Dallas Airshow Collision

[Buddahaid]

A B17 and a P63 collided today. I don't think there were any survivors.
https://www.npr.org/2022/11/12/1136307205/dallas-airshow-bomber-collision-faa-ntsb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbR-_n2P6to

[Platapus]

That's terrible.


I would be surprised if anyone could survive that. :(

[Skybird]

Invite the devil for a dance, but dont be surprised if he he puts up a tune that makes your dancing feet burn hotter than you like.



Tragic. Unneeded.

[les green01]

That's terrible and a shame

[Buddahaid]

What strike me is it looks like nothing more than a bad mistake. Both aircraft look controlled and stable so I'm guessing the P63 pilot just couldn't see the B17 during his turning maneuver.

[Rockstar]

What strike me is it looks like nothing more than a bad mistake. Both aircraft look controlled and stable so I'm guessing the P63 pilot just couldn't see the B17 during his turning maneuver.

Sure looks like it. I’m no investigator but at first glance it seems as though the B17 was under the nose of the P-63. Sad day.

[August]

Invite the devil for a dance, but dont be surprised if he he puts up a tune that makes your dancing feet burn hotter than you like.



Tragic. Unneeded.


:roll:

[les green01]

Sure looks like it. I’m no investigator but at first glance it seems as though the B17 was under the nose of the P-63. Sad day.

what it looks like,lost of lives and two old birds seem like b-17 that is flyable getting hard to find if i remember

[Jimbuna]

So tragic :nope:

[Skybird]

What strike me is it looks like nothing more than a bad mistake. Both aircraft look controlled and stable so I'm guessing the P63 pilot just couldn't see the B17 during his turning maneuver.
Kind of my first impression, too. The P-63 pilot I think misjudged the distance between his wing and the bomber. Humans are imperfect. Errors happen. Thats why I think it is not smart to artifically and unneededly reduce margins for possible errors to zero. Sometimes you catch the bear - sometimes the bear catches you.

[Catfish]

Terrible.

"did not see the other plane" ? – during flight being aware of airspace around your plane and general situation awareness is mandatory, especially during air shows and formation flying.. so could also be a technical fault from a snapped wire to whatnot.

[iambecomelife]

Some good footage of the B-17 and the crewmen involved just before the incident; I suppose some of the people shown in this video lost their lives. Also several other WWII aircraft from different countries.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mT0LZJaKeDY

They clearly put on a good show before the disaster - aviation regs aren't really my thing, so I can't speculate about what mistake(s) were made beyond the obvious.

[mapuc]

There will come changes to these shows.

I could very well imagine following-When one plane is in the air no other can be in the surroundings of the area where the first plane is doing its demonstration for the spectators Further more the first plane is doing its demonstration away from the crowd-Like they have in Sweden.

Markus

[iambecomelife]

There will come changes to these shows.

I could very well imagine following-When one plane is in the air no other can be in the surroundings of the area where the first plane is doing its demonstration for the spectators Further more the first plane is doing its demonstration away from the crowd-Like they have in Sweden.

Markus

Yes; I seem to remember that, after the Ramstein Air Show Disaster (67 spectators killed), aviation spectacles in Europe became subject to lots of new regulations, and nothing with a similar death toll has happened since then.

I think the only consolation about this incident is that it was not like Ramstein, no dozens of spectators killed by airplane parts - it could have been much worse. :hmmm:

[Buddahaid]

Terrible.

"did not see the other plane" ? – during flight being aware of airspace around your plane and general situation awareness is mandatory, especially during air shows and formation flying.. so could also be a technical fault from a snapped wire to whatnot.

One would think but several times I have found a pedestrian in a crosswalk moving at exactly the right speed to stay hidden behing the A pillar of my car when I was making a left turn. The video shows a similar thing happening where the B17 remains directly in front and just below the nose of the P63.

[les green01]

it was confirmed that 6 died https://www.npr.org/2022/11/13/1136346487/dallas-airshow-midair-collission-fatalties

[razark]

I am saddened by the loss. The B-17 was based in my area for many years, and I've seen her on many occasions. The last was only two weeks ago during the airshow in Houston.


The only consolation I can find is that there were no passengers aboard at the time.

[August]

I understand that at some point earlier that day the B17 flew with one of the original WW2 crew members on board.

[Platapus]

If you watch the videos of the accident on YouTube, whatever you do, don't read the comments.



Some of them are quite disgusting. :nope:

[Aktungbby]

One would think but several times I have found a pedestrian in a crosswalk moving at exactly the right speed to stay hidden behing the A pillar of my car when I was making a left turn. The video shows a similar thing happening where the B17 remains directly in front and just below the nose of the P63.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1591541681798668291
I've had bad experiences with pillars in my car, my big rig, and once in a Cessna in 1975, at an uncontrolled airfield, coming in on a 45⁰ to the downwind leg landing pattern at 500 feet altitude! throttled back to idle. The other aircraft was suddenly on my port 110⁰ and slightly low; Close?... the lone occupant was wearing a red tie! Upon the keen-eyed instructor's snap-rolling us away from a collision, I then regained level flight, increased RPMs, did a touch and go landing and circled the field to see if the other Cessna had augured in and then flew back to base, exited the aircraft...and never flew again. His overwing had blinded him to my approach 'till almost too late. Three years of ensuing interstate trukkin' made up somewhat for the adventure deficit??! I'll probably pass on a bomber ride at the next local airshow.

[Jimbuna]

If you watch the videos of the accident on YouTube, whatever you do, don't read the comments.



Some of them are quite disgusting. :nope:

Aren't they just :yep:

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcWdHEIW7_s

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rumZ1jc74f4

[Aktungbby]

YIPES! https://aerocorner.com/blog/worst-air-show-disasters/ Here's one I saw in 1979 at the Reno Air races: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cc6bhjys0g4 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/RB-51_in_the_Reno_Pits.jpg/300px-RB-51_in_the_Reno_Pits.jpgHinton finished the race in second place, but crashed short of the runway. Although the plane's fuel erupted in a fireball, the cockpit was thrown away from the fire and Hinton survived with a broken back, leg, and ankle.

[les green01]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xClm33S3nNs

[les green01]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRVqg-pCb6o

[Aktungbby]

"Dumb, dangerous, and different"...the Air Boss of the show, on the ground directing all the participants, ordered a shift 'twixt the 500 ft. bomber line and the 1000 ft. fighter safety lines...without any particular necessity to do so; and needs to head for Mexico; while he still can! It's fortunate no spectators or innocent nearby highway motorists were struck by falling debris.:hmmm:

[Buddahaid]

"Dumb, dangerous, and different"...the Air Boss of the show, on the ground directing all the participants, ordered a shift 'twixt the 500 ft. bomber line and the 1000 ft. fighter safety lines...without any particular necessity to do so; and needs to head for Mexico; while he still can! It's fortunate no spectators or innocent nearby highway motorists were struck by falling debris.:hmmm:

Yeah I watched that video a few days ago and I'm thinking the Air Boss is feeling pretty badly at this point. The final report will be interesting.

[Rockstar]

Dumb, dangerous and different is no way to go through life son. That’s right up there with passing belly up, losing eye contact and assuming the location of a bomber.

Makes me wonder if an experienced Reno Air Race pilot would have seen the signs and not have passed in the same manner.

DO YOUR OWN NAVIGATING.