Chess Match: Shady Bill vs. Skybird

[Skybird]

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Rules as announced in the other chess thread and if Bill does no object (LINK (https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=253519&page=2)): No active chess engines. Theory books allowed, if desired, its quite common in correspondence chess, since always, theoretical studying always has been part of CC. Personally I will not use databases on PC or chessbase servers, but will not object to Bill using such help: the line between books and databases is a bit difficult to draw. I will use the Chessbase Fritz GUI without active engine and without open statistics windows to log the match and create position diagrams. In all other regards the software will be "off", passive.

Audience comments, friendly jokes are fine as long as they do not provide aid, tips for the players, suggested future moves.

We already had such matches in General Topics back in 2008.



Your move: 1. e2-e4 My move: 1. .../ d7-d6

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edited: for adding pics.

[Von Due]

Oh nice! I'm such a terrible player but I do enjoy a game of pure, good old chess. Will folow as much as time will allow.

[Jimbuna]

Ditto

[blackswan40]

The smart moneys on Skybird he's a black belt fourth dan at whack a squirrel
and he aint too bad at chess also :D

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=1223&pictureid=12755

[Von Due]

Oooh this could be a challenger to chess dot com's duck chess. Squirrel chess!

[Skybird]

Well - Bill!? You wanted a match being set up, and here it is. Shall we play or have you changed your mind?

[Eichhörnchen]

https://i.imgur.com/NSxQnv2.jpg I was quite looking forward to this, too....

[Catfish]

Hey give him time, remember those letter-driven tournaments took ages :03:

Blackswan's squirrel is for 3d-chess :)

[mapuc]

Hey give him time, remember those letter-driven tournaments took ages :03:

Blackswan's squirrel is for 3d-chess :)

True. However Skybird and Bill should agree on some time rules. Let say within 48 hours a player shall have made a move.

Lets hope he is alright.

Markus

[Catfish]

^ Yep.

I just played two online chess games, one win one loss.
Loss because of time limit of overall 15 minutes i was not aware of :nope:
Not logged in or anything, just playing as a guest.
Was playing like a fool, forgot everything lol

[mapuc]

I got this crazy idea.

First of all Lets hope it's a technical problem behind his absent.

My idea.

I don't know how many of you is what I would call an average chess player.

The idea is to gather 4 to 5 of you and you play against one good chess player.
(example Skybird)
You discuss moves in PBs and one of these 4-5 player is the one who makes the move

Or SubSim against one player chess tournament

Markus

[Skybird]

True. However Skybird and Bill should agree on some time rules. Let say within 48 hours a player shall have made a move.

Lets hope he is alright.

Markus
Good idea. In CC, back then it was 120 days for 40 moves, so on average 3 days per move, post running times not counted.

I have free time aplenty, and should be able to post one move per day most of the time. I suggest we at least give if not a move then a sign of life every three days.

Bill has joined the board just this month, maybe he has already hopped out again, who knows.



(example Skybird)

Jaaa... immer mal alle auf den armen Skybird, war ja klar... :D

[Catfish]

Klaaar auf wen sonst :D

[mapuc]

Jaaa... immer mal alle auf den armen Skybird, war ja klar... :D

Sorry But you have posted so many threads and comments about Chess so i presumed that you are or was a top player.

In my idea anyone who feel s/he is brave enough or good enough to play against 4-5 other members.

My idea isn't new-I have seen on tv where one top player played against 5 others-He walked around looked at the board made a move and went on to the next player.

Markus

[Skybird]

My idea isn't new-I have seen on tv where one top player played against 5 others-He walked around looked at the board made a move and went on to the next player.
Thats called Simultanschach, =simultaneous exhibition. The many players do not flock together and disucss their next move, but each of them plays his own lonesome match against usually some high profile star player. Say a professional league player or a grandmaster. Its for the publicity, sponsoring, and to promote the sports.

In official CC tournaments in any kind of class-format, you usually play against several players two matches, with both colours, at the same time. Say the trounament group has seven players, than ever yplayer plays 12 matches at the same time.

And suddenly the avergae of 3 days per move time can become quite short, if you have several critical positions, and your real life to run as well..

Sorry But you have posted so many threads and comments about Chess so i presumed that you are or was a top player.
Back then, when I was fully at it, I was not bad, but there also were so many better players. But in CC I always was significantly stronger than in live table chess, and this although traianers in chess clubs tell people to play CC as well just for the purpose to educate themselves in theory. CC is a theory booster, you know, and there are people who claim that in the romantic era, before PCs, many CC top champions probably were stronger players than table chess champions. But I also described that over the past 30 years I have much declined in skill, due to lacking practice and having forgotten too much. Who rests too long must rust and finally rot. I see myself pretty much as a below average amateur these days. And I overlook things that back then I never would fallen victim too. Thats why I prefer CC now exclusively, it gives me far more time for checking it all, and recheck, and then check it again, and again. That way in CC I can minimise my tpyicla wekaness and maximise my strength, which is in depth analysis, but I cannot do that this good under time pressure at a table. I analyse on two boards for example. that I playe dblind chess late in my school time is a thing hard to beoleive for me nowadays. I cannto do that today anymore, I lack the memory and imagination. I hate fast chess and bullet chess.

Too fast for me, way to less time. I cannot process things that fast.

[Shady Bill]

I just logged back in. I saw your gauntlet being thrown in the sand...give me 1 hour to decide on response next move.



so delightful, thank you Skybird

[Shady Bill]

ill go d4 and keep things simple my virtual friend...

[Shady Bill]

Niemann is my coach in this Skybird match. He is sitting in the audience and blinking the next move in morse code with his eyeballs.

[Sean C]

I will also be following this thread.

And this ↓ is a great idea, too.

SubSim [...] chess tournament

[Skybird]

Now the swing is on! :up:


your move 2. d2-d4 my move 2. .../Ng8-f6

[mapuc]

Skybird should use the board in his first post, so we who follow their game can see progress.
So far you can see their first moves.

Markus

[Skybird]

Skybird should use the board in his first post, so we who follow their game can see progress.
So far you can see their first moves.

Markus
Thy wish is my command. But i had that on mind anyway, you impatient padawan. ;)

https://i.postimg.cc/ht6pYyBV/Chessposition2.jpg (https://postimg.cc/3kjX4ZWw)

after 2. d4/Nf6

The tournament idea, we had that done in 2008. You guys are free to start your own matches. I can provide diagrams, where desired, and keep a little track.



Back then I played also, several matches, and I still feel bad for that poor guy whose match back then I - just forgot, in the middle of the match. Somehow, it fell off my radar that we were playing, I finished the other matches, but him, I just forgot him and so it ended in Nirvana. I still feel bad for that, it must have been disappointing for him. Later, much later I found out by some chance and then sent him a PM and apologized for my behaviour, but got no reply. I do not complain. I forgot who it was. I hope he did not throw himself in front of a car in despair. Hey man, if by chance you read this, serious: my fault it was, it was no bad intention. Please accept my apology, even if this late. I just messed up my match records, and yours landed in the bin by error.



Had never happened before, and never again since then.

[mapuc]

Chess is one if not the most known strategy game.

So much do I know-I also know there's a battle between to chess players. What I do not know is-When one of them plays defensive or offensive.

Markus

[Skybird]

What I do not know is-When one of them plays defensive or offensive.

Just follow the tears. :D

I - or others - can explain some things later on, but you certainly understand that neither will I give away ideas that in the future of the match maybe will become relevant and so giving them away early would be to my disadvantage, nor will I say anything that compromises Bill or works to his disadvantage. But to have a little chatter and talk about events earlier in the game that are no longer relevant is the idea behind having this all as a public exibition match on a board where people can watch, else players could just play either via PM or on an online site or - in my case - prefer to just launch a chess app, give it a handicap and then play the AI. Because honestly said, and speaking for myself only, if I want to play a live match at the board/table in one rush, i do not car whether I play a human or an app. To m e its the same result: I play an opponent in one rush, in one session. Mostly, I do not do that. The fun of this match for me lies in the setting of a forum match.

At home I sometimes run longtime matches against the chess app on my PC dektop, I open it once a day, get the AI's moves (after frustratingly short time...) and then think on my move, and maybe go in and out of that app severla times over the day, until I enter a move. That way I play a match with the AI over several days, as if it were CC. The qualit yof my plays is on a much hiughe rlkevel this way, becasue I run much lower risk to fall for stupid easy mistakes and overlooking things, and sometimes good ideas ripe wioth time, not in just ten mionutes of analysis. I know how it feels to sit 3 or 4 hours at the board and table in a tournament, I did that at school age and immediately after school, in s club, but I never liked it, and never liked tournament settings at all. Today, I just do not have the patience for such things. Hours and hours, no. I run in intervals now.



I have Fritz 11, so its very old now. I had other engiones, too, but I do not care anymore.


Same way I do sometimes with my Android mobiles. Here, i mostly use Shredder for Android. Genius also is isntalled. For sentimental reasons and remembering the good ol' times. :D

But there are so many good choices, and evertyhing that was coded in the past ten years or so is a killer if not run with handicaps or auto-adjusting difficulty levels (very good method, btw.). Chess in parts has become a "solved" game, like Checkers.

[Jimbuna]

Just follow the tears. :D

:haha::har:

[Shady Bill]

3. f3


When I play much stronger rated players than myself, I tend to do two things;
1) Try to get away from main lines quickly, knowing their opening theory is most likely much better than mine 2) I try to bog them down in horse manure. kneedeep, dirty, smelly manure.

I envision the chessboard to be a dark, wet, damp field. A terrible place of death. Trench warfare like that of WWI. I want to create confusion and frustration.

I prefer closed games, leaving little room for movement.

I value my cavalry over my clergy.


Will Skybird win? and at what cost? War is ugly, but necessary.



Your move :Kaleun_Cheers:

[mapuc]

It's not called offensive play or opening it's called aggressive play/openings.

Here's a video about 7 known aggressive openings

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTji0RwUbKk&t=200s

When it comes to defensive play there's a lot of video and all is about black. Those I have been looking at.

Markus

[Shady Bill]

I set up two of my boards for the match. I use my club board which is my roll-up board and I have the largest, heaviest plastic pieces. I love these because they hold up to dropping and falling. Except the ears of the knights. All my ears are missing, from having been dropped. I envision my earless horses strike fear into the hearts of my enemy :o

I also set out my early 20th century Javanese chess board.

They hand carve boards and chess pieces in Java, Indonesia.This is purely
for tourist trade. This started in the late 19th century I believe. The board is nicely carved, it is a much better example than those I have seen online. Early on, these chess sets were carved by artisans in the villages of this region.

My uncle would travel to Indonesia in the 1960-1970s for business, and he gave it to me years later. I guess in his estimation it is a 1910-1920 made set.


I will figure out how to post some pics of it.

[Shady Bill]

Is there anyone who would play a game of Alice chess?

I have had a terrible time finding people to play this with. People who are good at chess, often find it disorienting and frustrating. But it is SO fun!!

It requires you to have two chess boards set up.


The main rule is;

At the beginning of the game, pieces start in their normal positions on board A, while board B starts empty. At each turn, a player can choose whether to move on board A or B. Pieces move the same as they do in standard chess, but, at the completion of its move, a piece goes "through the looking-glass", transferring to the corresponding square on the opposite board. This simple change has dramatic impact on game play.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_chess


Be neat to have a thread for Alice chess variant. Maybe after this match I can convince Skybird to get out his 2nd board haha

[Skybird]

your move 3. f2-f3 my move 3. .../ g7-g6


https://i.postimg.cc/WbHZxT8H/Chessposition1.jpg (https://postimg.cc/6yCTvsDr)bilder einfach hochladen (https://postimages.org/de/)

[Skybird]

1) Try to get away from main lines quickly, knowing their opening theory is most likely much better than mine 2) I try to bog them down in horse manure. kneedeep, dirty, smelly manure.
Thats what I do against computers, to avoid their opening library. That worked wiht table computers in the 80s and 90s. Today databses for endgames and openigns are so huge that it is pratically not possible to make a move that ahsd not been calculated.

Thats why some pro players - including Carlsen for example - argue we should switch to randomised setups in chess, where on the 1st and 8th row all pieces are randomly shuffled (but symmetrical via their opposing counterparts at the other end of the board). That way, the whole known opening theory would be completed invalidated.


