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There ain't one and I got this juicy story about Finnish politics so here goes:
Finnish PM Sanna Marin under fire after party video surfaces
Finland's Sanna Marin has been seen regularly at music festivals, nightclubs since taking office
Finnish Prime Minister Sanna Marin (https://www.foxnews.com/world/finland-president-prime-minister-nato-membership-without-delay) appeared in a video leaked this week that shows her dancing with friends at a private apartment.
Marin, 36, has been harshly criticized by opposition members of parliament for the leaked videos in which the prime minister parties with rappers, social media influencers and other Finnish celebrities.
She defended her actions in comments to reporters, according to the BBC: "I have a family life, I have a work life and I have free time to spend with my friends. Pretty much the same as many people my age."
https://www.foxnews.com/world/finnish-pm-sanna-marin-under-fire-party-video-surfaces
My opinion is her critics are probably stodgy curmudgeons who are just jealous that they can't dance like that. :)
There ain't one and I got this juicy story about Finnish politics so here goes:
https://www.foxnews.com/world/finnish-pm-sanna-marin-under-fire-party-video-surfaces
My opinion is her critics are probably stodgy curmudgeons who are just jealous that they can't dance like that. :)She is too hot for them! :D
Rockstar
08-19-22, 08:26 PM
Sure it might be legal. But some would say acting like a whorish drugged up little hootchie momma bumping uglies with strange men isn’t very presidential. I don’t know do think?
Sure it might be legal. But some would say acting like a whorish drugged up little hootchie momma bumping uglies with strange men isn’t very presidential. I don’t know do think?
Some might but they'd mostly be the stodgy curmudgeons I mentioned in the OP. :)
Seriously i'm reluctant to criticize a person of her age for letting their hair down a bit in private among their friends.
Of course I don't know much about her. If she's a party girl who slept her way up the ladder like our floozie vice president then I guess you could see it as confirmation of her normal Bimbosity.
How do you say Hootchie Momma in Finnish anyways?
em2nought
08-19-22, 11:46 PM
I have to give the nod to AOC in the dancing category. :03:
Buddahaid
08-20-22, 01:20 AM
I have to give the nod to AOC in the dancing category. :03:
So where does that leave Trump?
Sorry I couldn't help myself....
Skybird
08-20-22, 04:36 AM
In principle she did nothing wrong. But: that relates to a private person. As prime minster of a country you are in a position where you never truly are "private" whenever there is a risk that the public is present with one eye and one ear.
In such an exposed representative function, you are not "private". You are taken as an example, you represent, and you have to represent, 24/7 whenever a mike of camera is pointed at you. Country. Values. Ideas. Laws. General positions and orientations of politics. That is a full time function of your life then. Dont like it? Dont become prime minister. Or make sure no camera is near and no mike is open when you are "private".
There is a reason why certain things NEVER would be done by or under the British Queen and the protocols. And why the queen is admired for exactly this quality.
There is no real scandal in this story. But its a question of style. And Marin failed it. Whether she was filmed dancing , or vomitting on the floor, makes no difference, thats not what it is about.
Certain powers in this world will take her - and Finland - less serious from now on. That may be fair or unfair, correct or wrong - but that does not matter.
Thats the part in the movies where the one actor says to the other: "Something like this must not happen!"
This is a non-story and was from the beginning. Media just made up a scandal by calling it a scandal. Even her opponents don't really care with the exception of very few loud ones.
My opinion as well. :yep:
Same here there's no case. An attractive woman is having some fun.
A Danish politician is convince the Russian is behind the spreading of this video. The reason should be Finland's being a Nato member and some other thing-Like revoke of Visa.
Markus
Skybird
08-20-22, 08:38 AM
Same here there's no case. An attractive woman is having some fun.
A Danish politician is convince the Russian is behind the spreading of this video. The reason should be Finland's being a Nato member and some other thing-Like revoke of Visa.
Markus
Yes, that is absolutely possible.
As I said, its not really a politcal scandal - releasing such images is more an issue of style.
Rockstar
08-20-22, 10:46 AM
Same here there's no case. An attractive woman is having some fun.
A Danish politician is convince the Russian is behind the spreading of this video. The reason should be Finland's being a Nato member and some other thing-Like revoke of Visa.
Markus
So what you’re saying the person doing the filming was a Russian spy? That must be one helluva good spy to get that close to Prime Minister hoochie mama’s inner circle.
I heard from my connection ‘an anonymous top official’ she grabbed a handful of Deeznuts too.
Skybird
08-20-22, 11:07 AM
99% probability the clips (its twpo now) were shot by a party guest. If Russia is behind this, then most likely not the guest is a Russian agent, but it was the Russian intel service to dig it out from a third (private) person source, organise it somehow, and leak it to the wanted public channel.
Its being done this way since - well , "since ages". The term is "targeted indiscretions".
So what you’re saying the person doing the filming was a Russian spy? That must be one helluva good spy to get that close to Prime Minister hoochie mama’s inner circle.
I heard from my connection ‘an anonymous top official’ she grabbed a handful of Deeznuts too.
I will add.
Even though The Russian shouldn't be behind this spread of this video-They are rubbing their hands-It couldn't have happened in a better time.
In the news here they said this video will perhaps change the Finnish foreign politics
Markus
Jimbuna
08-20-22, 12:25 PM
Would be hard for a Brit to comment when you take into consideration the clown we have as leader.
