey about CO2. I do not have enough knowledge on this matter.

Despite that the world has been blaming CO2 for global warming and causing climate extremes, it is not the villain. CO2 is only a part of a larger whole. We cannot focus on CO2 levels alone. In fact, CO2 is just a symptom of a much larger problem that we haven’t yet faced. A problem, that is related to all living things on Earth.

https://naturewayfarm.co.uk/global-warming/global-warming-basics-why-co2-is-not-the-villain

Markus

[Rockstar]

https://youtu.be/NiHrCjqP4KQ

[Rockstar]

https://i.postimg.cc/pXgHTTgh/IMG-1450.jpg

[Skybird]

No propaganda, but a thankfully sober outlook on this year's El Nino. It promises to get warm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwdxffEzQ9I

[Skybird]

I like that guy, he is relaxed, sober, yet marks the relevant points. This is about the reducing AMOC.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2ETr6X1lOk

[Rockstar]

05/16/23
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BIG FOOD
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BIG ENERGY

› NEWS

New York to Track Residents’ Food Purchases and Place ‘Caps on Meat’ Served by Public Institutions
New York City will begin tracking the carbon footprint of household food consumption and putting caps on how much red meat can be served in public institutions as part of a sweeping initiative to achieve a 33% reduction in carbon emissions from food by 2030.

By
Brenda Baletti, Ph.D.


https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/nyc-track-food-purchases-meat-cap-carbon-emissions/

New York City will begin tracking the carbon footprint of household food consumption and putting caps on how much red meat can be served in public institutions as part of a sweeping initiative to achieve a 33% reduction in carbon emissions from food by 2030.

Mayor Eric Adams and representatives from the Mayor’s Office of Food Policy and Mayor’s Office of Climate & Environmental Justice announced the new programs last month at a Brooklyn culinary center run by NYC Health + Hospitals, the city’s public healthcare system, just before Earth Day.

At the event, the Mayor’s Office of Climate & Environmental Justice shared a new chart to be included in the city’s annual greenhouse gas inventory that publicly tracks the carbon footprint created by household food consumption, the Gothamist reported.

The city already produced emissions data from energy use, transportation and waste as part of the annual inventory. But the addition of household food consumption data is part of a partnership that London and New York launched with American Express, C40 Cities and EcoData lab, Commissioner Rohit Aggarwala from the NYC Department of Environmental Protection announced at the event.

Aggarwala — who founded Google smart city subsidiary Sidewalk Labs — celebrated the expanded data collection as forging “a new standard for what cities have to do” and a new way to shape policy.

He said the inventory also will measure greenhouse gas pollution from the production and consumption of other consumer goods like apparel, whether or not those items are made in New York City. It also tracks emissions tied to services like air travel and healthcare.

But Adams’ presentation at the event focused on food consumption, particularly meat and dairy.

“Food is the third-biggest source of cities’ emissions right after buildings and transportation,” Adams said. “But all food is not created equal. The vast majority of food that is contributing to our emission crises lies in meat and dairy products.”

He added:

“It is easy to talk about the emissions that’s coming from buildings and how it impacts our environment, but we now have to talk about beef. And I don’t know if people are ready for this conversation.”

Adams — a vegan who, according to a whistleblower, also eats fish, credits his “plant-based diet” for his recovery from diabetes. He is the author of “Healthy at Last: A Plant-Based Approach to Preventing and Reversing Diabetes and Other Chronic Illnesses,” a vegan cookbook.

Adams claims that changing New Yorkers’ eating habits will have both climate and health benefits. He said:

“We already know that a plant-powered diet is better for your physical and mental health, and I am living proof of that. But the reality is that thanks to this new inventory, we’re finding out it is better for the planet.”

But agricultural economists and regenerative farmers say that calculation isn’t actually that simple.

“Different meats have different kinds of greenhouse gas footprints” because of differences in the production systems and “all land is not created equal” Melissa McKendree, Ph.D., an agricultural economist at Michigan State University, told The Defender.

Land that is suitable for cattle production, such as rangeland and pasture, often isn’t suitable for other types of agriculture, and vice versa. And all of those different ecosystems for different plants and animals, when working well, work together to create a healthy ecosystem.

Alternative grazing systems, like the regenerative agricultural systems that McKendree researches, make it possible for pasture-raised beef “to sequester carbon, and to become a carbon sink” — actually reducing the greenhouse gas footprint of food production rather than adding to it.

Regenerative livestock farmer Will Harris told The Defender, “As a practitioner who has been regenerating depleted land for 30+ years I can tell you that regenerating land is about restarting the cycles of nature that have been broken by industrial farming — and restarting those cycles cannot be done cost effectively without animal impact.”

He continued:

“All ecosystems evolved with certain kinds of animal impact and to say we’ve misused technologies to break these cycles of nature and we are going to start them back by leaving out this essential ingredient that has been around for millennia is wrong.

“Sadly there is a percentage of the populace that for whatever reason has decided that animals in the ecosystem are bad and the way to have a healthier planet is to give up that animal impact.

“Many of us have proven that there is benefit, ecological benefit to having animal impact in the equation. It has to be done right, but when it is done right there is an ecological benefit, an ecological service that we provide.

“But this sector of society is so committed to the vegetarian vegan solution, that it doesn’t matter what we demonstrate, they are going to paint us with that same brush.

“They drown out our voices by screaming the same misapplied science over and over and over.”

Organization behind 15-minute city is mapping consumption-based emissions for New York and London

The partnership between American Express, New York, London and C40 Cities to map urban emissions was formally launched last week in a C40 press release. The groups will map the consumption-based emissions of both New York and London.

The press release does not make the purpose of emissions mapping inventories explicit. It simply states the inventories “will enable London and New York City to develop a suite of actions to incentivise more sustainable consumption in collaboration with people and businesses.”

It adds that the project “will also pioneer new ways for other cities to measure emissions from urban consumption,” adding that there is an “urgent need to reduce the emissions impact of urban consumption, especially what is eaten and the waste in food systems.”

To that end, “Building data inventories in partnership with city businesses (such as supermarket chains and retailers) is important for cities to measure, plan and act to ensure our cities become better places to live for all people and sustainable business can thrive.”

The press release bases its claims on a report by the University of Leeds and developer Arup Group.

Arup is a Rockefeller-supported, World Economic Forum-affiliated organization that uses “fourth industrial revolution” technologies to transform cities. They promise that immense quantities of highly detailed data,” can produce a “new level of control” making possible “more efficient and sustainable use of the world’s precious materials.”

The report assesses consumption-based emissions in C40 cities across the world produced by food, clothing, transportation, building infrastructure and household appliances and calls for those emissions to be halved by 2030.

In the same press release, Adams announced that New York has signed on to the C40 Good Food Cities Accelerator, where signatory cities commit to achieving a “planetary healthy diet” by 2030, defined by more “plant-based foods,” less meat and dairy and less food waste overall.

C40 Cities Climate Leadership Group is also one of the forces driving the implementation of 15-minute city projects across the world.

The group comprises 96 mayors of cities from around the world, is funded by major corporations and philanthropic foundations and focuses on urban activism for climate change.

Then-Mayor of London Mayor Ken Livingstone founded C40 in 2005 when he convened mayors from 18 cities to agree to cap climate emissions. In 2006, C40 merged with the Clinton Climate Initiative. In July 2020, the group published a framework for cities to “build back better.”

Bloomberg Philanthropies is one of C40’s major funders. Former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg previously unsuccessfully tried to impose top-down changes on how New Yorkers consume by instituting a wide-scale ban on large sodas and other sugary drinks. The policy was struck down by a state Supreme Court judge.

Will ‘meat caps’ really lower emissions and improve health?

Mayor Adams’ announcement about the C40 Good Food Cities declaration suggests the city will be serving less meat in the future to meet its 2030 goals. Officials from his administration did not specify the targets or the standards that would be used, but did indicate there would be “caps on meat.”

Kate MacKenzie, executive director of the Mayor’s Office of Food Policy, explained that the standards they are developing “set maximums for the number of times that red meat can be served each week and really introduces the plant-based proteins and a floor for that.”

“So it’s really the caps on meat,” she said, adding that the city has been moving in this direction already.

New York already instituted “meatless Mondays” as a joint initiative by Adams and former Mayor Bill De Blasio in 2019. “Vegan Friday” began in public schools last year, where children are served food such as pre-packaged burritos that received reviews such as “nasty” and “sad” on the Brian Lehrer WNYC call-in show.

Meals in the city’s hospitals have been made vegetarian by default, although people can request meat if they prefer.

New York spends roughly $300 million buying food for schools, homeless shelters, hospitals and prisons each year. According to the NYC Food Policy Dashboard, the city spends only about 1% of its food budget on “ruminate meats.”

New York’s initiative is part of a broader move by global policymakers toward targeting the food system — and meat in particular — as a source of emissions. Proposals have ranged from an outright ban on meat consumption to various types of incentives to minimize meat consumption, encourage lab-grown or alternative meat production to putting extra taxes on meat or forcing animal farmers to stop producing, as in the case of the Dutch farmers.

Meat bans, McKendree said, are “the most extreme policy [for addressing environmental impacts of meat production]. Think about what we ban. We ban toxic chemicals like Agent Orange and things that we know have those environmental impacts.”

She continued:

“But when we think about making policies, we have to ask, what’s the issue of concern? And we want to try to target that exact issue. So if our concern is reducing greenhouse gas emissions, then put policies in place that directly reduce carbon or greenhouse gas emissions.

“But banning beef doesn’t have a direct carbon or greenhouse gas emissions effect, it creates a reduction in meat consumption.”

Instead, she said, policymakers could consider a wide range of other policies — from creating certified products, to subsidies, to taxes, to education through cooperative extension at universities like hers — that would support farmers to produce meat using regenerative practices.

“I think there’s other options and opportunities besides banning or capping meat products,” she said.

In its March 2023 report on U.S. biotechnology and biomanufacturing innovation, the White House emphasized a coming focus on climate-centric agriculture in the biotech industry.

The report followed a September 2022 “Executive Order on Advancing Biotechnology and Biomanufacturing Innovation for a Sustainable, Safe and Secure American Bioeconomy,” which paves the way for biotechnology to take over food production by opening the door to more lab-grown meats and bioengineered plant foods.

Specific plans in the March “Bold Goals” report include reducing methane emissions from agriculture by 30% by 2030, in part by reducing methane emissions from ruminant livestock.

As policymakers across the world crack down on meat production, the alternative to meat markets, lab-grown meat industry and insect protein markets are booming.

Many meat alternatives require energy-intensive production and are ultra-processed, so may have serious environmental and health impacts

Obesity, Type 2 diabetes, cardiovascular disease, cancer and depression are but a few examples of conditions known to be promoted and exacerbated by a processed food diet.

For example, a December 2022 study in Sweden found many plant-based meat alternatives have very high phytate levels — antinutrients that inhibit the absorption of minerals in the human body.

As a result, while the meat substitute may appear to contain many of the necessary nutrients, such as iron, the body cannot absorb them according to a report in NutritionInsight.

Harris said the processed foods that will likely replace the meat that they are taking out of the meals are “less healthy, less good for the environment, and less good for the local rural economy that is rebounding by raising food right. There’s a lot of losers in this.”

[Skybird]

Interesting that a credit card company is aboard, dont you think? War on cash money - without payment by credit card, a personalization of consumption data is not possible. But to introduce personalized co2 accounts is part of the medium term agenda. The state can then block your buying of more if it thinks you have had enough of something.



Boycott credit card payment. Pay cash. Boycott shops not accepting cash.

[Rockstar]

CBDC is the wave of the future. Ride the wave :up:

[Skybird]

What's CBDC?

[August]

Central Bank Digital Currency. Digital dollars.

[Skybird]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3tV_l-zTXA

[Skybird]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhE_fEDezTM

[Rockstar]

:har::har::har: Told you so. Right around the same time the earths magnetosphere started going wonky. Seems the bleeding heart Greta, wikipedia and Skeptical Science consensus fans were wrong again.

Next time leave emotions at the door and listen to the science. Real science never stagnates it advances, questions, it’s continually learning new things.

Welcome to reality.

https://journals.lww.com/health-physics/Fulltext/2022/02000/World_Atmospheric_CO2,_Its_14C_Specific_Activity,. 2.aspx

Abstract
After 1750 and the onset of the industrial revolution, the anthropogenic fossil component and the non-fossil component in the total atmospheric CO2 concentration, C(t), began to increase. Despite the lack of knowledge of these two components, claims that all or most of the increase in C(t) since 1800 has been due to the anthropogenic fossil component have continued since they began in 1960 with “Keeling Curve: Increase in CO2 from burning fossil fuel.” Data and plots of annual anthropogenic fossil CO2 emissions and concentrations, C(t), published by the Energy Information Administration, are expanded in this paper. Additions include annual mean values in 1750 through 2018 of the 14C specific activity, concentrations of the two components, and their changes from values in 1750. The specific activity of 14C in the atmosphere gets reduced by a dilution effect when fossil CO2, which is devoid of 14C, enters the atmosphere. We have used the results of this effect to quantify the two components. All results covering the period from 1750 through 2018 are listed in a table and plotted in figures. These results negate claims that the increase in C(t) since 1800 has been dominated by the increase of the anthropogenic fossil component. We determined that in 2018, atmospheric anthropogenic fossil CO2 represented 23% of the total emissions since 1750 with the remaining 77% in the exchange reservoirs. Our results show that the percentage of the total CO2 due to the use of fossil fuels from 1750 to 2018 increased from 0% in 1750 to 12% in 2018, much too low to be the cause of global warming….



The assumption that the increase in CO2 since 1800 is dominated by or equal to the increase in the anthropogenic component is not settled science. Unsupported conclusions of the dominance of the anthropogenic fossil component of CO2 and concerns of its effect on climate change and global warming have severe potential societal implications that press the need for very costly remedial actions that may be misdirected, presently unnecessary, and ineffective in curbing global warming.

[Rockstar]

Ireland Looking To Kill 200,000 Cows To Fight Climate Change; Are US Herds Next?

In the latest effort to reduce emissions from agriculture, Ireland said it may kill 200,000 cows. Meanwhile, climate activists have American farms and ranches in the crosshairs.

Kevin Killough
June 02, 2023
5 min read


https://cowboystatedaily.com/2023/06/02/to-fight-climate-change-ireland-may-slaughter-200-000-cows-are-us-herds-next/

Climate activists are coming for livestock producers and farmers.

European governments have been targeting the agriculture industry for several years. The Telegraph reports that Ireland’s government may need to reduce that country’s cattle herds by 200,000 cows over the next three years to meet climate targets.

In an effort to reduce nitrogen pollution, Reuters reported the European Union last month approved a $1.6 billion Dutch plan to buy out livestock farmers.

Front And Center

Now the Biden administration is targeting American agriculture. Special President Envoy For Climate John Kerry recently warned at a climate summit for the U.S. Department of Agriculture that the human race’s need to produce food to survive creates 33% of the world’s total greenhouse gasses.

“We can’t get to net-zero. We don’t get this job done unless agriculture is front and center as part of the solution,” Kerry said.

Microsoft Billionaire Bill Gates also is obsessing about cattle emissions, providing financial support to companies that are developing seaweed supplements and gas masks for cows.

It’s ‘Groupthink’

Katy Atkinson, an agricultural advocate who raises cattle in Albany County, told Cowboy State Daily that this conversation on emissions from the industry isn’t considering the beneficial impacts of cattle to the environment and the climate.

“Groupthink happens a lot around the climate change conversation. We get tunnel visioned on one piece of it without considering the full ramifications of what's going to happen if we remove cattle from the land,” Atkinson said.

She said cattle contribute to drought resistance, soil health and wildfire reduction. Just before cattle were introduced to North America and the industry began raising them, Atkinson said there were thousands of buffalo roaming the plains.
Cows and buffalo are both ruminants, which is a type of animal that brings back food from its stomach and chews it again. These animals’ digestive systems produce methane emissions. Today’s cattle population is similar in numbers to that of the buffalo herds.

“So, the methane emissions from ruminant animals aren’t anything new,” Atkinson said.

Trapping Carbon

Cattle also benefit plant life, Atkinson said.
“You need ruminant animals to forage grasses, because they’re the only things that can,” she explained.

Pigs, for example, are mono gastric and can’t break down high fiber content in grasses. Cow’s digestive system can break the grasses down, and then they fertilize the ground.

So, through proper cattle grazing management, Atkinson said the cattle she’s raising are helping plants to grow.

In the atmosphere, the methane they burp out — most of it is released through the mouth of the animal — breaks down in 10 to 15 years into carbon dioxide and water. The plants that cattle help to grow use that carbon dioxide. The carbon then gets put back into the soil through the grasses’ roots.

“So the cattle are essential in helping to keep that carbon trapped in the ground,” Atkinson said.

Atkinson said cattle have other benefits to the climate that are being ignored in the focus on just their emissions. Whenever soil cracks or fissures, it releases carbon into the air.

The animals walking upon the soil compacts it and helps keep the carbon trapped in the soil.

She said one study done by the University of Florida found that between 10% and 30% of the world’s carbon storage is found under the feet of U.S. cattle.

Increasing Food Insecurity

Brett Moline, spokesperson for the Wyoming Farm Bureau, told Cowboy State Daily that the regulations that would likely flow from ideas like Kerry’s would only make farming and ranching more expensive.

Ultimately, those expenses would get passed down to the consumer.
“It’s going to make food expensive, and we still have a large part of the population that is food-insecure,” Moline said.

Of course, people aren’t going to stop eating. If farms in North America and Europe shut down, food production will move to countries with lax environmental regulations. The end result, Moline said, is less environmentally friendly farming producing the world’s food supply.

As far as the climate impacts, Moline said those are getting blown out of proportion where everything is blamed on climate change, such as the drought in the past couple years.

“Two years ago, it was drier than my jokes,” he said. “Now we’re getting wet again. Climate ebbs and flows.”

Other Benefits

Atkinson said that one in eight people in the U.S. is considered food insecure, which means they don’t have a sufficient source of nutrition.
By removing cattle, Atkinson said, they’re just furthering that problem by eliminating a valuable protein source from the American diet.
There also are a lot of food byproducts that cows consume as feed. This includes the leftover pulp from orange juice production, the hulls from almonds, and the peels of potatoes from making french fries.
“All that would just end up in a landfill,” Atkinson said.
Cattle are also not just a source of food. Products including some laundry detergents, nail polish remover, soaps, lotions, footballs, and pharmaceuticals are made from animal byproducts.
“It would be a pretty significant undertaking to replace all of the things that we get from them,” Atkinson said.

Contact Kevin Killough at Kevin@CowboyStateDaily.com

[em2nought]

[B] Ireland Looking To Kill 200,000 Cows To Fight Climate Change; Are US Herds Next?
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I guess this is where those estimated huge Western Civilization population declines come from.

Hope their potato crop doesn't fail.