Luxury problems of star players. Pffft...

[Skybird]

Is there anyone who would play a game of Alice chess?

I have had a terrible time finding people to play this with. People who are good at chess, often find it disorienting and frustrating. But it is SO fun!!

It requires you to have two chess boards set up.


The main rule is;

At the beginning of the game, pieces start in their normal positions on board A, while board B starts empty. At each turn, a player can choose whether to move on board A or B. Pieces move the same as they do in standard chess, but, at the completion of its move, a piece goes "through the looking-glass", transferring to the corresponding square on the opposite board. This simple change has dramatic impact on game play.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_chess

Be neat to have a thread for Alice chess variant. Maybe after this match I can convince Skybird to get out his 2nd board haha


If you like crazy stuff, try this, its called 5D chess:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmpI9Dn9hIc

Priceless! - "I assembled a death squad of Queens and sent them back to the beginning of the game to assassinate the enemy king by simultaneously checkmating him across 5 different dimensions in 3 different timelines." :har:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OL73o48db7s


Personally, I am conservative, I stick to the proven stuff I know.

[Skybird]

I set up two of my boards for the match. I use my club board which is my roll-up board and I have the largest, heaviest plastic pieces. I love these because they hold up to dropping and falling. Except the ears of the knights. All my ears are missing, from having been dropped. I envision my earless horses strike fear into the hearts of my enemy :o

I also set out my early 20th century Javanese chess board.

They hand carve boards and chess pieces in Java, Indonesia.This is purely
for tourist trade. This started in the late 19th century I believe. The board is nicely carved, it is a much better example than those I have seen online. Early on, these chess sets were carved by artisans in the villages of this region.

My uncle would travel to Indonesia in the 1960-1970s for business, and he gave it to me years later. I guess in his estimation it is a 1910-1920 made set.


I will figure out how to post some pics of it.
With boards, I am a conservative traditionalist as well, but I like some beuaty in these. this is my main board, tournament size, Staunton pieces. I looked for a Staunton set in these colours for over a decade, exactly these proportions in every piece and the knights exactly carved the way they are done here, not different. This set is my ideal for a chess set, down to the smnallest detail. I was obsessed with getting it this way, and I refused to buy dozens of closely looking but not "exactly right"pieces. A bit exccentric possibly, but all the happier I was when I finally found these! Like I do not need ten watches but wanted them for their beautiful looks, I wanted this set as well, I would have paid any price for it. In the end it was very reasonable. I have a few more, very small ones in fine wood, and one 4cm/square- sized board (got it when I was 6 years old, plus the (stored away) Mephisto Exclusive board.



https://i.postimg.cc/m25CzCcD/20210510-134043.jpg (https://postimg.cc/rK5K7dNX)

[mapuc]

Hear hear the match is on both has made their third move-Come and bet on one of them.

Since I do not know which one of them is going to win I have both for 1 for 8.(is that correct ? I'm not families with the betting system you have in UK or USA)
Here it's simple like 2.35-10.00-2.35 which mean if you bet 100 kroner you will get 235 kroner or if it become a REMI 1000 Kr.

Markus

[Shady Bill]

your move 3. f2-f3 my move 3. .../ g7-g6






4. Bg5




I really like your chess set, Skybird. Very beautiful indeed. Gorgeous grain in the wood.



Look forward to see how you decide to respond to above move. It will decide most of the rest of the battle. Be cautious, this bishop's chalice might not contain wine. It could very well be poison. Dressed in robes of white, he may bring only death.

[mapuc]

What about this Tridimensional Chess they play in Star Trek universe ?

That could be fun to learn.

Here is a video on how to play it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvERuXW2_I4

Markus

[Skybird]

4. Bg5

Look forward to see how you decide to respond to above move. It will decide most of the rest of the battle. Be cautious, this bishop's chalice might not contain wine. It could very well be poison. Dressed in robes of white, he may bring only death.


Three moves on my mind. In the end I threw a three sided coin. Could have played any of the others as well.



your move 4. Bc1-g5 my move 4. .../Bf8-g7



https://i.postimg.cc/fLRJNG1J/Chessposition.jpg (https://postimg.cc/XZtVKzjb)upload photo (https://postimages.org/de/)


Probably my last for today.

[Skybird]

What about this Tridimensional Chess they play in Star Trek universe ?

That could be fun to learn.

Here is a video on how to play it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvERuXW2_I4

Markus
Think I better stay with dust cleaning. :D

[Shady Bill]

What about this Tridimensional Chess they play in Star Trek universe ?

That could be fun to learn.


Markus




I always wanted to try that haha that'd be pretty cool to play. Never really looked into it :) I love the board

[mapuc]

I always wanted to try that haha that'd be pretty cool to play. Never really looked into it :) I love the board

One thing is to learn how to play a game like this Tridimensional Chess or ordinary chess and then be good at it.

I know mostly on how to play Chess and the rules somehow..but I fail big time when playing...I can only foresee two steps ahead.

Markus

[Shady Bill]

your move 4. Bc1-g5 my move 4. .../Bf8-g7





5. c2-c3

[Skybird]

5. c2-c3
:) First f3 instead of f4, now c3 instead of c4, eh? I know the Pirc, it was part of my standard repertoire, but this constellation I have never seen before, I think, I do not even know whether it is part of opening theory. Escapist White tries his best to get off track, and traditionalist Black simply sticks to the track. Lets see where this leads. For the time being: traditions, traditions...


your move 5. c2-c3 my move 5. ... / Nb8-d7

https://i.postimg.cc/9MQDbKht/Chessposition.jpg (https://postimg.cc/JyS74TtG)


edited: Correction. Entered White move incorrectly as c2-c4.

[Gorpet]

One thing is to learn how to play a game like this Tridimensional Chess or ordinary chess and then be good at it.

I know mostly on how to play Chess and the rules somehow..but I fail big time when playing...I can only foresee two steps ahead.

Markus

Oh yes that's what Old Joe Biden and The Bull Putin are playing. From earth to orbit.Three layers and it will be Dynamic for sure. Who will in the end will call Checkmate?

[Skybird]

^ Drop that stuff elsewhere, not here.

[Skybird]

Fun on a sunny but boring sunday: this is my working garage.

https://i.postimg.cc/76xK4YqS/20221009-121714.jpg (https://postimg.cc/rdP1CT0p)

Those 3D visuals work very well, I use them often when occaisonally playing against the PC. As one can see, the board perspective is quite comparable, so is the size of squares and pieces (the real board has 5cm squares and pieces in tournament height, and they are heavy). If I run a match, I would have notation window on and off via keyboard command if need be. In engine-off mode like currently I can click and hold and move pieces like on a real board via mouse. I do not like playing via 2D diagrams - the big contra for me to play on mobile devices. Call me exccentric. I am. :03:

On the right rim you can see my ally, aide and little spy who helps me out by whispering me moves. I never play without some nuts in my pockets.


When i played CC tournaments, I even made notes on paper for ideas and v ariations, becasue over the weeks and mmotnhs and wiht playing upt to a dozen matches simulatenously one could lose track of things. By the end of the match I often had 20-30 pages per match. :D

[mapuc]

A little funny chess related limerick

Me and I play chess together
In the effort to be better
Before meeting a real pro
It became a real blow

Markus

[Skybird]

A little funny chess related limerick

Me and I play chess together
In the effort to be better
Before meeting a real pro
It became a real blow

Markus


:haha: Scherzkeks!

[Jimbuna]

Oh yes that's what Old Joe Biden and The Bull Putin are playing. From earth to orbit.Three layers and it will be Dynamic for sure. Who will in the end will call Checkmate?

^ Drop that stuff elsewhere, not here.

Yes, try to stay on topic.

[Shady Bill]

Hey Skybird, sorry I couldn't post yesterday. Had some family dealings. It is funny with modern day "instant connection" via internet, waiting 1 day seems like forever. Let me think about this 45 min and i will post reply. Your setup is awesome oO

I feel uneasy that I haven't moved many* of my pieces yet, but I feel I did make a semi decent move-order, though it was not a strict traditional opening.

The Pirc is a very strong defense indeed, but it has to be played very precisely or it becomes a mess.




EDIT: many not any

[Skybird]

Hey Skybird, sorry I couldn't post yesterday. Had some family dealings. It is funny with modern day "instant connection" via internet, waiting 1 day seems like forever. Let me think about this 45 min and i will post reply. Your setup is awesome oO

I feel uneasy that I haven't moved any of my pieces yet, but I feel I did make a semi decent move-order, though it was not a strict traditional opening.

The Pirc is a very strong defense indeed, but it has to be played very precisely or it becomes a mess.
All is good, no worries.

I did not mean to criticise or mock your moves in my past comment, I wanted to express that I am perplexed a bit. Variations with f4 are a common line in the Pirc and probably the most aggressive return for White, c4 also is a common line, but both together and this early is unusual, and then not even moving them to the 4th but 3rd line only is really exotic. I am very sure I have never seen this. You wanted to get out of theory, you said earlier, seems you got your will, kind of.

[Shady Bill]

6. Bd3


Fun on a sunny but boring sunday: this is my working garage.

Those 3D visuals work very well, I use them often when occaisonally playing against the PC. As one can see, the board perspective is quite comparable, so is the size of squares and pieces (the real board has 5cm squares and pieces in tournament height, and they are heavy). If I run a match, I would have notation window on and off via keyboard command if need be. In engine-off mode like currently I can click and hold and move pieces like on a real board via mouse. I do not like playing via 2D diagrams - the big contra for me to play on mobile devices. Call me exccentric. I am. :03:
On the right rim you can see my ally, aide and little spy who helps me out by whispering me moves. I never play without some nuts in my pockets.

When i played CC tournaments, I even made notes on paper for ideas and v ariations, becasue over the weeks and mmotnhs and wiht playing upt to a dozen matches simulatenously one could lose track of things. By the end of the match I often had 20-30 pages per match. :D


Yea I also prefer 3D view from the downview. Especially if I can easily see the enemy's side of things. You seemed to have solved that with your nice setup :up:


By ordering f3, I took the opening theory manual, and chucked it out the window. Strong players like yourself hate two things 1) unexpected moves and 2) the ensuing unpredictable chaos.



You are castling kingside, and don't expect sharp counter play from a queenside castled position, I am shoring up central defenses and get ready for a good ol' slugfest Skybird :damn: :D

[Shady Bill]

All is good, no worries.

I did not mean to criticise or mock your moves in my past comment, I wanted to express that I am perplexed a bit. Variations with f4 are a common line in the Pirc and probably the most aggressive return for White, c4 also is a common line, but both together and this early is unusual, and then not even moving them to the 4th but 3rd line only is really exotic. I am very sure I have never seen this. You wanted to get out of theory, you said earlier, seems you got your will, kind of.




Never have to worry about hurting my feelings, this is war Skybird :D


"Hurt feelings" is also a modern day luxury. We had no room for it when I was a young man.

[Skybird]

6. Bd3


your move 6. Bf1-d3 my move 6. ... / c7-c5


https://i.postimg.cc/tCdcYX9m/Chessposition.jpg (https://postimg.cc/zVB7QYbn)


By ordering f3, I took the opening theory manual, and chucked it out the window. Strong players like yourself hate two things 1) unexpected moves and 2) the ensuing unpredictable chaos.Probably you did, but every move the opponent does must be counter-calculated by me anyway, so this way I only start earlier with the process. I do not see it as unpredictable chaos, but undetermined openess.

BTW, "strong" I am only when comparing myself to a weaker player. When comparing myself to a stronger player, then I am the one described as "weak". Its all relative. This forum has had several tens of thousands of visitors and members over the past 20+ years, most of them do not care for general topics or playing chess here. I am quite certain that there would be quite some chessies amongst them who would eat me alive if they would care to participate: because the laws of probability always apply.





