Any US Expatriates here?

[Bubblehead1980]

For some time, I have considered leaving the USA. I will not renounce my citizenship but as time marches on, things just get worse here and at this point, I see this USA as a sinking ship that can not be saved. For these reasons, I wish to leave. I have a few friends who made the move and are now expatriates in various places. Just wondering if any here. Share you experiences etc.

[Rockstar]

I had friend I went to high school with in the Panama Canal Zone. Years later I tracked him down. He found a sexy live in chica and never left.

As for me I’ve been all around the Caribbean, Central and South America, nice places. But IMO they have the same problems as we do, just more of it. I was always glad to get back to the good ol’ U.S. of A.

[em2nought]

I've been thinking about this for a few years now.

I'm thinking of trying South East Asia next year if we don't tank before then. Probably Thailand. Have to put $25,000 in a Thai bank which is ok because I've seen baht surprisingly recommended as a currency to be in if the Western World purposely tanks itself. If the old King was still alive I'd feel better about Thailand. I kind of like Thailand because gold is almost a form of currency there so it's easy to move between gold and cash without the large "fees" we have so I could put most of my money in physical gold.

Too many leftists gaining power in South America. Even an ex-terrorist buddy of Maduro's in Colombia. Making for a good exchange rate right now though. Some nice weather in the mountains without the need for ac or heat though.

Once we purposely tank ourselves and keep telling the rest of the world what lousy people we whites are they might not want us anymore. :hmmm:

I've been to Colombia and Thailand and I feel much safer in Thailand. The food is great. I can get actual foot massages, getting too old to care about the other kind so much. LOL I feel safer banking there, I can get by without a vehicle there, and eat out every day for cheaper than I can cook for in the USA. I think the medical care there is actually better than it is here, and much cheaper. I've had a physical there a few years ago. Rent is cheap there. If you buy a condo the HOA fees there don't rob you like they do in the USA. My HOA here is more than I'd pay to rent and air condition a similar place in Thailand

[Aktungbby]

He found a sexy live in chica and never left.
Hey! A broad whilst living abroad !!?:Kaleun_Thumbs_Up:

I've been mulling over Portugal, Dutch Antilles(Bonaire)or Costa Rica for some time...the key issue is banking systems that don't get "nationalized" periodically:hmmm:

[stork100]

Best to stay away from Australia. :) Everything's ridiculously expensive or unavailable, nobody can actually do anything, you get fined if you don't vote, guns are only for baddies, the power is supplied by Elon Musk's big battery (which only occasionally catches on fire) and we're about to become a Chinese protectorate.

[em2nought]

Hey! A broad whilst living abroad !!?:Kaleun_Thumbs_Up:

I've been mulling over Portugal, Dutch Antilles(Bonaire)or Costa Rica for some time...the key issue is banking systems that don't get "nationalized" periodically:hmmm:

Someplace with vaults that aren't within the banking system. :up: Not because I plan to do anything naughty, I'm about the most law abiding citizen I can think of. It's in case the powers that be are naughty, and lets face it they're already naughty. But now they've added "stupid" and "insane" to their resume as well.

Da Lat in Vietnam looks like a place I could live. 5000 ft elevation with cooler temperatures. Lots of good looking food, and an alpine roller coaster. LOL

[Bubblehead1980]

Best to stay away from Australia. :) Everything's ridiculously expensive or unavailable, nobody can actually do anything, you get fined if you don't vote, guns are only for baddies, the power is supplied by Elon Musk's big battery (which only occasionally catches on fire) and we're about to become a Chinese protectorate.


Quite sad because I loved it when I visited but yes, I am aware of the problems and thus Australia is not on my list.

[Commander Wallace]

I found a few places in the U.K right next to Jimbuna and another next to Eichhörnchen (https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/member.php?u=329818). I declined to buy the properties as I don't want them complaining in Subsim, " well, there goes the neighborhood. " in the event I moved there. :haha:



Seriously, the U.S may have it's issues but I would rather be here than anywhere else. :yep:

[mapuc]

You could also move to our little island here in Denmark.

