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Skybird
10-14-22, 04:55 AM
Deutsche Welle writes:

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DW reporter Dana Regev was surprised when she arrived in Germany from Israel and discovered how seriously Germans take their privacy.

Before I am already criticized for the headline, I would like to make one thing clear at this point: I fully support the efforts of those people who want to protect their own data and control how organizations, companies or governments use it.

Speaking of companies: Apple, for example, has repeatedly faced harsh criticism from European privacy activists who claim the company uses software that tracks the behavior of iPhone users.

A Vienna-based non-governmental organization called NOYB (the acronym stands for: My Privacy is None of Your Business) has even asked data protection authorities in Germany to look into the legality of its special identifier for advertisers (IDFA), which it says amounts to tracking without users' knowledge or consent - a practice banned under the European Union's strict data protection rules.

If you're from a country that doesn't have such strict privacy rules, you're in for a surprise in Germany.

Almost all of my German friends use pseudo names on Facebook, Twitter or Instagram - if they use these apps at all. Some are very creative in choosing their name, others generate an alter ego by splitting their own first name, like my friend "Chris Tina" or my longtime neighbor "Alex Ander".

I opened my Facebook account in 2007 during a visit to the US. At the time, I was just naive and wanted to stay in touch with people who were close to me in some way through this social media platform.

Why I should hide my own name from my family or school friends was - and still is - a complete mystery to me. In the meantime, I understand why some Germans do this.
Woman standing in front of a wall with facebook written on it, looking at her smartphone.

"For me, it's not so much about Facebook finding information about me. I'm registered with a pseudo email address anyway," "Isa Belle," a 34-year-old German teacher from Cologne, says on Telegram, asking not to use her full name. "I especially don't want my students to find me on these platforms and stalk me in any way. Or that future employers find out about me on the social media platforms," she explains. "I just want to make it a little harder for people to track me down and get a glimpse into my private life."

When the topic of privacy comes up in conversations with family or friends in my native Israel, many wave it off, claiming, "Whoever wants certain information about you will find it one way or another."

Some even prefer to give companies easier access to their data, as an old friend of mine does: "If I'm going to be bombarded with advertising, it should be advertising that interests me," she explains.

Speaking of advertising. That's one of several things Germans are pretty allergic to. Sure, it's probably inevitable to encounter advertising on the Internet. But why should we voluntarily give companies easier access to our wallets?

Philipp Hermann, a 33-year-old IT worker from Berlin who proudly tells me he doesn't have a Facebook or Instagram profile, is extremely sensitive to online advertising: "People think they're immune. That in the worst case, they'll buy one or two more things than they planned - but they don't realize how much more they end up consuming," he says.

As someone who works in the IT industry, he admits that he may be more sensitive than the average person when it comes to sharing personal information. And not just because it could lead to impulsive shopping. For him, and for many others, it's about keeping things to himself as much as possible.

"To anyone who would ask me 'Why are you hiding?"' I would like to ask the counter question, 'Why not?" he says, "especially given what certain governments are doing with our data."

I'm embarrassed by how many of my passwords have been exposed "in a third-party data breach," according to Google. So I've always respected the decision of my German friends and colleagues to protect themselves against leaks and security breaches.

But it never occurred to me that some consequences could be far more tragic. "One of my friends is an activist, and her data was published on neo-Nazi forums," reveals IT expert Hermann. "She had to change her phone number and even considered moving out of her shared apartment for fear of her roommates."
Computer screen shows a triangle with exclamation mark and the writing Virus. Around it are many zeros and ones.

Another close friend of mine, an immigrant in Germany who is involved in various social issues, is constantly harassed by one of his neighbors who found him on Facebook and noticed what different political views they have. That same neighbor has since found my profile.

"It's not just about this or that ad," says "Isa Belle": "It's about who can access my data and for what purposes. Since I can't possibly find out, my motto is 'the fewer companies - the better'."
They're not rude - they're just reticent

About a month after I met my current partner (a German), I tried calling him on the (real) phone because I didn't have a sufficient internet connection to reach him on platforms like Telegram, WhatsApp or FaceTime. It turned out that his number was not active.

I realized that I had been communicating with him all along through a number he used exclusively for online dating. We obviously didn't know each other long enough for him to have given me his "real" number.

"I used to have a stalker!" he said when I tearfully confronted him and seriously considered breaking up. "You never know who's on those apps!" he tried to win back my trust.