You are castling kingside, and don't expect sharp counter play from a queenside castled position, I am shoring up central defenses and get ready for a good ol' slugfest Skybird :damn: :DNot really, the motives you describe are common in the Pirc Defence. Thats why I opted for c5 instead of e5, which was the other possibility, and not necessarily the worse one it would have been, maybe. Playing O-O already now is playable as well, I think, but I learned that Black often is better off in the Pirc when using his tempi for other purposes as long as he must not castle. Its okay to castle in time (and not later...) But going over the flank for your center is - well, "pirc-ier". In other variations there also is the option to play c6, with the idea to later on prevent white doing a long casteling. Obviously I do not want to let you getting into a marching-through in the centre. :03: If that was your plan, forget it. :O:



Hm, I better shut up now. Enemy is listening. :)

[Skybird]

Never have to worry about hurting my feelings, this is war Skybird :D

"Hurt feelings" is also a modern day luxury. We had no room for it when I was a young man.
I later realised that my comment yesterday could be taken in a queer way, as lecturing. At least if the receiver got off the bed with the wrong foot first that morning. That was not the intention, I just was perplexed.

[mapuc]

I open yt and this was what yt gave me as a proposal to watch.

Never heard of this type of chess before

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LwSsqFrlvQ

Markus

[Shady Bill]

I open yt and this was what yt gave me as a proposal to watch.
Never heard of this type of chess before
Markus

That looks insane rofl :k_confused:Pretty looking setup i must say

[Shady Bill]

I later realised that my comment yesterday could be taken in a queer way, as lecturing. At least if the receiver got off the bed with the wrong foot first that morning. That was not the intention, I just was perplexed.


Haha no problem there, I have had much worse said about my chess playing :har:


So of course the obvious, semi-sane next move would be 7. Ne2...but what a drab move that is...


lol...i am considering 7. Qa4? :ping:

(using "?" meaning "questionable move" chess notation)


What a wonderful pin that is. You just told me you want to wait on castling? This would render the black knight on d7 useless until you do so. But my gut tells me the more quiet Ne2 is the correct move.

I have not yet decided on my next move. Please give me an hour or so to consider my options. Starting to have to calculate now.

[Shady Bill]

To my delight, close examination revealed one of 8 ears remaining.



https://i.imgur.com/l2shRJK.jpg




The set-up.





https://i.imgur.com/uIDW4Ih.jpg

[Shady Bill]

7. Ne2


EDIT: I am aware in picture of my chess board set up above, the move order is not yet caught up.

:Kaleun_Salute:

[Skybird]

Got your move, but want to check some esoteric ideas I have on mind before doing the probably obvious move. Not sure about a reply before I go to bed.

What time zone are you in? GMT related, I mean? GMT -6 to -9, I assume? Germany is +1.

Your chess set reminds me of one I once had, a PVC board like yours but with dark brown instead of black squares, and the black figures dark brown as well. Pretty much what you find in chess clubs over here (or simple wood pieces of the Bundesform, I think internationally they are called modern form, like on my PC monitor on the page before).

[Shady Bill]

I'm Eastern Standard time in the US, I believe that is GMT-5.

[Skybird]

7. Ne2


Ehem... the value of esotericism is overated... :haha: I better stick with the proven traditions.


your move 7. Ng1-e2 my move 7. ... / O-O



https://i.postimg.cc/659n1QwK/Chessposition.jpg (https://postimg.cc/c6bvv0rk)


Thats it for today. Good night.

[mapuc]

I had to look that up O-O. After having read it I went back to look at the chessboard and saw what he had done-I knew you could do this I just didn't know they call it Castling

Here is what it says

Simply put, castling is a special rule that allows your king to move two spaces to its right or left, while the rook on that side moves to the opposite side of the king. FIDE, the international organization governing the rules of chess, defines castling this way:

“This is a move of the king and either rook of the same color along the player’s first rank, counting as a single move of the king and executed as follows: the king is transferred from its original square two squares towards the rook on its original square, then that rook is transferred to the square the king has just crossed.”

Markus

[Shady Bill]

Yea, there are two ways to castle; either kingside or queenside.

When players castle opposite sides, you often get very sharp, aggressive play, since pawns can be moved forward toward the enemy's king, without exposing your own king (referred to as "pawn storm").

I personally prefer more positional play and castle same side. It is slower, but it often leads to more congested positional play.


On a side note:


I can highly recommend the chess docu-short called "Street Games" (2009).
It's about a group of semi-homeless chess masters, who man the street boards in San Francisco. These are people who play chess to feed themselves. A bad move, means no food that evening. It gives chess playing a new meaning. It also depicts their struggles with homelessness and substance abuse. It is quite enlightening, how these people ended up on the streets, and why they seem to choose to stay there of their own will.


I bought it on Amazon for $2 or $3US.



https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1500950/

[Shady Bill]

I know when my man of the cloth is no longer welcome. Time for a retreat...


8. Be3


I am having the horrid feeling as white, that I am behind a tempo. Or at least half a tempo. I want to castle, but I think this move has to come first to avoid trouble in the near future. d4 is becoming hot real estate. My initial extension of Bg5 was done thinking I would just force an exchange on the f6 square. Your Nd7 dealt with that threat quickly. I also decided that allowing you to easily open up the e file to your rook, even if this meant doubling up your pawns, would actually hurt me in the near future. But it is forcing me to play catch-up a little bit...

[Shady Bill]

This is my chess set from Indonesia. The pieces are roughly carved and look extremely chaotic, which I love. I looked into these some more, though the board is nicely carved, these sets have little monetary value.


My favorite person Ezi reminds me that showing off is a perversion.


https://i.imgur.com/0pJyk8r.jpg

[Aktungbby]

/\ to play with that set! I'd need two asperin... and an Aricept tablet!:k_confused: and yes: U R off a tempo. I occasionally play those 'street masters' at 4th and Market on SF's mean streets. The rent for the table is cheap and it's more cordial than tournament chess where everyone is always slapping their clocks...highly distracting imho.

[Skybird]

Evil wicked Hobbit you are - you have stolen Sauron's chess board!

Looks like demons from hell fighting the earth titans. Impressive looks.

Clergy in retreat, I like that, always. I'm in the lab. C U

[Skybird]

From here on it starts to get complicated, I have 6 possible blips on my radar screen each leading to complex variations quite different from each other, but each of them has its worths and risks. Difficult, I will take longer time here. ;)


After 8. Be3


https://i.postimg.cc/ZK7VRBfX/Chessposition.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Shady Bill]

@Skybird; No problem, take as much time as you want to :up:

@Aktungbby; That is awesome you get to play there!! That must be a cool atmosphere. It is a great docu.
I love the triumphant ending where the guy trades all his chess tables and his entire chess business in the park for a bag of weed, a bottle of liquor and 300 bucks haha...absolutely wonderful.

I was looking for an image of the little cards I would use in the 80s and early 90s. Not only did I find them, to my surprise they are still for sale. I assume they printed a million of these cards thinking mail via air carrier could never be surpassed. Now in some office, there are boxes stacked to the ceiling with these old cards.

If you buy a 1000 cards, you get 14% off oO. There are zero reviews though.

To my dismay, there was no live agent online but they did have an AI system that can answer your questions. I asked it about the cards, and who still buys them. And if I mailed the cards, how much postage would it require?

It had no idea what I was talking about though.



https://i.imgur.com/AWZoUni.png

[Skybird]

8. Be3

your move 8. Bg5-e3 my move 8. ... / d6-d5

https://i.postimg.cc/RV82x59r/Chessposition.jpg (https://postimg.cc/56Bs8r6p)

This was work and I am not really fully convinced of the outcome, but I spend the afternoon on this now and the rest of my life demands its rights, too, so somewhere oyu gotta make a decision and then call it a day. I also considered Rb8, h6, e5, even Qb6, but it seems it is all slowly, gently, almost unnoticably dropping the scale in Whites's favour within just 5, 6 more moves, very subtle. d5 is in principle possible I think, but maybe prematurely played.

I have no immediate worries, but really happy I am also not, I am too passive, still, lacking options. It should be different in the Pirc, that's why Black opts for it. However, White is far from an easy win with this.

[Shady Bill]

Thanks for that move skybird. I will need to look at this a bit.

Everything inside my body is screaming for Nd2, the symmetry it creates in white's position is so delightful and it would actually serve a purpose.
I feel it almost demands to be played. But giving in to such sentiments would be insanity.

One of my favorite things in chess is when positions become full of tension.

Let me think a bit about this.

:hmmm:

[Shady Bill]

9. e5

This move is reminiscent of a drawbridge being lowered, creating a nice opening. Certainly going to decline that invitation at d5 :O: I am going with this mainly because it forces your next move, but also creates nice mobility for my two holy-men. All that preaching...maybe it is time we send them to the front lines for some chaplain duty :haha:

There is one thing I fear right now; your bishop on g7.

Your knight and the drawbridge opening:

https://i.imgur.com/n6zdvXM.png

[Skybird]

9. e5

Expected.

your move 9. e4-e5 my move 9. ... / Nf6-e8

https://i.postimg.cc/7LqYhg3D/Chessposition.jpg (https://postimg.cc/NKPwP2CP)


This was a day's work, its near midnight over here, so: good night. :salute:

[Shady Bill]

Expected.
your move 9. e4-e5 my move 9. ... / Nf6-e8

This was a day's work, its near midnight over here, so: good night. :salute:


Thanks Skybird :Kaleun_Cheers:
I am glad you are done for the evening and I have the rest of the night to calculate. My wife retired to bed early and I have arranged for a few cold beers. This is the first time I feel I have quite a few options, so now the calculating begins. There are many things to consider. Though castling queenside at this point would put me in your bishop's cross hairs, I have started considering the possibilities of this madness.

[Shady Bill]

I am considering the following;

1) c4; though a soft move, it challenges d5 directly, allowing me to trade a side pawn for a center square pawn.

2) Nf4; put real pressure on d5...the choking kind of pressure.

3) Qd2; this extends my presence to h6. Things are starting to hit close to home for black. I can see a possible forced exchange there between the two bishops that could benefit me.

4) f4; keep extending my pawn front forward. More subtle, but interesting.

5) 0-0; What seemed like a necessity 2-3 moves ago, now becomes a subtlety. Considering the sharper response of 0-0-0.

I want to make sure f-file remains locked in place; e7/f7 have to remain black territory.


I will have my move before the night ends. The beauty of chess is that the moves are, as they are. I am not entirely sure we have any influence over them.

[Shady Bill]

3 hours in now. I have stared at the board you posted+our next move.

There are many options.

“Unlike other games in which lucre is the end and aim, [chess] recommends itself to the wise by the fact that its mimic battles are fought for no prize but honor. It is eminently and emphatically the philosopher’s game.”


Chess is life

[Shady Bill]

10. c4


pawn from c3 to c4

[Skybird]

10. c4


Oh-oh. :D At first quick glance this looks nice for me and not for you. I check how to devour best from this.

I feared f4, or Nf4. Qd2 also was uncomfortable (exchanging bishops on h6).

[Shady Bill]

haha yea I think my last move was a bit of a miss as I analyze my position more carefully. Things will now break open, we will see how it goes :timeout:


Edit: "bit" is understatement. That was a blunder lol...Chess is a cruel mistress indeed...


Now I have to play the recovery game again, but might be too late depending on your next move. I think there is a win in there for you now if you shovel enough manure :D

[Skybird]

10. c4

pawn from c3 to c4

Well, this is a turning point in my favour, i think.

your move 10. c3-c4 my move 10. ... / d5xc4

First blood of the match. Difficult start for me, but I am the one to bite first.

Blutbad am Morgen: Kummer und Sorgen.
Gemetzel am Abend: erquickend und labend. :D

https://i.postimg.cc/k5j2HSXJ/Chessposition.jpg (https://postimg.cc/WDkpFhkC)

I had a luxury problem here, the choice between cd:, dc:, and even Qa5+. cd: and dc: are not that different, Qa5+ would lead to another variation still advantageous for me. In all three I secure material and positional advantage.

An unwanted mishap on your side, mixed up the moves in your variations, or a lack of patience to boil me in my own brew? I am perplexed by your move. I expected f4 or Nf4, which would have kept me in the anaconda's loving and slowly tightening embrace.

[mapuc]

It's like reading Arabic for me..Trying to interpreter this into plain English

"the choice between cd:, dc:, and even Qa5+. cd: and dc: are not that different, Qa5+ would lead to another variation still advantageous for me. In all three I secure material and positional advantage."