Personally, I think they could jam some kind of collection bag into a cow and they'd look a bit like Samurai riding around with their Horo billowing behind them. :D

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DvY48z8W0AEKV-o?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Rockstar]

https://i.postimg.cc/htyJ695z/IMG-1571.jpg

[Skybird]

"Save Italy or the climate?

Parts of Italy first suffered from drought, then the north was hit by a flood disaster. And in all cases - if you believe most of the German media - climate change is responsible. But perhaps we should first take a look at the recent past.

The year 2017 was also very dry in Emilia Romagna, with the Po River not even filling half of its bed. I asked the host of our agriturismo, located about 10 km from the Po, how he was coping with the drought. Our host just laughed, and explained that was no problem: he only needed to drill a good meter deep and already reached the groundwater.

Large areas of the Po Delta lie below sea level. The first attempts to cultivate the marshy plains were made by Duke Alfonso II De'Este, Duke of Ferrara, starting in 1580. It was not until the 1970s, with the help of steam-powered pumps, that large areas of the Po Valley were drained and made habitable and cultivable. Rice cultivation in the upper Po Valley in particular depends on fine control of drainage and irrigation.

In order to maintain a permanent balance between drying out and drying up in this hydrogeologically difficult terrain, the so-called Consorzii di bonificazione were formed, institutions under public law, financed by levies. These are responsible for the perpetual task of maintaining and developing dams, ditches, retention basins and pumping stations. These public institutions have had their work cut out for them in recent years: Wildlife and nature conservation considerations have been pushed to the forefront, bringing the maintenance work of the consorzii to a virtual standstill.

The mayor of Ravenna, Michele de Pascale, said that in recent years nonsensical priorities have been set. For example, priority had been given to protecting the nutrias that dig holes in the dikes. And one had largely renounced the cutting back of the vegetation. The relevant administrative regulations, the mayor said, "...protect the trees and the nutrias more than the people."

De Pascale demands more power and new means to be able to do again what is necessary in terms of bonificazione.

One precautionary measure taken by the municipality of Ravenna concerned e-vehicles. After a wet e-car caught fire, the municipality ordered that e-car owners cannot use their cars for 15 days, for the sake of public safety. The cars must be parked outside, at least 5 meters away from other vehicles or buildings.

Is there a political person responsible for the flood disaster? "Piove - governo ladro / it's raining, gang of thieves government" is a saying that caricatures the Italian tendency to blame the government for every evil. The government in Rome has only been in office for eight months, so attributing responsibility will be difficult. Although there are hardcore leftists like Roberto Saviano, the former mafia hunter, who are also trying to do that, indicting the government for not stopping climate change so far.

Emilia Romagna, however, like Tuscany, has been firmly in the hands of the left since the end of the war, formerly the PCI, now the Partito Democratico. The old left used to have a reputation for clean administration. The new left in Italy is also woke and ecosocialist. More important than maintaining the complex irrigation and drainage systems of the Po Valley, and more important than the projected but so far only partially realized construction of new retention basins, is the fight against climate change. And in Italy, that means above all installing photovoltaic systems. If climate change is also to blame for the last devastating flood, these plants must consequently be the best protection against further flooding.

Massimiliano Fazzini, the geologist responsible for climate risks at the Italian Society for Environmental Geology, explains in an interview that the political pressure for climate protection in the regional government of Emilia Romagna was so massive that nothing has been done in terms of infrastructure in the last ten years. Fazzini: "You can't say no to everything, otherwise we'll be ruined in 10 years." "
https://www.achgut.com/artikel/italien_retten_oder_das_klima

[mapuc]

Something has to be blamed, when our environment goes berserk and what wouldn't be better than give Climate change the blame.

Markus

[Rockstar]

https://youtu.be/6-Ep5XNQSu4

[Skybird]

In this country, too. In eastern Germany it is drier, there are more and more long-lasting fires in the spruce monoculture farms (I don't want to call these areas forest), in eastern Germany it is drier and hotter than in the other parts of the country. Greens, however, always enforce to leave dead wood lying, because this is "natural" and forms a primeval forest. They also rely on experiences in Bavaria, where the bark beetle led to a huge forest dieback in the 80s, but the forest was left to regenerate on its own, which it did, and now a more species-rich forest exists on these areas than before. A complete success.


But at that time it was not so hot and not so dry, the danger of forest fires was much lower.


Today, the same recipe is a manual for literally provoking fires and helping them spread faster.


My poor squirrels. The fir and especially the spruce forests are doomed to extinction in Germany, which is a catastrophe for the European red squirrel, because cones are an indispensable part of its food supply. Newly planeted firs and cone-producing trees need 40, 60, 80 years before they are so big that the build cones. As the forests in Germany are replaced, the red squirrel in its natural habitat and outside urban areas will disappear from Germany in the next decades, from most if not all of Central Europe. The population will retreat further and further to the northeast, at least according to current climate data. The populations will only remain in the cities - and then only if humans help. That's why I maintain a large feeding station in our neighborhood, and it's not cheap, it costs me several hundred euros a year.
:cry:

[em2nought]

So I cancelled a magazine subscription today because they went digital. The operator told me they did it to save the trees. So "green" is save the trees, but kill the cows and my potty reading material?
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/ireland-slaughter-the-cows-save-the-world/#:~:text=There've%20been%20a%20lot,country%20meet% 20its%20climate%20targets.&text=Now%2C%20it%20is%2 0just%20one,it%20isn't%20being%20pursued.

Somebody out there is predicting drastic drops in western civilization populations and I think it's because we're going to bring famine upon ourselves with our stupid new "ideals"

[Catfish]

^ you should ask the operator if he has any idea about what those f'n servers cost and what imprint on the environment those have, running day and night so Mr or Mrs Smith can buy their next cookie decoration online 24/7 :doh:

[Skybird]

When a company says it does this or that for environmental or climate concerns, it lies almost every single time. Or better: it sweats out oily mucus to cover others with slime and have them sliding towards a business deal.


They claim to be oh so authentic, but authenticity is the last thing I associate them with. To me they are just slimey glibbery goblins.

[ChristopherTarana]

It's very simple so simple, Albert Gore should have figured it out before his book! :arrgh!: The sun is getting older! The sun is getting bigger! The sun is getting hotter!


Christopher Tarana

[Rockstar]

Believe it or not it sure beats anything Wikipedia and Greta has to say.


Drift of Earth's Pole Confirms Groundwater Depletion as a Significant Contributor to Global Sea Level Rise 1993–2010

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2023GL103509

Abstract
Climate model estimates show significant groundwater depletion during the 20th century, consistent with global mean sea level (GMSL) budget analysis. However, prior to the Argo float era, in the early 2000’s, there is little information about steric sea level contributions to GMSL, making the role of groundwater depletion in this period less certain. We show that a useful constraint is found in observed polar motion (PM). In the period 1993–2010, we find that predicted PM excitation trends estimated from various sources of surface mass loads and the estimated glacial isostatic adjustment agree very well with the observed. Among many contributors to the PM excitation trend, groundwater storage changes are estimated to be the second largest (4.36 cm/yr) toward 64.16°E. Neglecting groundwater effects, the predicted trend differs significantly from the observed. PM observations may also provide a tool for studying historical continental scale water storage variations.

Key Points
Earth's pole has drifted toward 64.16°E at a speed of 4.36 cm/yr during 1993–2010 due to groundwater depletion and resulting sea level rise

Including groundwater depletion effects, the estimated drift of Earth's rotational pole agrees remarkably well with observations

Plain Language Summary
Melting of polar ice sheets and mountain glaciers has been understood as a main cause of sea level rise associated with contemporary climate warming. It has been proposed that an important anthropogenic contribution is sea level rise due to groundwater depletion resulting from irrigation. A climate model estimate for the period 1993–2010 gives total groundwater depletion of 2,150 GTon, equivalent to global sea level rise of 6.24 mm. However, direct observational evidence supporting this estimate has been lacking. In this study, we show that the model estimate of water redistribution from aquifers to the oceans would result in a drift of Earth's rotational pole, about 78.48 cm toward 64.16°E. In combination with other well-understood sources of water redistribution, such as melting of polar ice sheets and mountain glaciers, good agreement with PM observations serves as an independent confirmation of the groundwater depletion model estimate.

[Rockstar]

https://i0.wp.com/politicallyincorrecthumor.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/climate-change-4.5-billion-year-existential-threat-only-a-tax-can-fix.jpg

https://i0.wp.com/politicallyincorrecthumor.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/quote-george-crenshaw-when-science-enters-realm-of-politician-manipulated-for-an-agenda.jpg

make up a problem, use slave labor to make money


Hidden bloodshed and misery because of a hoax


https://youtu.be/0viUxUS21Oc

[Catfish]

make up a problem, use slave labor to make money
Hidden bloodshed and misery because of a hoax
https://youtu.be/0viUxUS21Oc
^ this is really a good reminder of what "the west" builds it economy on :hmmm:

[Rockstar]

^ this is really a good reminder of what "the west" builds it economy on :hmmm:

Yep. In the quest to “save the planet” they are killing it, polluting it, the people, their food sources and livelihood.

https://youtu.be/ipOeH7GW0M8

https://youtu.be/CIWvk3gJ_7E

[Rockstar]

We gotta save the planet! :har:

Mining drives extensive deforestation in the Brazilian Amazon

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-017-00557-w

Mining poses significant and potentially underestimated risks to tropical forests worldwide. In Brazil’s Amazon, mining drives deforestation far beyond operational lease boundaries, yet the full extent of these impacts is unknown and thus neglected in environmental licensing. Here we quantify mining-induced deforestation and investigate the aspects of mining operations, which most likely contribute. We find mining significantly increased Amazon forest loss up to 70 km beyond mining lease boundaries, causing 11,670 km2 of deforestation between 2005 and 2015. This extent represents 9% of all Amazon forest loss during this time and 12 times more deforestation than occurred within mining leases alone. Pathways leading to such impacts include mining infrastructure establishment, urban expansion to support a growing workforce, and development of mineral commodity supply chains. Mining-induced deforestation is not unique to Brazil; to mitigate adverse impacts of mining and conserve tropical forests globally, environmental assessments and licensing must considered both on- and off-lease sources of deforestation.




https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/04/22/brazil-lula-amazon-climate-environment-mining-minerals-energy-transition-electric-cars-ev-batteris-metals-rare-earths/

That this scramble for resources is centered on the Amazon lays bare an uncomfortable truth: Climate policy and environmental protection are not the same thing, and as the energy transition gathers pace, that trade-off is becoming increasingly evident. Indonesian rainforests have been cleared for palm oil plantations producing biofuels, and West African forests are felled for wood pellets to heat green homes in Europe. Open-pit mining is one of humanity’s most ruinous industries, razing everything in its path—while toxic runoff, tailings, and waste products can poison rivers and wreak havoc for miles.

[stix_09]

The greatest trick anti-climate change ppl ever pull is convincing the world it didn’t exist.

Don't think its a "if" question , more a how much question.

By time most humans work that out it will be too late.

But we will prob kill ourselves before that with technology abuse.

:hmmm:

[stix_09]

[QUOTE=Rockstar;2875965]Yep. In the quest to “save the planet” they are killing it, polluting it, the people, their food sources and livelihood.

No thats just called greed, nothing to do with "save the planet", in this action just $, why would you make that naive assumption....

[Aktungbby]

stix_09!:Kaleun_Salute:

[Rockstar]

One nuclear power plant could have save 15.9 million trees and would have provided consistent, affordable power for decades.

Instead they opted for expensive, high maintenance, weather reliant toys. Saving the planet 1 tree at a time.

SNP admits to felling 16 million trees to develop wind farms
Scottish Tory MSP Liam Kerr said figure would astonish the public and communities all over the country had cited concerns about the projects

By
Simon Johnson, SCOTTISH POLITICAL EDITOR
19 July 2023 • 6:02pm

https://archive.ph/H3eEA

Almost 16 million trees have been chopped down on publicly owned land in Scotland to make way for wind farms, an SNP minister had admitted amid a major drive to erect more turbines.

Mairi Gougeon, the Rural Affairs Secretary, estimated that 15.7 million trees had been felled since 2000 in land that is currently managed by agency Forestry and Land Scotland (FLS) - the equivalent of more than 1,700 per day.
She insisted there was a planning presumption in favour of protecting woodland and wind farm developers would be expected to undertake “compensatory planting elsewhere”.

But Liam Kerr, a Scottish Tory MSP, said the public would be “astonished” at the total and cited concerns about the developments that had been raised with him “by communities all over the country.”

Scotland already has turbines theoretically capable of generating 8.4GW of power, well over half the UK’s total, but SNP ministers want to add a further 8-12GW.

Protections for unspoiled wild land watered down
Their latest planning framework relaxes controls on building more turbines, with protections for unspoiled wild land watered down.

The John Muir Trust, a conservation charity, has warned the new threshold for allowing wind farm companies to build turbines on wild land is so low that it appears impossible for them not to meet it.

The SNP wind power target also includes replacing existing turbines that may be coming to the end of their working life with even taller and larger versions, a process called “repowering”.

It emerged earlier this year that some developers want to erect turbines up to 850 feet tall, the equivalent of more than 60 double decker buses.
In a letter to Mr Kerr, dated July 13, Ms Gougeon said the equivalent of around 7,858 hectares of trees had been chopped down to make way for wind farms since 2000.
With an average of 2,000 trees per hectare, she said: “This gives an estimated total of 15.7 million trees which have been felled in order to facilitate windfarm development.”

The minister added: “Removal should only be permitted where it would achieve significant and clearly defined additional public benefits.
‘Developers must provide compensatory planting’
“Where woodland is removed in association with development, developers will generally be expected to provide compensatory planting in order to avoid a net loss of woodland.”

She said many of the felled trees will have been “replanted on site” or replaced elsewhere, and the vast majority were part of a commercial crop that would have been chopped down anyway “at the end of their rotation”.
But Mr Kerr, a North East MSP, said: “Most people will be astonished to see the number of trees cut down to make way for wind farms.

“I’ve been contacted many times by rural communities all over the country questioning the location of these developments, sharing legitimate concerns not just about the visual impact but also damage to wildlife and business. Now we learn there’s significant damage when it comes to trees.”
He said ministers “must be alive” to the “significant costs” that could be incurred with the siting of wind farms.

FLS said it had planted more than 500 million trees since 2000 and the quantity felled for wind farms equated roughly to its annual harvesting programme.
A spokesman said: “Renewable energy generated from wind farms is a key element in Scotland’s response to the climate emergency and the shift towards net zero and the infrastructure on land that we manage generates enough power for 600,000 homes.”

Morag Watson, director of policy at trade body Scottish Renewables said: “The volatile price of imported gas has left energy consumers suffering some of the highest prices in living memory, alongside a climate emergency which means cutting the amount of carbon we emit as quickly as possible.

“Building new wind farms - the cheapest form of power generation - tackles both problems at once.”

[em2nought]

One nuclear power plant could have save 15.9 million trees and would have provided consistent, affordable power for decades.

Instead they opted for expensive, high maintenance, weather reliant toys. Saving the planet 1 tree at a time.

[B] SNP admits to felling 16 million trees to develop wind farms
Scottish Tory MSP Liam Kerr said figure would astonish the public and communities all over the country had cited concerns about the projects



Oh man! :/\\!! I'm afraid all the sheeple fleeing their self created socialist utopias in the northern states of the USA are going to really double down on their climate change agenda when they experience their first summers in the south. :hmmm:

[Reece]

Nuclear and Hydro are a plus for me!! :up:

[Jimbuna]

Tis the SNP....says it all.

[em2nought]

It just occurred to me that the reason so many are so invested in a climate change agenda is that they have abandoned traditional religion. Climate change is now their religion. :hmmm:

[Rockstar]

https://i.postimg.cc/rsshnRrc/IMG-2022.jpg

[Rockstar]

https://i.postimg.cc/L8b9cztx/IMG-2030.jpg

[Jeff-Groves]

All the heavy equipment dumps bad stuff into the air.
And I heard from the Vice Presidente the goal is to reduce population.
So what's the problem?
:03:

[Rockstar]

Let’ ‘em die. Like everyone else I am more than willing to trade their lives and legacy for my electric cars, computers, cellphones, convenience and comfort. Because I’m saving the planet!

Saving the planet is like the ‘war’ on poverty or drugs but with a more positive spin to it.:har:

[Rockstar]

https://i.postimg.cc/mDqPH4xR/IMG-1951.jpg

[fred8615]

https://i.postimg.cc/mDqPH4xR/IMG-1951.jpg

:sign_yeah:

[Torvald Von Mansee]

So, it would seem the the last few posts from Certain People have just been strawmen.


Shocking.

[em2nought]

You'll never convince me that a problem can be solved by giving our typical politicians huge sums of "our" money, and then putting those same people in charge of solving the problem.

There are things we could do to minimize the damage we do (and not all the damage is caused by man) but "those" people aren't going to come up with working solutions. Examples of the most likely solutions they'll come up with is chopping all the trees down to put up solar panels that get wiped out by hail, killing all the cows so we end up eating bugs, or reducing the number of us(which they just took a practice run at, wet market my @ss).

[em2nought]

Their hubris makes them misjudge what a tenuous foothold humans have on this planet. https://www.thelocal.de/20190613/how-a-giant-volcano-led-to-the-creation-of-germanys-first-bike

https://www.theparisreview.org/blog/2016/10/25/year-without-summer/

All it might take is one volcano erupting to threaten our food supply.

We don't even have memory of our species beyond 3000 years or so.

[tonschk]

And I heard from the Vice Presidente the goal is to reduce population.
So what's the problem?
:03:

Exactly :yeah::up: And I think billgates is doing his duty pushing for population reduction with V-A-X-X-I-N-E-S

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeHLNthYTSI
https://www.hostpic.org/images/2307251358170089.png (https://www.hostpic.org/view.php?filename=2307251358170089.png)

[Rockstar]

Exactly :yeah::up: And I think billgates is doing his duty pushing for population reduction with V-A-X-X-I-N-E-SL]

If you read the NSSM 200 https://pdf.usaid.gov/pdf_docs/PCAAB500.pdf it is thought better healthcare could help reduce population growth. According to that study the biggest problem is in poorer countries where there are higher infant mortality rates and shorter life spans. People in those countries tend to have a great many more children to compensate. If better healthcare which includes vaccinations can be provided people would likely live healthy longer lives and have no need to produce as many children.

[Jeff-Groves]

People in those countries tend to have a great many more children to compensate.
Give the LGBTQ+ time and that won't be a problem anymore.

[Rockstar]

Give the LGBTQ+ time and that won't be a problem anymore.


I’d wager big money that if populations ever declined far enough LGBTQPAZ+%£”^# etc. etc. would all be punishable offenses again. Look at Russia, their population is tanking and can’t afford to be tolerant.

[Skybird]

No comment.


https://www.achgut.com/images/archiv/_900w/1659509716555blob.jpg

[mapuc]

Was it a forecast or did the entire Germany have these temp ?

Markus

[Rockstar]

Saving the planet!

https://youtu.be/vu230rTJCIw

https://youtu.be/P9FIqdber-E

[Skybird]

Was it a forecast or did the entire Germany have these temp ?