Would be hard for a Brit to comment when you take into consideration the clown we have as leader.Do not forget the one before Boris, your truly dancing queen :D
Jimbuna
08-20-22, 12:44 PM
I admired her initially, until she proved to be weak and give in repeatedly at the behest of the EU
I admired her initially, until she proved to be weak and give in repeatedly at the behest of the EUWhat did she give in that Boris did not the UK wanted out so new relations needed to be agreed on do not think Boris could have done it different. And blaming the EU is an oxymoron the UK did not want to play along, so face the facts that you need to do it all alone not that you can expect favors from the EU if you do not want them.
Jimbuna
08-20-22, 01:20 PM
What did she give in that Boris did not the UK wanted out so new relations needed to be agreed on do not think Boris could have done it different. And blaming the EU is an oxymoron the UK did not want to play along, so face the facts that you need to do it all alone not that you can expect favors from the EU if you do not want them.
My response whas centered solely on your 'dancing queen' remark and I have not claimed or blamed anything on the EU nor have I said I expect anything from anyone.
If you want to continue this debate and venture out of the Ukraine thread where almost 90% of your posts are I'd suggest you go into the UK politics thread.
Subsim forum is far more diverse than the one regarding Ukraine.
“Solidarity with Sanna”
Women in Finland are posting videos of themselves partying while tagging Prime Minister Sanna Marin. https://twitter.com/meghamohan/status/1560999055769030656
Rockstar
08-20-22, 02:46 PM
I will add.
Even though The Russian shouldn't be behind this spread of this video-They are rubbing their hands-It couldn't have happened in a better time.
In the news here they said this video will perhaps change the Finnish foreign politics
Markus
What Finnish foreign policy? If you ask me they’re pretty predictable, they bend which ever way the wind blows. It’s all a party
em2nought
08-20-22, 07:06 PM
“Solidarity with Sanna”
Women in Finland are posting videos of themselves partying while tagging Prime Minister Sanna Marin. https://twitter.com/meghamohan/status/1560999055769030656
Too bad Europeans don't dance like they sunbathe. :D
Rockstar
08-20-22, 08:27 PM
Oooo la la Finnish Prime Minister Hoochie Mama and some soft lesbo action.
https://youtu.be/Q_UcaY8nNVA
Buddahaid
08-20-22, 09:25 PM
Almost like a normal person. Discusting......but just a peek to be certain it really is disgusting......
Where do I direct my outrage? Is there an app?
So what you’re saying the person doing the filming was a Russian spy? That must be one helluva good spy to get that close to Prime Minister hoochie mama’s inner circle.
I heard from my connection ‘an anonymous top official’ she grabbed a handful of Deeznuts too.
Yep, It's always those Russians
“Solidarity with Sanna”
Women in Finland are posting videos of themselves partying while tagging Prime Minister Sanna Marin. https://twitter.com/meghamohan/status/1560999055769030656
They're Danish from what I've read.
Again, I can't stress enough how much of a non-issue this is in Finland. It's been blown out of proportions.
Moonlight
08-21-22, 06:07 AM
Yep, It's always those Russians
I always thought that when it came down to spies n things those pesky yankee bluebellies were at the top of the tree, you'd be hard pressed to name a country that they haven't spied on. :haha:
U.S. spied on Merkel and other Europeans through Danish cables - broadcaster DR
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-security-agency-spied-merkel-other-top-european-officials-through-danish-2021-05-30/
As for the Finnish Prime Minister, I really don't see a problem with this dancing video of her, I'm only giving her 5\10 though as she didn't whip her bra and knickers off and twirl them above her head, now that would've really have got those stuffed shirt types spluttering into their cornflakes.
If the news media are trying to make something out of this then you can guarantee that it's a non story from beginning to end. :doh:
Rockstar
08-21-22, 07:25 AM
Finland asks: Does a prime minister have a right to party?
By KOSTYA MANENKOV and KARL RITTER
https://apnews.com/article/nato-covid-health-finland-helsinki-bb9704d5663b68766fcd2376335a29c4
HELSINKI (AP) — In a leaked video, Finland’s Prime Minister Sanna Marin is seen dancing and singing with friends at a private party. The 36-year-old leader poses for the camera. She sits on her knees, hands behind her head. She’s entangled in a group hug. She’s having a good time.
Countless similar videos are shared daily on social media by young and not-so-young people partying in Finland and all over the world. But the leak has triggered a debate among Finns about what level of reveling is appropriate for a prime minister, especially considering neighboring Russia’s attack on Ukraine, which prompted long-neutral Finland and Sweden to apply for NATO membership.
Marin, who leads the center-left Social Democratic Party, has faced a barrage of questions about the party: Were there drugs? Alcohol? Was she working or on summer vacation? Was the prime minister sober enough to handle an emergency had one arisen?
The video, clearly shot by someone at the party, was leaked on social media and caught the attention of Finnish media this week. Marin said she attended the party in recent weeks, but refused to say exactly where and when.
She also acknowledged that she and her friends celebrated in a “boisterous way” and that alcohol — but, to her knowledge, no drugs — was involved. She said Friday that she took a drug test to put an end to speculation about illegal substances.
Skybird
08-21-22, 08:56 AM
FOCUS hits the Bull's Eye:
The photo of Sanna Marin in cut-off blue jeans, white T-shirt and the now cult black leather jacket from a rock festival in Finland went around the world. The headlines turned out in her favor - proclaiming her the "coolest head of government in the world." The Finns were proud of their prime minister, who was popular all over the world.
It was not an unwanted photo, not a paparazzo picture, shot from a bush. No photographer needed to ambush Marin, she looks confidently into the camera, the picture was: image PR. Which certainly can't be said of the video that subsequently put the Finn in the headlines in a negative light.
Marin lasciviously dancing at a private party. This video also went around the world, but now no one wrote that she was the coolest head of government in the world. Now people were asking: is she allowed to do that?