Markus

[Shady Bill]

Even the board and pieces look menacing now :wah:


Let me study this....surely I can recover?? I must recover!! :gulp:

[Skybird]

It's like reading Arabic for me..Trying to interpreter this into plain English

"the choice between cd:, dc:, and even Qa5+. cd: and dc: are not that different, Qa5+ would lead to another variation still advantageous for me. In all three I secure material and positional advantage."

Markus


It means that Black had the choice between c5xd4 and d5xc4. An exchange of material on the centre squares would follow that in both variations would result in quite similar or comparable positions once the fog of war lifts again. Well, not excatly, but roughly. Only Qd8-a5+ would lead into a variation where Black still gets material and positional advantage, but of a different look and kind.

Why I opted against the queen? Well, every opening has certain inherent strategic motives it aims to realise. And I think cd4: is the one most loyal to the original motives of the Pirc Defence, from Black's point of view. A little excursion for those who watch here but are not that deep into chess: what is the Pirc Defense about?

1. e4/d6 2.d3/Nf6 3. Nc3/g6, this is the basis of the Pirc. Bill tried to avoid the aggressive options Black has by derailing the train early and pushing us both into uncharted territory, instead of 3.Nc3 he played f3. To move the f-pawn to f4 later on is a common motive for White against the Pirc, and probably the most agressive strain of variations for White. Another later motive is to move c2-c4, also known in theory, to take space advantage on the Queens side of the board and support the centre.

The Pirc is called a modern or sometimes hyper-modern opening, becauue it is absolutely asymmetrical in strategic goals and by that violates many traditional classical strategemes of the chess times before: move pawns rarely in the opening, develope king's side pieces first, move nights before bishops, castle early, and so on and forth. Black does differently here. He leaves space advantage and the centre to white, while letting himself fall back and develope his officer pieces on the flanks, doing fianchetti (bishops moving to b2, g2, b7, g7), and getting developement advantage over White that he later uses to attack White'S centre with superior force from the flanks. While I type this, it reminds me a bit of what the Ukrainians currently do to the Russians: Russia stormed forward and gained space, the Ukrainians fell back, prepared forces on the flanks, and then with material superiority attacked and roll up the Russian centre from the flanks. :D Maybe they call the Pirc Defence the Ukrainian Defence from now on...

Back to the stuff, Black also wants to gain advantage later on by claiming territory on the Queen'S side of the board. White wants to push his centre pawns.

Bill perplexed me with f3, and followed immediately with not c4, but c3. I tried to follow the core ideas of the Pirc for Black, but his play blocked me from fully realising that. Experience shows that it is good for Black to keep his dark-fielded bishop and force White to trade his dark bishop for a night instead. Black'S bishop on g7 often is very dangerous, firing at the White centre from the hidden cave it is in, and making the king'S castle strongly defended at the same time. Thats why I always had moving h7-6 and Kg8-h7 on my radar screen, to defend h6, and g5. If Bill would have played not c4, but Qd2, the threat would have been his bishop moving to h6 next and enforcing the exchange with my bishop, because I have the Rook on f8 and thus cannot move the bishop away, White then would take my Rook. It woul have ended with his queen sitting way to close to my king, and the castel weakened. He would have had his further attack vector laid out before him.

Until here, I had not gotten the compensation Black is seeking in the Pirc. I needed to react to medium-term threats and had no tempo advantage as I hoped I would make count, or better, I had one tmepo more, or two, but wa sunable tio make them score heavier. I feared f4 most, followed by Nf4, because Black also wants to prevent White from pushing his centre pawns forward, and again I would have failed, probably, to prevent that. Thats why I considered f6 in that case, openign my kings position for the sake of creating a little chaos in his marching rows in the centre.

I meanwhilke think that my move d5 was not the best. I wnated ot play Rb8 with the idea of b7-b5, but he could eaisly spoil that with a2-a4, giving him even more space. e5 I also considered instead of d5. Well - complicated consequences. At this time I was not really happy with anythign there was available. I squirmed.

Until here, nothing has worked for me as I wanted it to. Now I win a pawn and positional advantage, I break open the tight space I was locked in, I gain opendiagonals for my bishops, and maybe can get the White king locked in the centre. I am extremely optimistic now. Yesterday evening my mood was muted. He said he wanted me to drag down in horse menure, and he did. The match was not decided, but I think his position had a visible offensive advantage, he stood better, while I was still strongly defended, but had no imminent options to start a counterattack, I only reacted, it would all have costed too much time once he started to push his attack. Then he made this mistake, c4. Bad luck.

What to expect from here on? Black will seek to turn his material advantage into a winning endgame and turning a pawn into a queen, or maybe, if possible, even will go for a checkmating attack. White will obviously try to prevent both. He will ty to keep the game complicated by avoiding exchanges, while Black will try to enforce right this: exchanging material and simplifying positions. The Pirc is known for keeping tight and crowded for long time, but we are out of opening now. The less material there is, the more one pawn more counts. Well, most often (thoug not always).

I rejoice - but this match is not yet over, and the victory is not yet secured. I still have work to do. So far I think Bill played better than I did, forced his will on me instead of the other way around.

[Shady Bill]

11.Bd3xc4



I am crippled with fear pretty much, staring at this position. It really shows that one bad move, can completely alter things almost instantly.
I have few options obviously and I am not seeing the intricacies of not capturing and instead running. I feel this might be better, but there are few places to go and I just don't see the move order.

I almost feel my move is forced. I also know Skybird has calculated this move to the nth degree. We are now playing on his terms, which is very bad. I lose on his terms.
I played the above move through to the end. I think it is bad, but not horrible. My center is gone. I am very worried I am not seeing it. Just not seeing the right move

This is the worse feeling for me, not losing, but being frozen in time, staring at the board for something you just can't see.

Here we go boys! Grab your shovels!! :salute:

[Shady Bill]

Bill perplexed me




Haha that is a recurring theme of the match :har: This feeling you are experiencing is purely due to the fact that I play moves that are not the best moves, so for strong players and especially strong calculating players, it can be jarring to have to deal with unexpectedness.

[mapuc]

Haha that is a recurring theme of the match :har: This feeling you are experiencing is purely due to the fact that I play moves that are not the best moves, so for strong players and especially strong calculating players, it can be jarring to have to deal with unexpectedness.

I must say when Skybird wrote "Bill Perplexed me" and your answer, Bill-Made me remember a game between Fischer and some Russian.

If I remember correctly.

Fischer was pressed in the defence when he suddenly offered his Queen-This made this Russian player so perplexed that he made some wrong moves and Fischer won the game.

Markus

[Shady Bill]

I must say when Skybird wrote "Bill Perplexed me" and your answer, Bill-Made me remember a game between Fischer and some Russian.

If I remember correctly.

Fischer was pressed in the defence when he suddenly offered his Queen-This made this Russian player so perplexed that he made some wrong moves and Fischer won the game.

Markus


Fischer's "mistakes" are never mistakes. My mistakes are just that, mistakes :ping::haha:

[Skybird]

11.Bd3xc4

your move 11. Bd3xc4 my move 11. ... / c5xd4

if your move is 12. Be3xd4 then my move 12. ... / Nd7xe5
if your move is 12. Ne2xd4 then my move 12. ... / Nd7xe5

https://i.postimg.cc/1RqxBFzS/Chessposition.jpg (https://postimg.cc/8sNnPjWX)
After 12. ... /c5xd4

I almost feel my move is forced.
I also know Skybird has calculated this move to the nth degree. Actually only 4-5 (full) moves, and much is more or less enforced, as you said.

[Skybird]

Fisher was a strange cosmological phenomenon, which should be treated less in chess books and more in physics books. :D In fact, I think he recognized a chess position with quite different eyes and cognitive perception patterns than the rest of us. After all, he ticked a little differently in other respects, too.

[Shady Bill]

12.Qd1xd4





if your move is 12. Be3xd4 then my move 12. ... / Ne7xd5
if your move is 12. Ne2xd4 then my move 12. ... / Ne7xd5



You seem very eager about Nd7xe5 :O:



You are on a bit of a roll I will admit...

but I will make you fight for it Skybird...there will be blood :/\\x: <---- pointy like a pin :D

[Shady Bill]

I used to be obsessed with double fianchetto. It creates really interesting and sharp game play. Your Bg7 has been a thorn in my side since you made the move.

[Shady Bill]

your move 11. Bd3xc4 my move 11. ... / c5xd4

if your move is 12. Be3xd4 then my move 12. ... / Ne7xd5
if your move is 12. Ne2xd4 then my move 12. ... / Ne7xd5





Btw I want to point out I assume you mean Nd7xe5

[Skybird]

Oh fohk!

Yes, of course Nd7xe5. My fault.

My apologies for this. I correct the move-post.


Could you believe it? I just overlooked Qd4: :o . It never appeared on my radar screen. Lucky me it has no hurting consequences...

[Skybird]

Luxurious life now. I have Le5:, Qc7 and Qa5+ as options, the first two opens cans not of worms but further threats, where as the last one feels too tame a bit at first glance. The other two I need to calculate deeper.


https://i.postimg.cc/fk4zMQBH/Unbenannt.png (https://postimg.cc/GTQwjV0Y)
After 12. Qd4:

[Skybird]

your move 12. Qd1xd4 my move 12. ... / Qd8-c7

https://i.postimg.cc/4dRNC9ND/Chessposition.jpg (https://postimg.cc/Y48wYjFR)

That pawn won't run away, lets make it a bit more complicated first before murdering him.

I even considered 12.../Nd6, but after 13.f4/Nc4: 14.Qc4: I did not see my action leading anywhere near the white king that would justify to let that pawn escape.


Thats it for tonight.

[Shady Bill]

13.f3-f4


the move I should have made a bit ago. I am starting to worry about my rook on a1. Once e5 is gone, that could get ugly quick...


Time for bed, see you tomorrow.

[Skybird]

"Feuer frei." :ping:

13.f3-f4

the move I should have made a bit ago. I am starting to worry about my rook on a1. Once e5 is gone, that could get ugly quick...
Yes, but now its too late. I fear 12. Qd4: was weak, too, I can only assume you tried to avoid again doing the obvious move to irritate me. But it allowed me to play not the apparently oh so obvious move Ne5: immediately, but to play Qc7, and I am tempted to add two exclamation marks to that - because as I see it that move shatters your backbone. It now pays off that I stuck to the core principles of the Pirc, despite your effort to distract me. :) . The bishop is one of these key elements. And it will be the bringer of doom soon! :arrgh!:

your move 13. f3-f4 my move 13. ... / Nd7xe5

if your move 14. f4xe5 then my move 14. Bg7xe5

https://i.postimg.cc/tC1cfcPZ/Chessposition.jpg (https://postimg.cc/GHCzTqXd)

[Shady Bill]

Yes, but now its too late. It now pays off that I stuck to the core principles of the Pirc, despite your effort to distract me. :) . The bishop is one of these key elements. And it will be the bringer of doom soon! :arrgh!:


Doom?? :o doom is never good....

after I did c4, the whole thing came unglued.

If I would have played one of the 2 moves you proposed, capturing at d4 with my knight or bishop, instead of the queen, many bad things would still happen. Though looked at the proposed moves and I think capturing with my knight might have been better. I opted for my queen to have added mobility and also to get it out of the way.

I had strange feverish dreams last night where I still castled queenside, and did a last all out attack on your kingside...I saw rooks, pawns..it was all very grand. In the end coach Niemann whispered in my ear "you did it, buddy" and raised me on his shoulders....but then I woke up :wah:

Let me look at this for a little with morning coffee.

[mapuc]

I came up with a strategy. By watching you play and the very little knowledge I have on Fisher.

Play totally random with a certain pattern in my moves. Play so to say guerilla chess warfare.

Markus

[Shady Bill]

your move 13. f3-f4 my move 13. ... / Nd7xe5 if your move 14. f4xe5 then my move 14. Bg7xe5


After your proposed move order:



15. Qc5




:/\\chop I am starting to feel like Louis Auguste a bit over here...

[Shady Bill]

I assumed the sport of "chess boxing" was just a couple drunk guys in their backyard messing around...


no, this is a multi-million dollar sport with grandmaster rated commentators.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1a_pVpbAeQI

[Skybird]

No, Qxd4 was not good, the alternatives were not good, but "less bad", the lesser evils.