Here we have the motto-What can be postpone to next week we postpone-With other words-We take it very easy...

It's also very calm here and the busses is free-no cost.

Markus

[nikimcbee]

I found a few places in the U.K right next to Jimbuna and another next to Eichhörnchen (https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/member.php?u=329818). I declined to buy the properties as I don't want them complaining in Subsim, " well, there goes the neighborhood. " in the event I moved there. :haha:



Seriously, the U.S may have it's issues but I would rather be here than anywhere else. :yep:


Move in next to Jim?:hmmm:


We could go find Steed's flat?:Kaleun_Cheers:


Just think of the fun you'd have at the pub?!

[nikimcbee]

Hey! A broad whilst living abroad !!?:Kaleun_Thumbs_Up:

I've been mulling over Portugal, Dutch Antilles(Bonaire)or Costa Rica for some time...the key issue is banking systems that don't get "nationalized" periodically:hmmm:


I guess Russia and Ukraine are out? Lots of military adventures await....:Kaleun_Wink:

[Kapitan]

Surprised a lot more Americans haven't chosen Canada

Its a bit like the USA in quite a few ways but also like the UK in others, We don't have the gun violence we do have a slower more relaxed speed to life the biggest drawback with Canada though is Winter.

[Rockstar]

Here we have the motto-What can be postpone to next week we postpone-With other words-We take it very easy...


Markus

I and I call di ting ‘island’ time’ yuh know.

[ET2SN]

Surprised a lot more Americans haven't chosen Canada


I'm afraid it isn't that easy. First, we would have to convince some folks in Ottawa that we aren't loonies. :timeout:

"So, we've reviewed your application. Why do you want to live in Canada?"

"Well, I used to live in Houlton, Me. and I could throw a rock across the border into New Brunswick plus I love Tim Horton's". :D

"That close to the border, aye? So, you plan to move to New Brunswick?"

"Oh no, if that guy in Woodstock figures out how all his windows got broken he's going to be ##ssed." :D

"I see... So, any hobbies?"

"Well, I enjoy building miniature nuclear submarines and playing Whack-A-Squirrel."

"Playing what??"

"Whack-A-Squirrel. I hit virtual squirrels with an imaginary wooden stick while I taunt a retiree from California." :D

"A virtual retiree from California, I take it?"

"Oh no, he's real, alright. He even owns a boat." :D


"I see.." :hmph:

[Platapus]

Seriously, the U.S may have it's issues but I would rather be here than anywhere else. :yep:


Exactly, we may have problems, but overall, it is still a nice place to live and big enough that frankly most problems can be ignored

[Platapus]

Surprised a lot more Americans haven't chosen Canada




emigrating to Canada is not always easy, especially for older people. The last thing Canada wants is a bunch of old people who have not paid into their social systems moving there and taking advantage of it. Can't blame them

[Bubblehead1980]

You could also move to our little island here in Denmark.

Here we have the motto-What can be postpone to next week we postpone-With other words-We take it very easy...

It's also very calm here and the busses is free-no cost.

Markus



Actually, I've looked into Denmark, it is on the list along with Switzerland, and Finland.

[Bubblehead1980]

Exactly, we may have problems, but overall, it is still a nice place to live and big enough that frankly most problems can be ignored



I have to disagree, especially for those of us under 40. We are a nation of corporate feudalism, intertwined with a emerging theocracy. Supreme Court which just took away the right to body autonomy from half of the population, said let each state decide if they are worthy of controlling their own body. Why? because it suited their religious views and they used their legal "thought" as a façade to justify their actions. Other rights are next...guaranteed. US has a broken election system and a myriad of other problems. I am in my late 30's and have decided I do not want to waste my life in this country. I am in a more fortunate position than most and would likely be fine here, but there is better out there and as such I refuse to be stuck on this sinking ship, that will likely sink during my lifetime. Future of the USA is not bright, especially for younger people.