The relationship miraculously survived, but I still give new acquaintances my real number. As for my boyfriend, he continues to give his "fake" number even during promising job interviews, so I have since accepted that this practice was not directed at me personally.

For now, I think I'll keep my real name and email address associated with my social accounts, but at least after six years in Germany, I can say that I understand the Germans' reticence a little better.

https://www.dw.com/de/warum-deutschen-ihre-online-daten-heilig-sind/a-56377802

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I feel well described here, i admit I tick like in that description, too. My telephone number is white-listed, and can be accessed only from regional vicinity and from smartphones - cable telephones from outside the city and directly surrounding districts cannot find it, only people whose calling number I whitelisted before. I use five email adresses, sorted for purpose and senders/receivers. My smartphone is often off, often i do not take it with me, and my only social media is - Subsim :D . I do not shop online in ever new shops at all, I have a steam, a paypal (again, it was an on-off-on-off-on thing), an Amazon, a Thalia (ebook) and an Ebay account. I avoid opening new accounts and give away bank data, if possible I pay via paypal, where that is not possible, I most likely will chose to not buy. I run two bank accounts, one with low amounts of money only, for online connectivity and the needs of the month, this one I occasionally "charge" from the other account at another bank where the real money :) is. No online activity for this second one! The data never is given away, to nobody. Even transfers to charge the first account I do manually, at the bank.

Is locking your housedoor when leaving, paranoid? I dont think so. Evolution means the one survives who adapts successfully to his living environment. Mine is filled with fraudsters, cheaters, plunderers, robbers and liars. I adapt. Thats the clever thing to do.

Shady Bill
10-14-22, 11:52 AM
Maybe in Germany your data is more protected than in the United States.

Here, you can find out a highly detailed information about people for very little money.


My 17 year old daughter met a "boy" online, they became close friends and spent 100s of hours playing xbox together during covid shutdowns. He sent her a gift, I intercepted this, of course, got his name and signed up for a background check service for the mere price of $9.99/month.

Long story short; she was talking to a 27 year old felon from Florida, who had completely convinced her they should be together, and he was planning to visit her.


I found out everything about the guy, and I mean everything. It is amazing what you can do when you combine paid, online background check services with traditional online searches on Facebook and such.

Confronting him with what I knew, who I knew he knew, and the fact that I knew every detail about his legal on-goings, even though this person lived 2000 miles away, seemed to scare him more than any threat I could ever make. I never heard from him again. The 12 gauge remained nicely mounted above the couch.


In the US, nothing is private. If someone wants to know everything about you, they can.

Jimbuna
10-14-22, 02:39 PM
^ Similar here in the UK but the difference being....you need to know the right people.

Skybird
10-14-22, 03:17 PM
I have a class-4 high security front door. That thing weighs 140 kg I think, is 8 cm thick, massive hard wood and three layers of plated steel, magnetic key cylinder, and if two times turning the key three dozen anchorpoints are locking the door leaf in the door frame.

Still, the thing can be opened, if need be. I know it, since it happened, I had locked myself out 2 and a half years ago. They needed almost 3 hours to open the doorlock, by destroying the cyclinder and the mechanism of the bars. It costed me a thousand Euros to replace that. If that would have failed they would have needed to destroy the whole door - leaf and frame, evertyhing. Then that woudl have costed me four tiem sa smuch - plus the costs for rebuilding the wall.

Its not about making it impossible to break into your house or home. Its about making it difficult, and at least not mindlessly leaving the door invitingly open.

Many people are doing the latter, metaphorically. They post on FB and Twitter, give their intimate data away without thinking twice, and say "I have nothing to hide, why would anyone mean harm to me"? Well, shall we make a list? The night will fly by in no time, promised.

Also, data you gave away or have lost, is away. And law environments change over longer times, political sysytems, government orientations _ just look at what the Donals has done to the pollical climate i n the US, and what woluld become of the Us if he had his way - you would not recognize it anymore. You do not know if the post you posted today maybe in 15 years will bring you into conflict with the law of the time then. Snowden named his book not for no reason "Permanent Record".

BTW, you can safely assume that TOR and VPN can and have been hacked already. The data surveillance is all automatically. All AI. All filtering of the data is done all by itself, without human superivisors overwatching every step. No human overwatch needed. Snowden was mercilessly clear about that. And that technology he werote ab out is now twenty years old!