Since some people watch in here: this is hypothetical after 11..../cd4:

https://i.postimg.cc/PrsjG1XX/Chessposition1.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Now two options:

First, this: 12. Nd4:/Ne5: 13. Be2/Nd6 14. Na3 (must go to a3, c3 does not work because c4 must be guarded against my nights going for c4 and again putting your dark bishop under pressure, I want that one to be gone with my dark bishop surviving). The result is this:

https://i.postimg.cc/76P0B5cw/Chessposition2.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Not good a position, but much better than what there is now.
Edited: better posiiton than I initially assumed. White has one pawn less, yes, but he has the pair of bishops, can castle short, and organise a defence - maybe even a counterattack later on. MUCH better than Qd4: and the doom that follows that move.


or:

Second, this: 12. Bd4:/Ne5: 13. Bb3/Bf5 14. Le5:/Qd1:+ 15. Bd1:/Be5: 16: Nbc3

https://i.postimg.cc/HLvhH8Ms/Chessposition3.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Again, preferrable to what there is now. Black has the pair of bishops, open firing lines of both, the short-legged nights may find it difficult to defend the two pawn-fronts on the left and right side later one.

These variations are no magic to find, since much is pretty much enforced.

[Skybird]

After your proposed move order:
15. Qc5

14. f4xe5 / Bg7xe5

your move 15. Qd4-c5 my move 15. ... / Be5xb2

https://i.postimg.cc/GtnFFbY1/Chessposition.jpg (https://postimg.cc/vgXxMF3P)

"Captain, radar is clear of any surprises."

"Helm, we proceed on our plotted course."


Bishop of doom...

[Shady Bill]

16. Qc5xc7


:salute:

[Shady Bill]

Bishop of doom...


He will be at the pearly gates in about 5 minutes...hope they have room up there for the clergy :haha:

[Skybird]

I assumed the sport of "chess boxing" was just a couple drunk guys in their backyard messing around...

no, this is a multi-million dollar sport with grandmaster rated commentators.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1a_pVpbAeQI
I knew it existed, but have missed it became this big a business.



That's what I used to want to do sometimes: furiously punch my opponent in the face at the board after a mistake I made!

World Champion Alekhine, on the other hand, was a aesthete who saw every game as a jointly created work of art. He once played against an opponent, and the game was fine, then his opponent made a terrible blunder. It is said that Alekhine then completely lost his temper and angrily threw the board at his head so violently that he went down injured. Alekhine was angry because his opponent had destroyed the work of art.

[Skybird]

16. Qc5xc7


:salute:

your move 16 Qc5xc7 my move 16. ... / Ne8xc7

https://i.postimg.cc/KjCF0vFJ/Chessposition.jpg (https://postimg.cc/64VD3K8v)

That bishop will have served its purpose well - with a MIRV warhead under his funny hat. First he defended the king. Then he influenced the proceedings in the centre. Then he specialcommandoed on b2 and took no prisoners. Then sacrifices himself for killing a superior enemy.

I wish all servants would serve so devotedly and self-sacrificially! :D

[Shady Bill]

17.Be3-d4


finally that nightmare is over....Your dark square bishop is dead, and my king is on a dark square. My position is pretty dire but Niemann tells me to remain hopeful.

[Shady Bill]

I wish all servants would serve so devotedly and self-sacrificially! :D


I hope you at least send some sort of certificate to his family. He was an honorable merchant of death.

[Shady Bill]

you will be ahead 2 pawns....I can overcome that...


lets play chess... :D

[Skybird]

17.Be3-d4

finally that nightmare is over....Your dark square bishop is dead, and my king is on a dark square. My position is pretty dire but Niemann tells me to remain hopeful.
your move 17. Be3-d4 my move 17. ... / Bb2xa1

if your move 18. Bd4xa1 then my move 18. Bc8-e6
if then your move 19. ... Bc4xe6 then my move 19. ... / Nc7xe6

All pretty much predetermined.

After 17. .../ Ba1:

https://i.postimg.cc/NfyMqFJs/Chessposition.jpg (https://postimg.cc/HVgHbY1R)

[Shady Bill]

if your move 18. Bd4xa1 then my move 18. Bc8-e6
if then your move 19. ... Bc4xe6 then my move 19. ... / Nc7xe6



18.Bxa1 Bc8-e6
19.Nd2


if you go with Be6xc4
I will go with 20. Nd2xc4

[Skybird]

18.Bxa1 Bc8-e6
19.Nd2

if you go with Be6xc4
I will go with 20. Nd2xc4


19. Nb1-d2 / Be6xc4


your move 20. Nb1-d2 my move 20. ... / Rf8-d8


The eternal question in chess: "This rook - or rather the other one?"


Endgame phase approaching. My weakness - I suck at endgames.



https://i.postimg.cc/tg8xcgVw/Chessposition.jpg (https://postimg.cc/1gcXnsBr)

[Skybird]

20 moves done.


https://i.postimg.cc/qMH9TXTM/Unbenannt1.png (https://postimages.org/)

[Aktungbby]

19. Nb1-d2 / Be6xc4


your move 20. Nb1-d2 my move 20. ... / Rf8-d8


The eternal question in chess: "This rook - or rather the other one?"


Endgame phase approaching. My weakness - I suck at endgames.



https://i.postimg.cc/tg8xcgVw/Chessposition.jpg (https://postimg.cc/1gcXnsBr)just align the rooks(two rooks is the most powerful piece on the board) in control of the center and push the pawns inexorably with regal support inveigling the horsey into position to pin the king in his corner. Position, material, and tempo are the three elements of chess...and ShadyBill is down on all three...particularly pawns. IE: your infantry may now advance across the field with heavy armor(rooks) in slow meticulous fashion...and take your time. I love endgames and always try to arrive at that point with one more rook than my opponent...:arrgh!: Also, keeping your troops mainly on the white squares will make his bishop useless. Remember to keep your rooks conjoined unless trading for his remaining rook. Frankly I'd topple my white king now!

[Shady Bill]

Frankly I'd topple my white king now!


Nah, I see things through till the end. Also, quitting when behind is unbecoming in my opinion. It devalues the efforts of your opponent.



It will be over in a couple of moves. Properly over....

[Shady Bill]

19. Nb1-d2 / Be6xc4
your move 20. Nb1-d2 my move 20. ... / Rf8-d8
The eternal question in chess: "This rook - or rather the other one?"
Endgame phase approaching. My weakness - I suck at endgames.
https://i.postimg.cc/tg8xcgVw/Chessposition.jpg (https://postimg.cc/1gcXnsBr)


Correction:



so 20. Nd2xc4 is my move and you move ...Rf8-d8


the move you labeled for white as move 20 was move 19

[Shady Bill]

just align the rooks(two rooks is the most powerful piece on the board) in control of the center and push the pawns inexorably with regal support inveigling the horsey into position to pin the king in his corner. Position, material, and tempo are the three elements of chess...and ShadyBill is down on all three...particularly pawns. IE: your infantry may now advance across the field with heavy armor(rooks) in slow meticulous fashion...and take your time. I love endgames and always try to arrive at that point with one more rook than my opponent...:arrgh!: Also, keeping your troops mainly on the white squares will make his bishop useless. Remember to keep your rooks conjoined unless trading for his remaining rook. Frankly I'd topple my white king now!

I would love to see Aktungbby challenge the winner :yep: I think that would be a very interesting match! :Kaleun_Cheers:
It sounds like you might be an excellent chess player!

[Shady Bill]

21. 0-0

[mapuc]

I feel like I have to give a better explanation on my idea I mentioned before.

First I was thinking on having 4-5 threads with title like:
(following is only examples)
Chess Match: mapuc Vs Skybird/Shady Bill
Chess Match: Alias Vs Skybird/Shady Bill
a.s.o up to 4 of 5 chess matces.

Now I don't think Neal would be happy we use all this bandwidth on this forum, so I came up with the next idea 4-5 members gather together and discuss via PB on their first/next move against 1 player.

It's only a crazy idea so we leave it there.

Markus

[Aktungbby]

Nah, I see things through till the end. Also, quitting when behind:o is unbecoming in my opinion. It devalues the efforts of your opponent.



It will be over in a couple of moves. Properly over....BEHIND??!! I'm sending help!:O: https://d2kspx2x29brck.cloudfront.net/1200x675/filters:format(webp)/2022/10/07/image/png/PJGDhlkwjeMXpklKAPLXo7sl9trpMhjymmnLMfMD.png https://interestingengineering.com/culture/diy-website-steps-chess-cheating-tool :arrgh!:

[Shady Bill]

BEHIND??!! I'm sending help!:O:

:arrgh!:



Coach Niemann will love this!!! and much easier than doping. He keeps bringing up doping to me!! I tell him chess-enhancing drugs are not the answer.

[Shady Bill]

It's only a crazy idea so we leave it there
Markus


A yearly autumn subsim chess tournament :D

[Shady Bill]

21. 0-0



just reposting in case Skybird didn't see it.

[Skybird]

I just have seen it. But this kind of play is where I take more time. And then there is real life...



We had kind of a tournament in 2008 and/or 2009. And where interest is, people can start their chess matches, right?

This match here can still drag on. You don't often get such asymmetrical material. I'm going to meditate.

[Shady Bill]

Take your time Skybird. I will be gone for the next 4 hours or so. I know it's getting late in GMT+1.


:up:

[Skybird]

And now the chessbase GUI that I use for logging the match and creating the diagrams has shot itself down. Some graphics driver thing, the error message says, I need to reinstall the whole thing tomorrow again. Thats the damn thing with chessbase software and why I stopped buying their later interfaces: they always were a bit buggy and rarely did they ever get patched out in full. Its not the gfx driver, that much is certain, its the CB GUI giving a bogus error. Not the first time something like this happens, has happened occasionally since ever over the past 20 years. Anyway:

This damn wide open empty void the board has turned into is not easy to calculate many moves in advance, and I cannot do it for sure. But one needs to decide on the approach one takes from here on, there is some choice in different ways: focussing on this or the other wing, focussing on pushing a pawn or first simplifying things even further by enforcing material exchange, let the bishop run on empty diagonals or blocking the diagonals, and so forth. This match can drag on for some more time.

I opted for this :

https://a.rgbimg.com/users/m/mi/micromoth/600/mgIJbj4.jpg


Let' negotiate. :D



And so:

your move 21. O-O / my move 21. ... / Ra8-c8

https://i.postimg.cc/8CLGYdcW/20221013-220627.jpg (https://postimg.cc/Jy7SDkb4)

[Shady Bill]

I keep staring at this Ne5/Rxf7 combo, while restricting your king's movement with my Ba1, but that leads nowhere. I am now just grabbing at pawns, because all you have to do to finish me off is start moving pawns forward.


Tomorrow I think we will see the end to this beautiful war.




Good night!

[Aktungbby]

Frankly I'd topple my white king now!

I am now just grabbing at pawns, because all you have to do to finish me off is start moving pawns forward.


Tomorrow I think we will see the end to this beautiful war.




Good night! https://media.giphy.com/media/IhL8sICowZWmI/giphy.gif:yep: :oops: :dead:

[Skybird]

Yes, of course the chances are all with me, but even with a material advantage of two pawn-values plus positional advantage I dislike this extremely asymmetrical distribution of material, I am not used to such an extreme as to be seen here.

Common sense says: rooks behind the pawns and then let them march, but I feel White still has too much officers so that he can simply put them in the pawns' way and block them. I feel i should do somehtign about this first - before hiding the rooks behind the pawns. He has more officers than I have, so theoretically he can mount more pressure on one of my pawns than I have pieces to defend it with. A material exchange to my disadvantage might be accpetbale, however - if it buys me the tempi one other pawn needs to race successfully to the first line.

I know the basics of endgames, of course - but I never was good in implementing them. Most of my games that I lost 30, 40 years ago - i lost in endgame. :hmmm: I often prioritized the wrong things over others...

Maybe I played too much with computers back then. Its funny that I copy exactly the strengths and weaknesses of table chess computers from that era. Back then, they were good at calculating tactical chaos within their calculation horizon - and were blind to anythign just one half move beyond that. Since their horizon was short, they sucked in endgames, and terribly so, since endgames envision long-term motives and positional structures that pay off just 10, 20 moves later. Today'S software is not like that anymore - it rewrites theory in all phases of the match and has calculated all possible endgames with - how many now? 6 pieces? 7? Or already more? They just call up the best move from a database, do not calculate it anymore. "Playing" them when you are in tablebase range makes no sense anymore, just look up the result, and cut it short this way. You cna win nothing if playing on, you can only lose some...