First: the photo was published against Marin's will, no doubt a mess. Marin now definitely knows who of the people around her is NOT her boyfriend. However, this video was not shot against Marin's will, you can see it clearly - she is flirting with the camera, and that: because she likes it. Today she knows it was a flirtation with a traitor.
Marin now knows even more: it was a mistake. Her mistake. "These are private pictures that were not meant for the public," Marin commented on the video to the Iltalehti newspaper. "I am sad that they have been published." She had trusted that they would not be leaked. But, "I have nothing to hide and I have done nothing illegal."
What exactly was Marin's mistake? Every head of government is entitled to privacy, even though he or she is basically on duty 24 hours a day. Still, no head of government has to abstain from alcohol; neither did Angela Merkel, who likes to drink red wine. The Finnish conservatives would have done better to save their puritanically interwoven accusations - they are hypocritical.
The accusation that Finland's social democratic prime minister has made herself open to blackmail on behalf of the Russians is also bordering on stupidity. You can't blackmail anyone with a video that the whole world has seen. Marin would only have made herself blackmailable if this video had ended up unpublished on dark paths, as a "compromat", in the hands of the Russian secret service. The latter could have threatened Marin with publication in the event that it led Finland into NATO. But that is not what happened.
What exactly is Marin's mistake? Marin's mistake is that she put herself in the spotlight. She had to publicly declare that she did not take drugs, and she was not spared a drug test. And it wasn't the opposition that demanded it - something that would have been expected - but Marin's own coalition partner. An embarrassment that Marin could have spared herself had she not been so trusting.
One can certainly lament it, but the fact is that in politics everything private is political. Politicians are public people; they produce images almost constantly that end up in the public domain - even against their will and to their sometimes drastic detriment. Think of the images of CDU chancellor candidate Armin Laschet laughing during the flood disaster on the Ahr River.
Yes, a politician is allowed to dance. And celebrate. And drink alcohol, too. But she has to know that she produces images of herself that she can't get rid of. That's the downside of vanity media like Instagram: Impending loss of control, as a result of a misjudgment.
Anyone who surfs such public hype as Sanna Marin can easily fall into the belief that she can get away with just about anything. That is the vanity trap. If you fall into it, mistakes like this happen.
For many young people, not only in her country, Sanna Marin has become a role model - an example that governing can also be cool. But it has also become clear once again where the limits lie.
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So apparently a private contact who abused Marin's trust. But as the saying goes: trust is nice - control is better.
Top assume it were a Russian plot to make her vulnerable for blackmailing, indeed is a stupid theory. If the Russians "convinced" somebody to release the video, then it was not for that purpose, but to stir up and distract Finish inner politics and so add to destablizing efforts that they aim at practially every Western nation, principally and since decades.
Jimbuna
08-21-22, 01:14 PM
She'll never be as sexy looking as our Maggie was :)
Jeff-Groves
08-21-22, 03:08 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIb6AZdTr-A
I'm old enough to remember people saying that JFK wasn't acting presidential when he suddenly stripped off his clothes and jumped into Santa Monica bay.
Personally I don't mind these momentary displays of youthful ribaldry among executives because it's a sign they are not the stick in the mud types I so loath.
She'll never be as sexy looking as our Maggie was :)
:03:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOxeH_OQpFw
Jeff-Groves
08-21-22, 05:10 PM
Personally I don't mind these momentary displays of youthful ribaldry among executives because it's a sign they are not the stick in the mud types I so loath.
I agree with you! Seems all the A-Holes in power now act SO Beyound pure.
All the while putting stuff up our Arses as they take more money and Liberty from us.
They should just name everything thing they pass as "The Bend Over and Take It Bill".
Catfish
08-22-22, 01:22 AM
[...] Personally I don't mind these momentary displays of youthful ribaldry among executives because it's a sign they are not the stick in the mud types I so loath.
Wholehartedly agree!
Rockstar
08-22-22, 05:52 PM
I'm old enough to remember people saying that JFK wasn't acting presidential when he suddenly stripped off his clothes and jumped into Santa Monica bay.
Personally I don't mind these momentary displays of youthful ribaldry among executives because it's a sign they are not the stick in the mud types I so loath.
It’s one thing to go for a swim. But who is going to take this prime minister seriously now? One look at her I’m thinking how can I get jiggy with hoochie mama and seeing her get it on with with some more girl on girl action. Ya baby. ;)
It’s one thing to go for a swim. But who is going to take this prime minister seriously now? One look at her I’m thinking how can I get jiggy with hoochie mama and seeing her get it on with with some more girl on girl action. Ya baby. ;)
Yeah right, i'd bet if you were face to face she'd play you like a fiddle at an Ozark hoe-down. :)
Rockstar
08-22-22, 07:08 PM
Yeah right, i'd bet if you were face to face she'd play you like a fiddle at an Ozark hoe-down. :)
No way dude, I got skills. :arrgh!: :yep:
She’s not a Prime Minister she's a party girl who likes to get her freak on. She’s easy, therefore a security risk.
She wants me. :arrgh!: :haha:
https://smartcdn.gprod.postmedia.digital/torontosun/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Sanna-Marin.jpg
Buddahaid
08-22-22, 10:31 PM
No way dude, I got skills. :arrgh!: :yep:
She’s not a Prime Minister she's a party girl who likes to get her freak on. She’s easy, therefore a security risk.
She wants me. :arrgh!: :haha:
Get in line.:Kaleun_Wink:
Rockstar
08-22-22, 10:41 PM
Wait in line? Bah! She’s married but was still caught twerking and bumping uglies with a male dance partner not her husband.