Markus
Heck, that was 10 years before I was born... I should exist as charcoal only...

[Jeff-Groves]

Was it a forecast or did the entire Germany have these temp ?

Markus

Pretty sure temperatures were higher in some cities back in the mid 40's
Dresden is one example.

[Jimbuna]

Heck, that was 10 years before I was born... I should exist as charcoal only...

Pretty sure temperatures were higher in some cities back in the mid 40's
Dresden is one example.

:haha:

[Otto Harkaman]

Biden’s fossil fuel hypocrisy is betraying the planet
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2023/7/30/bidens-fossil-fuel-hypocrisy-is-betraying-the-planet


President Biden’s approach to the climate crisis is nothing short of hypocritical. While the president’s rhetoric aligns with global climate promises, his administration has approved massive fossil fuel projects.

This year alone, Biden approved the Willow oil project in Alaska (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/3/14/controversial-alaska-oil-drilling-heres-what-you-need-to-know) and multiple LNG export facilities, and his administration put its support (https://priceofoil.org/2023/06/28/in-response-to-ferc-authorizing-construction-for-the-mountain-valley-pipeline/)behind the Mountain Valley fracked gas pipeline, skipping important permitting processes meant to protect people and the environment, betraying communities and his voters.

In May, the Biden administration approved almost $100m (https://priceofoil.org/2023/05/12/biden-breaks-major-g7-climate-promise-by-financing-indonesian-oil-refinery/) in export finance for expanding an Indonesian oil refinery, neglecting the agreed end of 2022 deadline for ending such support. Just a month ago, the US development finance corporation (DFC) pledged half a billion dollars to support LNG imports in Poland and gas infrastructure in South Africa. Most recently in July, the Export-Import Bank of the United States (EXIM) – the official export credit agency of the US – insured $400m (https://priceofoil.org/2023/07/18/biden-breaks-climate-pledge-again-with-new-exim-approval-for-transfigura-lng-exports/) in revolving credit facilities for global commodities trader Trafigura, allowing them to purchase liquefied natural gas (LNG) from US exporters to sell primarily to European buyers. And more is on the docket – the United States is currently considering export finance for a controversial LNG project (https://www.exim.gov/news/ex-im-bank-financing-for-papua-new-guinea-lng-project-generate-significant-revenue-for-island) in Papua New Guinea.

[em2nought]

Pretty sure temperatures were higher in some cities back in the mid 40's
Dresden is one example.

Ouch! :o

[Rockstar]

An oldie but a goodie. Don’t ask who the scientists were that said this, don’t ask how they came to the conclusions they did. Just don’t ask questions PERIOD. Just BELIEVE skeptical science and the consensus. :har:

https://youtu.be/UdOKE_DxLpQ

https://i.postimg.cc/s2CyQGRq/IMG-1656.jpg

[Rockstar]

Seems we’re all not gonna die after all. Just the poor third world dwellers digging up the goblin ore to support my habit, comfort and convenience will kill the less fortunate slaves.

Don't overstate 1.5 degrees C threat, new IPCC head says

Jim Skea, the new head of the UN's IPCC climate panel, said it was not helpful to imply that temperature increases of 1.5 degrees Celsius posed an existential threat to humanity.

https://www.dw.com/en/dont-overstate-15-degrees-c-threat-new-ipcc-head-says/a-66386523?maca=en-Twitter-sharing

The newly appointed head of the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), Jim Skea, spoke to two major German news outlets over the weekend, soon after his appointment to the role.

Speaking to weekly magazine Der Spiegel, in an interview first published on Saturday, Skea warned against laying too much value on the international community's current nominal target of limiting global warming to 1.5 degrees Celsius compared the pre-industrial era.

"We should not despair and fall into a state of shock" if global temperatures were to increase by this amount, he said.

In a separate discussion with German news agency DPA, Skea expanded on why.

"If you constantly communicate the message that we are all doomed to extinction, then that paralyzes people and prevents them from taking the necessary steps to get a grip on climate change," he said.

"The world won't end if it warms by more than 1.5 degrees," Skea told Der Spiegel. "It will however be a more dangerous world."

Surpassing that mark would lead to many problems and social tensions, he said, but still that would not constitute an existential threat to humanity.

The international community's stated target is currently to limit global warming to the 1.5 degrees Celsius target, even though UN estimates suggest that the current commitments made by countries are actually likely to fall far short of their nominal goal.

The UN estimates that within roughly a decade, the target is liable to be breached.

What else did Skea say?

James "Jim" Skea is a physics graduate born in Dundee in Scotland who did his doctoral thesis in energy research and has worked at Imperial College London since 2009.

The 69-year-old, who has been involved with the IPCC since its foundation in the 1990s, was named its new chairman on Wednesday.

He told Der Spiegel that there remained good reasons to be optimistic in the battle against climate change.

"Every measure we take to weaken climate change helps," he said, adding that measures were also becoming "ever more cost-effective."

Skea said that one short-term focus should remain expanding renewable electricity to reduce emissions from fossil fuel electricity generation and from internal combustion engine vehicles.

"Longer term, we probably will not be able to do without technological solutions like the underground capture of CO2," he said, referring to the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide.

[B]Individual abstinence is good, but new infrastructure required[/B[

Skea predicted that one difficult area might prove to be changing people's lifestyles. He said that no scientist could tell people how to live or what to eat.

"Individual abstinence is good, but it alone will not bring about the change to the extent it will be necessary," Skea said. "If we are to live more climate consciously, we need entirely new infrastructure. People will not get on bikes if there are no cycle paths."

Skea said he also wanted to adapt the IPCC so that it could provide better and more targeted advice to specific groups of people on how they could act to combat climate change.

He named groups like town planners, landowners and businesses: "With all these things it's about real people and their real lives, not scientific abstractions. We need to come down a level," he told DPA.

He said he also hoped to make progress during his tenure on how and where money was sent and spent to tackle the problem globally.

"There's enough money in the world, the challenge is getting it to flow to the right places," he said.

msh/sri (AFP, dpa)



Ya but whatabout the consensus!? . Lol guiliable idiots. :har::har:

[mapuc]

Denmark is about to break an 92 year old record for July

This July 2023 will be the wettest month since 1931.

It has been raining almost everyday throughout July and the temp. hasn't been higher than 21-22 degrees C.
Right now it's 23.30 and the temp. is 17 C and it is pouring down.

Markus

[em2nought]

This guy probably did more for "mother earth" than the entire US government ever will. :03: The forest he created is larger than Central Park.

https://interestingengineering.com/science/jadav-payeng-the-man-who-planted-an-entire-forest-by-himself

https://images.interestingengineering.com/images/SEPTEMBER/Jadav_and_the_Tree_Place.jpg

[Rockstar]

What do the skeptical science consensus kool-aid drinkers think?


The North Atlantic jet stream is streaking along at 168-knots, which is nearly unprecedented for early August. While climate change makes the jet stream more wavy or "drunk" as reported several times over the past months, this is totally the opposite and inconsistent.

https://i.postimg.cc/d3SqwHrZ/IMG-2145.jpg

North American and Greenland snow extent was higher than usual, inconsistent with the hypothesis that warming causes low spring snow extent which destabilizes the summer jetstream, causing chaotic summer weather. A completely different mechanism destabilized the jetstream in spring (not the timeframe of the Cohen hypothesis a la Jeff Berardelli). The summer jetstream has stabilized, counter the hypothesis, again.

https://i.postimg.cc/RZGBcCgQ/IMG-2147.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/d1ZcP2w4/IMG-2146.jpg

[Catfish]

When it gets warmer there is more rain and more snow, remains to see how long the snow will last. When ocean waters heat up it will more influence the bigger ice masses, and we see this at the north pole and in Antarctica :hmmm:

[Skybird]

Just days ago they showed that ice loss in Greenland and the Arctic had hit an all time record. It was not the Truman show. By trend, its not better in the Antarctic.


That these things are happening cannot be doubted by any sane mind. What can - and must - be discussed is how best to adapt to these changes. Our current ideas are chaotic at best and aim to turn the clocks back. This is not ideal from an evolutionary point of view.

[Jimbuna]

Certainly not good for those who live on the land that will disappear under the higher water levels.

[Rockstar]

I’ve read that greendland ice was melting because the earth underneath was warmer, pretty sure I’ve posted that before.

Also in the news, not sure when NASA first said it but they have definitions I’ve never heard before.

GLOBAL WARMING: is attributed to CO2 in the atmosphere.
CLIMATE CHANGE: is attributed to natural occurring change.

The above weather phenomena is attributed to climate change.

I think it’s getting to the point now those in the AGW consensus science camp can’t hide behind the idea it’s all your fault anymore. :yep:

[August]

Certainly not good for those who live on the land that will disappear under the higher water levels.


Well even if true it's not like it would happen over a weekend. Those who presently live on that land will be long since dead before their tootsies could possibly get damp.

[Jeff-Groves]

Well even if true it's not like it would happen over a weekend. Those who presently live on that land will be long since dead before their tootsies could possibly get damp.

So your saying my investment in Beach Front property a Mile from the Ocean is pretty much worthless?
:o

[August]

So your saying my investment in Beach Front property a Mile from the Ocean is pretty much worthless?
:o




Well maybe if you live in Namibia but there is very little worthless property here in the US, and i'd bet there is none at all up in my corner of it.

[Rockstar]

https://youtu.be/I1zx5TPzGcg

[Skybird]

https://think--again-org.translate.goog/nobelpreistrager-unerwunscht/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp


The IMF in Washington DC, a financial organization of the United Nations, had arranged a Zoom lecture with one of the three 2022 physics laureates. Then, a few days before the July 25 date, they apparently took a look at his manuscript and unceremoniously disinvited him again. That's quite an unusual procedure. What was the reason?

John Clauser is at home in both theoretical and experimental physics. Such physicists are rare - Enrico Fermi was one, Einstein was not. His expertise is in "entangled particles." This phenomenon conforms to quantum mechanics, but possibly contradicts relativity. So one could not choose a more challenging topic
(...)
Clauser, however, has also dealt with a problem on this side: the climate. He has shown that in the frequently cited computer models, the warming influence of CO2 is given too much weight compared to the cooling influence of clouds. After all, they look so dazzlingly white from an airplane perspective because they reflect the sunlight and hardly let any of it through to the earth. So it's no wonder that we grab a warm jacket on the terrace when clouds come.

Clouds are made of water. The warmer it gets, the more moisture the air absorbs, especially over the oceans, which cover two-thirds of the earth. So the warmer it gets, the more clouds form and reflect solar radiation back into space. They act like a very powerful thermostat that more than compensates for the warming effect of CO2. Mother Earth has a parasol ready, so to speak, which she puts up in case it gets too warm.

According to Clauser's calculations, the warming effect of CO2 is exaggerated by a factor of 200 compared to the cooling clouds. This criticism of the computer models is more than justified, considering that all their predictions so far have been grotesquely wrong.

His verdict: "The common narrative on climate change reflects a dangerous corruption of science that threatens the global economy and the well-being of billions of people. Misguided climate science has metastasized in the form of pseudoscience and shock journalism."
(...)

[em2nought]

Wonder what happens if you drop a MOAB into a big active volcano? :hmmm:

[Rockstar]

Ulez: More than 300 cameras damaged or stolen in four months
Published

18 August

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-66535086

By Yasmin Rufo
BBC News

More than 300 cameras installed for London's Ultra Low Emission Zone (Ulez) were vandalised or stolen between April and mid-August, the BBC can reveal.
Over four months, the Met received 339 reports of camera cables being damaged, or cameras being stolen or obscured. The actual number of cameras affected is likely to be even higher as one report can represent multiple cameras.

Unofficial data mapping the location of disabled cameras suggests that almost 500 cameras could have been affected.

It also suggests that the vast majority have been in outer London where the zone is being expanded. Some 1,900 cameras have been installed in outer London so far. Despite so much damage being caused, one man has so far been charged by police.

Scotland Yard has now released an image of a man detectives are trying to trace in connection with four offences in Hillingdon, Harrow and Uxbridge on 17 June.
Cdr Owain Richards said the Met had "a team of officers investigating and identifying those responsible" and was working with TfL to "identify new ways to prevent further cameras from being damaged or stolen".

The force has not revealed the locations of any of the disabled cameras but a group of people calling themselves Julie's Ulez map, who are opposed to the Ulez expansion, worked to track the locations and damage caused to cameras.
The map shows there are 1,619 cameras outside the North and South circular roads with 461 of those reported as vandalised or stolen - equating to 28% of the Transport for London's (TfL) network cameras.

Kingsley Hamilton, who runs one of most popular anti-Ulez social media groups, told the BBC he could see why "if someone is in a desperate situation and has no way out" they may turn to vandalism. "I don't condone it but I won't explicitly say you can't do that. It would be wrong for me to say you're a bad person for doing that (vandalising cameras)," he added.

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/6374/production/_130806452_0d13d4b5-fcc2-4d8a-8184-53f6b8d9e63a.jpg
Black pins relate to stolen cameras and blue pins show damaged cameras


TfL is planning to install a total of 2,750 cameras before the expansion comes into force at the end of August. Speaking at Mayor's Question Time on 20 July, Sadiq Khan said transport bosses were confident "there will be the same number of cameras up on 29 August that they had originally planned" and that "there is no need for Plan Bs, Cs or anything else".

The BBC visited one area in south-east London where seven cameras had recently been damaged. Residents there had mixed views. Abbie Mires, who works in the area, said the "harsh action" of targeting Ulez cameras was justified. "It is criminal, but at the end of the day people are trying to prove a point and no one is listening. Old people who've been using their cars for years and years now have to stop driving because they can't afford it," she said.

Other residents like Sam Lockwood said damaging Ulez cameras was a "step too far".

"Maybe they think they are Robin Hood characters trying to help others and if they want to risk it that's fair enough. But I think there are better ways to fight the system," he said.

Husband and wife, Roy and Linda McKensie had to get rid of two cars ahead of the Ulez expansion, but said disabling cameras was "criminal activity whichever way you look at it" which they "don't agree with". Linda added: "I know things are awkward. I know things are frustrating. But if it all ends up getting lawless it's not going to work."

A spokesperson for TfL said: "Criminal damage to the cameras puts the perpetrators at risk of prosecution and life-changing injuries, while simultaneously risking the safety of the public."

When the BBC asked TfL and the mayor's office about the costs of vandalism it was told that "due to commercial and confidentiality reasons, it cannot share the unit cost of cameras, or for repair of cameras".

The only figure the BBC has seen was an estimate cost of the planned expansion from November 2022, which was about £159.5m based on assumptions at that time.

This includes spend for systems design, development and testing; on-street infrastructure design, procurement and delivery including camera installation and signage; marketing and media campaign; and legal and consultation costs.

[Catfish]

^ Good for them. Removing some more cameras will surely not hurt.

[Rockstar]

:har:

Climate watchdog head behind boiler ban still has gas heating in his home
Chris Stark said the cost of heat pumps is too high and that it is 'very difficult' to install them in existing flats like his

By
Edward Malnick,

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/08/12/heat-pumps-chris-stark-campaign-uses-gas-boiler-himself/?trk=public_post_comment-text

SUNDAY POLITICAL EDITOR and
Will Hazell,
POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT
12 August 2023 • 10:30pm

The head of the climate watchdog behind the planned boiler ban has admitted that he still has gas heating in his own home.

More than four years after claiming he was “keen” to convert to electric heating in his flat, Chris Stark, the chief executive of the Climate Change Committee, said he still has a gas boiler.

“I wish I didn’t,” added Mr Stark.

The Committee on Climate Change lobbied the Government to bring in a ban on the installation of gas boilers in new homes from 2025, with the sale of new gas boilers banned altogether from 2035 as a result of the committee’s recommendations.

The committee and Government hope that electric heat pumps can be installed instead in many homes.

Questioned by MPs about how the 2035 target could be met when heat pumps remain unaffordable for most people, Mr Stark admitted that he still had a gas boiler in his Glasgow flat.

He warned that the cost of heat pumps remained too high and said it was “very difficult” to install heat pumps in existing flats like his.

Appearing before the House of Commons environmental audit committee last month, Mr Stark said: “The capital cost of it is too high at the moment.

“It can be brought down, but that will not happen unless there is scale installation and scale production. That is one of the biggest barriers. There is not an installer community for heat pumps at the moment.”

He went on: “I have a gas boiler. I wish I didn’t, but I live in a flat and heat pumps are a very difficult thing to put in there.”

Mr Stark said his own boiler engineer was sceptical about the application of heat pumps.

“The gas boiler guy who comes round and fixes my gas boiler – it breaks very often – tells me they will never work,” he said.

“That is a problem – and he knows what I do. If we do not have an installer community out there selling the benefits of this, and if we do not have support for it to bring down the capital cost so that we see the benefits in their use – there are widespread benefits, there is a huge system benefit to using them as well – then it won’t work.”

Mr Stark also suggested that the Government should consider tax incentives to make running heat pumps more affordable.

“The one policy that would make this really sing is to have cheaper electricity,” he said.

“In the round, we should be moving to a world where we are producing all this very cheap low-carbon electricity, but the consumer is not yet seeing the benefit of that.

“You can put a penalty in place and you can remove that penalty with the tax system, so there are tools at the disposal of the Treasury to try to skew this move towards electrified heat, which will make heat pumps themselves much cheaper to use and run.”

In recent weeks, the Government has faced calls from some Conservative MPs to slow down aspects of the transition to net zero, including the 2025 boiler ban in new homes.




“Anyone who thinks renewable wind and solar energy will be cheap is dreaming.
Sunshine and breeze are indeed free, but vast amounts of subsidised infrastructure are not”

- Katherine Porter - The Times

[Rockstar]

As top UN official Melissa Fleming put it last September about climate, “We own the science, and we think that the world should know it.”

And all they need are a mob of left wing facist morons, alarmist fanboys nazis, cry babies and faithful propagandists to deliberately attempt to destroy the crown of the Enlightenment.

https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/doomed-planet/2023/08/how-science-is-done-these-days/?mc_cid=7f6b135e2e&mc_eid=01c0c9cead

How Science is Done These Days

22nd August 2023

There’s nothing new about mainstream climate scientists conspiring to bury papers that throw doubt on catastrophic global warming. The Climategate leaks showed co-compiler of the HadCRUT global temperature series Dr Phil Jones emailing Michael “Hockey Stick” Mann, July 8, 2004:

I can’t see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin [Trenberth, a colleague] and I will keep them out somehow — even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is!

Thanks to a science whistle-blower, there’s now documentation of a current exercise as bad as that captured in the Jones-Mann correspondence. This new and horrid saga – again involving Dr Mann – sets out to deplatform and destroy a peer-endorsed published paper by four Italian scientists. Their paper in European Physical Journal Plus is titled A critical assessment of extreme events trends in times of global warming and documents that extreme weather and related disasters are not generally increasing, contrary to the catastrophists feeding misinformation to the Guardian/ABC axis and other compliant media.