[August]

I have to disagree, especially for those of us under 40. We are a nation of corporate feudalism, intertwined with a emerging theocracy. Supreme Court which just took away the right to body autonomy from half of the population, said let each state decide if they are worthy of controlling their own body. Why? because it suited their religious views and they used their legal "thought" as a façade to justify their actions. Other rights are next...guaranteed. US has a broken election system and a myriad of other problems. I am in my late 30's and have decided I do not want to waste my life in this country. I am in a more fortunate position than most and would likely be fine here, but there is better out there and as such I refuse to be stuck on this sinking ship, that will likely sink during my lifetime. Future of the USA is not bright, especially for younger people.


So where are you heading Bub? What nation do you see as a preferable alternative to this one?

[Sean C]

I'm sticking it out 'til the bitter end. I've been to several other countries both as a visitor and temporary resident. They were nice, and I enjoyed my time there. But there is no place I'd rather be than here. The U.S. isn't perfect - of course - but it is my home and I love it dearly. And as others have mentioned, every country has its own problems.

If I'm going down with this ship, I'll go down fighting.

Besides, this country has been through worse. Civil war, depression, world war, Woodrow Wilson ...

Supreme Court which just took away the right to body autonomy from half of the population, said let each state decide if they are worthy of controlling their own body. Why? because it suited their religious views and they used their legal "thought" as a façade to justify their actions.

Wrong. They did it because of an oft forgotten passage in the Constitution known as the Tenth Amendment. The federal government's charter only provides a very limited number of powers and duties - and those don't include making decisions on abortions. Many federal laws are in direct violation of the Constitution. There is a reason this is called "The United States of America" and not "The Federal District of America".

(NB: I am pro-choice.)

[em2nought]

Woodrow Wilson

Yeah, I curse that guy every April 15th. :D

Bubblehead wants to leave because he thinks I'm winning, and I want to leave because I think he's winning. LOL I was planning on it before just because you can get by cheaper overseas, but now it's getting even cheaper in comparison. My bank charged me $17 for a book of ten checks last week. They didn't bother to tell me it would only be ten checks or I'd have told them to pound sand. :03:

[August]

A lot of people, mostly liberals, have publicly and self righteously declared that they were leaving the country for good if some pol they didn't like was elected or some law was passed they didn't like. There were many of them talking that crap before Donald Trump was elected. Same thing when George Bush took office. Same thing now that the SCOTUS has corrected some of the previous courts judicial overreaches as well as some by the executive branches.

But sadly, few if any of them actually backed it up with real action which makes them clownish hypocrites in my book. I say to anyone who wants to leave, don't be one of those sad fools. Stand by your principles! Just find a place that will take you and will meet your standards go there and apply for citizenship. I'm sure that they would take you being simpatico to their better way of life.

Just show some commitment and courage in your convictions and give up your US citizenship when you do. Not only would your former countrymen appreciate it, it might also help to put you in good stead with your adopted homeland.

[Aktungbby]

"I see... So, any hobbies?"

"Well, I enjoy building miniature nuclear submarines and playing Whack-A-Squirrel."

"Playing what??"

"Whack-A-Squirrel. I hit virtual squirrels with an imaginary wooden stick while I taunt a retiree from California." :D

"A virtual retiree from California, I take it?"

"Oh no, he's real, alright. He even owns a boat." :D


"I see.." :hmph:...who can out-Whack U; out-sail U; and out-hook U in the scrum! :arrgh!:And is even contemplating a return to Brockville, Canada(near Toronto- a Kincaid stronghold since the 1700's) where my maternal grandparents emigrated from...but then I'd have to put up with inlaws and cold winters!:nope::O:

[Commander Wallace]

.And is even contemplating a return to Brockville, Canada(near Toronto- a Kincaid stronghold since the 1700's) where my maternal grandparents emigrated from...but then I'd have to put up with inlaws and cold winters!:nope::O:


Well, there are inlaws and then there are outlaws. :haha:

[ET2SN]

...who can out-Whack U; out-sail U; and out-hook U in the scrum! :arrgh!:And is even contemplating a return to Brockville, Canada(near Toronto- a Kincaid stronghold since the 1700's) where my maternal grandparents emigrated from...but then I'd have to put up with inlaws and cold winters!:nope::O:

It gets below 50 F. You'd never make it. :yep: :O:

[Bubblehead1980]

So where are you heading Bub? What nation do you see as a preferable alternative to this one?