In general, play software of today with a handicap, or with an autoadjusting difficulty level, some software allows that. I mean, a fast PC races the move coiutne rupwards that you think you have a bad dream. One two, three , and the thing is already at move 20, and short time later at 30. I use auto-adaptation in Shredder Android, and have the difficulty rating the software adjusts after each match fluctuating between 1900 and 1950 Elo. - That means not I play that Elo, since I absolutely doubt that Shredder can calculate a correct ELO rating. That is a regulated and strictly controlled normatizing process (could you say it this way?) , in real life. I would say, however, that my CC rating would be higher than my table chess rating. But that is probably the case with everybody.

I have this strange feeling that Aktung is the shark in the pool here...

[Skybird]

I just noticed that you already have moved. I overlooked it, since you put the move in the headline.



In Arnie's eternal words: "I'll be back."

[Shady Bill]

I just noticed that you already have moved. I overlooked it, since you put the move in the headline.
In Arnie's eternal words: "I'll be back."


Oh my apologies, I didn't make my move very clear.


22.Na5


I would enjoy watching you and Aktung slug it out when you both have time for a match. I think that could be very enjoyable, and well, if we have a 2nd match, we have a tournament going really. And that is wonderful.
Nice thing about CC is it is easier on real life than club chess hours.

Maybe Markus would also like to try a match?


“The beauty of chess is it can be whatever you want it to be. It transcends language, age, race, religion, politics, gender and socioeconomic background. Whatever your circumstances, anyone can enjoy a good fight to the death over the chess board.” – GM Simon Williams

[Skybird]

We count that versus my two notation flaws. :D

Tricky position. Do I ride elegantly towards victory, or will I win, but before I do, I'll bolt ridiculously over the muddy field like a rumble cart, and make it more difficult than necessary? I am confident to win, but elegance in endgames, and me - thats a natural contradiction.

Okay, make it Ne6.

your move 22. Nc4-a5 my move 22. ... / Nc7-e6

https://i.postimg.cc/7Y6FYPyY/Chessposition.jpg (https://postimg.cc/HjqZ6gxf)

I pray I did not count wrong, else I have just given away a pawn for nothing...:hmmm:

[Shady Bill]

your move 22. Nc4-a5 my move 22. ... / Nc7-e6



23.Nxb7


I love the look of this position. A mere dozen moves ago I was bragging about my fortress and its opening drawbridge.
Now that fortress lies in complete ruin and the battlefield is covered in white's blood. Your two large cannons are stacked together aimed at the very heart of my crumbled empire.

[Shady Bill]

oh and the useless clergy..hunkered down behind a barricade at a1.
I should have traded him when I killed your bishop. Whatever the outcome of this war, my black square bishop will be put on trial for treason against the king.

[mapuc]

Maybe Markus would also like to try a match?


“The beauty of chess is it can be whatever you want it to be. It transcends language, age, race, religion, politics, gender and socioeconomic background. Whatever your circumstances, anyone can enjoy a good fight to the death over the chess board.” – GM Simon Williams

It could be fun, even though I would most likely lose

I've been thinking on starting a I-wanna-join-our-chess-tournament-thread

I hope that many will sign up for this tournament-Which will be played all against all.

Meaning(Example) 16 sign up.
Which mean 8 matches a.s.o until we have kick-out games up to the final.
Or we divide them into two groups and they play against each other in these groups and the first two after they have finished playing-meet the first two in the other group in a semifinal.

My idea is that the winner gets a beautiful logo with the word Subsim chess master 2022.

Only ideas.

Markus

[Skybird]

23.Nxb7


I love the look of this position. A mere dozen moves ago I was bragging about my fortress and its opening drawbridge.
Now that fortress lies in complete ruin and the battlefield is covered in white's blood. Your two large cannons are stacked together aimed at the very heart of my crumbled empire.


23. Na5xb7 my move 23. ... / Rd8-d3


https://i.postimg.cc/Jhh3sQL9/Chessposition.jpg (https://postimg.cc/XrTBhdX8)


I hope you are uncomfortable now, having expected Rd2...!?

[Shady Bill]

It could be fun, even though I would most likely lose


My idea is that the winner gets a beautiful logo with the word Subsim chess master 2022.


Only ideas.
Markus


Really good idea actually.


Looks like I have my next opponent :salute:


We can adjust how much we share about each others moves and people could have input in our match to a degree where both you and I can learn.
Who wins or loses isn't that important. It really is important only to the winner; because he/she won. So it works out great.

[Skybird]

It could be fun, even though I would most likely lose

I've been thinking on starting a I-wanna-join-our-chess-tournament-thread

I hope that many will sign up for this tournament-Which will be played all against all.

Meaning(Example) 16 sign up.
Which mean 8 matches a.s.o until we have kick-out games up to the final.
Or we divide them into two groups and they play against each other in these groups and the first two after they have finished playing-meet the first two in the other group in a semifinal.

My idea is that the winner gets a beautiful logo with the word Subsim chess master 2022.

Only ideas.

Markus
My impression was that you just had read the rules of chess. Do you play since longer, or have you just learned it?
If the latter, it might be the better idea to have a match where you make a move and explain why you make it, your reasoning behind it. Then the opponent, of whom to think as a trainer, will tell you what makes sense in that reasoning and what not, makes his move, and tells you why he made that move. That way, you learn and improve. If you have just read the rules and want to play against a strong opponent, that makes no sense: you would get plowed under and not even know what hit you, when, and why.
If you have just learned chess, read the rules a couple of days ago, Bill would be too strong for a regular match for you.

[Shady Bill]

23. Na5xb7 my move 23. ... / Rd8-d3
I hope you are uncomfortable now, having expected Rd2...!?


I became uncomfortable quite a few moves ago :haha: let me think on this a bit

[Shady Bill]

My impression was that you just had read the rules of chess. Do you play since longer, or have you just learned it?
If the latter, it might be the better idea to have a match where you make a move and explain why you make it, your reasoning behind it. Then the opponent, of whom to think as a trainer, will tell you what makes sense in that reasoning and what not, makes his move, and tells you why he made that move.


yea that would be an excellent way to learn. Also, when I make a bad move, it would be nice if people could comment on why and what would have been better.
I often have ideas, but struggle to translate them to the board. I think a good way for an older person to learn chess, is to learn "ideas" rather than memorize move orders.


For example; if in the opening, you always make every move about controlling the center, you will do okay in the opening. That is a much easier concept than to learn dozens of openings.


Could be excellent learning for both Markus and I

[Skybird]

I love to critizise people. :D Torpedo love, so to speak. :haha:


:O:

[Skybird]

Could be excellent learning for both Markus and I
Not excellent, only a compromise due to this forum setup. Better it is to start with few pieces and learn the basics of endgames, how to checkmating, basic rules for simple pawn transformation endgames; then moving to middle game and basic tactical motives there, and then to openings and their logntemr strategic goals at the end. Like a juggler: he does not try 8 balls in the beginning when he learns it, but just tries two, then three, then four balls .

But that is too time-consuming and unhandy to do in this forum. Better have a real person in a club, for exmaple, or a friend at home for this kind of lessons.

Or a book. I learned chess three times, and the most in depth learning was with the book by Tarrasch, a classic. The first time I learned it at the age of 5, by a colleague of my father, but I was not sufficently engaged back then, with 5 years. Then came a very popular book by a German grandmaster who is ver popular here in Germany and a former business colleague of mine, he was psychologist, too: Helmut Pfleger. His book was for kids learning chess, and I read it during first class (I could already read when I was at first class). German chess player cannot avoid to not know him, he commented many TV events, together with Vlastimir Hort. Soke yera slater then, "der Tarrasch". Classic, old fashioned, but back in its own time revolutionary. Today probably outdated in its approach, at least not revolutionary anymore. But old school, and that must not always be somethign bad.

[mapuc]

My impression was that you just had read the rules of chess. Do you play since longer, or have you just learned it?
If the latter, it might be the better idea to have a match where you make a move and explain why you make it, your reasoning behind it. Then the opponent, of whom to think as a trainer, will tell you what makes sense in that reasoning and what not, makes his move, and tells you why he made that move. That way, you learn and improve. If you have just read the rules and want to play against a strong opponent, that makes no sense: you would get plowed under and not even know what hit you, when, and why.
If you have just learned chess, read the rules a couple of days ago, Bill would be too strong for a regular match for you.

I have known about the rules the most important for years-How your pieces are allowed to move I also somehow know about certain chess rules. Like you changing place with your king with a tower-What I didn't know what you call it O-O or O-O-O King/Queen castle

My Elder sister was School champions for some years and she use to beat me when we played this was many years ago.

As I mentioned before - I would most likely lose against however I would meet in a chess game. I have this handicap that I can only see one-two draws ahead/combinations and I remember what my sister said to me-You have to learn on how to calculate combination more than two draws ahead.

I have recently learned on how to put moves into writing somehow I must admit. Still learning how a "elimination" shall be written.

'cause I can't see in your moves where you got your chess pieces "eliminated"
Only what move you made.

I read more into this O-O and O-O-O rules:
it must be that king’s very first move
it must be that rook’s very first move
there cannot be any pieces between the king and rook to move
the king may not be in check or pass through check

Markus

[Shady Bill]

24.Rc1



23. Na5xb7 my move 23. ... / Rd8-d3
I hope you are uncomfortable now, having expected Rd2...!?


I am not seeing what you are seeing yet. I fear a back rank mate of some kind, I think my Rc1 stops that but I am not seeing it yet. I will go back to board now and stare at it some more.

[Shady Bill]

24.Rc1



It over my friend. The war is done. This will put you ahead a piece. You certainly bested me.


I will gladly allow you to finish him off, but this would be the point of resigning I think.

[Skybird]

This is the enfant terrible variation...?

To make it short, with that move you are done.
24. Rc1/Rxc1+ 25. Nxc1/Rd1+ 26 Kf2/Rxc1 your are dead. :Kaleun_Wink:
https://i.postimg.cc/jdJmWJNj/Chessposition.jpg (https://postimg.cc/MvqdNH9k)

[Skybird]

A mishap ends this match, thanks for them match, Bill. :Kaleun_Salute:
My idea btw were variations that would have brought the other rook forward, too, and one rook on the a-line, recapturing the pawn on a2 and maybe trading a rook and pawn for nights and pawn, something in that direction. The end would have been a simplified position with way more symmetrical material and still sufficient material advantage for me to win - easier to play, I would have been much more comfortable with it.

I also ahd the idea of both rooks on the second line and then checkmating the king after blowing up the castle, but there was one single silent innocent move available to White that would have prevented that.

[mapuc]

I tried to play against an online computer and was Checkmate after 42 draws.

Markus

[Skybird]

You played 42 draws...? You mean moves...?

[Shady Bill]

White resigns


Thank you so much Skybird. This was absolutely delightful and fun!

I hope we can keep this going a bit if people can make time this Autumn/winter.

I think this was very enjoyable.


I will start analyzing the match. See where i fumbled, what I could have done different...learn from my defeat I guess :06::hmmm::o:yeah:



https://i.imgur.com/aew3NCG.jpg

[Shady Bill]

and of course big thanks to Subsim.com for being the conduit.

[mapuc]

You played 42 draws...? You mean moves...?

Yes moves..it was moves not draws.

I know why Here in Denmark and Sweden it's called trækning/drag = draw

Markus

[Skybird]

, what I could have done different...learn from my defeat I guess

Learning to play f4 when you should and playing it not when you shouldn't! :shucks: :O:

[Skybird]

Yes moves..it was moves not draws.

I know why Here in Denmark and Sweden it's called trækning/drag = draw

Markus
42 draws would make a score of 21:21 :)

[Shady Bill]

https://media.giphy.com/media/IhL8sICowZWmI/giphy.gif:yep: :oops: :dead:


I would love to see a Skybird vs. Aktungbby match if both are open to it?