The witch-hunt has Australian elements. Last September, The Australian’s environment writer, Graham Lloyd, highlighted the paper (paywalled) and its conclusion that the “extreme events emergency” was overblown. Sky News Australia, which twice reported the study, picked up more than 400,000 views and thousands of comments.

The green-left Guardian countered with a hit-piece by in-house cataastrophist Graham Readfearn featuring professors Lisa Alexander and Steve Sherwood, both of NSW University. They alleged cherry-picking and misquoting. Their main specific complaint was that the Italians’ paper had drawn on the 2013 5th IPCC Report rather than the recent 6th Report. (The Italians say they submitted the paper before the 6th Report emerged).

The Guardian’s fuss caught the attention of Agence France-Presse’s (AFP) Marlowe Hood, who modestly styles himself “Senior Editor, Future of the Planet” and “Herald of the Anthropocene”. He penned his own diatribe for The Australian (paywalled but also here) against the Italians’ paper. Jumping the gun on any editorial inquiry, AFP branded the study “faulty” and “fundamentally flawed”, involving “discredited assertions” and “grossly manipulated data”. This abuse was normal since AFP and The Guardian are leaders of the Covering Climate Now (CCN) coalition of some 500 media outlets with reach to a 2 billion audience. These outlets signed the CCN pledge to hype catastrophism and rebut and censor any scepticism about our planet’s forecast fiery fate.

The whistle-blowers’ documents reveal how this media pile-on – as distinct from reasoned scientific complaint — led the journal’s owner, Springer, to demand “action”. Springer’s aim was to force the editor to publish at least an erratum and, preferably, retract it altogether, restoring climate right-think.

The publishers have now decided on the retraction and the axe will fall any day now. But the process was ratbaggery in place of the normal rigorous and honourable protocols. Meanwhile, unabashed Italian authors Alimonti and Mariani successfully published last week an updated version of their paper, also peer reviewed and in a different scientific journal.

Chapter and verse on the controversy is available at The Honest Broker blog of Dr Roger J. Pielke Jr., a world-leading expert in monetary loss trends from extreme events.

Noted climatologist Dr Judith Curry tweeted,

Reprehensible behavior by journal editors in retracting a widely read climate paper (80,000 downloads) over politically inconvenient conclusions. Journal editors asked me to adjudicate, and my findings were in favor of the author.

The controversy turns on how the IPCC 6th Report is interpreted, as it seems to place two bob each-way on trends in extremes. In all fairness, you can read a detailed argument here by an advocate for the paper’s retraction. But even Andy Revkin, a leading US journalist of warmist persuasion, has explained,

Despite headlines and spin, it’s still tough to disentangle global warming and natural variability in long-term heat wave patterns in the United States. That might seem surprising but was a clear conclusion of both the last U.S. National Climate Assessment and IPCC reports.

I’ll now background the Italian defendants in this politicised fracas. They enjoy prestigious reputations, but that doesn’t mean, of course, that they’re right.

♦ Professor Gianluca Alimonti, Milan University, and senior researcher, Italy’s National Institute of Nuclear Physics. Many of his papers involve work on the 7000-tonne ATLAS detector at CERN’s Large Hadron Collider. He lists 300+ publications and presentations.

♦ Renato Angelo Ricci, Padova University, Padua. He’s worked with Legnaro National Laboratories, one of the four major research centers of the Italian National Institute for Nuclear Physics(INFN).[1] He’s of such prestige that INFN dedicated to him its tenth annual Varenna Conference on nuclear reaction mechanisms.[1] The corrupted Wikipedia Italy dismisses him as a climate sceptic.

♦ Luigi Mariani, Milan University, also of INFN. He’s with the Lombard Museum of Agricultural History and has published 137 papers.

♦ Franco Prodi, National Academy of Science, Verona and Italian National Research Council – Institute of Atmospheric Sciences and Climate. 193 publications, 2300 citations: “Main fields of interest are physics of clouds and precipitation, hail and precipitation growth, aerosol physics, atmospheric radiation, severe storm studies and radar-meteorological investigations, satellite meteorology and nowcasting [very short term weather forecasting].”

The Guardian noted that three of the four Italians had signed a “no emergency” sceptic declaration last year, as if that disqualified them from proper research. The Guardian didn’t mention that the same declaration, with its 1600 signatories, was led by two Nobel Laureates in Physics, John Clauser (2022) and Ivar Giaever (1973).[2]

The comments of Michael “Hockeystick” Mann, of Pennsylvania University, about Alimonti and Ricci are illuminating. He described their journal article as

another example of scientists from totally unrelated fields coming in and naively applying inappropriate methods to data they don’t understand. Either the consensus of the world’s climate experts that climate change is causing a very clear increase in many types of weather extremes is wrong, or a couple of nuclear physics dudes in Italy are wrong.

Mann himself is a connoisseur of wrong (and self-evidently in need of remedial courtesy classes). His notorious 1999 Hockeystick paper purportedly proved unprecedented 20th century global heat. His 1000-year graph was used as a corporate logo by the IPCC in its 2001 Third Report[3], which subsequently downplayed it to near-invisibility in its Fourth Report six years later.

Mann had committed the scientific no-go of furtively patching measured global temperatures from 1961 to his proxy-reconstructed temperature graph derived from tree ring sampling.[4] This was done, in the Climategate words of Dr Phil Jones (Nov 16, 1999) to “hide the decline” of the 20th century proxy trend, which threatened to render Mann’s entire temperature reconstruction spurious.[5]

Australia’s top catastrophist is Macquarie University’s Distinguished Professor of Biology Lesley Hughes, whose specialty is entomology e.g. ant-tended butterfly ejaculations, though more recently she’s been publishing on Lethal consequences: climate change impacts on the Great Barrier Reef. (It’s had record coral cover for the past two years). Her Climate Council colleague and dud prophet Tim Flannery is a mammologist.

The Italians’ desk review spends 20 pages arguing from 82 relevant papers. Their English is well expressed though the syntax is slightly unusual. It’s their conclusions (below) that have generated such recursive fury[6] among the anointed climate crowd:

From the Second World War, our societies have progressed enormously, reaching levels of well-being (health, nutrition, healthiness of the places of life and work, etc.) that previous generations had not even remotely imagined. Today, we are called to continue on the path of progress respecting the constraints of economic, social and environmental sustainability with the severity dictated by the fact that the planet is about to reach 10 billion inhabitants in 2050, increasingly urbanized.

Since its origins, the human species has been confronted with the negative effects of the climate; historical climatology has repeatedly used the concept of climate deterioration in order to explain negative effect of extreme events (mainly drought, diluvial phases and cold periods) on civilization. Today, we are facing a warm phase and, for the first time, we have monitoring capabilities that enable us to objectively evaluate its effects.

Fearing a climate emergency without this being supported by data, means altering the framework of priorities with negative effects that could prove deleterious to our ability to face the challenges of the future, squandering natural and human resources in an economically difficult context, even more negative following the COVID emergency. This does not mean we should do nothing about climate change: we should work to minimize our impact on the planet and to minimize air and water pollution. Whether or not we manage to drastically curtail our carbon dioxide emissions in the coming decades, we need to reduce our vulnerability to extreme weather and climate events.

Leaving the baton to our children without burdening them with the anxiety of being in a climate emergency would allow them to face the various problems in place (energy, agricultural-food, health, etc.) with a more objective and constructive spirit, with the goal of arriving at a weighted assessment of the actions to be taken without wasting the limited resources at our disposal in costly and ineffective solutions. How the climate of the twenty- first century will play out is a topic of deep uncertainty. We need to increase our resiliency to whatever the future climate will present us.

We need to remind ourselves that addressing climate change is not an end in itself, and that climate change is not the only problem that the world is facing. The objective should be to improve human well-being in the twenty-first century, while protecting the environment as much as we can and it would be a nonsense not to do so: it would be like not taking care of the house where we were born and raised.

While a tad sentimental, it’s not over the top compared with say, the IPCC’s UN head Antonio Guterres announcing last month that we’re now suffering “global boiling”. And the late Professor Will Steffen, who steered Australian federal climate policy for two decades, alerted the Royal Society that climate change might well end the Homo Sapiens species.[7]

The Guardian’s attack piece quoted Professor Lisa Alexander, a UNSW rainfall-extreme specialist, saying that, contrary to the paper’s “selective and biased” claims, “there is definitely an increase in precipitation extremes” and it’s “attributed to human activity”. The paper had “totally misrepresented” her own papers’ findings, she said. She wanted the paper rejected or heavily revised.

So far so trenchant, but when you look up one of her two co-authored papers cited by the Italians, you discover that it messed up its Figures 2,3,4,5,7,8 and 9 – which is all but three of its ten Figures.[8] The journal had to run a corresponding erratum and update. An unkind critic might mention pots calling kettles black. Incidentally, Alexander’s UNSW team, led by Andy Pitman (famed for his inadvertent candour that “warming doesn’t cause droughts”) attracted a giant ARC taxpayer grant of $32,134,273, no less. Her other paper, with no corrections, was supported by an ARC grant of only $356,402.

In both papers, Professor Alexander commendably stresses the massive data uncertainties in her field of rainfall extremes, caused by unreliable rain recording, missing data across swathes of entire continents, and too-short records. As she warned,

Despite our best efforts, there are still parts of the world where data are sparse or the temporal coverage is inadequate for a data set designed for long-term monitoring … Efforts are underway to augment current global collections of data to improve the data available for all users.

As for allegedly misrepresenting her work, I don’t see it. In the Italian paper’s first reference, it accepts her conclusion about rain generally increasing.[9] In the second reference, the Italians show concern – as she does — about data quality for extreme downpours. (The Italians mention inter alia that bugs often climb into the gauges and their corpses upset the mechanism).

AFP’s Marlowe in his hit piece quotes Richard Betts (UK Met Office) bagging the Italians. In a masterpiece of bitchy innuendo the AFP snarked, “Betts stopped short of calling for withdrawal, drawing a distinction between cherry-picking data and outright fraud.”

Other critics quoted were Friedericke Otto, of UK’s Grantham Institute, along with Stefan Rahmstorf from the dark-green Postdam Institute. Otto complained the Italians were writing “in bad faith” — whatever that means. Rahmstorf’s gripe was that the research was published in a physics journal rather than a climate one (the latter, of course, 97 per cent captured by the catastrophe crowd as peer reviewers). “I do not know this journal, but if it is a self-respecting one it should withdraw the article,” Rahmstorf said. Otto agreed, demanding that it be withdrawn “loudly and publicly”, presumably to scapegoat the authors. An Exeter University professor said he wouldn’t go that far, fearing bad publicity about censorship – a good point.

Now for the whistleblower’s documentation:

September 29, 2022. Christian Caron of Springer Nature and the editorial manager of the Italian Physical Society, Barbara Ancarani (why her?) contacts Alimonti et al. to let them know that, based on the two media stories, an investigation had been opened of their paper. She cc’d the journal’s co-editor-in-chief, Beatrice Fraboni:

We are sure you and your co-authors are already aware of the public dispute this has generated. Included in these reports are numerous concerns of scientists who are considered highly expert in this subject. As a result of these circumstances it is now necessary that the journal carry out an investigation to assess the validity of these concerns, in line with good practice when concerns of this type are brought to a journal. An editorial note on the homepage of the above mentioned article will be added stating:

‘Readers are alerted that the conclusions reported in this manuscript are currently under dispute. The journal is investigating the issue.’

September 30, 2022. Fraboni, co-chief-editor, contacts the associate editor responsible for handling the review process of Alimonti et al., Jozef Ongena.

“. . . we are facing some issues with a paper in your area. The publishers have asked the Editors to take action.”

Ongena immediately responds:

The article has undergone the usual peer review. There should be no blame and shame… Peer reviewing is the common practice. That there is a discussion seems not abnormal and seems a very healthy thing…I would invite the colleagues that have objections to send in their objections and to pass them on to the authors. To start a discussion in the press as they already did is certainly worse than publishing a critical paper. They could later also be invited to publish a comment. We should as a journal not refrain or be afraid from a scientific discussion, but it should be in a correct way.



October 4, 2022. Author Alimonti:

Dear Dr. Caron, after confronting [sic] with the other authors, we believe a possible correct way to criticize a scientific paper would be to write a detailed summary about what is supposed to be not correct and complete it with references; in other words a paper with precise counter arguments or at least a detailed report…

…the authors of the criticized paper may give detailed answers and the journal may decide further steps. Have Springer or [the journal] been somehow formally contacted with a detailed counter analysis? If so, please forward us any comment so that we can properly answer; if not, we believe that considering “under discussion” a scientific paper that underwent a peer review process just on the basis of interviews appeared on online newspapers or blogs, even if authoritative, is not what a scientific method requires…

…Prof. Prodi, a distinguished climatologist, not just “a nuclear physics dude”, reminds me that he also served as Editor of Springer for many years: criticizing him as author would be a critic[ism] to Springer in selecting reviewers and editors. The Publisher should defend its scientific integrity in a resolute way, in order not to lose prestige itself, by moving at the request of newspapers or by denying its role.”

Co-chief-editor Fabroni initially appears to have accepted this proposal.

October 9, 2022: After having received various feedbacks we have decided to contact the colleagues who expressed concern on the paper to provide a scientific comment that we will then send out to independent reviewers. If and when the Comment will be approved by them, we will share it with the authors so that they will be able to address the issues raised. Also their reply will be peer-reviewed.

None of the eight critics (including UNSW’s Alexander and Sherwood) come good with considered rebuttals. However, the investigation proceeds.

November 17, 2022. Alimonti emails Fabroni to ask for an update on the investigation. Fabroni responds

The reply has been drafted with the assistance of the Springer Research Integrity Department, after carefully taking into consideration the feedbacks received from the colleagues who criticised the paper in the media. Thank you very much for your patience – we have analyzed the case now in-depth. While we acknowledge that the media coverage has certainly made the case temporarily bigger than necessary, it has also uncovered a clear weakness of your paper that we believe must eventually be addressed.

The “clear weakness” is the failure to reference the IPCC Sixth Report, which the authors say was not published when they submitted their article. The Italians were given an ultimatum to prepare an “erratum”.

1/ You will submit an Erratum taking the final, published version of AR6 into account, where the above criticism is explicitly addressed and any conclusion that needs to be revised will be detailed. This Erratum paper, where we expect ample references to the published AR6, will be thoroughly assessed by also involving scientists from the cited parts of AR6. The Erratum has to be submitted before Dec 31st, 2022.

2/ If you decide not to submit such an Erratum or the Erratum is not submitted by the above deadline, the journal will publish an Editorial where we summarize our findings, very much as outlined above and the present Editorial Note on your article will be changed to a permanent Editorial Expression of Concern that will refer to this Editorial.

November 23, 2022. Alimonti writes, quoting Springer guidelines, that it should be an “Addendum” not an “Erratum”. They lodge it and it goes out to four reviewers, with a fifth as “adjudicator”. The reviewers are 3:1 in favour of publishing the Italians’ addendum, but for some reason the Adjudicator is forwarded only one favourable review (which says the piece is quite consistent with IPCC 6th) and one review damning it. That review includes, strangely,

Especially considering that typical readers of EPJP [Physics] journal are not climate experts, I think editors should seriously consider the implications of the possible publication of this addendum. (emphasis added).

So much for science integrity. The third reviewer wrote:

The original article is a straightforward recitation of credible, key data about several types of extreme weather events. I find nothing selective, biased, or misleading in what they present. While there’s hardly anything written that isn’t well-known to experts, it’s useful for non-experts to see the underlying data, which are most often obscure in the IPCC reports. . .

The addendum is an on-point discussion of the extent to which the original paper agrees with the IPCC on three types of extremes. The document is up to professional standards -specific, detailed, and with citations.

Reviewer 4 wrote:

The most important contribution of the authors is to look further back into the climate record (including early 20th century), when many types of extreme events were comparable to today. The paper doesn’t specifically focus on the attribution (cause) of any trend (or lack thereof).

I don’t see any grounds for criticizing this work. Further, most of their conclusions are supported by the IPCC AR6 WG1.

The Adjudicator exceeds his/her terms of reference by bagging the original paper, as distinct from the draft addendum, calling for its retraction and, therefore, the binning of any proposed addendum.

July 13, 2023. Editor Fabroni advises handling-editor Ongena that the paper will be retracted in full, citing the Adjudicator’s view.

After an in-depth consultation with the publishers we came to the conclusion that a retraction is inevitable, a decision fully backed by the publishers.

In my opinion, no reputable science journal, let alone top publisher Springer Nature, should be concerned for one second about big-shots moaning in the media about a non-conformist climate paper. But follow the money: Springer’s revenue is solidly from the left-captured academic sector.

As top UN official Melissa Fleming put it last September about climate, “We own the science, and we think that the world should know it.” Her unspoken sub-text, relevant to the censorship of Professor Alimonti, “Rock the boat and you’ll regret it.”

I’ll borrow Mark Steyn’s book title and say this is all “a disgrace to the profession”.

Tony Thomas’s new book from Connor Court is Anthem of the Unwoke – Yep! The other lot’s gone bonkers. $34.95 on-line from Connor Court here

[1] “Prof. Ricci was alumnus of one of the most prestigious University Institutions in Italy, the Scuola Normale Superiore di Pisa, and after graduation completed his studies under Louis De Broglie and Frederic Joliot-Curie. He introduced in Italy the experimental study of nuclear spectroscopy… He was one of the leaders of the experiments made at CERN with the antiproton beams and started there the relativistic heavy ion physics. Not less important has been his activity as Administrator of Science, as President of Italian and European Physical Societies, as Director of Legnaro National Laboratories, as Vice-President of the National Institute of Nuclear Physics and Chairman of many other important Institutions and Committees.”

[2] There were 166 Australian signatories, mainly professionals rather than academics, and including myself.

[3] The “hockey stick” conveniently erased the awkward Medieval Warming and Little Ice Age from the record, which could then show 1000 years of stability followed by a 20thC uptick from CO2 emissions.

[4] See Steyn, Mark. “A Disgrace to the Profession” Stockade Books. Kindle Edition. From P37.

[5] UEA’s Phil Jones: “I’ve just completed Mike’s [Michael Mann’s] Nature trick of adding in the real temperatures to each series for the last 20 years (i.e. from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith’s [Keith Briffa’s] to hide the decline.”

[6] “Recursive” just means “repeated”. The term “recursive fury” became a meme from the title of a bizarre climate paper by psychologist Dr Stephen Lewandowsy which his editors had to retract .

[7] “The ultimate drivers of the Anthropocene if they continue unabated through this century, may well threaten the viability of contemporary civilization and perhaps even the future existence of Homo sapiens.” Will Steffen, et al., “The Anthropocene: Conceptual and Historical Perspectives,” Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society A: Mathematical, Physical and Engineering Sciences 369, no. 1938 (2011): p862.

[8] “Erratum: In the originally published version of this article the uncertainty range in panel c of Figures 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, and 9 was incorrect. In all cases the uncertainties were shown for the full dataset rather than the subset from which the time series have been calculated… the equivalent panels have been updated in the supplementary information. There is no change to the conclusions drawn in the paper.”

