I think this is the future of meat

[Skybird]

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/fda-gives-first-safety-sign-company-selling-lab-grown-meat-rcna57536


But I have quite some questions on the chemical makeup and the nutrients content of these lab meats. There is little use to have this meat if it has not the same dietary value like biologically farmed meat. And the history of modern civilization foods and convenience food shows how devastating wrong food dogmata can be for huge parts of the public's health. For example, is the mineral and vitamine content and the quality of the included fats the same like in real meat, or is the content in bad fats bigger than in organically grown meat and wanted fats get toned down because they might cause bigger cost? Needless to say, I also might have to strictly disagree with the definitions the industry follows when establishing guidelines what good and what bad ingredients are. Just to read the recommendations of the national food associations serves as a loud warning: low salt, ridiouclous iodine ammounts, hilariously low ammounts of various nutrients they recommend, but eating plenty and often, carbohydrates, fructose-inclduing fruits, going with unfermented soy bean products or unfermented milk - its a confession list of planned criminal misdeeds that do incredible harm to the health of dozens and hundreds of millions of people. ... Many people take these guidelines literally, follow them. And see how many millions are obese, are ill, have diabetes, have automimmune deseases, chronic deseases, tumors - things you do nto have in people in other places not followiugn these food advices - but formign all these deseases when they move into the West and live here a couple of years. The onyl wanring of food asscioiuations I agree with is that warning of too much refined sugar, fructose, glucose and HFCSs.


I hope this development for lab meat goes well, I really do. I wait for it, I hope for it, I wold be willing to try it. But I do not trust blindly. Give the lab data on nutrients content, and exactly labelled, please, and then we see.

[mapuc]

Interesting read indeed it also made me remember a thread made by you. So me starting to conduct search-mode...found it.

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=242674

How high is the cancer risk by eating raw/medium raw artificial meat ?

Markus

[Skybird]

If that red meat-cancer-claim is not just aniother unfoudned hypthesis grounded on unseirous statistical data manipulaiton and ocnducted for ideolgicla rewaosns to un leanr people to enioy eating, living, meat in general. Its a abd thing that today health aerugmnents get brought uzp to defend ecological claims and that ecological claims get brought up to make people complying with wnated eating regimes. This mixing of two different thigns nowadays makes me aghgressive.

Must be some Protestant-Calvinist self-flagellation thing. To drive the enjoyment out of people and make them all feel guilty for the planet, the other peoples, the foreign nobler people courted by the leftists... Feel like a sinner when you enjoy tasteful food. Feel like a criminal if you dont save energy when frying not at reduced heat. Fear detah and hellfire if you eat meat form killed animals. In your knees with you nunworthy nothing if you do not submit yourself to the superior living style and moral of vegetarians and vegans.

Almost all ecotrophological studies done are - corrrelation studies - which then gets interpreted as if these correlations were causal cause-effect links. There are hundreds of thousands of ecotrophological studies. And almost all of them are correlation studies. Almost all of them. :doh: And how could it be different when considering ethical and moral limits in conducting studies on eating...

Train your German, Markus, this is true - and entertaining. :03: The man is quite known in Germany, I have two books myself by him. Sometimes he is more polemic than right, sometimes he is simply wrong, but often he is right on target. Either they hate him or they love him. But entertaining he certainly is.

https://www.zeit.de/lebensart/essen-trinken/2013-06/ernaehrung-diaeten/komplettansicht

[les green01]

i get my meat straight from hoof bow season,rifle season,blackpower that just deer throw in rabbits,quail,pleasents,tree rats,frog legs,snakes,greens and poke,fruits and mushrooms,fish there a whole grocery store out there

[Skybird]

there a whole grocery store out thereIf all American households would do like that, then for not much longer time... ;)AND HANDS OFF MY SQUIRRELS...! :arrgh!:

[les green01]

If all American households would do like that, then for not much longer time... ;)AND HANDS OFF MY SQUIRRELS...! :arrgh!:

tree rats are mighty tasty fry :03: good thing about around here if you want beef go to a local farmer buy a calf and raise it or buy one all ready raise butcher it yourself our take it to a shop

[Buddahaid]

Meat in my house has a very, very, short future.