Aktungbby, you had very good input, but coach Niemann now says: :D



https://i.imgur.com/1x7oDEU.jpg

[Reece]

Come on Aktung, you can't resist the challenge!! (I'm speaking for Skybird naturally :D)

[Skybird]

For example; if in the opening, you always make every move about controlling the center, you will do okay in the opening. That is a much easier concept than to learn dozens of openings.
Thats why there are those dozens of openings - because the enemy will not let you carelessly do that and will try to spoil it for you, like I tried to spoil it for you with choosing the Pirc (it often comes as an unwelcomed surprise for White) and you tried to spoil the Pirc for me. Each of us tried to enforce his will on the other. Thats why there are dozens of openings. Now, it seems I have more background knowledge about Pirc Defence than you have. Thats why I nevertheless was able to navigate the uncharted water you pushed us into with 3.f3, I simply stuck to my underdstanding of Black's key strategemes and saw to what degree I could still use them. You did not have that knowledge apparently, and thus started early to make mistakes (c3 already got you on slippery slopes, I think), not directly loosing material, but loosing tempi and positional value, strategic options. See the difference...? Players ideally should have a base understanding of ANY opening there is - so to have at least some base to stand on, some safe ground to fall back to if the going of the fight pushes them onto terrain that they would have avoided if they would have had the choice. Then finding an escape from the mess by simplifying material on equal terms - thats an exit strategy from there, for exmaple.

Chess players need both: a general understanding of general strategemes, AND the tools of the trade.

Beginners make a mistake however, they try to blindly memorize an opening and think then they are well off for the start. But what when the opening ends: either the sequence of memorized moves has come to its end, or the opponent leaves the variation early? If the player then has no idea of the basic conception of the opening in question, why it does the moves that it does, he is like a parachuter who landed in the middle of a minefield at night, with new moon and overcast sky.

You need always both: the memorized stuff as well as an understanding of the Why and What-for of this stuff. There is no way for the one without the other.

What you can dom and what i did back then, is to tailor your repertoire that way that with only a few openings you can cover a huge, wide terrain in the variation tree, or you collect openigns that you cna enforce, with Black or White, after e4 or d4, or you choose a library of openings that are familiar, can slide from one variation into the other. For exmaple, the Pirc was part of my repertoire back then, but I also played with Black much classic and Modern Benoni, Grünfeld-Indian and Nimzo-Indian. It can happen that many of their variations begin in the one opening and then lead into one of the others, and they share many motives, and cause much of the same kind of problems for the opponent.

One can also avoid openings that are old and well-analyed and played to death, becasue they come not with books but librariers of books about them. Ruy Lopez or Sicilian. Ruy Lopez I NEVER played, I never was interested in sitting down and studying chess on one day, and just Ruy Lopez on another. Sicilian Defence I sometimes play, with White also its mirrored version, the English Opening, but I struck with a few aggressive variations that Black mostly can more or less enforce (or so I thought...), to avoid most of the variation tree.

One needs both: basic understanding of the basic motives and strategemes, AND the toolbox of the trade.

And then a good calculation skill and a very good memory, and visualization ability. The first I still can do if taking the time, the latter is a problem. Its a simple human fact that with 55 you do not learn new stuff or memorize things as easy anymore as you do with 20. All life is evidence for that. Thats why I took notes during the match, so that I would not mix up sequences of moves between three, four variations I had on mind. At table chess of course that is not possible. Thats why I stick to CC these days when playing humans. It maximises my strengths and minimises my vulnerabilities and compensates for my memory. And yes, if playing humans, I absolutely play to win, not just for playing. Just playing I do with computers, and do not care much about the outcome.

One thing is certain, however. chess is a wonderful game and really the king of games. I know Go (by rules, not more) Backgammon (playing it reasonable, but not more than that), Abalone as well, and like especially Abalone very much (but suck at it), Checkers (which i always found boring and today is a fully calculated game: computers have databased every possible match). I also would like to play Skat, but always forget that I have a - reasonably good - app for it, and card games and computers: that simply feels too weired even for my taste. Go has an even higher number of possible ways how a match can run than chess, but it is less attractive to me since it lacks the moving dynamics that chess has. Its a totally different way of thinking, and it doe snot tic my boxes. By looks, however, the pieces on the board - it is fascinating. I also checked chinese chess when I was a schoolboy, but never got into it. So, backgammon and Abalone would be my choices beside chess. But chess thrones above all the others.

Abalone has a notation system, too. I just don'T know it, but it should be possible to play it via mail. I know no theory at all about Abalone, dont even know wether there are theory books or it is all passed down from mouth to ear between players. But boy, does that board and pieces look awesome!

[Shady Bill]

1 day ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-P56fYDzwE


Carlson beaten in competitive chess by a 7 year old :har:


Let me guess..Cheating? That must be it right Carlson...everyone is cheating :ping: :haha: :har:



Niemann fully redeemed. Check and mate.

[Shady Bill]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfLNNyz7sPw




:har: sorry...I'll stop..I just love this guy

[Skybird]

That is the Yelling Defence, Spitting Variation. Leads to very temperamental though somewhat one-sided exchanges.

Gurkesh is 16 years, btw. The tournament is not going well for Carlsen, and its not his first defeat there, I think. I have not seen the match, but I read that Gurkesh won because Carlsen oversaw something very simple and made a big mistake. He tried to recover from it, but failed, gave up short time later. Since the mistake was done by Carlsen, Gurkesh said he is not too proud of his win, he did not enforce it by his own powers.

Everybody is human. Even a world champion can have bad days. And has. I would not read too much into it. There certainly are reasons why many players call Carlsen the probably strongest chess player ever so far. ;) And I heard that being said before about Fisher. Then Karpov. Then Kasparov.

Female equivalent btw is Judith Polgar from Hungary, she is the only female who was ever ranked amongst the top ten of the chess world ranking list with far over 2700 ELO at the climax of her career, one and a decade ago. I recall that she palyed only two or three women'S chess ptournmanet in her entire life, then said that she wanted to learn formt he best chess palyers, and that were all males. Since then she only played in non-all-women tournaments and thus, almost exclusively against men. Thats the real spirit! She has two older sisters who all played chess as well since childhood.

[Shady Bill]

Even a world champion can have bad days. And has. I would not read too much into it. There certainly are reasons why many players call Carlsen the probably strongest chess player ever so far. ;)




.....that is fine..but..

https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/f4/e8/wZZDZsl7_t.jpg (https://imgbox.com/wZZDZsl7)


100% redeemed :har:

[Aktungbby]

Come on Aktung, you can't resist the challenge!! (I'm speaking for Skybird naturally :D)

BEHIND??!! I'm sending help!:O: https://d2kspx2x29brck.cloudfront.net/1200x675/filters:format(webp)/2022/10/07/image/png/PJGDhlkwjeMXpklKAPLXo7sl9trpMhjymmnLMfMD.png https://interestingengineering.com/culture/diy-website-steps-chess-cheating-tool :arrgh!:

I love to critizise people. :D Torpedo love, so to speak. :haha: JEEZE! I certainly thought my offer of assistance to Shady Bill was a form of ''torpedo love so to speak!" :arrgh!: As per my PM I'm whipping my 20 year lapsed game into something I can use with Aricept and two aspirin. I'll open with th English Open, then transpose to the Maróczy Bind; segueing into an AceleratedDragon variant whilst fianchettoing both bishops for ecclesiastical support thru the center, avoiding ShadyBill's own initiative error on white in your game. If drawing preferred black pieces, I'll just go into the Spassky-killing Petrosian defence of my youth, nulling the offense in depth...ie the Hedgehog-with-quills into an end-game strategy with tactics determined by white's developing onslaught. Basically block all offence, constantly crowding white's perimeter. As with tennis and 7 years wrestling, it's not winning by beating the other guy outright that wins; its causing him to commit judgemental tactical errors...all while surrendering absolutely nothing of position, material, or tempo in a tedious wearing down game. With any luck, occasionally inspiration actually strikes and the pieces move in my head of their own accord!


:O:

[Shady Bill]

JEEZE! I certainly thought my offer of assistance to Shady Bill was a form of ''torpedo love so to speak!" :arrgh!: As per my PM I'm whipping my 20 year lapsed game into something I can use with Aricept and two aspirin. I'll open with th English Open, then transpose to the Maróczy Bind; segueing into an AceleratedDragon variant whilst fianchettoing both bishops for ecclesiastical support thru the center, avoiding ShadyBill's own initiative error on white in your game. If drawing preferred black pieces, I'll just go into the Spassky-killing Petrosian defence of my youth, nulling the offense in depth...ie the Hedgehog-with-quills into an end-game strategy with tactics determined by white's developing onslaught. Basically block all offence, constantly crowding white's perimeter. As with tennis and 7 years wrestling, it's not winning by beating the other guy outright that wins; its causing him to commit judgemental tactical errors...all while surrendering absolutely nothing of position, material, or tempo in a tedious wearing down game. With any luck, occasionally inspiration actually strikes and the pieces move in my head of their own accord!
:O:

Excellent! I am pretty sure you are saying you accept the challange :up: but you could also be talking about an imaginary game in your head, I am not entirely sure to be honest :O:

Well, seeing Skybird played black last round, he will be playing the white side this time around. If Aktungbby did indeed accept the challenge, and if Skybird accepts the challenge. Then Skybird may now open the match with the first move :salute:



Ok people, place your bets!! :Kaleun_Cheers:

[Rockstar]

My money is on the cow.

[mapuc]

I was on the edge to disqualify both players. However how much do I know about Chess rules when it comes to the king and the rook.

Easily said
it must be that king’s very first move
it must be that rook’s very first move
there cannot be any pieces between the king and rook to move
the king may not be in check or pass through check

Skybird made his O-O in their 7th move and Bill made it in his 21th move.

It was their kings and their rooks first move-so they go clear-It has nothing to do with how many moves you makes with the rest of the chess pieces only when you decide to make O-O it has to be the king and the rooks first move and as mentioned in the rules-the king may not be in check or pass through chess.

Markus

[Skybird]

Have I missed something? Somehow I feel out of phase, to put it in Trekkie talk.

[mapuc]

Have I missed something? Somehow I feel out of phase, to put it in Trekkie talk.

You have done absolutely nothing wrong it was me who tried to-how should I put it-be funny in a way.

I'm returning to pages on Chess rules-since I seem to lack to much knowledge on this.

Markus

[Shady Bill]

Multi-Quote:

Shady Bill: Oh cool, I think Aktungbby just accepted the match 2 challenge?

Rockstar: My money is on the cow.

Mapuc: I was on the edge to disqualify both players.

Skybird: Have I missed something? Somehow I feel out of phase.

:haha:

I was confused about Aktungbby message I guess. Was that a plan of attack based on what Skybird's first move would be?

Aktungbby:

I'll open with the English Open, then transpose to the Maróczy Bind; segueing into an Accelerated Dragon variant whilst fianchetto-ing both bishops for ecclesiastical support thru the center, avoiding Shady Bill's own initiative error on white in your game. If drawing preferred black pieces, I'll just go into the Spassky-killing Petrosian defence of my youth.

Ohhhh... on closer review this might have been an analysis of Aktung's response to my moves in match 1 if Skybird didn't exist?

I don't know, it all became a bit incoherent for me there. I might be very confused. Is there a 2nd match on the horizon? :hmmm::timeout::shucks:

[Shady Bill]

I would hate to have to award the "2022 Subsim Chess Trophy" to Niemann by default. Though we all know he deserves it more than anyone else. If the story about the beads is true, he made the greatest sacrifice by far, of all of us.

Niemann sacrificed even more than the 4 year old Indian schoolgirl that beat Carlsen yesterday, and after the match declared her favorite color was "blue" :har:

[Skybird]

Okay, everybody: just so that speculations do not reach so high that they start shooting planes out of the sky: I recently had a brief PM exchange with Achtung about chess, and he did not indicate at all that we should/want/will play, he had questions about chess software, I gave the answers, and that was it. If we would want to play I assume we would have fixed it there. Which is why I think he was answering to somebody else with his above reply.


If you guys are so eager to have a live match running, why dont you play one between yourself? Just start a thread. If you want and appreciate the beauty in the effort :sunny:I can additionally provide some occasional diagrams every couple of moves. Just make sure that one can distinguish clearly between made moves, and discussed variations. There is a reason why notation in CC chess is highly standardised, which i copied (your move xxxxx - my move yyyyy). It helps to avoid unneeded messes.