[9] Alimonti: “Global observational datasets indicate an increase in total annual precipitation which appears at first sight consistent with the increase in global temperatures and the consequent increase in precipitable water stored in the atmospheric reservoir…the diagram in Fig. 4 shows that global rainfall is increasing since about 1970.”

[Catfish]

Time there's an official ministry of denial :hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

Time there's an official ministry of denial :hmmm:

Isn't there already :03:

[Rockstar]

More from the world of money making climate hype scam artists.

Chop Down Forests To Save The Planet? Maybe Not As Crazy As It Sounds

https://archive.ph/j3zPH

year ago, Merritt Jenkins moved from Boston to Twain Harte, California, a speck of 2,500 souls in the foothills of the Sierra Nevadas. On his morning commute, he stops at Alicia’s Sugar Shack for a breakfast sandwich (scrambled eggs on rye with avocado), then heads to a 10-acre patch of woods in the Stanislaus National Forest. There, his startup, Kodama Systems, is testing and perfecting its 25-foot-long, 17-ton semiautonomous timber harvesting machine.
Loggers use such machines, known as skidders, to grab tons of cut trees and debris and drag them out of the woods. Kodama’s version is designed to do the job even at night, with fewer workers, using satellite connectivity and advanced lidar (light detection and ranging) cameras, the same type that are used on self-driving cars, to monitor the work remotely. It isn’t easy. “There’s a lot of texture to the trees. Every 10 feet of skid trail is slightly different,” says Jenkins, 35.
But logging in the dark isn’t the most intriguing part of the plans at Kodama, which has raised $6.6 million in seed funding from Bill Gates’ Breakthrough Energy and others. After cutting down the trees, Jenkins plans to bury them—to help slow climate change and to reap salable carbon offsets (and maybe, someday, tax credits too).
Yes, the conventional idea is to plant trees to soak up carbon dioxide from the air and to then sell credits to corporations, private jet owners and others who need or want to offset their emissions. But scientists say burying trees can reduce global warming as well—particularly if those trees would otherwise end up burning or decaying, spewing their stored carbon into the air.
California’s enormous 2020 wildfires drove home the risks to air, property and life posed by overgrown forests. “The orange skies in San Francisco were an inflection point. Now the story resonates,” says Jimmy Voorhis, head of biomass utilization and policy at Kodama. The alarm bells are sounding even louder this year as Canadian wildfires have spread dangerous air conditions to New York, Washington, D.C., and Chicago.

To help address the problem, the U.S. Forest Service aims to thin out 70 million acres of western forests, mostly in California, over the next decade, extracting more than 1 billion tons of bone-dry biomass. It is customary, after such forest thinning, for logs of marketable size to go to sawmills, with most of the rest piled up and later burned under controlled conditions. Kodama wants to bury the leftovers instead—in earthen vaults designed to maintain dry and anoxic (oxygen-free) conditions and protect the wood from rotting or burning.
Along with the VC seed money, Kodama has already received $1.1 million in grants from California’s forest fire agency and others, as well as purchase commitments for the carbon credits tied to the first 400 tons of trees it buries. On the open market, those credits should fetch $200 a ton. Eventually Kodama wants to cut down and bury more than 5,000 tons of trees a year.
A Dartmouth grad with degrees in both engineering and environmental studies, Jenkins started selling used robotic equipment while earning a master’s in robotics at Carnegie Mellon. Then he cofounded a company that uses machine learning to help farmers analyze soil. But in 2019, while earning an MBA at MIT, he concluded there was more opportunity in fores­try than in the crowded ag-tech field. He backed away from the AI company and spent months with loggers to understand how they use equipment, and by 2021 had settled on forestry robotics, convinced that labor shortages would drive demand. “There’s not enough workforce,” he says. “We’ll need new training and new technologies” to meet the Forest Service’s clearing goals.
He also saw another “big gap” in the industry: what to do with all that biomass. He had heard about biomass vaults from Yale’s Carbon Containment Lab. Then mutual friends introduced him to Voorhis, a 33-year-old mountaineer, geologist and earth sciences engineer (with an M.S. from Dartmouth), who had become obsessed with the idea of reclaiming old mines as biomass burial sites. They joined forces.
The notion of burying trees sounds simple and low-tech, particularly when compared with the convoluted “carbon capture” technology now being developed to pull CO2 from the air. Thanks to the Inflation Reduction Act Democrats passed in 2022, companies like Occidental Petroleum and ExxonMobil could qualify for tax credits of $85 per ton of CO2 sequestered if they can perfect systems to suck the gas directly from the air and transport it by pipeline before injecting it permanently underground. The IRA further incentivizes some of these projects with tax credits equal to 30% or more of upfront capital invested.
If you want to cut down trees and pelletize them to burn in place of coal, there are tax credits for that too. But not, as of now, for burying them.
“If you need to remove carbon at scale, it’s crazy not to learn from nature or harness nature,” says Lucas Joppa, a former chief environmental officer at Microsoft who is now at Haveli Investments. “We’ve never come remotely close to being as efficient at removing carbon from the atmosphere as evolution has.”

How efficient? University of Maryland atmospheric science professor Ning Zeng, considered the godfather of biomass burial, explains that the average ton of freshly harvested forest is about 50% carbon by weight, and if left to rot or burn it would put the equivalent of one ton of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. A good rule of thumb, he says: “A ton of biomass in the Earth is a ton of CO2 not in the sky.”
Zeng has his own startup, Carbon Lockdown, which has a contract with the city of Baltimore to pick up 5,000 tons of biomass and bury it near wealthy, leafy Potomac, Maryland. He’s selling the carbon credits generated by that burial at $181 per sequestered ton on Puro.earth (a platform that was built with backing from the Finnish government and became majority-owned by Nasdaq in 2021). Swedish investment company Kinnevik recently bought 1,000 tons. “Nature-based technologies are here and scalable,” says Mikaela Kramer, who oversees carbon credit purchases for Kinnevik. “It doesn’t have to wait another 10 years.”
Still, it’s tough to get large-scale private or government investment in biomass burial because it’s neither replacing a climate-destroying industrial activity nor creating a product that’s of use to people—other than the credits themselves. It also can mean disturbing land.
In Texas, attorney Chris Knop, 43, has already interred more than 4,000 tons of biomass on 45 acres of land his company, Carbon Sequestration, owns near the Louisiana border. The land there is ideal for the anoxic burial required to prevent biomass from decomposing, he says, because of its thick layer of clay. He recently acquired 15,000 tons of debris from landowners north of Beaumont, who are clearing pine forest for real estate development and would otherwise have burned it, enabling him to sell carbon credits for $145 a ton on Puro.
Knop thinks he can break even and was counting on federal tax credits to make the venture profitable. But Congress didn’t explicitly include biomass burial in its tax-credit bonanza. Now Knop and biomass lobbyists are hoping that when the Treasury writes final rules for carbon sequestration credits, biomass will qualify. “I’m just looking for some type of affirmation,” he says.
Knop also has an out-there vision for turning America’s forestlands into carbon sponges by chopping down pine trees, burying them and then replanting with more carbon-thirsty species like bamboo, kenaf or poplar. In the U.S., hundreds of millions of acres are dedicated to cattle grazing or timber production, he says. “Why not switch to carbon farming?”
Back at Kodama, Jenkins is focused on burying wood that needs to be culled anyway for forest health, while Voorhis is aiming to adapt defunct mines and quarries—rather than dig new land—for biomass storage. “We will measure the gas and leachate and completely box off the carbon flows,” Voorhis promises. “If you meet anyone with an old inert rock quarry, let me know.”

[Rockstar]

Time there's an official ministry of denial :hmmm:



AGW fanbois like all the other left wing fascists already deny everyone else’s opinion. They’re saving the planet!

[Rockstar]

AGW Fanbois say chop down the trees to save the planet and of course make money doing it.


Then there’s this selfish AGW climate denier, look at all the trees he planted and species saved from extinction. Just who does this denier think he is? He must be made to suffer for his transgressions of releasing CO2 into the atmosphere.

In the early 1990s, Brazilian photojournalist Sebastião Ribeiro Salgado was stationed in Rwanda to cover the genocide, an experience that left him traumatized.

In 1994, upon returning to his home in Minas Gerais, Brazil, Sebastião hoped to find solace in the lush green forest of his childhood. Instead, he discovered that his home had transformed into a dusty, barren land stretching for miles, devoid of any wildlife.

"The land was as sick as I was. Only about 0.5% of the land was covered in trees," he remarked.

At this time, his wife, Lélia Deluiz Wanick Salgado, proposed that they embark on the ambitious journey of replanting the entire forest. Sebastião supported the idea, and together, over the course of the next 20 years, they planted an astonishing 2.7 million trees.

Their efforts resulted in the rejuvenation of 1,500 acres of rainforest, and the site eventually became home to 293 plant species, 172 bird species, and 33 animal species, some of which were on the brink of extinction.

[em2nought]

They certainly are pimping hurricane Idalia. I expect to see weathermen reporting while standing in retention ponds at any minute. :D

[Otto Harkaman]

I am going to show my activism by enjoying a good beef tenderloin whenever I can.

[em2nought]

No more meat, dairy, cars, clothes, or air travel for the peasants in these cities by 2030. :o

https://valuetainment.com/americas-c40-cities-will-ban-meat-dairy-new-clothes-private-cars-by-2030/

[Jimbuna]

No more meat, dairy, cars, clothes, or air travel for the peasants in these cities by 2030. :o

https://valuetainment.com/americas-c40-cities-will-ban-meat-dairy-new-clothes-private-cars-by-2030/

Looks like a croc of crap to me :)

[Rockstar]

https://youtu.be/72uza9JpT-I?feature=shared

[em2nought]

Paper straws turn out to be worse for the environment and humans than plastic straws. :har:

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/environment/are-paper-straws-latest-example-climate-activisms-oft-ignored

[Rockstar]

https://i.postimg.cc/vBG6zVdb/IMG-2537.jpg

[Rockstar]

The stupidity of it all

EU commission chief asks G20 to join global carbon pricing

Reuters
September 9, 20235:43 AM EDTUpdated 3 hours ago

https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/eu-commission-chief-asks-g20-join-global-carbon-pricing-2023-09-09/

https://www.reuters.com/resizer/92_egM9vtIMHY5-5pUmoRAukTLM=/1200x0/filters:quality(80)/cloudfront-us-east-2.images.arcpublishing.com/reuters/IUADX5DZ3VJH7EJTABDQPFPG7I.jpg

NEW DELHI, Sept 9 (Reuters) - The European Commission president asked G20 leaders on Saturday to join a proposal to set up global carbon pricing.

Many countries are using a price on carbon to help meet their climate goals in the form of a tax or under an emissions trading (ETS), or cap-and-trade, system.

According to a World Bank report, there are currently 73 carbon pricing instruments in operation, covering around 23% of global greenhouse gas emissions.

"Climate change is man-made. So it means we can address it. For this we need innovation, investments in green technologies, renewable energy capacity and energy efficiency ... At the G20 I invited leaders to join the call for global carbon pricing," Ursula von der Leyen wrote on X social media, formerly known as Twitter.

Leyen has been pushing the international community to introduce global carbon pricing to accelerate the transition to a lower-carbon economy.

She had similarly advocated for this during a summit in Paris in June, where she termed the current percentage of emissions covered by a price "almost nothing".

Speaking at the opening session of the G20 Summit in New Delhi, Leyen said that the EU's 'Emissions Trading System' has helped reduce emission by 35% since 2005, while generating more than 152 billion euros ($162.6 billion) of revenues.

"But more revenues will be needed," she said.

Japan, the world's fifth-biggest carbon dioxide emitter, is among the G20 countries that have recently adopted carbon pricing. The Tokyo Stock Exchange plans to open its carbon credit market and begin trading around October.

Climate talks in the G20 grouping, responsible for 80% of global emissions, are being keenly watched by the world ahead of a crucial global stocktake COP28 meeting in the United Arab Emirates later this year.

So far, however, there does not seem to be a great deal of movement on climate change. The draft of the leaders' declaration circulated among delegates and reviewed by Reuters also does not set down concrete emission reduction targets for fossil fuels.

However, it does reiterate "the importance of a policy mix consisting of fiscal, market and regulatory mechanisms, including, as appropriate, the use of carbon pricing and non-pricing mechanisms and incentives toward carbon neutrality and net zero.

($1 = 0.9347 euros)

Reporting by Sarita Chaganti Singh and Katya Golubkova; writing by Sakshi Dayal and Shivam Patel; Editing by Kim Coghill and Jacqueline Wong

[Rockstar]

More taxes so they can continue building stupid shyte like this. Somebody is getting rich.

Another green energy bait and switch as Germany discovers its billions of solar is "disintegrating" faster than promised

Fortunately, it doesn't really matter since "10 gigawatts of solar capacity produces very little power.”

Utter clownshow

https://i.postimg.cc/cLYHXzW8/IMG-2666.jpg

The solar industry in Germany now reports that a jaw-dropping 15% of German solar capacity is rapidly disintegrating.

On one hand, this represents the decay & destruction of many billions of € of capital.

On the other hand it represents hardly any energy risk, because 10 gigwatts of solar capacity produces very little power, much less during peak demand period, in a dark cold country like Germany.

Fortunately for the grid, the power isn't needed because Germany is just losing its industries instead of growing the clean energy supply. Further, this rotting solar, even when new, didn't produce the sort of electricity supply that supports factories staying in the country.

Germany's nuclear plants were getting more effective with age, with extraordinary uptime and reliability at low cost. Its solar equipment, on the other hand, gets worse with age. From here on, Germany is going to have to sprint just to keep its capacity numbers up, to say nothing of actual solar energy production.

Countries have demonstrably powered themselves at or above 50% nuclear in their power mix for decades, whereas solar and wind dependency is merely in the experimental stage and may actually not work. Only Denmark has broken 50% and its reward is excruciatingly high electricity prices and several times the carbon intensity of France.

We'll see! The stakes are perilously high for countries attempting this grand experimental transition. I'm watching Australia closely, as it has much better fundamentals than Germany for renewables.

[Rockstar]

G20 ‘missing in action’ on fossil fuels even as it boosts green energy goals

Leaders declaration avoids critical issue of ending the use of polluting oil and gas

https://archive.ph/k3Ms2



https://archive.ph/k3Ms2/c820c93e56116c287bff88737b0fc216ceaf637c.avif
US president Joe Biden speaks with UAE president Sheikh Mohamed bin Zayed Al Nahyan at the G20 © AP


G20 leaders were “missing in action” on the most critical aspect of limiting climate change, advocacy groups said, after the major economies failed to set a timeline for the end of fossil fuel use without the emissions captured. The group of 20 countries, which account for about 80 per cent of global greenhouse gas emissions, agreed on a goal to triple renewable energy capacity by 2030 globally, taking their cue from the G7 earlier this year.

But the leaders’ declaration failed to include any reference to the phase out of oil and gas, despite the burning of fossil fuels being the biggest contributor to human-induced global warming.

They committed only to a “phasedown” of coal “in line with national circumstances”, and avoided reference to phasing out all polluting fuels.
The action is deemed “indispensable” by the United Nations in the most recent assessment of the efforts of almost 200 countries to reduce their greenhouse gas emissions.

In the UN’s first ever “global stock take”, it found the world was way off track to meet the goals of the Paris Agreement to limit global warming to 2C, or ideally 1.5C, above pre-industrial levels. “To have any chance of meeting the Paris Agreement’s 1.5°C temperature limitation goal, sharp reductions in the production and use of all fossil fuels . . . are essential, and on that issue, the G20 leaders are missing in action,” Alden Meyer, senior associate at E3G, the climate consultancy, said.

Attention will now turn to whether countries can agree a phase out of all fossil fuels at COP28, the UN climate summit due to take place at the end of the year in Dubai, despite growing geopolitical tensions. Saudi Arabia and China led efforts by fossil fuel reliant economies to block an agreement on the end of fossil fuels during meetings of G20 climate and energy ministers in July.

According to people familiar with discussions, Saudi Arabia pushed back against a renewable energy target, instead calling for greater promotion of the use of carbon capture and storage technologies that would allow for the continued production of oil and gas. A proposal from India to phase out fossil fuels at COP27 last year won backing from more than 80 countries. The EU is expected to push for a phase out at this year’s climate summit, alongside other countries.

While there was no agreement on fossil fuels, the G20’s pledge to boost green energy was widely welcomed.
The UAE’s Sultan al-Jaber, president-designate of COP28, said he was “specifically grateful for the commitment” involving the ambitious renewable energy target, which he aims to reach a global agreement on at COP28. Andreas Sieber, 350.org(opens a new window) associate director of policy and campaigns, said the agreement to triple renewable energy was “a historic step, a glimmer of hope in our battle against climate chaos”.

Western officials said securing backing from developing nations for more ambitious climate goals was one trade-off obtained in exchange for removing more critical language of Russia in the section of the joint statement that referred to Moscow’s war against Ukraine. In a reference to carbon capture facilities, which are not proven at scale, the G20 declaration said as well as expanding renewable energy, countries agreed to show “similar ambition with respect to other zero and low-emission technologies, including abatement and removal technologies, in line with national circumstances by 2030”.

They also acknowledged the need to mobilise $4tn a year by 2030 in finance for clean energy technologies in developing countries in order to achieve net zero emissions by 2050. The G20 also backed reform of multilateral development banks such as the World Bank to provide additional lending to deal with climate change.

During the summit, the G20 agreed to include the African Union as a member of the group. Mohamed Adow, founder and director of Powershift Africa, said the inclusion of countries at the “very front line of the climate crisis” would hopefully “provide some impetus to improve the quality and urgency of the G20’s response to climate change”.
Additional reporting by Henry Foy in New Delhi

[Rockstar]

https://youtu.be/bgKiMokFr3o?feature=shared

[Rockstar]

I'm starting to think "environmentalists" are sock-puppets for China

https://i.postimg.cc/VNLbpt3h/IMG-2732.jpg

[Skybird]

The Detection and Attribution of Northern Hemisphere Land Surface Warming (1850–2018) in Terms of Human and Natural Factors: Challenges of Inadequate Data


https://www.mdpi.com/2225-1154/11/9/179


[Tichys Einblicke] In any case, the publication shows one thing: The uncertainties in determining the temperature increase not caused by CO2 are much larger than it seems in the public perception.

While scientists "do their job," politicians act as if CO2 is the sole cause of climate change. Politicians are pursuing their very own socio-political goals under the narrative of "saving the climate," at whatever cost to society.

At the G20 summit in India on Sept. 9-10, 2023, the U.S. and some European countries tried to get other countries such as China, India, Russia, Saudi Arabia and Brazil to agree to a 60 percent CO2 reduction by 2035. The attempt failed because none of the BRICS countries followed the West.

Taking the emissions of the Western countries (U.S., Europe, Japan, South Korea, Canada and Australia) together, the total comes to 27.1 percent of global emissions.

The remaining countries, which account for 73 percent of global CO2 emissions, are not thinking about reducing their CO2 emissions for the time being for economic reasons.