I’m pretty sure that Finlands Prime Minister Ms. Hoochie Mama could handle both of us at the same time. :yep:
Rockstar
08-23-22, 08:26 PM
I know we were assured it’s a non-story :har: She’s an irresponsible Hoochie mama who placed the security of Finland in jeopardy. :yep:
The section found on page 70 of the minister's handbook talks about civil servants, but the same instructions also apply to ministers.
- Due to their position, all civil servants must behave properly, properly and in accordance with general propriety requirements even outside of their official duties.
Marin already stated earlier that he has not counted the number of alcohol doses he consumed during the evening. According to those present, the prime minister was clearly drunk.
The celebration, the videos and pictures that spread about it, polarize Finnish society and divide Finns in two, just like former president Donald Trump has divided the United States.
In general, the security situation in Europe is so precarious that the question of the Finnish government's ability to function is important and deserves a direct answer.
From Marin's answers on Friday, it became clear that the prime minister's relaxation between hard working days was more important than his continuous ability to function.
https://www-iltalehti-fi.translate.goog/paakirjoitus/a/64a50788-6a1a-4152-9832-f67e80556828?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp
It was and remains a non-issue. You're quoting a opinion piece from one of the same tabloid papers that made it a "scandal" in the first place.
I know we were assured it’s a non-story :har: She’s an irresponsible Hoochie mama who placed the security of Finland in jeopardy. :yep:
https://www-iltalehti-fi.translate.goog/paakirjoitus/a/64a50788-6a1a-4152-9832-f67e80556828?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp
Why does the article keep referring to her as Him, He and His? Do they not know or are they talking about someone else?
^ We have no gender pronouns in Finnish language, so Google is confused.
Rockstar
08-24-22, 08:23 AM
It was and remains a non-issue. You're quoting a opinion piece from one of the same tabloid papers that made it a "scandal" in the first place.
Kinda like the New York Times fact checkers then? :har:
Fact remains they are valid opinions and concerns, the Prime Minister of Finland is a drunk two timing hoochie mama who clearly demonstrated a complete disregard of responsible behaviour for someone in her position while border tensions are on the rise and a war raging on in Ukraine. For others it’s something to be swept under the rug. c'est la vie
But let’s face it if it’s just one big misunderstanding why is Finnish Prime Minister Bimbo on an apology tour? Or is the Helsinki Times just another tabloid too? I bet there are more than just a few who think ms. Bimbo has taken advantage of her position for self gratification.
https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland/finland-news/politics/22071-sanna-marin-apologises-for-inappropriate-images-shot-at-official-residence.html
https://i.imgflip.com/10ojos.jpg
Why does the article keep referring to her as Him, He and His? Do they not know or are they talking about someone else?
I think its Google Translate doing that.
Skybird
08-24-22, 09:06 AM
There has been nmore photo footage been released.
Its not really a "scandal", but a breach of etiquette, bad style, and since more "revelations" followed the first shot, it indicates a loss of control on her side. At leats thats what it gets interpreted as. This results in a loss of prestige, and herein - and exclusively - lies the problem. Because she is not ordinary Sue working in the supermarket and filling up the shelves, but a prime minister representing a country. Thats something slightly different, and commands more "style", "class".
"Bilder machen Leute."
Rockstar
08-24-22, 12:09 PM
Exactly, every time she takes to the podium to speak. I’m not thinking hey there’s the Prime Minister of Finland who deserves some respect. I’m thinking oh look it’s the bimbo, boy I bet she’d look hot as hell dressed in a skimpy French maid costume. :arrgh!:
http://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1bCzRoNPI8KJjSspfq6ACFXXat.jpg
Jeff-Groves
08-24-22, 12:23 PM
Based on the link you posted?
Maybe she looks like this?
https://media.entertainmentearth.com/assets/images/c5997a24e9c343359a2fd8cbe5dc4673.jpg
Jeff-Groves
08-24-22, 12:26 PM
There has been nmore photo footage been released.
Its not really a "scandal", but a breach of etiquette, bad style, and since more "revelations" followed the first shot, it indicates a loss of control on her side. At leats thats what it gets interpreted as. This results in a loss of prestige, and herein - and exclusively - lies the problem. Because she is not ordinary Sue working in the supermarket and filling up the shelves, but a prime minister representing a country. Thats something slightly different, and commands more "style", "class".
"Bilder machen Leute."
Now that sounds like a Clinton who famously stated......
'Basket Of Deplorables,'
Mean while the German leaders say one thing and do another. And I see nothing being done about that Putin sympathizer and cohort.
Rockstar
08-24-22, 12:46 PM
Based on the link you posted?
Maybe she looks like this?
https://media.entertainmentearth.com/assets/images/c5997a24e9c343359a2fd8cbe5dc4673.jpg
Looking over the photos taken of PM hoochie mama I’m pretty sure she wouldn’t look like that. Her side piece Olavi Uusivirta might look good in it through. :03:
Jeff-Groves
08-24-22, 12:58 PM
Hell. I'd Vote for her if I lived in Findland!
She reminds me of my Wife. And my Wife likes to relax and have fun.
But.... She has broken more noses when a fight goes down then many of my Male friends!
NEVER under estimate a BITCH on a Mission!
Exactly, every time she takes to the podium to speak. I’m not thinking hey there’s the Prime Minister of Finland who deserves some respect. I’m thinking oh look it’s the bimbo, boy I bet she’d look hot as hell dressed in a skimpy French maid costume. :arrgh!:
I'd bet you'd look hot as hell dressed in a skimpy French maid costume as well but unless that is what the Finnish PM wore in any of those pics or videos then i'd say your picture is a bit over the top.