I am still researching to make my decision. Denmark, Finland, Switzerland, Germany have my interest. I have a friend loving it in Panama, although may bit a bit too hot for me down there.

[Rockstar]

I used live in Gatun you’d love Panama, it has a pretty diverse landscape to choose from. Cool windy beaches, steamy tropical rain forests and freezing cold waters flowing down from the high mountains in the interior of Panama. And it only has two seasons! There’s rainy season (lots of rain) and dry season (lots of wind). It’s beautiful.

Edit: I’m also pretty sure the U.S. dollar and the Balboa still have a 1:1 exchange rate too. That’s a big plus.

[August]

I am still researching to make my decision. Denmark, Finland, Switzerland, Germany have my interest. I have a friend loving it in Panama, although may bit a bit too hot for me down there.


Well good luck to you but I doubt you will find things much different in those countries. IMO you misjudge the state and direction of this nation but I think it will take actually living in a foreign land for a time to make you realize it.

[Bubblehead1980]

Well good luck to you but I doubt you will find things much different in those countries. IMO you misjudge the state and direction of this nation but I think it will take actually living in a foreign land for a time to make you realize it.

I've visited some of them, of course visiting is different than living, thus the research continues.


How have I misjudged the US ? I am always curious when I hear that, seems almost obtuse to the problems we have.


Only thing we actual lead the world in is:

1. People who believe in the imaginary, omnipotent man in the sky. Thus, we suffer all of the associated nonsense that comes with that.

2. Military spending

3. Number of people incarcerated. Oh yea, we STILL execute people.

We have two million plus people in prison, widespread poverty, crime, violence, lower life expectancy, 30 million plus people without health insurance, employees have few rights compared to other western nations, no guaranteed vacation, parental leave etc (well not adequate), a housing crisis. because greedy corporations are buying up "starter" homes. Add in the growing authoritarianism, stripping of rights thanks religious zealots controlling highest court in the land. Nothing will change for better any time soon.

[August]

I've visited some of them, of course visiting is different than living, thus the research continues.


How have I misjudged the US ? I am always curious when I hear that, seems almost obtuse to the problems we have.


Only thing we actual lead the world in is:

1. People who believe in the imaginary, omnipotent man in the sky. Thus, we suffer all of the associated nonsense that comes with that.

2. Military spending

3. Number of people incarcerated. Oh yea, we STILL execute people.

We have two million plus people in prison, widespread poverty, crime, violence, lower life expectancy, 30 million plus people without health insurance, employees have few rights compared to other western nations, no guaranteed vacation, parental leave etc (well not adequate), a housing crisis. because greedy corporations are buying up "starter" homes. Add in the growing authoritarianism, stripping of rights thanks religious zealots controlling highest court in the land. Nothing will change for better any time soon.


Well you exaggerate our problems greatly and you will find that similar issues also exist in each of those nations you mentioned, but nobody is going to convince you of that until you see it for yourself. So go find out.

[em2nought]

I am still researching to make my decision. Denmark, Finland, Switzerland, Germany have my interest. I have a friend loving it in Panama, although may bit a bit too hot for me down there.

Those farmers in Denmark are seeming kind of "Trumpish". :D

[nikimcbee]

I guess Russian is not en vogue right now, but there is rural Siberia.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tt2AYafET68&t=1123s

[Bubblehead1980]

Well you exaggerate our problems greatly and you will find that similar issues also exist in each of those nations you mentioned, but nobody is going to convince you of that until you see it for yourself. So go find out.