Above all, the host of the G20 summit, India, stood in the way and had its energy minister, Singh, declare: "If the economy grows by 7%, electricity generation from coal will grow as well." The inconvenient truth, he said, is that renewables are not a realistic alternative to fossil fuels. He further emphasized, "The need for backup for wind and solar through batteries increases costs almost fivefold. In addition, for the first time since 2022, the cost of lithium batteries has increased by 7 percent due to more expensive raw materials.
(...)
In 2022, 106 GW (gigawatts = 1000 megawatts) of coal-fired power plants were approved in China. A coal-fired power plant has an average capacity of 1 GW. In the first half of 2023, additional coal-fired power plants with a total capacity of 52 GW were approved in China. That is 2 power plants per week.
Coal-fired power plants with a total capacity of 136 GW are under construction in China. This increase alone is equivalent to 4 times the capacity of all German coal-fired power plants (35 GW), which are supposed to be zero by 2038 at the latest.
[German] https://www.tichyseinblick.de/kolumnen/klima-durchblick/neue-erkenntnisse-globale-erwaermung/

[Rockstar]

Geologist: How Geologic Factors Generate El Nino And La Nina Events

https://climatechangedispatch.com/geologist-how-geologic-factors-generate-el-nino-and-la-nina-events/?utm_source=ReviveOldPost&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=ReviveOldPost

There is an enormous amount of data that proves El Ninos and La Ninas significantly alter the Pacific Ocean’s temperature, influence Earth’s atmospheric temperature, reverse equatorial trade winds, and change our climate.

It may come as a surprise that armed with all this information scientists still don’t know what generates El Ninos and La Ninas.

This article will show that massive amounts of heated fluids, cooled fluids, chemicals, and various gases emitted from seafloor geologic features located at a non-moving/fixed location in a far western part of the Pacific Ocean, i.e., the “Source Point”, generate and maintain both El Ninos and La Ninas.

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Figure 1. Comparison of the 1997 – 1998 El Nino and La Nina events. Note that each has the same Source Point and temperature distribution patterns. (Image credit NOAA and some labeling by J. Kamis).

Source Point

All El Ninos and La Ninas originate in the exact same deep ocean seafloor area which is located east of Papua New Guinea and west of the Solomon Islands (Figure 2). The Source Point covers 150,000 square miles, which is a mere 0.23 percent of the Pacific Ocean’s 64,092,958 square miles.

The Source Point’s area is one of the most geologically active regions on Earth because it is home to the junction of five extremely active major fault systems, the second largest ocean floor lava plateau on Earth, hundreds of ocean floor volcanoes, and a tremendous number of ocean floor hydrothermal vents.

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Figure 2. Ocean floor geology of the El Ninos and La Ninas (Image credit Schmidt Ocean Institute, some labeling by J. Kamis).

Generation Of El Ninos And La Ninas

When an enormous deep-earth molten lava chamber that is far beneath the Source Point becomes active, it super-pressurizes gases within the lava in the chamber, primarily CO2. The pressurized lava then pushes upward through lower-pressure rock layers eventually spilling out onto the ocean floor where it creates and fuels many types of geological features. This process marks the beginning of an El Nino.

The ocean floor’s geological features then begin emitting massive amounts of extremely hot fluids, chemicals, and gases into the lower ocean layer. However, these emissions don’t increase the temperature of the ocean layer beneath the Source Point area. This is because the temperature of the heated fluids, chemicals, and gases also act to melt massive deposits of vertically and horizontally oriented ice-bearing rock layers—layers generated before the emergence of the lava pocket activity. These layers are typically very thick and stretch for miles away from the Source Point.

It takes a significant amount of time until the emitted heat melts a large portion of the icy rock layers.

Once the icy rock layers melt, the emissions of heated fluids, chemicals, and gases begin to greatly increase the temperature and chemical composition of the ocean water. The heated water gets transported eastward by ocean currents that act to form an immense, heated, three-dimensional area that extends from the Source Point to South America. However, the three-dimensional area still has pockets of cooler water. In time the area completely warms to the same temperature. This is now a fully formed El Nino.

When the activity of the deep-earth lava pocket diminishes, the temperature of the fluids, chemicals, and gases it emits from the lava pocket also decreases. At some point, the decreasing temperature reaches a tipping point that is conducive to reestablishing all the icy rock layers to their original extent. The cool water gets transported eastward by ocean currents that act to form an immense, heated, three-dimensional area that extends from the Source Point to South America. However, the three-dimensional area still has pockets of warmer water. In time, the area becomes completely cooled to the same temperature. This is now a fully formed La Nina.

When the lava chamber becomes totally inactive and no longer emits fluids chemicals or gases, the El Nino and La Nina phases end.

Helium Gas Emitted From The El Nino And La Nina Source Point

Figure 3 is a map showing the concentration of helium gas in seawater across a large portion of the Pacific Ocean. The presence of helium gas plumes is a very strong indicator that the gas was emitted from an erupting volcano.

Note that the source point of the helium plume in Figure 3 perfectly matches the Source Point of the El Nino and La Nina. This is very convincing evidence that the generation of all El Ninos and La Ninas is the result of geological activity.

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Figure 3. Ocean Surface Helium Gas Plume that emanates from the ocean floor Source Point of El Ninos and La Ninas. (Data and map credit NOAA and Luton 2017).

El Nino Volcanic Eruption Analog

Figure 4 is a photo of volcanic ash being expelled from an erupting land volcano. The fixed source point, “V”-shape pattern of the ash, and its transition from high ash concentration to no ash construction is an analog of an El Nino.

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Figure 4. Photo of a volcanic eruption from space taken by NASA’s Endeavour Space Shuttle (image credit NASA’s Space Shuttle Program, some labeling by J. Kamis).

Three-Dimensional Time-Lapse Video Illustrating An El Nino And A La Nina Generation

Figure 5 is a snapshot of a three-dimensional time-lapse video illustrating that El Nino and La Nina begin at the Source.

The downward-pointing Heat Spikes are formed by emissions from the hot lava pocket. As you watch the video it becomes apparent that both the El Nino and La Nina form in bursts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaFjlZxM7S4

Eventually, the cumulative effect of the bursts generates a fully formed El Nino or La Nina.

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Figure 5. Development of El Nino warm phase and La Nina cool phase (Source: YouTube screencap see here). (Some labeling by J. Kamis).

Side Effects Vs Root Cause

Scientists attempting to decipher what force or forces generate and maintain El Ninos and La Ninas use the vast amount of atmospheric and oceanic data to formulate their conclusions.

Utilizing this data scientists have found correlations of trade winds, ocean currents, climate phenomenon, and climate to the formation of El Ninos and La Ninas. it shows these correlations are side effects of geologically induced El Ninos and La Ninas.

This is not to say that all changes in trade winds, ocean currents, climate phenomena, and climate are related to geological forces. Rather, during El Ninos and La Ninas, changes in the above parameters are caused by geological forces.

High-Resolution Mapping Of Earth’s Ocean Floors
Oceans cover 71% of the earth yet the number of geological features present on its ocean floors is not well known primarily due to the lack of high-resolution elevation mapping.

High-resolution elevation mapping is needed to image the limited height and width of ocean floor geological features. It would seem that these small ocean floor features would have little effect on the temperature, chemical composition, amount of CO2 rising into the atmosphere, and amount of methane gas rising into the atmosphere.

The opposite is true.

Modern research studies have concluded that emissions from thousands of small land geological features have an underestimated effect on climate.

A University of Cambridge study concluded that climate models should be updated to include the climate effect of land volcanic activity. They attribute this underestimation to a lack of including the thousands of small land volcanic features.

You may ask how is all this relevant to the generation of El Ninos and La Ninas. The answer is that higher resolution elevation mapping of the ocean floor in the Source Point area will likely find hundreds of heretofore undiscovered active volcanoes and hydrothermal vents. These additional features geological may add credence to the idea that geological activity generates El Nio’s and La Ninas.

The primary source of data that measures the temperature, pressure, and salinity of the upper and middle ocean layers is the ARGO Buoy System.

As of 2015, the ARGO system forms a worldwide network of 3,881 autonomously operating buoys. Each buoy can vary its depth from the ocean surface to 6,562 feet and vary its geographic position.

When the buoys descend to a depth of 6,562 feet, they record their GPS position, ocean floor temperature, ocean floor pressure, and ocean floor salinity, which is then stored in an onboard computer.

When a buoy rises to the surface it transmits its GPS position, ocean floor temperature data, ocean floor pressure data, and ocean floor salinity data to satellites. This data is utilized to construct low-resolution three-dimensional maps of temperature, pressure, and salinity at 6,562 feet. The maps are low resolution for several reasons.

Earth’s oceans cover 139,700,000 square miles, which means there is only one ARGO buoy every 36,000 square miles.

In other words, the ARGO buoys are widely spaced and therefore don’t provide enough data to resolve how geological features are present in our oceans.

The current estimate of how many geological features are present on ocean floors is 3,000,000. Once the elevation of all of Earth’s ocean floors is mapped in high resolution, this estimate will be substantially higher.

Other Evidence That El Ninos And La Ninas Are Generated By Geological Forces

The rare occurrence of three La Ninas in a row termed a Tripple La Nina, occurred from 2020 to 2023. This event was immediately followed by a still-developing El Nino. The amount of energy needed to cool and then maintain the below-average temperature across a huge portion of the Pacific Ocean for three years is immense. A greater amount of energy is required to quickly increase the temperature of a huge portion of the Pacific Ocean into a warm El Nino phase. This large amount of energy can only be supplied by energy emissions from a deep earth molten lava pocket.

The amount of energy needed to generate an El Nino within an ocean floor geologically active area measuring 20 by 30 miles has here been very roughly estimated. The known energy released from a 20 by 30 miles portion of Yellowstone’s Pitchstone volcanic Plateau is roughly the same amount needed to form an El Nino. Interestingly, Yellowstone and the El Nino Source Point are both associated with deep earth molten lava pockets.

El Ninos do not occur in a predictable historical pattern, rather they occur randomly. This is indicative of a geological origin such as volcanic eruptions which are not predictable.
El Nino-like events do not occur elsewhere in the Pacific or other oceans. Why? If they are atmospheric in origin, there should at least be one other El Nino location.

Historical records indicate that the first human-recorded El Nino occurred in 1525 observed by Spanish explorers. Other studies suggest strong ancient El Ninos ended Peruvian civilizations. The main point here is that strong El Ninos are natural, and not increasing in relationship to global warming.

El Ninos often occur in “bundles”. Typically, the first El Nino in a bundle is of lower intensity, subsequent El Ninos are progressively more intense, often ending with a high-intensity El Nino. This El Nino bundle pattern is remarkably like the progression of well-monitored and well-understood land-based volcanic and tectonic events, which typically build through time to a final large volcanic eruption or tectonic event.

The ocean surface shape of all El Nino Sea Surface temperature anomalies is identical. If El Ninos were the result of global atmospheric warming, there should be some variance in shape.
Ocean warming acts strongly affects ocean coral reef systems, often referred to as “coral bleaching”. I believe that the alteration of coral reefs is a natural and necessary effect caused by geologically induced El Ninos. Effects that fit into the Natural Selection Theory developed by geologist Charles Darwin while visiting the geologically active Galapagos Island Rift System region. Take for example the U.S. Forest Service’s “Forest Fire Suppression Policy” that reigned supreme from 1900 until 1995. During this time, forest fires were considered extremely dangerous and harmful to both the public and forests. Foresters claimed that these monstrous walls of destruction that raged through our beautiful forests killing humans, animals, and plants, and destroying homes were unnatural and needed to be suppressed. Today’s forest management policies are quite different. The new policies are built on the premise that forest fires are necessary agents of natural selection.

El Nino-warming and chemical changes of Pacific Ocean seawater have a strong influence on Pacific Ocean phytoplankton distribution by enriching the ocean with iron, phosphorus, etc. Geological emissions from active ocean floor features are known to emit these minerals.
All El Nino/La Nina computer prediction models loaded with atmospheric and shallow oceanic data consistently fail, likely because they are modeling the “side effects” of geologically warmed/cooled oceans and not the “cause” of the El Nino/La Nina event. All of these models, including the current model, do not have the ability to project the timing of occurrence, magnitude, frequency, generation by heat pulses, and “bundling” patterns more than a few months in advance.

El Nino/La Nina events are associated with geological seismicity or volcanism in the point source area (Guillas 5-28-2010).

It is evident the generation of an El Nino is immediately followed by the generation of a La Nina proving that one cycle and not separate events.
Summary

Significant amounts of data and information gathered from varying scientific disciplines prove that the generation of El Ninos and La Ninas is the result of fluids, chemicals, and gases emitted from ocean-floor geological features. Features that are located in a small geographical area in the far western portion of the Pacific Ocean.

Biography

James Edward Kamis is a retired Geologist with forty-two years of experience. He has a Bachelor of Science degree in Geology from Northern Illinois University and a Master of Science degree in Geology from Idaho State University. More than forty-six years of research have convinced him that geological forces significantly influence, or in some cases, completely control climate, and climate-related events as per his Plate Climatology Theory and latest book.

Note From Author

Special thanks to Thomas Richard of Climate Change Dispatch who has posted all of my articles concerning Plate Climatology Theory for ten years and counting. And thanks to John O’Sullivan at the Principia Scientific website who has also posted many of my articles concerning Plate Climatology Theory.

[tonschk]

They the WEF claus swab bill gates and the other PSYCHOPATHS MEGALOMANIACS ARE SPRAYING ON US AS WE WERE COCKROACHES TO EXTERMINATE

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[mapuc]

Maybe some of you are expert on flight engines. Wouldn't heavy metal like aluminium destroy most of the parts in the engines ?

'cause this is what's being said among those who believe in this chemtrails, that they have added aluminium to the chemical.

Markus

[tonschk]

This is what the government want you to believe that those trails are just water but only naive and gullible people can trust and believe the official government propaganda, those are nozzles provided to the planes to spray heavy metals and to make people sicker weakening the inmune system and reduce population


Maybe some of you are expert on flight engines. Wouldn't heavy metal like aluminium destroy most of the parts in the engines ?



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[Jeff-Groves]

You Guys need to link Twilight Zone music.

[mapuc]

^^

https://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/Features/nasa_905_departs_dryden.html

Markus

[tonschk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK9nVR9H34g&list=PLwfFtDFZDpwulG0PJ9IID0iypsRXDSa1E&t=23s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2q-BZxl-Zxk&list=PLDVvLl-E9H5aBzKqWylc6jVpCRearCXX1&t=6s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUTQ5Q8Z6YQ&t=1s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mao0y3DnKzo&t=1s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_xl5-yN5Ts&t=3s

[mapuc]

We have all our beliefs. I do NOT believe in these chemtrails for me it is nothing but contrails.

Markus

[Rockstar]

Claus Schwab, WEF spraying chemtrails in the sky to take over the world needs its own thread filed with things like alien abductions and the Illuminati.

[mapuc]

Claus Schwab, WEF spraying chemtrails in the sky to take over the world needs its own thread filed with things like alien abductions and the Illuminati.

Sorry for derailing your interesting thread about Climate changes and the propaganda.

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

Plant more trees. Have a good day.

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpvd9FensT8&ab_channel=Astrum

Markus

[Catfish]

Soon there will be no ice left to take probes from for comparison, this will cure the problem for some of the loudest critics of climate change :03:

Seriously, there seems to be a problem – all crises of evolution (meaning a worldwide drop in species numbers) always followed a CO2 rise *, regardless where the latter came from. You can measure this in deep drilling core probes of sediments, not only in ice.
We know where it comes from now anyway. CO2 does not rise because of a worldwide temperature gradient, it used to be the other way round :hmmm:
But whether if we understand it or not, there is not enough done by research and limiting exhaust gases and we and the children will have to live with it. As i understand it it is too late to counter it now anyway.


* edit: With one exception: when the first O2-producing organisms arrived on the world's stage (making use of the overwhelming CO2-saturated atmosphere), the O2 created by them led to a mass extinction of anaerobic life, very early in earth's biological development. O2 was indeed a new and poisonous gas, for them.
In Jurassic times (you know T. Rex and all that) the O2 level was so high that insects with their trachoid respiration could reach enormous (compared to recent time) dimensions, along with other O2-respirating life.

Again: Rising levels of CO2 do not only generate more heat in earth's atmosphere, it is a direct threat to all O2-breathing life.

[Rockstar]

I don’t deny it, a no ice scenario is a very real possibility. My thoughts however is it’s a naturally occurring phenomena and there isn’t a damn thing you can do about it other than to adapt. What have corporations or governments achieved? They have raised taxes (you have to ask yourself what has government ever fixed by raising taxes?), the cost of energy has skyrocketed because of stupid ideas, destroyed the environment even further and condemn third world poor to slavery to dig their goblin ore. And the sloganeering has everybody ignorant of it or if confronted believe the death and suffering of others is worth it.

[Rockstar]

This is utter fookin’ climate change fanboy nonsense. But it’s what happens when people stop thinking.

https://youtu.be/owJ8aOBvEv0?feature=shared

https://i.postimg.cc/rFJxNRSM/IMG-2755.jpg

[Jeff-Groves]

We really need to make those people allergic to air.

[Moonlight]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpvd9FensT8&ab_channel=Astrum

Markus

That was a great video Markus. :up:

[Catfish]

That was a great video Markus. :up:
Yes indeed ! :salute:

[Rockstar]

At or around 11:20 he shows a graph which appears to shows how quickly global temperatures are changing. However what he failed to mention. It’s during that same period 1950’s or so onward we began and continue to increase the number monitoring stations around the globe. So yes, I think you will find a dramatic increase in a short period of time as stations are placed in climates that were never monitored before particularly hotter arid areas. I might be mistaken but I don’t think the graph represents global average either, I think it actually shows temperature anomalies.

I would agree the Milankovitch cycle not being a major contributor. But there are other factors he didn’t touch on such as increased solar activity the last fifty years Solar winds and radiation, changes in the magnetosphere, mantle convection which may be contributing to a surge methane. Mantle plumes warming oceans and arctic cap. In addition to further death & destruction caused by lobbyists saving the planet leading to even further deforestation, excavation, slavery digging up the goblin ore.

[Catfish]

As far as I now Milankovic cycles are following CO2 peaks, whatever caused them. Volcanoes and plate tectonics (Deccan trapps etc.) are usually used for explanation, as well as the rise of plants producing toxic O2 gases for the primoridal anaerobic organisms, thus producing O2 out of CO2 and making CO2 levels fall (and thus decreasing atmospheric temperatures). Still, we know what caused the recent CO2 rise (century-wise) if we do not put our heads in the sand.