In other Finnish news the Finns Party, either a right wing or center left opposition party depending on who you are talking to, is gaining in popularity.
HS: Support for Finns Party jumps by more than a percentage point
THE NATIONAL COALITION sits at the top of the latest opinion poll by Helsingin Sanomat.
The newspaper revealed this morning that support for the right-wing opposition party decreased by 0.9 percentage points from the previous poll to 23.0 per cent, leaving it with a 2.9-point advantage over the Social Democrats. The opposition party has lost some of the supporters it won over in the aftermath of its successful municipal election campaign last year.
“Although the National Coalition is still clearly the most well supported party, it’s currently leaning more heavily on support from people who voted for it in the municipal elections than a month ago,” Sakari Nurmela, the managing director of Kantar Public, commented to Helsingin Sanomat.
Support for the Social Democrats continued on its stable, slightly upward trajectory by creeping up by 0.2 points to 20.1 per cent.
“The change from the previous month is very minor even though the party did get across to the right side of a kind of a psychological barrier as its popularity rose to over 20 per cent,” analysed Nurmela.
The Finns Party saw its popularity increase by 1.3 points to 16.0 per cent. Nurmela estimated that the populist right-wing opposition party has managed to canvass support among voters after taking a step back in the polls during the Nato debate.
“Over the past month, people who abstained from voting in the municipal elections have voiced their support for the Finns Party,” he said.
The three parties are well separated from other political parties in Finland.
Support for the Centre fell by 0.6 points to 11.0 per cent as some of its former supporters continue to shun it in favour of the National Coalition. The number of former supporters monitoring the situation from the sidelines has similarly increased, according to Nurmela.
The other parties recorded only minor changes in their approval ratings. The Green League and Movement Now both saw their popularity increase by 0.1 points to 9.9 and 2.3 per cent, respectively. The Left Alliance and Swedish People’s Party recorded a drop of 0.1 points in support, falling to 7.6 and 4.5 per cent, respectively.
The Christian Democrats saw its popularity slip by 0.2 points to 3.4 per cent.
Kantar Public interviewed 2,586 people for the poll between 18 June and 12 August. Slightly more than one-third (34%) of the people contacted were unable or unwilling to disclose which party would receive their vote if the parliamentary elections were held now.
The poll results have a margin of error of +/-2.1 points as far as the largest parties are concerned.
Aleksi Teivainen – HT
https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland/finland-news/politics/22050-hs-support-for-finns-party-jumps-by-more-than-a-percentage-point.html
Skybird
08-24-22, 02:59 PM
Exactly, every time she takes to the podium to speak. I’m not thinking hey there’s the Prime Minister of Finland who deserves some respect. I’m thinking oh look it’s the bimbo, boy I bet she’d look hot as hell dressed in a skimpy French maid costume. :arrgh!:
http://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1bCzRoNPI8KJjSspfq6ACFXXat.jpg
That maybe is a bit too much to describe her, but its about the loss of control this affair displays, and which is being interpreted as weakness. Also, since the first video there have been more releases, new photo of two of her females guests showing topless and covering themsleves with a Finnish flag, and two other female guests, who danced closely entwined lasciviously with each other.
He rlatest appearnce at a press confernce where she apologized, did not make it better. Not becasue she apologized, but becasue she showed more extrenely emptional vuzlneraiblity, almost cried.
You cannot do this in a job/position like thta, sorry. abolsuzely no go, the whole chain of event. Youz complain about wnating to have a priuvate life, Sann Marion? Quit and leave the media's search lights. As a prime minister, you have to accept being put under the media'S microscope and trioggering reactions like these - and you have to be prepared to not provoke them and you have to understand why that must be so.
The leader of a country is no ordinary private person like any other. He/she cannot be. Because he is accountable and so everybody has a right to know about him/her. And so: constant observation.
Don't like it? Don't candidate for this job. All problems solved.
Rockstar
08-24-22, 04:55 PM
My point wasn’t to describe her the point was who can take her seriously as a prime minister? She can talk all she wants now about climate change, the children, economy, whatever. But after seeing her three sheets into the wind, hanging out with naked chicks, bumping uglies on the dance floor at the official summer residence. My mind will instead immediately wander, “boy I bet she’d look hot in a skimpy French maid costume” . :D
You know she would too.
Rockstar
08-24-22, 05:55 PM
Anyone want to bet how good time sally got the job of prime minister? :yep:
https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/columns/columns/viewpoint/22065-dancing-in-the-dark-a-high-school-musical-starring-sanna-marin-as-the-prom-minister.html
Marin was not elected as the prime minister by popular vote. When in Dec. 2019 the centre party, announced that it had lost confidence in Antti Rinne, the leader of the Social Democratic Party and elected prime minister of the time, The Social Democratic party council, consisting of 61 members including the outgoing prime minister Rinne, voted to select one of the two deputy leaders of the party to replace Rinne as the party leader. Rinne’s protégé, Marin won by 32 of the votes. Thus a few members of the social democratic party decided that the country should be run by a recently graduated first-time MP in her 30s, with no experience in leadership and her only real-world job experience being a summer cashier of a department store.
There were many experienced politicians within the party, but that is not how it works, it’s not about competence or experience or what’s best for the country, but the internal dynamics, relations and favouritism within the group.
Rockstar
08-24-22, 05:59 PM
Going on the apology tour.
https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland/finland-news/politics/22071-sanna-marin-apologises-for-inappropriate-images-shot-at-official-residence.html
Just a day after the video leaks of Finland’s young prime minister partying at private apartments and snuggling up with Finnish singer and actor Olavi Uusivirta in a Helsinki night club, she had to apologise for new images posted on TikTok.