[nikimcbee]

tree rats are mighty tasty fry :03: good thing about around here if you want beef go to a local farmer buy a calf and raise it or buy one all ready raise butcher it yourself our take it to a shop


The Hmong population loves to eat them! I've heard some pretty gross stories....:k_confused:

[em2nought]

I just picked up a cow, my fingers feel frostbit. :D

[Eichhörnchen]

There's always been the argument that taking supplements in pill form is a waste of time because our digestive system does not recognize them; it can only process vitamins and fats effectively when they are consumed naturally - in the meats, fruits and vegetables we are designed to eat

So wouldn't this be the same with fats and vitamins consumed with these lab meats - the body wouldn't be able to unlock them correctly when they come from this 'unnatural' food?

[Jimbuna]

Cannibalism....that is the future.

[nikimcbee]

Cannibalism....that is the future.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv3tZNzm80Y

[August]

Cannibalism....that is the future.




Soylent Green is People.

[ET2SN]

Cannibalism....that is the future.


Cannibalism....its what's for dinner. :yeah:

[Skybird]

There's always been the argument that taking supplements in pill form is a waste of time because our digestive system does not recognize them; it can only process vitamins and fats effectively when they are consumed naturally - in the meats, fruits and vegetables we are designed to eat

So wouldn't this be the same with fats and vitamins consumed with these lab meats - the body wouldn't be able to unlock them correctly when they come from this 'unnatural' food?
True is that it makes no sense, mostly, to take supplements isolated and picking one or two and not others. Health by food is the result of a canon of hundreds and thousands of different molecule classes interacting with each other. However, its not called food replacements but food supplements. There are many other substance classes and molecules like Stenoles, flavonoids and so forth that help organ's actively processing supplements or benefitting from them, or that serve as co-factors necessary to digest them. In a general sense, because then there also are the specific co-interactions between supplements, some of which I mentioned in the posts two and one years ago in the context of other threads: for exmaple that you will not benefit from rich Vitamine-D depots in your fat cells if you suffer from Magnesium deficits, or even can live dangerously if you consume huge doses of iodine without also taking selenium



So there is some truth in that these thing should not be taken isolated, all alone, as a replacement for food. However, it is propaganda as well to claim they are all completely useless and we should just stick to normal food and then we are well. No, that way we are not that well, because much of organically produced food simply does not have the nutrient content anymore that it has had a hundred years ago. Just one reason. The reductions in vitamines and minerals can be immense!



Do not be dogmatic, Eich. Be pragmatic and dont care for mainstream opinions and official guidelines. Thats how I do it. I tell you, most recommendations for this or that eating regime are not more worth than what you find at the bottom of a garbage bin. I eat and mostly avoid too much of things I know are not too good, but I also allow myself a few occaisonal, well-dosed sins. But while doing so I also supplement, in width and depth. It costs me per day what people workign in an office may spend at break on a coffee and a chocolate bar. I gave my report on how health status has changed, improved significantly in the Wuhan thread, last year or so, and I had that Health thread with giving a starting list of links to certain topics and individual supplement classes, to help interesting people to get a first idea that there are very strong arguments not to just blindly believe what the mainstream medicine and the state officials are telling us is good for us - often, it is not good for us, but damages us. The changes to my health are enormous, and some of them are even absolutely objectively confirmed, via measuring devices, blood tests, hormone and fatty acid analysis, its not just my subjective self-perception. Several healht issues I have had for decades - are gone. My parents follow some of my advices,a nd also have imrpoioved their medicaiton intake: be drmataically reducign them. Their dctor is perplexed. Before I made them changing to another one. They are better off now, and feel better.



The mainstream opinion on food does not want people to realise this, because mainstream opinion providers knowingly or unknowingly work for defending profit interests of the food industry and the pharmaceutical industry. And these want custiomers. And customers of these are only people who are ill, or are willing to eat unhealthily so that they become ill, or are succesfully made believing they are ill and need drugs.



Dont eat all the time. Reduce frequency and amplitude of insuline spikes: by chosing what you eat, and how often you eat, and when you eat. That alone cna make a huge difefrence3. Pople 50 years ago did not eat much halhtier than we do today, they ate sugar, cake, pudding and ice cream, steaks, french fries, pizza, pasta, more salt than today, and sitll: on ohots from the 60s and 70s you hardly see as many fat people, even kids, than you see today.