Please tell which problems I am "exaggerating" or perhaps, you're being a bit obtuse to the plight of many o your fellow citizens?

[August]

Please tell which problems I am "exaggerating" or perhaps, you're being a bit obtuse to the plight of many o your fellow citizens?

Your idea that we are turning into a theocracy for one thing. Completely ridiculous as is your take on the other complaints too. But you must understand the last thing I want is to try and talk you out of leaving so any defense of them would be half hearted at best.

I really do think that you should go. Given the depths of your feelings the only moral thing you can do at this point is give up your citizenship in the country that you find so objectionable and go become a German or Finn or whatever. Maybe you will find the Utopia that you seek and if you do I hope that they take you.

[mapuc]

Denmark has like the rest of the worlds countries- its domestic problems both political and social.

Our politicians is loved and hated.

Learning Danish is difficult-You need to have a potato in your throat while speaking.

Markus

[Threadfin]

But sadly, few if any of them actually backed it up with real action which makes them clownish hypocrites in my book.


Agreed.


Bubblehead should not be discouraged in his search the perfect place to live. Good luck!!

[Rockstar]

I will add also that a lot the feelings we get about current affairs which causes one to seek solace in another country. I think comes from the massive bombardment of highly accessible media drama. Like any car crash we tend to slow down to look at the carnage. Break that habit and life is good again. Understand we can’t change the world or what we see on TV. We can only be responsible towards those around us.

That IMO is why I think a lot of expats will say it’s so much better. Because they no longer see lr hear the nonsense any where near as much.

For example when I lived in Panama we got our news from Armed Forces Radio Television Service. On the weekdays broadcast began at 3pm and ended right at midnight with the National Anthem. News coverage was no hype, no drama editorials and opinions, low key, straight to the point, professional, designed to keep everyone calm and in high spirits yet still very informative. Years later when I moved back to the States. I turned on the TV and I thought to myself what hell just happened? From the time it took me fly from Panama City to New Orleans I thought the world was coming to an end. The news scared the hell out of me I kid you not. But soon realized it’s just how they make money.

Something to consider I guess.

[mapuc]

We do not have a Biden, but we the Danes have a Frederiksen and Germany has their Scholz

Markus

[August]

I will add also that a lot the feelings we get about current affairs which causes one to seek solace in another country. I think comes from the massive bombardment of highly accessible media drama. Like any car crash we tend to slow down to look at the carnage. Break that habit and life is good again. Understand we can’t change the world or what we see on TV. We can only be responsible towards those around us.

That IMO is why I think a lot of expats will say it’s so much better. Because they no longer see lr hear the nonsense any where near as much.

For example when I lived in Panama we got our news from Armed Forces Radio Television Service. On the weekdays broadcast began at 3pm and ended right at midnight with the National Anthem. News coverage was no hype, no drama editorials and opinions, low key, straight to the point, professional, designed to keep everyone calm and in high spirits yet still very informative. Years later when I moved back to the States. I turned on the TV and I thought to myself what hell just happened? From the time it took me fly from Panama City to New Orleans I thought the world was coming to an end. The news scared the hell out of me I kid you not. But soon realized it’s just how they make money.

Something to consider I guess.




There's a lot to what you say although AFN, being a government owned and operated news outlet could not be considered a free press source.

[Rockstar]

I understand it was a government operation and not a free press. But I don’t think information was filtered that much. IMO it was more about how it was presented and the time spent on it. We always had a good understanding of world events and what was going on in the ‘zone’. We just weren’t bombarded by TV and internet media drama 24/7/365

In fact there was no such thing as internet yet :). Back then we spent our weekends fishing on the Chagres River, surfing at Devil’s Beach, doing something constructive like Onkle Neal is doing. Or goofing off and chase these little critters around the jungle.

https://www.my-photo-blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/coati.jpg

[August]

I understand it was a government operation and not a free press. But I don’t think information was filtered that much. IMO it was more about how it was presented and the time spent on it. We always had a good understanding of world events and what was going on in the ‘zone’. We just weren’t bombarded by TV and internet media drama 24/7/365



That's very true.