The image depicts two topless women, reality TV persona Sabina Särkkä, and poet Natalia Kallio, kissing in the bathroom of the prime minister’s official residence.
One of the women is covering her bare breasts with the sign “Finland” which is usually used to indicate participants of a meeting.
Another video published by a tabloid yesterday shows the prime minister dancing - hips locked and knees interlaced - with ms. Särkkä in a Helsinki nigh club at the early hours of Sunday 7th of August, the night after the private party videos were shot.
The image is part of a video titled “Kesärata 22”, where singer, songwriter Alma is improvising a rap about “boobs.” The video was later removed from the TikTok account of Särkkä.
“I saw the image this morning. Yes the images are shot in the official residence (Kesäranta) on the Sunday after (the music festival) Ruisrock. I had friends over. We swam and went to the sauna and spent time in the yard. The images are apparently taken in the downstairs bathroom which was available to guests”, said Marin. “In my opinion the image is not appropriate and shouldn’t have been taken”
The official residence of the prime minister has traditionally been used for representation and most previous prime ministers have not lived there. Marin and his family moved to the residence from the beginning of her post and the couple’s wedding ceremony was also held there. It is unprecedented that the residence had been used for private parties.
Last year, it turned out that Marin had used state funds to order “breakfast” and cold meals for herself and her family on daily basis. The so called breakfast allowance which was originally meant for occasional use, when the prime minister and guests would stay in the residence was according to commentators stretched too far. The benefit was also not mentioned in the prime minister’s tax reports, Marin later apologised and returned some of the used benefits; the sum of €14 000 to taxpayers.
It could have been worse-It could have been a leaked video of Trump or Boris dancing topless.
Markus
Rockstar
08-24-22, 06:49 PM
It could have been worse-It could have been a leaked video of Trump or Boris dancing topless.
Markus
Egads seeing that would have scarred us all for life. :timeout:
As it stands now Boris was booted out of his position for less and Trump is still being hounded. In the case Finlands Prime Grocery Clerk and Cashier I guess being perceived has a poor helpless hoochie mama helps.
Anyone want to bet how good time sally got the job of prime minister? :yep:
https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/columns/columns/viewpoint/22065-dancing-in-the-dark-a-high-school-musical-starring-sanna-marin-as-the-prom-minister.html
I believe that's how every Finnish PM gets their job as in the Parliamentary system Prime Ministers are chosen by the ruling party, not by direct election like our POTUS.
Jeff-Groves
08-24-22, 09:32 PM
What's the problem?
They wanted a 'Party Leader', they got one.
:har:
Aktungbby
08-25-22, 02:15 AM
What's the problem?
They wanted a 'Party Leader', they got one.
:har:...who obviously didn't attend a proper finnishing school for proper young ladies??!:doh:
:oops::shucks:
Red Devil
08-25-22, 09:15 AM
Finlands PM is a DOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL :yeah:
media make me cringe. So a PM is not allowed to go and have a few and dance on a Saturday night. BS
I'm old enough to remember people saying that JFK wasn't acting presidential when he suddenly stripped off his clothes and jumped into Santa Monica bay.
Personally I don't mind these momentary displays of youthful ribaldry among executives because it's a sign they are not the stick in the mud types I so loath.
He would never survive today. He has hair on his chest and to Musculair.
There is no way Finland's PM Sanna Mirella Marin, Can best America's representative, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. And the Germans have Angela Dorothea Merkel.
Catfish
08-27-22, 04:39 AM
This is a non-thread :yep: :haha:
Jimbuna
08-27-22, 05:52 AM
This is a non-thread :yep: :haha:
Yep :yep:
There is no way Finland's PM Sanna Mirella Marin, Can best America's representative, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. And the Germans have Angela Dorothea Merkel.
You had to look up Merkels middle name just so they would all have three names, right? :haha:
Rockstar
11-12-22, 11:16 PM
Original
https://www.fr.de/politik/putin-merkel-finnland-baerbock-waffenlieferung-russland-ukraine-krieg-deutschland-energie-ampel-zr-91901608.html
Google translate
https://www-fr-de.translate.goog/politik/putin-merkel-finnland-baerbock-waffenlieferung-russland-ukraine-krieg-deutschland-energie-ampel-zr-91901608.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp
Finland angry at Germany: "You didn't understand the basic rule in dealing with Russia"
Created:11/13/2022 4:55 am
By: Anna-Katharina Ahnefeld
Germany's reputation in the world has suffered greatly since the Ukraine war. Finland's anger at Berlin is new: "How slowly are you learning to read Russia"?
Helsinki/Brussels/Cologne – A cartoon recently circulated in Finland. Two men are sitting in a bathtub filled with oil, the liquid is foaming between them, one of them is leaning calmly on the edge of the pool, the other is anxiously holding his hands up. The first is the Russian ruler Vladimir Putin, the second Chancellor Olaf Scholz (SPD). The caricature reveals something about the seething in Finland in view of Germany's Russia policy. Finland is furious with Germany, furious with the traffic light government for its reluctance to deliver arms to Ukraine, furious with Germany's energy dependence on Russia.
https://i.ibb.co/3fppBvq/8-D50-E35-D-95-F9-47-E7-AF12-DC5-D84-F60915.jpg
Minna Ålander, political scientist at the renowned think tank Finnish Institute of International Affairs in Helsinki, is also upset in an interview with IPPEN.MEDIA 's Frankfurter Rundschau . Until recently, Ålander lived in Germany, where he worked for the Politics and Science Foundation. She has only been back in Finland for a few months. She says: "Germany is not even aware of how much its own role in the EU has changed."