Dont eat all the time (snakcs are a greta danger!). Keep the insuline reaction low.



Make sure you have solid supplementation especially for certain Vitamine Bs, D, Zinc, Magnesium, Selenium, Iodine, Q10 Ubiquinol (different toi Ubiquinon, wihci is chepaer but less effetcive), and Omega 3. Read and learn which of these to take together or better separately, and together with a meal or some oil, or between meals.



Avoid refined sugar. Learn to differ betwene good and bad fats and oils. Not every unsaturated fat acid.enriched oil is a good oil! Keep your Omega 6 intake a slow as you can, you will still get mor ethna ekigh of it. avoid glucose and fructose sirups and high fructuse corn syrup HFCS. Avoid soy products if not throughly fermneted. Strictly limit cow milk if not thoroughly fermented.



And cionsider to have an occaisonal day when yiou fast and eat nothign at all. No, it doe snot reuce your msucle mass, thats one of those many stuoid myths by whcih they try to scare people into compliance with industry. The pharma and food industry do not want you to be healthy, because then you would eat and buy less of its foods, and would not buy any drugs - bad for them!



Really, guys: dont spend all the day on surfing from one snack to the next, leaving you practically eating all day long. Read and learn. Take responsibility for yourself. Follow th emoney and develope healthy scepoticism against common medical and food dogmata. Its not necessarily all true just becasue it is said by somebody wearing white clothes. Doctors in a way also a victim of this systemn - they are not infallible. During their study time they not only got trained, but also: indoctrinated. ;) Maybe you find you are better off with doing like I have done: changing doctors.





Not compoelte at all, just a very first quick start for newbies: to get an idea what names maybe to look out for on a certain topic, and get an imopresison of these peopole writingk, talking. On sweeteners, in the mean while I got more education and see them even more critical now than back then when I wrote that. Thats secton maybe needs a rework, or should be deleted and replaced. The rest I leave as it is, its good arguments from good people in their fields. Some of them can be seen as academical heavyweights.


https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=248814

[em2nought]

I won't be eating bugs so the woke can go get stuffed on them. :D

[Platapus]

Lab meat may have some uses, but until the price of traditional dead animals becomes prohibitive there will still be commercial facilities messing up the environment.

[Buddahaid]

I won't be eating bugs so the woke can go get stuffed on them. :D

How do you know you? They're just hiding in the raisin bran.

[Platapus]

I won't be eating bugs so the woke can go get stuffed on them. :D




If you are purchasing commercial food, you ARE eating some bugs..... and a lot more. :D

[Platapus]

BTW, the FDA calls them "food defects"


https://www.fda.gov/food/ingredients-additives-gras-packaging-guidance-documents-regulatory-information/food-defect-levels-handbook#using


You are not eating rat poop or insects, but "food defects". Sounds a lot nicer huh?

[Skybird]

Lab meat may have some uses, but until the price of traditional dead animals becomes prohibitive there will still be commercial facilities messing up the environment.
I would say meat with the "Bio" label - you call that organic meat in English or not? - already gets sold at prohibitive prices. 200 gr of ordinary beef (not even some special steak) I saw on Monday for 24 Euros.

Will get worse, and that is wanted: to educate people to "voluntarily" turn into vegetarians and vegans. The state propaganda leaves no doubt on where the voyage goes. Some of German minsters (Özdemir, Habeck) even have said in the past before this government they want meat to become unaffordbale so that people do not eat it anymore because they cannot pay the price for it. Both of them are vegans.

[em2nought]

I'm sure they'll be pushing for no burials or cremations either so Soylent Green here we come. :D Either that or they'll squeeze the juice out of us like on Dune. :D

[Skybird]

I'm sure they'll be pushing for no burials or cremations either so Soylent Green here we come. :D Either that or they'll squeeze the juice out of us like on Dune. :D
Indeed composting services are booming in some nations funeral businesses. No joke.

[Reece]

There's no way I would give up meat, Porterhouse steak, lamb loin chops etc - mmm yum!! :yep:

[Jimbuna]

BEEF curry :yeah:

[em2nought]

...and they'll steal our bones to make fertilizer for their veggie "meat", just like the dead from Waterloo. :salute:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-10927393/Bones-soldiers-killed-battlefield-Waterloo-stolen-sold-FERTILISER.html