[Gorpet]

I've visited some of them, of course visiting is different than living, thus the research continues.


How have I misjudged the US ? I am always curious when I hear that, seems almost obtuse to the problems we have.


Only thing we actual lead the world in is:

1. People who believe in the imaginary, omnipotent man in the sky. Thus, we suffer all of the associated nonsense that comes with that.

2. Military spending

3. Number of people incarcerated. Oh yea, we STILL execute people.

We have two million plus people in prison, widespread poverty, crime, violence, lower life expectancy, 30 million plus people without health insurance, employees have few rights compared to other western nations, no guaranteed vacation, parental leave etc (well not adequate), a housing crisis. because greedy corporations are buying up "starter" homes. Add in the growing authoritarianism, stripping of rights thanks religious zealots controlling highest court in the land. Nothing will change for better any time soon.

What the hell,Life getting a little to tough for ya? 1,2,an3 Are ri·dic·u·lous.So Joe and the Democrats aren't turning out the way you envisioned? And now you want to leave.You should have left this country when Donald trump was the President. Lol there will be no fuel no airplanes no ships for you rat's to leave on. Guess what you will have to stay here with the rest of the sheep.

And embrace the future that was voted for! And for all you young voters it will mean sooner or later getting blisters on your hands working all those shovel ready jobs they promised. Look when the power outages start your not going to be able to play games all day and it will be to hot to stay inside.

You want to get out of the USA. You want to go abroad help people, Repair the damage humans have done to mother earth, sleep under the stars and live your dreams of Democracy. Catch the next flight to Ukraine and show the world,your friends and family that you are going to make a difference somewhere on this planet.Cause life in America sucks.

[Oubaas]

I've spent my adult life living all over the world. I've been to six out of seven continents. I tried to get to Antarctica, but they didn't have any billets for someone like me.


After I retired from the military, I went to Africa for many years. I finally got to an age where I said, "Okay, that's enough adventure now. Time for a quiet, normal life." I then returned to the United States, bought a ranch, and settled down for once.


Based on the life that I've led, here's my thoughts.


You're not going to fix anything by moving someplace else. All you'll do is exchange one set of problems for a new set of problems. And often the new set sucks worse than your old set of problems. There are no problem-free places. Not on this planet, anyway.


The myth of a, "free press" is a crock, unless you happen to be a billionaire who owns a major media outlet.


Do not listen to anything that the media says. The truth is not in them. Decades ago, I participated in military operations that made international news. I was there, smack in the middle of things, boots on the ground. When I got back to places where you could get things like newspapers and read the accounts of the events in which I had just participated, I inevitably thought, "Who wrote this fiction?" Most accounts were nearly unrecognizable. I doubt that the level of veracity has improved over the ensuing decades.


If you go near the media, just scan the headlines to make sure that nothing is sneaking up on you. Take all of it with a grain of salt.


If possible, live in a rural area. Fewer things to bother you. Ignore any titillating scraps of information provided by other people. They'll regurgitate anything, no matter how sketchy the source, if they think that it will make them look knowledgeable.


Do not discuss politics or religion with anyone for any reason. No good will come of it. As for current events, if it's not happening on my property, I ignore it. Don't worry until you have a reason to worry.



As you journey along the road of life, try not to let your ego or your emotions do the driving. Both of them are terrible drivers. You'll probably be in a major wreck if they drive.


Moving countries and continents is expensive. Dealing with the new country's rules and requirements can be far more stressful than anything that's currently upsetting you. Plus there are diseases for which you, unlike the locals, will not have any natural immunity. There's culture shock. And there's banking and currency exchange which are inevitably a major headache. The list goes on and on.