Germany in the Ukraine war: Finland is appalled by German security policy
Russia's war in Ukraine is a turning point - that's nothing new. Nor that the perception of Germany has suffered greatly in the international community despite the promise of a "turning point in time". But that Finland is also angry about Berlin - that's what it is. With its five and a half million inhabitants, the Nordic country has fewer inhabitants than Hesse, but is one of the strongest military powers in Europe. Also because Helsinki has never forgotten the danger posed by the former Soviet Union . Politics in Finland is therefore security policy.
And that's the crux of the matter. The fact that Germany has primarily pursued economic goals in its foreign policy in recent decades, such as Nord Stream 2, is incomprehensible to the Finns. To make matters worse, the Federal Republic has actually been regarded as the closest and like-minded partner in the European Union. Those times seem over: “In Finland, the perception of Germany has changed significantly this year. Germany is still considered the most important partner within the EU, but the extent of German policy mistakes in the Merkel era, especially in energy policy, has clearly come to light - with serious consequences for all of Europe," says Ålander. That Germany is so dependent on Russia for its energy policyhas embarked, Finland belches badly.
The Finnish MEP Petri Sarvamaa (EPP) underlines this as well. In an interview with the Frankfurter Rundschau by IPPEN.MEDIA, he too was dismayed at the German understanding of Russia. He asks: "How slowly is Germany learning to read Russia?" He cites the Kremlin 's nuclear threats as an example . According to the Finn, he has no idea how the Federal Republic can jump over every little stick that Russia holds out to them. The threats are nothing more than a "bluff", the last remnants of Vladimir PutinStrategy. Sarvamaa: “We need to wake up and realize that these guys never say what they mean and they never mean what they say. That is the basic rule for understanding Russia, which Germany completely misunderstood.”
Germany in the Russia-Ukraine war: allegations from Helsinki to Berlin – Baerbock makes promises
Speaking of waking up. On the day the Russian invasion war broke out in Ukraine, Annalena Baerbock said a remarkable sentence: "We woke up in a different world." The Greens meant a world in which war is raging again in Europe. But it quickly became apparent that it is also a world in which Germany's credibility suffers greatly. The German reaction to the Ukraine war is too slow, too little and too defensive , is the accusation that echoes through Eastern Europe in particular.
“We will convince the rest of Europe that we will do what is necessary to defend Ukraine.”
Federal Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock (Greens)
Germany is too unprepared, says Minna Ålander. “A shocking realization here in Finland was the state of the Bundeswehr. This complete unpreparedness for potential risks and crises in Germany is incomprehensible from a Finnish point of view,” said the expert on Nordic and German security policy. All the risks of German energy policy materialized in the most brutal way. Well aware of the damage Germany's image has suffered, Foreign Minister Baerbock promised during her trip to Warsaw in October: "We will convince the rest of Europe that we will do what is necessary to defend Ukraine", with reference to the delivery of the cheetah tanks.
Not only said cartoon recently circulated in Finland, but also a video recording of the Finnish Prime Minister Sanna Marin. A reporter asks the prime minister about a way out of the Ukraine war. The 36-year-old pauses briefly and then replies: "The way out of the conflict is for Russia to leave Ukraine. This is the way out of the conflict,” said the Finn. As she leaves, you can hear her laughing, the question seems so superfluous to her. It is such a matter of course that the Finns obviously miss in Germany.
Skybird
11-13-22, 06:18 PM
^ Little to add ot that. And the Frankfurter Rundschau is a quite left-leaning and politically hyper-correct German newspaper!
*Beep boop*
Both Turkey and Hungary have indicated they are now willing to ratify Finland's NATO membership. President Niinistö is in Turkey atm.
The original plan of Finland and Sweden joining together has been abandoned and it seems Finland is going in alone. That I am fine with.
Jimbuna
03-17-23, 12:13 PM
Congratulations to Finland and hopefully Sweden will follow soon.
Catfish
03-17-23, 01:48 PM
*Beep boop*
Both Turkey and Hungary have indicated they are now willing to ratify Finland's NATO membership. President Niinistö is in Turkey atm.
The original plan of Finland and Sweden joining together has been abandoned and it seems Finland is going in alone. That I am fine with.
I think this is a good thing, congratulations.
Now if you could please inject a bit of reason in (most) german politicians :)
Skybird
03-17-23, 03:10 PM
If need be, Nato will simply act as if Sweden were nato member. Cooperation and adjustment of procedures since years run already as if Sweden already were member. Turkey only delays a formality, and this at quite a cost for itself.
Glad to hear it. Good enough for now i'd say. It's not like Sweden shares a land border with Russia.
Red Devil
03-17-23, 04:02 PM
The largest numbers of flights going to and from Moscow are Turkish. So, why is NATO allowing Turkey to supply Russia? Answers on the back of a $9 bill.
Catfish
03-17-23, 04:08 PM
The largest numbers of flights going to and from Moscow are Turkish. So, why is NATO allowing Turkey to supply Russia? Answers on the back of a $9 bill.
Well Turkey actually is a NATO member. Yes, Erdoghan is playing his own corrupt game, and lots of westerners follow him gladly.
On the other hand he just gave his ok for Finnland, and Turkey has just announced to stop servicing russian airliners.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1636480946089218048
:Kaleun_Wink:
Skybird
04-03-23, 09:19 AM
At national electiosn yesterday, Marin managed to gain votes, but still finishing third. NATO membership was no deciding issue, since all three rivaling parties wanted it. I read centralisation of health care leading to even longer waiting times to get dates with a doctor or for hospital, and high state debts were what ruined it for her. Also that she could not hold her coalition with the Greens together over disputes in environmental protection issues.