But if somebody one day notices you for something, he might decide that it is about to change your anonym,ity, and thnaks to Bush Junior then all the past anonymously collected nad per,mantely saved data can be accesses and acitvely searched and analysed. And then deeds from your far away past suddenly will show up again and will be used against you. We are clearly marching towards complete and total surveillance, and the state control everywhere claims more and more power, and move us towards totalitarianism. Even in Germany and the EU. Even in the US. And it is all for a good cause, always, of course. The good cause.

When I am being told about these "good causes" these days, I am nowadays tempted to immediately open fire at the messenger.

And then there are those who cannot stand that people are not all the same and are not Borg at all, but stay separate, not readable like a crystal orb and fully transparent, these people want to enforce social norms of behaviour that infantilize us and destroy any social distance by enforcing total openess to total intimacy with every stranger - private or business-profit-oriented, or the state. Thats why I react allergic and very aggressive to this habit of calling every adult stranger I never met before by his first name from beginning on, or if I get adressed by strangers with the German "Du". Its not only unpolite. Its overstepping a red line, a social distance line. Its an attack to make be accept the other getting under my skin.

Some salesmen in stores already got highly discouraging and rude returns from me for their infantility or impertinence, depending on how you rate it - in principle, this kind of behaviour is both.

Job employers already now seek the web for private information about candidates wanting a job. The EU wants to enforce anonymous emplying procedures, to suppress racism or m igrant hostility or any other form of ressentiments. This is a reason why I, if I were an entrepreneur, would not found an enterprise in the EU. I do not accept this (or group or gender quota, for that matter). If its my money and my accoutnability and my decision on the fate of the company i founded, then I rule whom I let work for me and whom not. If that is not accepted by governments, then that government will not see me making myself vulnerbale to it by founding a company under its legal administration.

Shady Bill
10-14-22, 04:44 PM
I have a class-4 high security front door. That thing weighs 140 kg I think, is 8 cm thick, massive hard wood and three layers of plated steel, magnetic key cylinder, and if two times turning the key three dozen anchorpoints are locking the door leaf in the door frame.

It costed me a thousand Euros to replace that.

A class-4 security door?? lol what do you store in your home? gold bars?

My locks are $40 for a set of two at Menards. If you go to menards now and buy a lock...good chance you could open my doors :har: For 1000 Euros you could replace every outside door to my home, and still be left with 500 Euros :haha:

I guess I am a bit of a hillbilly. I am not into politics but fiercely believe in my right to own and bear arms. I think gun laws are silly. That's why in Europe, with no guns, you get stabbed to death everywhere you go.

I have small stickers on each door that enters either my homestead or property. They are sort of like Alarm company stickers. I think Ruger used to sell them. They simple state; "All trespassers will be shot on sight". It is a simple statement. I guess thieves will have to decide how badly they want my laptop or television set :haha:

mapuc
10-14-22, 05:30 PM
Well I can't say if he was correct when this young man said in a Computer program where they discussed social media.

They had interviewet people on the street and one of them said that he didn't have FB so they don't know anything about him.

Here this computer nerd/expert on social media said.

FB is so integrated that even when you doesn't have an account they know a lot about you.

Example you send a text message to a friend/family member-This person have fb on their phone and fb read people messages ingoing and outgoing.

They(FB) also know a lot about people on a page or forum if this page or forum have direct contact to FB.

(I tried to remember all of it, I could have forgot some words or added some who wasn't said in this program)

Markus

Skybird
10-14-22, 05:48 PM
A class-4 security door?? lol what do you store in your home? gold bars?
Some valueables, too, yes, but also my home. My refugium. My private realm. Where I store not opnly fincial treausres, but also sentimentla values. My library. Items of memory value. My defenceless sleeping body at night.

Mein Zuhause - my HOME.

It is very precious to me, I cannot randomly trade it for any other place, I want to live in this place and flat ands house and not in any random other, comparable or not.

Yes, about my home I am particular - and extremely aggressive when it comes to wh,m I let in and whom not. I am an extremely territorial animal.

I have a theory that there are two types of people: castle nidiculous people, and castle fledglings. :D. I am one of the first, and if I do not have such a protected, cozy, "gemütlich" place, I feel not good, but uncomfortable, misplaced, uncomplete, alarmed. Its extremely important for me. I would even kill in defence of my home against burglars. Thats why I do not do longer bike tours and stay somewhere over night in a hotel or so. Staying somewhere away over night feels unattractive to me, eve alarming. Leaving the castle over the day is okay, but comes night I want to be back, in safety, the portcullis down, the drawbridge raised.