If you're determined to go ahead with leaving for another country, do yourself a favor. It will save you all sorts of money and headaches. Pick a place in Africa and go there on an extended vacation. Set up a checking account at a local bank. Write a few checks. Stay long enough to have to do some banking. Do it in person, at the bank. You'll get my point by the time that your vacation is over.



And once you've moved, you get to pay again to undo it when you start missing home.



Better the devil you know than the devil you don't. Most people do much better in their own country and culture.

[August]

I've spent my adult life living all over the world. I've been to six out of seven continents. I tried to get to Antarctica, but they didn't have any billets for someone like me.

After I retired from the military, I went to Africa for many years. I finally got to an age where I said, "Okay, that's enough adventure now. Time for a quiet, normal life." I then returned to the United States, bought a ranch, and settled down for once.

Based on the life that I've led, here's my thoughts.

You're not going to fix anything by moving someplace else. All you'll do is exchange one set of problems for a new set of problems. And often the new set sucks worse than your old set of problems. There are no problem-free places. Not on this planet, anyway.

The myth of a, "free press" is a crock, unless you happen to be a billionaire who owns a major media outlet.

Do not listen to anything that the media says. The truth is not in them. Decades ago, I participated in military operations that made international news. I was there, smack in the middle of things, boots on the ground. When I got back to places where you could get things like newspapers and read the accounts of the events in which I had just participated, I inevitably thought, "Who wrote this fiction?" Most accounts were nearly unrecognizable. I doubt that the level of veracity has improved over the ensuing decades.

If you go near the media, just scan the headlines to make sure that nothing is sneaking up on you. Take all of it with a grain of salt.

If possible, live in a rural area. Fewer things to bother you. Ignore any titillating scraps of information provided by other people. They'll regurgitate anything, no matter how sketchy the source, if they think that it will make them look knowledgeable.

Do not discuss politics or religion with anyone for any reason. No good will come of it. As for current events, if it's not happening on my property, I ignore it. Don't worry until you have a reason to worry.

As you journey along the road of life, try not to let your ego or your emotions do the driving. Both of them are terrible drivers. You'll probably be in a major wreck if they drive.


Moving countries and continents is expensive. Dealing with the new country's rules and requirements can be far more stressful than anything that's currently upsetting you. Plus there are diseases for which you, unlike the locals, will not have any natural immunity. There's culture shock. And there's banking and currency exchange which are inevitably a major headache. The list goes on and on.

If you're determined to go ahead with leaving for another country, do yourself a favor. It will save you all sorts of money and headaches. Pick a place in Africa and go there on an extended vacation. Set up a checking account at a local bank. Write a few checks. Stay long enough to have to do some banking. Do it in person, at the bank. You'll get my point by the time that your vacation is over.

And once you've moved, you get to pay again to undo it when you start missing home.

Better the devil you know than the devil you don't. Most people do much better in their own country and culture.




Oubaas is teh wise. :salute:

[Rockstar]

True, if you’re looking to get out of the rat race and find quiet we have a vast country which has just what you’re looking for. It might be found in other countries it may not. Expats tend to gather and form expat communities and of course are wired into the internet and cable tv just like back home. So unless you’re prepared to go all out native you’ll most likely just end up bitching and complaining about the same things argued here.

[mapuc]

Thou older you are thou difficult it is to adapt to a new country. Especially if the language and culture is far from what you are comfortable with

Markus

[Bubblehead1980]

What the hell,Life getting a little to tough for ya? 1,2,an3 Are ri·dic·u·lous.So Joe and the Democrats aren't turning out the way you envisioned? And now you want to leave.You should have left this country when Donald trump was the President. Lol there will be no fuel no airplanes no ships for you rat's to leave on. Guess what you will have to stay here with the rest of the sheep.

And embrace the future that was voted for! And for all you young voters it will mean sooner or later getting blisters on your hands working all those shovel ready jobs they promised. Look when the power outages start your not going to be able to play games all day and it will be to hot to stay inside.