Rockstar
04-03-23, 09:38 AM
At national electiosn yesterday, Marin managed to gain votes, but still finishing third. NATO membership was no deciding issue, since all three rivaling parties wanted it. I read centralisation of health care leading to even longer waiting times to get dates with a doctor or for hospital, and high state debts were what ruined it for her. Also that she could not hold her coalition with the Greens together over disputes in environmental protection issues.
According to Minna Ålander: “Foreign journalists are deeply confused “how could Finland’s most celebrated politician Sanna Marin lose the election ??”
Well, she’s a case of a politician who is more popular abroad than domestically”
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“… it’s almost a rule that a sitting PM loses the elections in Finland. So the fact that Marin’s social democrats gained seats (even if it was due to tactical voting) is quite the win.”
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“Also, never underestimate how riled up Finns can get about public debt. Finland’s public debt has been growing consistently since the financial crisis and there was a new covid-induced peak during Marin’s time in office.”
Stoltenberg: Finland will become Nato member on Tuesday
https://yle.fi/a/74-20025615
Finland will become a full member of Nato on Tuesday 4 April, according to the alliance's Secretary General, Jens Stoltenberg.
"This is a historic week. Tomorrow we will welcome Finland as the 31st member of Nato, making Finland safer and our alliance stronger. We will raise the Finnish flag for the first time here at the Nato headquarters," Stoltenberg told a press conference on Monday afternoon.
Red Devil
04-03-23, 11:07 AM
Welcome Finland.
What happened to Sweden, did they bottle it?
Jimbuna
04-03-23, 12:20 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ5o7RAQjQE
Jimbuna
04-03-23, 01:07 PM
The only way '12 units and divisions' could be formed without mass conscription would be taking troops from the east and I'm sure the Chinese would be all in favour of this.
(Reuters) - Russia will strengthen its military capacity in its western and northwestern regions in response to Finland's expected accession to NATO on Tuesday, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Alexander Grushko said, state-owned news agency RIA reported.
Finland and Sweden applied to join NATO last year after Russia invaded Ukraine. Finland has a 1,300-km (810-mile) border with Russia that will roughly double the transatlantic alliance's frontier facing Moscow.
Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu said last year that Russia was taking "adequate countermeasures" and would form 12 units and divisions in its western military district.
Grushko told RIA: "We will strengthen our military potential in the western and northwestern direction. In the event that the forces and resources of other NATO members are deployed in Finland, we will take additional steps to reliably ensure Russia's military security."
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/russia-says-it-will-beef-up-military-in-northwest-as-finland-joins-nato-ria/ar-AA19pU29?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=85590771b1604bc2b7c7138621d90b35&ei=11
Skybird
04-03-23, 02:49 PM
^ Pffft... It was only a few months ago that they have massively withdrawn units from the border with Finland in order to be able to militarily maintain their invasion of Ukraine. This clearly says how much they actually feel "threatened": not at all.
Skybird
04-04-23, 08:35 AM
Done!
https://www.tagesspiegel.de/images/nato-aussenministertreffen/alternates/BASE_21_9_W1000/nato-aussenministertreffen.jpeg
Welcome, Finland. :salute:
Sweden next. :03:
Jimbuna
04-04-23, 08:40 AM
The length of Russia's border with Nato member states has now doubled.
Rockstar
04-04-23, 04:10 PM
https://i.postimg.cc/R0MpJJk9/7-B6-B7058-3-C61-4606-A5-C1-979-BFB6-B17-EC.jpg
Jimbuna
04-05-23, 06:14 AM
Finland are in a better position militarily than the majority of NATO members.
I thought Poland would have shared that position. :hmmm:
Jimbuna
04-05-23, 07:17 AM
Indeed but Finland specialise in certain areas such as artillery and manpower reserves as well as specific training based on fighting Russia (Finland's ground, naval and air forces are all trained and equipped with one primary aim - to repel any Russian invasion.)
^ I like that, I like it a lot! :Kaleun_Applaud:
Jimbuna
04-05-23, 08:27 AM
Yes, a big gain for NATO.
Putrid wanted to push back NATO but what he has achieved is to strengthen it and brought NATO to the Russian border.
The vultures at the Kremlin realise this and if anything will strengthen the will of those who plot to overthrow him.
Yes, a big gain for NATO.
Putrid wanted to push back NATO but what he has achieved is to strengthen it and brought NATO to the Russian border.
The vultures at the Kremlin realise this and if anything will strengthen the will of those who plot to overthrow him.
He so to say, shot him self in the foot with a big gun, by invading Ukraine.
Markus
Jimbuna
04-05-23, 08:44 AM
One problem being the possibility that whoever replaces him will be even more brutal.
Oh you are full of good news Jim!!:timeout:
One problem being the possibility that whoever replaces him will be even more brutal.
It'll take a few years for the power struggles to play out but i'll bet it'll be a lot like that English movie "The Death of Stalin".
Jimbuna
04-06-23, 06:05 AM
It'll take a few years for the power struggles to play out but i'll bet it'll be a lot like that English movie "The Death of Stalin".
I found it to be quite entertaining :)
Red Devil
04-06-23, 07:12 AM
One problem being the possibility that whoever replaces him will be even more brutal.
You got that one right. Our only hope is that the rebels force their leader into place. Send Putins generals west to face war crimes charges.
Skybird
04-06-23, 07:22 AM
The "rebels" in this case are not the good guys. ;) There are no good guys.
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