Putting up of monitoring stations gives us exact numbers for detailed dates, but this is not really useful when you want to compare it with more general numbers found in sediments of some million years ago.
On the other hand you have detailed temperature and atmospheric data of a certain day or even hour in the jurassic for example (like a coral calcite piece having been turned around during a storm back then with all kinds of other data), but even this does not give us clues of the overall situation of this particular year. You can only use deep drilling cores for getting a general picture :hmmm:

[Rockstar]

Talk about the potential for climate change. If it hits, so much for all the solar and wind farms. We’ll be going right back to using oil coal and wood. :D



NASA predicts large asteroid impact could be in Earth’s future

BY BILL SHANNON - 09/20/23 7:14 AM ET


https://thehill.com/homenews/space/4212562-nasa-predicts-large-asteroid-impact-could-be-in-earths-future/

(WTAJ) — NASA scientists are predicting a chance that asteroid Bennu will strike Earth in the future, potentially affecting an area the size of Texas.

Bennu is a Near-Earth Object (NEO) that passes by the planet roughly every six years, and experts have been watching it since it was discovered in September 1999. According to scientists, Bennu has a chance to pass through what they call a “gravity keyhole,” which would send it on a collision course with Earth in the year 2182.

A new paper from the OSIRIS-REx science team predicts Bennu has a 0.037% chance (1 in 2,700) of hitting Earth; this will largely depend on another flyby. In 2135, Bennu will zoom past Earth just close enough that our planet’s gravitational pull could affect it in just the right way to put it on a path to hit us on Sept. 24, 2182 — almost 159 years to the day from this writing.

The Bennu asteroid is a third of a mile wide, roughly three city blocks. It could affect an area the size of Texas by its impact. Bennu, however, is still far smaller than the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs 66 million years ago, which is said to have been six miles wide.

While much smaller, IFLS.com says the impact would unleash 1,200 megatons of energy — 24 times more powerful than any man-made nuclear weapon.

“We’ve never modeled an asteroid’s trajectory to this precision before,” said Davide Farnocchia, the study lead from the Center for Near-Earth Object Studies. “The OSIRIS-REx data give us so much more precise information, we can test the limits of our models and calculate the future trajectory of Bennu to a very high degree of certainty through 2135,” Farnocchia added.

[em2nought]

So what's going to happen tomorrow?

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2023/09/22/september-23rd-2023-wild-ufo-meteor-and-doomsday-predictions-take-over/

[Catfish]

^ if i see a Pteranodon tomorrow it would make me happy ;)
But then I just found out the beer reserves are dry and it's sunday tomorrow.
Doooom :wah:

[mapuc]

So what's going to happen tomorrow?

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2023/09/22/september-23rd-2023-wild-ufo-meteor-and-doomsday-predictions-take-over/

I know what's going to happen
An artificiel moon will approach Earth tomorrow Afternoon CEST
:har:
Markus

[Rockstar]

Heat-related deaths in 2022 hit highest level on record in England
More than 4,500 people died due to hot temperatures, ONS data reveals, as rate increases over recent years

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/22/heat-related-deaths-2022-hit-highest-level-record-england

Is it alarmist global warming co2 scorched earth, making us all get deader?

Or is it due to the population of Jolly Olde England has increased from about 48.5 million in 1995 to about 56.5 million in 2021, and the average age of people has also gone up? :hmmm:


I’m betting it’s the rise in population and frailty of the elderly

[Rockstar]

I think his wisdom applies to more than just climate change

https://youtu.be/CA8elCE75ns?feature=shared

[Skybird]

The IPCC messes it up big time.
https://www-achgut-com.translate.goog/artikel/die_jahrhundert_panne_des_weltklimarates_ipcc?_x_t r_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp

If you know that the IPCC has an extremely narrow mandate, which is to report exclusively antrophogenic causes for climate change and to ignore all other causal theories, and that it is further desired to report only such announcements, which exceed the previous scenarios in drama, then you know that this is not a "breakdown", but deliberate, intentional, to create panic.

Completely corrupted and not worth paying attention to. In the beginning, I was panting after them, too. But not for years now. IPCC is just another example of how unscrupulous and criminal a morally completely bankrupt political establishment has become.

[Torvald Von Mansee]

5847

[Rockstar]

https://youtu.be/gHenc7QKKjI?feature=shared

[Rockstar]

The graph pretty much says it all.

https://i.postimg.cc/028LTyZ4/IMG-3049.jpg

[Skybird]

https://www-welt-de.translate.goog/wissenschaft/article248230418/Klimaforscher-Markus-Rex-Der-Weltuntergang-ist-nicht-nahe.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp

[Rockstar]

A natural event that happens in only "decades"


https://youtu.be/JCt2MhOzWVE?si=Gzx_dTD4f5jHGpiE

[Skybird]

https://www.ssb.no/en/natur-og-miljo/forurensning-og-klima/artikler/to-what-extent-are-temperature-levels-changing-due-to-greenhouse-gas-emissions/_/attachment/inline/5a3f4a9b-3bc3-4988-9579-9fea82944264:f63064594b9225f9d7dc458b0b70a646baec3 339/DP1007.pdf

In this paper we have reviewed data on climate and temperatures in the past and ascertained that there have been large (non-stationary) temperature fluctuations resulting from natural causes.
Subsequently, we have summarized recent work on statistical analyses on the ability of the GCMs to track historical temperature data. These studies have demonstrated that the time series of the difference between the global temperature and the corresponding hindcast from the GCMs is non-stationary. Thus, these studies raise serious doubts about whether the GCMs are able to distinguish natural variations in temperatures from variations caused by man-made emissions of CO2.
Next, we have updated the statistical time series analysis of Dagsvik et al. (2020) based on observed temperature series recorded during the last 200 years and further back in time. Despite long trends and cycles in these temperature series, we have found that the hypothesis of stationarity
was not rejected, apart from a few cases. These results are therefore consistent with the results obtained by Dagsvik et al. (2020). In other words, the results imply that the effect of man-made CO2 emissions does not appear to be sufficiently strong to cause systematic changes in the pattern of the temperature fluctuations. In other words, our analysis indicates that with the current level of knowledge, it seems impossible to determine how much of the temperature increase is due to emissions of CO2.

[Rockstar]

They are finally coming around to face reality. Helluva lot better idea than cutting down trees to save the planet.

US, UK Lead Pledge to Triple Nuclear Power by 2050 at COP28

Countries to support new tech, like small modular reactors
Nuclear power has seen a resurgence in interest recently


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-11-14/us-uk-to-push-pledge-to-triple-nuclear-power-by-2050-at-cop28#xj4y7vzkg


By John Ainger, Rachel Morison, and Akshat Rathi
November 14, 2023 at 5:31 PM UTC
Updated on November 15, 2023 at 8:04 AM UTC

The US will lead a push at the COP28 climate summit to triple the amount of installed nuclear power capacity globally by 2050, marking a major turnaround for the controversial technology at the climate negotiations.

The declaration will call on the World Bank and other international financial institutions to include nuclear energy in their lending policies, according to a document seen by Bloomberg News. The US will likely be joined by the UK, France, Sweden, Finland and South Korea in the pledge to be signed Dec. 1 in Dubai, according to people familiar with the matter.

That will be followed a few days later by a nuclear industry commitment to triple generation resources from 2020 levels, said one of the people, who asked not to be named because the information isn’t public.

“Nuclear is 100% part of the solution,” John Kerry, the US special presidential envoy for climate, said at the Bloomberg New Economy Forum last week. “It’s clean energy.”

The countries recognize “the key role of nuclear energy in achieving global net-zero greenhouse gas emissions/carbon neutrality by or around mid-century,” a draft of the declaration says. “Nuclear energy is already the second-largest source of clean dispatchable baseload power, with benefits for energy security.”
The declaration is the latest sign of shifting sentiment toward nuclear power, which doesn’t produce carbon dioxide emissions, but has often been criticized over the waste it generates, the cost of building plants and potential security issues. Support has gained traction especially as clean back-up for renewable energy sources such as wind and solar. The countries will also commit to new technologies, such as small modular reactors.

The US sees such technology as possibly helping slash Africa’s emissions, while also adding more flexible generation capacity. The US is discussing nuclear cooperation agreements with Kenya and Ghana, and renewing a pact with South Africa, according to Joshua Volz, the US Department of Energy’s deputy assistant secretary for Europe, Eurasia, Africa and the Middle East.
Read More: What Is COP28 and Why Is It Important?

The United Nations’ 28th Conference of the Parties, known as COP28, will take place in the United Arab Emirates, which is the only country in the Arabian Peninsula with a nuclear power program. It’s not clear if the hosts will sign.
The two-week summit due to start on Nov. 28 will include a “global stocktake” to track how far off course the world is to keeping global warming below 1.5C and what more needs to be done to close the gap. A report from the UN Tuesday showed that emissions are set to rise 9% by 2030, compared to 2010, putting the world potentially on course for warming of 2.8C.

— With assistance from Paul Burkhardt

(Updates with details on US seeing role for small modular reactors in Africa in seventh paragraph.)

[Skybird]

However, Small Nuclear Reactors (SMR) hzave jzst face d setbabck when some ociensing or permission to operate them was refuse din the US, its a news 10-14 days old or so. Also, these reactors tend to suffer from more neurton leakage than bigge rreactors, studies oif the past 3-4 years found, I recall.


I do not mean this as a death bell ringing on SNR technology, which is in use in military contexts (ships, submarines) and in Russian ice breakers since decades, but right now it probaly iitll is not the silver bullet causingn miracles and wonder. However, we are probably closer to succeed with this tech than we are with succeeding with fusion reactors, which imo still are several - many - decades away: if they will ever become economically operational (which I do not rule out, but no longer take as a certainty).

[em2nought]

They are finally coming around to face reality. Helluva lot better idea than cutting down trees to save the planet.

[B] US, UK Lead Pledge to Triple Nuclear Power by 2050 at COP28


Good thing AI is coming along so there's "someone" smart enough to run a nuclear reactor in the future. I'm not one of them, I flunked out in Orlando. :D

[Skybird]

https://www.nzz.ch/wirtschaft/solarstrom-vom-dach-oder-aus-den-alpen-ist-suendhaft-teuer-sogar-neue-kernkraftwerke-schneiden-besser-ab-ld.1765538?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp

If the energy transition in Switzerland is to succeed, we have to say goodbye to some clichés. Calculations by the energy company Axpo show: Wind energy and even new nuclear power plants are cheaper than photovoltaics – if all costs are taken into account.

[Skybird]

If you ask the devil for a dance, don't complain if your soles catch fire.


https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-67508331

[mapuc]

Change of comment-Did not see Skybird had posted the same link above ^
I have therefore removed my comment and link.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

If you ask the devil for a dance, don't complain if your soles catch fire.


https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-67508331

Tis hardly surprising when you look at the state of the energy markets of late.

[Skybird]

Click on "Ich unterstütze bereits" to pass. Its just a harmless support request.

https://www-tichyseinblick-de.translate.goog/kolumnen/klima-durchblick/cop-28-dubai-klimagipfel-kipppunkt/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp

At the time, climate researcher Rahmstorf formulated the sentence that “we” had lost control over the climate. That leaves you perplexed. When have humans ever had control over the climate, primarily over the weather? This remark was probably an expression of his dream of ever being able to do it. All power to the climate researchers from the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research (PIK).
The “Mass” can also be interpreted as a religious perspective. Believers meet here to strengthen their faith and not allow any doubts. It is important to blame the Old World, which has already emitted (too) much in its history. With the regularity of the chimes of a church tower bell, the urgency is emphasized before each COP. If the breakthrough doesn't happen this time, we'll be irredeemably lost, then the big glow will come and so on. It's always 5 to 12, the clock must have stopped somehow. Currently the weather in Europe argues against warming, but explanations are being offered: the snow is warmer than it used to be, it's colder because it's getting warmer, and it's the warmest cold snap in 125,000 years - or something like that.A neverending source of reasons for mockery and laughter. I stick to my old view of all this: in general it seems to get warmer for sure, but we will not prevent that, and so have to adapt to a warmer world in a meaning of evolutionary theory. Wanting to turn he clocks back like the Greens want, will not save us, neither will a hysterical witch hunt against technology. Climate science is, like nutrition science, a hotspot of corruption in science. The intention is not so much saving the climate, but "marxistically" redistributing wealth from the haves to the havenots, and to keep the rabble in a never-ending scare in order to be able to drive them more easily in the desired radical left direction. Not to mention that many a stupid monkey would look pretty hilarious if he were to admit now that he has spent his academic career spreading nothing but drivel, so that he can have absolutely no self-interest in helping to form this enlightening historical moment of ending this nonsense. And all the activist organizations and their babbling figureheads would also have to weep bitter tears after their sudden loss of significance and donations. Life is not fair! :har:

[Skybird]

https://think-again.org/global-warming-halb-so-schlimm/ (https://think--again-org.translate.goog/global-warming-halb-so-schlimm/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp)

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Satellites have been measuring the Earth's temperature for half a century. There should now be enough data to be able to compare it with the forecasts of computer models. Several teams of meteorologists have done this, and their results are (not) surprising.

The temperature of the earth

Why can a satellite even measure the earth's temperature? This happens very indirectly. One uses a property of air, more precisely that of oxygen, whose molecules emit more or less infrared radiation depending on the temperature. The satellites have spectrometers on board, which are measuring devices that are precisely calibrated for this radiation, which is invisible to the eye. You can then draw conclusions about the temperature from their data.

Let me illustrate this with an example: There is a big festival taking place near your apartment. From midday onwards there is a level of noise that reaches you. To find out how many visitors are currently at the fair, analyze this sound. There are voices of children, men and women together, laughing, singing or ordering a beer. There are also noises from carousels, ghost trains and radio strips.

They install a microphone on the balcony and connect it to a “spectrometer for sound”, which measures the pitches and volumes that make up the noise. They observe all of this very closely and find a window in the spectrum of sound frequencies in which man-made sound lies. Using the rule of thumb “the louder, the more” you can now determine the current number of visitors.


Infrared noise

Our meteorologists also face a similar task. Satellites look at the intensities in a specific window of the spectrum from the infrared “noise” generated by a wide variety of physical processes in the atmosphere and on the ground. They then calculate a temperature from this. But what temperature is that? After all, the atmosphere is many kilometers thick, and with every kilometer of altitude it gets around 6 °C colder. The spectrometers look into a huge mixture of different temperatures. A lot of calculations have to be done in order to come up with a realistic statement about the temperature near the earth. This should then be within a tenth of a degree in order to be relevant when it comes to climate change.


The interplay of the elements

The measurement results from NASA and NOAA (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration), which have been accumulated since satellite measurements began, were recently analyzed very carefully and came to the following conclusion: Since the 1970s, the atmosphere has changed by 0.13 to 0 per decade .18 °C warmed. If this continues, global warming would be 1.2 °C by the end of the century. The University of Alabama Huntsville (UAH) satellites, in turn, observed a cooling of 0.016 degrees for the seven years 2015-2022.

This is not in line with the “official” news reported by mainstream media, and so we should take a closer look at it.

In order to identify the causes of possible global warming, you have to look at all the processes that could influence the earth's temperature. These are factors such as variations in solar activity, clouds, changes in the Earth's orbit, spread of vegetation, composition of the atmosphere and much more. A “model” can then be created from this, i.e. with the help of a wealth of mathematical equations that describe the respective effect, one simulates which temperatures would arise in the interplay of these influences.


Complicated models

Computers are conveniently used for such calculations, and so the term “computer model” has become established. A number of institutions have taken on this very demanding task, most of which work under the umbrella of the UN agency IPCC. There is now the suspicion that they are not looking for the true causes of warming, but that it is established a priori: it is man-made CO2 in the air. All observations are intended to prove precisely this one hypothesis, and they are intended to prove that the end of the planet is imminent. It's like a doctor making a diagnosis before examining the patient. He assumes malaria a priori and then uses the fever curves only to confirm his claim.

The IPCC-compliant computer models predict warming of 2.4 degrees by the year 2100, in contrast to the 1.2 degrees mentioned above. Can you believe that? What is more plausible?


Theory and truth

You can test the models for their suitability by setting them to reproduce the temperature curves of the past. For example, you could feed the computer program with temperature data from 1980 to 2000 and use it to calculate a forecast for the years 2001 to 2020. These can then be compared with the actually measured values.

Something like this has been done, and instead of the actual, measured warming of 0.15 to 0.18 degrees per decade, the simulation results in values of around 0.25 degrees. This significant deviation must make one very skeptical. When theory and reality differ, it is wise to believe reality more than theory. And so one has to question the 2.4 degree forecast for the year 2100 and the associated end of the world. The political and economic sanctions justified by this prophecy in question would ruin our civilization sooner than Earth's temperature could.

Are they intentionally trying to deceive us? You might object that no scientist would give in to such a set-up, just as doctors wouldn't diagnose malaria in series. No? Malaria maybe not, but Corona more likely; and perhaps some doctors and some climate scientists have a similar motivation.

[em2nought]

The political and economic sanctions justified by this prophecy in question would ruin our civilization sooner than Earth's temperature could.


Which might just be their real intention from the start. :hmmm:

[Skybird]

Which might just be their real intention from the start. :hmmm:
Indeed. The German Greens were founded as a party in 1980, and I finsihed school in winter 1985. Sicne those school years I say that the Greens are less about ecology and more about being anti to "Atomkraft", America, market economy, liberalism, and especially want a radical destruction of the hated burgeoise society model and its replacement with far left-leaning collectivistic society models and centralised state planned economy. Significant parts of them always sympathized with left terror organisation in Africa and Latin America. The Greens have a very deep-rooting mistrust for freedom and self-responsibility and want to command people. Choice the yonly leave to people if people uses that choice to choose what the Greens demand them to choose. A No to their demands is never taken as an answer.

Dangerously close to the concepts described in "1984". The example of German and EU language policing as a tool of mind mutilation is just one but not the only example, it follows Orwell's description to the last letter and point. And they want it.

[Skybird]

[Tichy's Einblicke] (https://www.tichyseinblick.de/wirtschaft/mobilitaet/bilanzbetrug-elektroauto-sauber-gerechnet-irrefuehrung/) [The author] Prof Dr sc. techn. Thomas Koch has been Head of the Institute of Reciprocating Engines at the Karlsruhe Institute of Technology (KIT) since 2013 and is responsible for internal combustion engine matters in the areas of research, teaching and innovation.
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Fraudulent calculations are the only way to claim that electric cars are "cleaner" than diesel cars. In fact, the emissions of diesel vehicles are lower than the emissions of comparable electric vehicles at all times, Thomas Koch calculates:

Around 10 years ago, the well-known economist Professor Hans-Werner Sinn published his article "Energy transition to nowhere". Today we know that unimaginable implementation rigour, unprecedented failure on the part of German elites, decision-makers ducking away, huge public pressure built up by non-governmental organisations and unfortunate events such as the reactor disaster in Fukushima have created conditions that make Germany increasingly unattractive as an industrial location.

In addition to the failed energy transition with industrial electricity prices that will be around five times higher in Germany than in China in 2023, the mobility transition has also been driven forward with equally unimaginable vigour. The top priority in recent years has been the unconditional ban on the combustion engine. The CO2 advantage of the electric car was cited as the reason for this. The mantra of balance sheet fraud, repeated like a prayer wheel, convinced the majority of non-expert and therefore vulnerable decision-makers in the legislature of this mantra. A simple example illustrates the perfidious deception that has almost destroyed a German technological paradiscipline.