[Aktungbby]

:agree: /\ yeah it'll be a while getting my computer up to speed with any one of the 3 programs u so kindly PM'd me; and get my game in shape enough to hold my own at 71 brainwise ??:wah:...along with an Aricept prescription.:oops: Play on in the interim! :up::salute:

[Catfish]

Currently out of reach and having not much possibility to look and post, some chess thread and playing would be an excellent idea.
Have not yet followed the Shady Bill - Skybird match, but will later :)

[Eichhörnchen]

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2515701&postcount=1

And this is why no-one will ever beat Sky at chess :timeout:

[Skybird]

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2515701&postcount=1

And this is why no-one will ever beat Sky at chess :timeout:
To make this clear: I have never buried chess pieces, or hid them in other ways. However, I admit to sometimes decapacitate my opponent's king by biting the top part off.


He better let go in that case, else his finger is off, too.

[Shady Bill]

THowever, I admit to sometimes decapacitate my opponent's king by biting the top part off.



I hate to go off topic, but where is the squirrel thread you started Skybird?
I have pictures and updates on my squirrel encounters, but I can't find the thread?


Without giving too much away; my neighbor has an outside cat and my squirrels attacked it! I couldn't believe what I saw. The cat pounced the squirrel and the squirrel not only fought it off, it nearly killed the cat.

[Skybird]

I hate to go off topic, but where is the squirrel thread you started Skybird?

I cant even remember that I started one!?

Whac-a-squirrel, maybe, I posted some videos there longer time ago, my garden nut bar. And Mapuc'S feel good thread.


Without giving too much away; my neighbor has an outside cat and my squirrels attacked it! I couldn't believe what I saw. The cat pounced the squirrel and the squirrel not only fought it off, it nearly killed the cat.
Your American squirrels are totally nuts at times... Doe snot surprise me, the cat story. Grey squirrels even attack rattlesnakes- and win. Also, there are quite some biting incidents every year. In Germany, its absolutely rare and when it happens every ten years or so, it makes healdines in newspapers.

[Skybird]

While I was searching back to 2019 for threads I have started and whether there is any squirrel in them, I nevertheless found this.

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=242796

That is the original MM-IV software,. just runnign on nowadays suoerfats hardware. Back the n it never calculated 16 halfmoives (it slimit) ahead, and woukd ahve needed days and night for it if it had the memory (it was an 8 bit CPU and 32 MB RAM...). today oyu enter oyur mvoe, and two seconds later it has done those 16 halfmoves... The interface worked via mouse pointer and the buttons in the bottom left corner (no drag and drop of the symbols). I find this cool although i have the real machine.




https://s17.directupload.net/images/191013/gwyzpc7j.png


The computer submarine game by Parker, Codename: Sector, from the late 70s, also has such an emulator with an orginal display of the hardware interface in that game.

[mapuc]

I cant even remember that I started one!?

I knew however that you had started a thread about squirrel

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=242963

or Where they were part of the stories like this one

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=248407

Markus

[Aktungbby]

While I was searching back to 2019 for threads I have started and whether there is any squirrel in them, I nevertheless found this.

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=242796

That is the original MM-IV software,. just runnign on nowadays suoerfats hardware. Back the n it never calculated 16 halfmoives (it slimit) ahead, and woukd ahve needed days and night for it if it had the memory (it was an 8 bit CPU and 32 MB RAM...). today oyu enter oyur mvoe, and two seconds later it has done those 16 halfmoves... The interface worked via mouse pointer and the buttons in the bottom left corner (no drag and drop of the symbols). I find this cool although i have the real machine.




https://s17.directupload.net/images/191013/gwyzpc7j.png


The computer submarine game by Parker, Codename: Sector, from the late 70s, also has such an emulator with an orginal display of the hardware interface in that game. I had this back in the eighties 'till it died an early death from overuse: https://i.etsystatic.com/12620524/r/il/d058a5/4021814088/il_794xN.4021814088_fwmg.jpg and am considering this as its replacement:https://www.houseofstaunton.com/media/catalog/product/cache/ca50fc7206f68fbd0415c919ff5f73c8/a/z/azxhqfao.pngso I don't live up to Eichhörnchen's premature billing quite so quickly:And this is why no-one will ever beat Sky at chess :timeout::arrgh!:Today, compared to my youth days when I played tournaments, I am a chess noob again. It's like shooting: a perishable skill. Rest, and you will rust. ...and get my game in shape enough to hold my own at 71 brainwise ??...along with an Aricept prescription. Ironically we both admit to a discernable cerebral deficiency in our dotage; and Skybird still has a 16 year advantage on me!:yep: Prhaps we could play on the beach like Magnusen and Niemann did in Miami just prior to the cheating scandal game:Niemann got his butt kicked on the sand! but suddenly defeated Magnusen in the tournement??!:timeout::hmmm:>https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQTIZSnm2XBlQSGMSlCxuKXgYm046ErA baerzXhesyqo-qI91J83ESZzRcxYZtmdYeZfOo&usqp=CAU

[Skybird]

Ah, I played the Chess Challenger 7 in and out at the table where they had presented their chess computers in the Berlin KaDeWe. That was the autumn before I got my first chess computer for christmas that year, a CC Voice. Good times. Life was good. Time was endless. Horizon was far far away.



Chess computers only hold good memories for me, in all direct and indirect regards. :yeah:

[Shady Bill]

Niemann got his butt kicked on the sand! but suddenly defeated Magnusen in the tournement??!:timeout::hmmm:>https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQTIZSnm2XBlQSGMSlCxuKXgYm046ErA baerzXhesyqo-qI91J83ESZzRcxYZtmdYeZfOo&usqp=CAU


Only two sorts of men win chess matches on a beach full of bikini-clad girls
1) soulless androids 2) men who feel the constant need to prove themselves to be better than others.

Niemann is neither. Niemann is young, vivacious and talented. A young Mozart, if you will.
Carlsen is a bit to concerned about his bank account. He is a 31 year old man-child with the spirit of a centenarian.

Women want to be with Niemann, and men want to be Niemann.


Niemann is the future of chess. The sooner you embrace this reality, the quicker your life will once again shift into focus.

[Skybird]

I beg to differ. Completely.

[Aktungbby]

Women want to be with Niemann, and men want to be Niemann.
Caesar was "every woman's man ad every man's woman":03: Your mind ain't wanderin'...it's just roman around? There's gonna be a Play Magnus.com, valued at 80 million; but I doubt there'll be a Cheat Niemann.com...unless it includes a "torpedo love" gizmo! :yep::O::har:

[Shady Bill]

but I doubt there'll be a Cheat Niemann.com...unless it includes a "torpedo love" gizmo! :yep::O::har:


:har: That is a brilliant idea! :har:

[Shady Bill]

Right now on E-bay:




MAGNUS CARLSEN GARRY KASPAROV PLUS 14 OTHER SIGNED GRANDMASTERS CHESS BOARD

This Board has been signed by the following grandmasters boldly in black sharpie:
GARRY KASPAROV, LEVON ARONIAN, SHAKHRIYAR MAMEDYARAV, FABIANO CARUANA, LEINIER DOMINGUEZ,, VESELIN TOPALOV, WESLY SO, HIKARU NAKAMURA


blah blah....it is also signed by no other than future world champion; Hans Niemann! :o:o


"SIMPLY PUT YOU WILL NOT FIND ANOTHER CHESS PIECE SIGNED BY THIS MANY FORMER WORLD CHAMPIONS
EXTREMELY RARE AND TOUGH PIECE TO PUT TOGETHER. MEASURES 16.5 X 16.5 INCHES.

COMES WITH A CERTIFICATE OF AUTHENTICITY :up:

I will say, the thing is beautiful. "Buy Now" price is $579. Which is weird because I could have sworn it was $599 just a couple days ago...maybe when the whole Niemann adult beads conspiracy hit the news outlets the board went down in value? :haha:

Skybird, please buy this as a first prize for the Subsim Chess Tournament. You have gold bar money anways! :D And you most likely can just award the prize to yourself if we don't get a firm yes or no from Aktung pre-winter cometh :har: So either way you will end up with a beautiful board with Coach Niemann's signature...the whole thing is win-win :yep:

[Shady Bill]

I have been begging my wife to allocate $600 to a "black ops project" at my household, so that I may acquire the board. To no avail.:haha:

[Aktungbby]

I have been begging my wife to allocate $600 to a "black ops project" at my household, so that I may acquire the board. To no avail.:haha:Jus' make sure your proctologist clears your sorry ass for that "torpedo luv gizmo" beforehand!:O: :oops::shucks::arrgh!: As for my sorry chess game-rejuvenation self-training: having jus' taken my Aricept, I now recollect... the horsey moves in an "L" pattern!:doh: :timeout::hmmm::yep:...and my boss-wife has nixed my new chess computer game hopes allocation as well...apparently X-ma$ and daughter'$ wedding take precedence??! :wah:

[Shady Bill]

:doh: :timeout::hmmm::yep:...and my boss-wife has nixed my new chess computer game hopes allocation as well...apparently X-ma$ and daughter'$ wedding take precedence??! :wah:

We must be married to the same lady :haha:

We have a rule on buying things over $500. The item has to meet a certain degree of prudence, accountability and decorum. I knew the board was going to be a stretch from the start.

I actually waited for her night to watch Handmaid's Tale, her favorite night, and casually mentioned a new chess set I might get (I didn't want to get into the nitty-griddy that $599 was just for a board alone)

Me: "Sweetie, remember I told you about that chess set on ebay? The one
I could display on the wall? That might really go up in value?"

My wife: "Don't you have a chess set? with that little rubber roll-up board? That's really cute."

Me: "Well, now that I am no longer a teenager, maybe I should get a nicer board? And there is a 71 year old man on Subsim who mocks my playing while popping Aricept. I need to improve." (This was, of course, regarding my standing feud with Aktung, I was hoping to get some pity from her :D)

My wife: "Aricept?"

Me: "Yea I dunno...some sort of chess doping I think..."

My wife: "Fine! get the stupid chess game....why are we talking about this anyways, how much is it?"

Me: "$599"


Roaring laughter

[mapuc]

Learn how to program a CNC workstation then you can create your own beautiful chessboard and pieces. Like I did many years ago when I made a complete set to my Elder sister-The one who once was School champ some years.

Markus

[Shady Bill]

Oh I love my rubber mat and plastic knights with no ears. This whole chess board thing, my desire for it, stems from my sick hero-worship of Hans Niemann. And clearly this has to stop.

[mapuc]

Have a Chess technical question about this O-O or O-O-O called castle
Now here is my technical question
the king may not be in check or pass through check

The first part I somehow understand-If your king is in check position castle is not allowed not even if it's your kings and the rook first move in the game.
What does "Pass Through check" mean

Yes I could search for it-But I think I rather would get the lesson here.

Markus

[Skybird]

Kings stand on e1 and 8. If opponent figures threaten d1 or f1, d8 or f8 (these are the fields the king would "jump over"), casteling is not possible as long as that threat exists, since the king is at all times prohibited to move so that he exposes himself to check - and he would need to pass through these checks. Verboten! :D


No problem with the Rooks on a1 or a8, if an opposing piece threatens b1 or b8, castleing still is possible.

[mapuc]

Kings stand on e1 and 8. If opponent figures threaten d1 or f1, d8 or f8 (these are the fields the king would "jump over"), casteling is not possible as long as that threat exists, since the king is at all times prohibited to move so that he exposes himself to check - and he would need to pass through these checks. Verboten! :D


No problem with the Rooks on a1 or a8, if an opposing piece threatens b1 or b8, castleing still is possible.

Thank you so much

Markus

[Aktungbby]

We must be married to the same lady :haha:
To misquote a famous comedian who's name I cannot recall(haven't had my Aricept yet:o ): "That ain't no lady; that's my wife!":yep::timeout::oops:...upon speedy review, it's an old late 1800's famous vaudeville quip; subsequently reiterated by Rob Petrie on the the DickVanDyke comedy show- Eich's favorite comedian:yeah: I recall having heard it myself, as my mom and dad loved the show too.

[Eichhörnchen]

https://i.imgur.com/eubG9RJ.jpg "Boom-boom!"