BTW, a solid and expensive lock makes no sense if your door is not of according quality. And watching how modern cheap doors are made and look inside, is frightening. More air and light wood than substance. Main port is that they are cheap and light. They cna be eaisly bend and sitored and have holes kicked into them, they are a bad joke. And the robustnesss is according to the price - what do you expect for 200 Euros?. But there is a reason why we build doors in outer walls than can be locked. Its to keep others outside that want to come inside without being welcomed. Especially in own absence.


In Europe, we rate door security on a scale with six resistance classes (RC). Most doors are RC1, and are easy to be opened, even I can do it, easily. A solid door also is a good protection against fire.

Skybird
10-14-22, 06:02 PM
FB is so integrated that even when you doesn't have an account they know a lot about you.

Yes, that is true, and kn own sicne years. Call it surf-bye data catching - even if yopu are a visiotr only and refuse their terms when they open that window, theyx already have started to collect data on you and form a proivisory account to collect any later data form your IP on that account, too.



Its not impertinent - its criminal in my book, because it is in defiance of the law sover here. And they try to hide iot from the people.


Twitter the same, btw.



I hate Twitter and FB and the likes, therefore. When i had given up Oculus last year and got a new, different VR headset, I reinstalled the rig to get rid of any hidden stuff of theirs.



I also do not buy hardware like certain logitech mice that need registration and account creation to unlock all their functionality.


I also boycott payment via smartphone. Consumer socring card (a la Payback etc). Payment via credit card. I pay cash. I completely oppose the extermination of cash money.

mapuc
10-14-22, 06:49 PM
I have FB due to my Danish friends-Every online friend I have in Denmark-Are on FB. I have tried so many times to get them over to a Danish forum(Had to create one)or to join us...they are not interested they are addicted to fb even when they get fb-prison for 30 days-they stay there.

Here is something really funny.
Some years ago the Danish government decided to log peoples surfing and their phone calls(From where to where). I tell you fb was filled with people who was demonstrating against this.

Here comes the funny thing. The Danish government have so many regulation they have to follow when logging a private persons surf on the web-While FB does not and can sell your behaviour to whoever they want.
It's a contradiction in other words

Epilog

EU Court have said it's forbidden for the Danish state to log peoples surfing and use of phone.

Markus

Shady Bill
10-15-22, 12:32 PM
A solid door also is a good protection against fire.

I have never seen someone get so excited about protective doors :D You certainly live to the beat of your own drum Skybird :up:


Quite frankly, I am starting to question the quality of my own cheap locks.

They are shiny bronze looking things. Made in China. The metal seems rather thin. I was once locked out and tried to get into the house through the bathroom window. I broke the window and still was unable to enter :oIn frustration i went to the barn, took out a screwdriver and hammer and smashed the flathead into the lock, to my amazement it turned and opened!

I did end up replacing it with the identical lock though. The $40 set buys you two knobs. It is the same key btw. Very easy.

Shady Bill
10-15-22, 12:41 PM
Here comes the funny thing. The Danish government have so many regulation they have to follow when logging a private persons surf on the web
Markus

They should have your queen not only run Denmark, but also possibly the world. Anyone who can fire and then dismiss their own bratty grandchildren is a shining star in my book. The world would be a better place with more of this leadership.

I have always had the greatest respect for Margrethe 2 (and she is easy on the eyes also, what a classic beauty oO).

mapuc
10-15-22, 01:20 PM
They should have your queen not only run Denmark, but also possibly the world. Anyone who can fire and then dismiss their own bratty grandchildren is a shining star in my book. The world would be a better place with more of this leadership.

I have always had the greatest respect for Margrethe 2 (and she is easy on the eyes also, what a classic beauty oO).


Our beloved Queen is strait forward. Remember some years ago, well many years ago, where a reporter asked the Majesty if it was ok she smoke as people look up to her as an idol-Her reply
- You mind your own business and I will mind mine own

As in UK we have also party and people who is against our Danish Queen.

Me!? I don't care if we have a Queen/King or a President.

Markus

Shady Bill
10-15-22, 06:58 PM
As in UK we have also party and people who is against our Danish Queen.


Markus


There are perverts everywhere. Your queen is a true humanitarian.