A hiker undertakes an excursion with a length of 6 kilometres. The first kilometre is on level ground. For the second kilometre, the path climbs steadily for 10 metres. On the third kilometre the gradient is a steady 20 metres, on the fourth kilometre 30 metres, on the fifth 40 metres and on kilometre 6 the path climbs 50 metres. The gradient therefore becomes steeper and steeper. In total, the hiker covers an altitude difference of 150 metres. The average gradient is 25 metres per kilometre, resulting from 150 metres over 6 kilometres.
After a snack and a beer, the hiker now walks back 100 metres. By how many metres is his altitude reduced? If you take the average gradient of 25 metres per kilometre, he should have lost exactly 2.5 metres in height after 100 metres of the return journey. In reality, however, he loses 5 metres in altitude, i.e. twice as much. The difference between the average gradient (mean value of 25 metres/km) and the marginal gradient (marginal value of 50 metres/km) is obvious. The mean value (25m/km) alone does not allow a mathematically correct solution.

This example can be directly transferred to the German electricity system. The distance travelled by the hiker can be compared with the electrical energy required by the German electricity system. The gradient of the hiking trail is comparable to the CO2 footprint of the energy sources required. If, for example, the electrical energy demand in today's Germany were at a pre-industrial level and therefore extremely low (e.g. 1 kWh), the so-called regenerative energies, such as hydropower, photovoltaics and wind power, would require an extremely low gradient of, for example, 50 gr O2/kWh. The index ä contains equivalent emission components such as CH4 or N2O, which are converted to CO2.

The more the amount of electrical energy required increases, in analogy to the hiking trail that continues, the more the gradient increases. The addition of lignite-fired power plants ultimately results in a gradient of around 1100 gr CO2/kWh. With a typical German electricity demand of around 600 TWh in Germany, i.e. 600,000,000,000 kWh, fossil-fuelled power plants are in use almost continuously. Just as the total height of a hike is 150 metres after covering a distance of 6 kilometres, the Climate Protection Act for Germany gives a total height of 257 million tonnes of CO2ä in 2022 for the energy sector. This corresponds to an average value of 427 gr CO2/kWh. The Federal Environment Agency gives a comparable value of 434 gr CO2/kWh.

The following question is crucial for correctly balancing the CO2 emissions generated by electrical consumption: "How big is the impact on emissions if you have one less electrical consumer connected to the grid?" Comparable to the return journey of the hike, the saving of 1 kWh of electrical energy does not mean the saving according to the average value of 427g CO2ä. This value is just as incorrect as the above altitude difference calculation of 2.5 metres per 100 metres at the start of the return journey. Rather, the reduced CO2ä emissions would be 1100g, for example, if a lignite-fired power plant had been connected to the grid the entire time and this was no longer needed when a consumer was switched off.

The discrepancy of 427g to 1100g is smaller in reality for the German electricity grid with gas and hard coal shares. In Germany, a factor of 2 is a good approximation between the mean value and real emissions according to the marginal approach. A physical reason for the underestimation of real emissions in the mean value approach is obvious: wind and solar power continue to make an insufficient contribution, quite independently of the number of electrical consumers. The wind does not blow any less when a consumer is switched off and the sun does not shine any brighter when it is switched on.

The word "balance sheet fraud" should be chosen because the actual CO2 emissions are significantly higher and have to be paid for by society via the CO2 price. Future expenditure is thus concealed.
According to the latest VDI balance sheet analysis on the CO2 emissions of various drive concepts, taking into account the production volumes, a diesel vehicle causes total emissions of 34.1 tonnes of CO2 after 200,000 kilometres in motorway operation. Using the mean value approach, which misrepresents reality, a battery-powered vehicle would produce far too low a figure of 27.5 tonnes of CO2. Using the mathematically correct marginal approach results in 40.8 tonnes of CO2, whereby other favourable assumptions such as achieving the target of the failed "Climate-neutral Germany 2045" strategy, avoiding charging predominantly at night or not using vehicle heating were included in this cross-comparison.

At all times during vehicle operation, the emissions of the diesel vehicle are therefore lower than the emissions of comparable electric vehicles.

Fortunately, there are increasing signs that politicians have seen through the gigantic balance sheet fraud. There is a chance that after the misguided energy turnaround, at least the mobility turnaround will not completely drive the cart into the wall. An alternative to pure electromobility must be made possible, otherwise all credibility will be lost and our competitiveness completely pulverised.

[bweiss]

https://media.istockphoto.com/id/1358464345/photo/mare-and-foal.webp?b=1&s=612x612&w=0&k=20&c=v8WAvYVK9YRz3aPDm6uPtN68BtZEWcya_LqKrUfZ_I4=



Love the newest line-up of EV's coming out. Their available in full size, and compact models!

They burn less fuel, therefore are economically competitive with all forms of power driven engines, and
far more reliable, as thus far there have been zero documented instances of spontaneous combustion explosions,
and their travel range is far superior to all other competitors, having to stop and recharge with a
mere bucket of oats about twice a day.

[Skybird]

Let us ignore for a moment the fact that there are thousands of scientists who reject the beliefs enforced with merciless severity regarding the CO2 issue, but who are being silenced and sanctioned by the state media and the censored mainstream media, while science is being ground down. Let's simply compare the relevance of the industrial self-destruction policy in Europe and Germany derived from this (in the sense of a curious snapshot) to the bigger, whole picture, and enjoy the intellectual mind games that the sight triggers in our brains, provided we have not already fallen prey to the completely filthy ideology of green socialism, whose own goal is not so much ecology as the creation of the homo socialisticus through endless pedagogical instruction, indoctrination, scaremongering and manipulative re-education measures.


https://i.postimg.cc/VsWJt66p/annual-co2-emissions-per-country.png (https://postimg.cc/qggBVp2x)
https://ourworldindata.org/co2-emissions

[Skybird]

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/11/business/hertz-tesla-selling/index.html
:D

[Skybird]

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/09/climate/atlantic-circulation-collapse-weather-climate/index.html

The scientists used a supercomputer to run complex climate models over a period of three months, simulating a gradual increase of freshwater to the AMOC — representing ice melt as well as rainfall and river runoff, which can dilute the ocean’s salinity and weaken the currents.
As they slowly increased the freshwater in the model, they saw the AMOC gradually weaken until it abruptly collapsed. It’s the first time a collapse has been detectable using these complex models, representing “bad news for the climate system and humanity,” the report says.

[Skybird]

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-39810-w


Or in an easier accessible summary:


https://www-fr-de.translate.goog/politik/neue-eiszeit-in-europa-kipppunkte-golfstrom-neue-studie-92835047.html?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de


The Gulf Stream may shut down much earlier than previously expected. Temperature in Europe may dorp by uzpo to 30°C.


Panic creating? Real concern? I have given up on it, the whgole science circus has become so corrupted by special interests and ideoolgical agendas, its practically impossible for the layman to differentiate truth from propaganda. And the givenrments? In Germany I can see that critical scientists not unconditionally propagating the wanted narration get mobbed out by political intrigues, and the govenrment becomes ever more determined to silence them, up to outright criminalizing deviating views, no matter how well founded the argument or results or evidence may be. Truth is not wanted - obedience is.

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BTW, what has become of Rockstar? I noticed that he seems to have run into trouble with the management before christmas, but dont know what happened.

[Skybird]

This movie was already taken down once, reposted, taken down again, and reposted again. Watch it while you can, its only a question of time until they take it down again.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A24fWmNA6lM


Science is totally corrupoted and/or hijacked thrse days. This does not speak against the scientific methodology, only illustrates that every tool can be used constructively, or can be abused. The criminal energy and display shopuld nobody surpise anymore after what they did with Covid and nthe pandmeic treaty of the WHO.

Look at the data folks, look at the damn data, and then make up your own mind.

[Rockstar]

She couldn’t compete against the corruption of the money makers either. NSFW

https://youtu.be/LKiBlGDfRU8?feature=shared

[Eichhörnchen]

Love the newest line-up of EV's coming out. Their available in full size, and compact models!

Ah but they are noisier than an EV, all that clip-clopping as they go past - not to mention the whinneying :D

[em2nought]

Ah but they are noisier than an EV, all that clip-clopping as they go past - not to mention the whinneying :D

I'm picturing all the Amish dealerships. :D

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2e/95/f8/2e95f8615f6cb58c2811b87748c11fc5.jpg

[Skybird]

She couldn’t compete against the corruption of the money makers either. NSFW


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S9sDyooxf4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEZ9HFlqzms

[Rockstar]

I think there’s something much worse going on than the man made hype, err… I mean man made global warming.

I think the planet itself is in an Ice Age Termination Event. Milankovitch cycles, mantle plumes warming ocean currents and releasing more methane than ever before. Methane is so much more of a problem and can change a global climate in a very short time

[Skybird]

When I mentioned the risk from methane hydrate fifteen or more years ago, people were laughing...

[Rockstar]

I mentioned Milankovitch cycles and was just flat out told NO by the wikipedia fact checkers. On the other hand I was probably one of those who laughed at your methane post. But now I’ve seen the light. :O:

[Jeff-Groves]

On the other hand I was probably one of those who laughed at your methane post. But now I’ve seen the light. :O:
Should have been, But now I smell what's cooking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr8glaM4ruM

[Rockstar]

More environmental concerns past and present

Beekeepers across the United States lost roughly 40 percent of their colonies, known as Colony Collapse Disorder, from April 2014 to April 2015. Still an ongoing concern.

https://theconversation.com/ten-years-after-the-crisis-what-is-happening-to-the-worlds-bees-77164

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The primary type of banana exported around world is in danger of being wiped off the face of the globe by the fungal disease Tropical Race 4.

As Sabine Hossenfelder just pointed in the above video, is this a potential cause of mass migration to the U.S.?

https://www.fao.org/tr4gn/tr4-basics/en/

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Recent bird flu epidemic is responsible for the deaths of 48 million turkeys and chickens. This has driven up egg prices with estimates reaching over $6 a dozen.

https://www.farmsanctuary.org/news-stories/bird-flu-us-turkey-industry/

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Forty percent of our fresh produce comes from the state of California which record droughts are impacting.

https://www.npr.org/2022/06/07/1103445439/these-are-the-impacts-of-californias-worst-drought-on-record

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That same drought is reducing the herds of cattle across the nation.
A virus is devastating the hog farmers in the U.S. causing a spike in prices

https://www.drovers.com/news/beef-production/impacts-drought-beef-and-beyond

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For Your Phone and EV, a Cobalt Supply Chain to a Hell on Earth. Creating even more environmental destruction and death so we can feel better about ourselves. That is provided we just bury our heads in the sand and ignore the consequences of our actions.

https://e360.yale.edu/features/siddharth-kara-cobalt-mining-labor-congo

[August]

Poor old world sure has gone to hell in a handbasket huh?

But then again it's been going there ever since the dawn of recorded history and probably long before that.

I imagine a couple of elderly Doggerlanders complaining about how the ground around their huts was far wetter than back when they were kids and how their old party spot on the beach had been long washed away the sea.

The world is constantly changing, we're just gonna have to deal with it and get over the arrogant idea that we can stop it.

[Rockstar]

Poor old world sure has gone to hell in a handbasket huh?

But then again it's been going there ever since the dawn of recorded history and probably long before that.

I imagine a couple of elderly Doggerlanders complaining about how the ground around their huts was far wetter than back when they were kids and how their old party spot on the beach had been long washed away the sea.

The world is constantly changing, we're just gonna have to deal with it and get over the arrogant idea that we can stop it.

Climate has been changing since earth began. The last major event was just around twelve thousand years ago.

However if it is an ice age termination event that’s rapidly coming upon us. Would people rather hear there’s something they can do about it by building EVs, batteries and efficient iPads even if it poisons the environment further, kills those who mine the ore needed and causes wars for the resources?

Or would it cause much more of a panic telling them in 20 years economies will begin to collapse so just buckle up Nancy boy because there ain’t a damn thing you can do about it. :haha:

[August]

Climate has been changing since earth began. The last major event was just around twelve thousand years ago.

However if it is an ice age termination event that’s rapidly coming upon us. Would people rather hear there’s something they can do about it by building EVs, batteries and efficient iPads even if it poisons the environment further, kills those who mine the ore needed and causes wars for the resources?

Or would it cause much more of a panic telling them in 20 years economies will begin to collapse so just buckle up Nancy boy because there ain’t a damn thing you can do about it. :haha:

I dunno.

People managed not to panic and crash society back in the 50's and 60's when nuclear war could break out at any moment. I grew up with the "Nuclear Clock" sitting at 5 min to midnight and air raid drills at school. The economy marched on unaffected. In the 70's when scientists were claiming with as much fervor as they are now about global warming that a new Ice Age was upon us and that winters would just keep getting longer until we were buried under miles of snow and ice. Given those scares I don't expect they would be any more likely to panic with the news that 20 years from now something might happen that could begin to collapse their economies.

Truth is nobody can say for sure what is going to happen with the climate or when.

[Skybird]

https://youtu.be/sGG-A80Tl5g?si=dbA71UKtejLsIqIU

[Exocet25fr]

https://youtu.be/zmfRG8-RHEI

[Oubaas]

Poor old world sure has gone to hell in a handbasket huh?

But then again it's been going there ever since the dawn of recorded history and probably long before that.

I imagine a couple of elderly Doggerlanders complaining about how the ground around their huts was far wetter than back when they were kids and how their old party spot on the beach had been long washed away the sea.

The world is constantly changing, we're just gonna have to deal with it and get over the arrogant idea that we can stop it.

Bingo! Give August a prize! :up:

:Kaleun_Salute:

[Skybird]

https://www-achgut-com.translate.goog/artikel/co2_oder_el_nino_neue_erkenntnisse_zum_temperatura nstieg?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de



In addition to El Niño, there is another effect that has little to do with the rise in CO2. Since 1980, the permeability of clouds to short-wave solar radiation has been increasing. This has led to an increase in the duration of sunshine worldwide and in Europe. More solar radiation in summer means more warming. I already referred to this effect in my August 2023 newsletter. Compared to the 1980s, we now have 250 hours more sunshine per year in Europe. Even back then, one of the possible causes for me - in addition to oceanic ocean cycles - was the decrease in aerosols (dust particles in the air) due to the reduction in air pollution worldwide. These dust particles serve as condensation nuclei and promote cloud formation.


The reduction in air pollution as the cause of much of the warming in recent years has now been confirmed by reality and science.

In 2020, after much debate, the International Maritime Organization (IMO) banned the use of high-sulphur fuels by ships. The reduction in sulphurous emissions on the world's oceans has been enormous since 2020. Emissions from shipping have been reduced by 77 percent worldwide in one fell swoop by reducing the maximum sulphur content of marine diesel from 3.5 to 0.5 percent.


NASA scientists conclude in a Nature publication that the IMO air pollution control measure has reduced cloud formation and increased short-wave solar radiation. They calculate that 80 percent of the warming since 2020 can be attributed to this measure.

[August]

Shenanigans being played with the IPCC report.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rwlp-UzJR2A

[Skybird]

https://youtube.com/shorts/fALPkDO01vU?si=ytBV5z-P0uoKyZ72

[em2nought]

Can't even build a pier in Gaza, but they're gonna save the earth from the sun. :har:

[Aktungbby]

I mentioned Milankovitch cycles and was just flat out told NO by the wikipedia fact checkers. On the other hand I was probably one of those who laughed at your methane post. But now I’ve seen the light. :O:...when you lit the match in the coal mine?:timeout::oops::O:

[Gorpet]

Don't worry, About climate the smartest,Brains that NATO has to offer will offset any scientific theory you have in mind.

[Shadowblade]

new summer style of weather forecast - everything with temperature over 20 °C on weather forecast map has 'napalm red' color :har:

They make my country look like that it will end up burning in flames or something like this ...



https://scontent.fbrq1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/450343302_1055325139359959_295629489127901011_n.jp g?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=833d8c&_nc_ohc=4A19xVthSYAQ7kNvgESg1bC&_nc_ht=scontent.fbrq1-1.fna&cb_e2o_trans=q&oh=00_AYBMXRvvXjC-ejh9gY0kjQ2BiHtaZCnwiircf0n8E8MRRw&oe=669660AF

[Rockstar]

https://youtu.be/HIVmSewHqMY

[em2nought]

I'm sure democrat leadership is praying for a HUGE record hurricane season in order to bump their precious global warming up from near the bottom of the scale of what's important to the average voter. If only they could schedule a massive hurricane for November 5th. :D

[Skybird]

https://youtu.be/HIVmSewHqMYHa, you beat me to it.

[Skybird]

https://www-achgut-com.translate.goog/artikel/woher_kommt_die_klimawandel_angst?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de



Against this background, it is therefore reasonable to assume that personality traits from the dark triad are also overrepresented among activist-minded climate change scientists in order to serve the cause or their own advancement. The stage for a particularly pathetic performance of this kind is now provided by the Helmholtz Association of all places. According to its own statements, this association is an institution of top-level research in Germany, with 18 centers, a good 40,000 employees and a budget of a considerable 6 billion euros.

For some years now, this association has also had an agit-prop department on the subject of climate change - with the meaningful name Climate Initiative. In their article "Is climate change really (that) bad?" - last updated in December 2022 - also deals with medical issues. In the health chapter, for example, it says: "If the number of extremely cold days decreases as a result of global warming, the number of deaths from cold is also likely to fall, especially in northern latitudes. On the other hand, hotter summers threaten to increase the number of heat-related deaths. And their increase will probably be greater than the decline in cold-related deaths."



Even if temperature-related deaths were to develop in this direction, for which there is no solid evidence so far, the ratio of cold to heat deaths is unlikely to change substantially, as cold deaths are 17 times more common worldwide than heat deaths, as published in 2015. For Europe, a recent study found a ratio of 10 to 1. Of course, the Helmholtz propagandists are also aware of these studies, but they clearly have no qualms about suggesting that heat deaths are our main problem. Perhaps psychological research should also take a closer look at the personality structure of scientists whose careers have been and continue to be largely driven by the construct of man-made climate change.

[Rockstar]

Reducing carbon the German way. Y’all are mostly coal and oil now right?

Germany blew up the cooling towers of the Grafenrheinfeld nuclear power plant today.

It was in operation between 1981-2015.

After Fukushima, Angela Merkel took the decision to close down all Germany’s nuclear power plants by 2022.

Today, none are left.

[mapuc]

Reducing carbon the German way. Y’all are mostly coal and oil now right?

Germany blew up the cooling towers of the Grafenrheinfeld nuclear power plant today.

It was in operation between 1981-2015.

After Fukushima, Angela Merkel took the decision to close down all Germany’s nuclear power plants by 2022.

Today, none are left.

While the Swedes has been rethinking around the nuclear issue. Before it was said that by 20-something, Sweden should be without nuclear power. Now they, the Swedes, have understood that green power can't sustain full energy to the growing society.

Markus