You want to get out of the USA. You want to go abroad help people, Repair the damage humans have done to mother earth, sleep under the stars and live your dreams of Democracy. Catch the next flight to Ukraine and show the world,your friends and family that you are going to make a difference somewhere on this planet.Cause life in America sucks.



Actually, 1,2,3 are not ridiculous, quite easy to verify those claims.

My life is quite fine actually, but I see how things continue to decline here, no major systemic issues really get solved, see so many fellow americans suffering and it will not be any better for majority my generation.

Btw, my answer has nothing to do a political candidate or party, both major parties are wings of same bird and perpetuate same problems day after day. Your presumption is indicative of the partisan (mindless) mindset ingrained in our political culture.

[Oubaas]

So based on your points 1, 2, and 3, you're looking for a defenseless place full of atheists where no one is ever punished for their crimes?

You don't actually need to move to another country if that's the case. There are plenty of places right here in the US that meet those requirements, especially on the west coast, but lots of other places as well.

The things to which you object exist in forms so spectacular in many other countries that you couldn't begin to imagine it.

The things that you seem to desire often do not even exist in other countries.

You seem to have developed your picture of this country and the rest of the world based on propaganda and movies. That's not the way that the world really is, regardless of what the propagandists and moviemakers would lead you to believe.

You can't save the world. If you manage to get through life relatively unscathed yourself, you'll have done well. Reading your complaints and your ideas for addressing them, you appear to be getting ready to jump out of the frying pan and into the fire.

Base your life decisions on logic and reason, not emotion. If you act on the basis of emotion, the probability is high that you'll regret it.

You're obviously unhappy, but I don't believe that it's actually due to the reasons that you've identified. People whose lives are, "quite fine" are not usually looking to move to another country to start over.

You stress far too much about things over which you do not have control, and over which you will never have any control.

Identify the real basis of your unhappiness. If you act now, you'll just end up still unhappy, while trying to learn a new language and adapt to new surroundings.

The grass is always greener over the septic tank. Your view of this country and the world is unrealistic. Do not act on it. I base this on a life full of having lived all over the world. If you think that things are bad here, be thankful that you've never lived in some of the places that I've lived.

Learn to be happy with whatever comes. Other people can't make you angry and upset. They don't possess that kind of power. You have to choose to be angry and upset. But you can also choose to not be angry and upset, and to be happy and to enjoy life right where you are. Fleeing from unhappiness is like trying to flee from your shadow.

[em2nought]

Jeez guys, afraid to let go of the Biden voters? LOL

Portugal has been hot with expats from California lately. Take a vacation to one of the places you're thinking about.

Oh, you should probably consider subscribing to this magazine too https://internationalliving-magazine.com/?utm_source=Google&utm_medium=ppc&utm_campaign=brand_search&utm_content=PILVXC02&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIj57x6OH3-AIVDo7ICh2avwB4EAAYASAAEgJNgvD_BwE

[Dowly]

I'm sure us Nordics are happy to have you. Just be prepared for the winter darkness. :up:


Have a look here:
https://www.infofinland.fi/en

[Oubaas]

Jeez guys, afraid to let go of the Biden voters? LOL

Well, no. We just want them to be well informed when they go. :haha:

(Note to Self: Avoid Portugal).

[Platapus]

And nothing says you have to pick only one country to live it. Travel and try out each one of the countries on your list. Live there and see if the reality meets your expectations. If not, move on and try another country. :up:

[Bubblehead1980]

I'm sure us Nordics are happy to have you. Just be prepared for the winter darkness. :up:


Have a look here:
https://www.infofinland.fi/en


Thank you:Kaleun_Salute: Lol I am sure it will be a adjustment but will be fine. I may pester you with some questions from time to time lol

[Bubblehead1980]

So based on your points 1, 2, and 3, you're looking for a defenseless place full of atheists where no one is ever punished for their crimes?

You don't actually need to move to another country if that's the case. There are plenty of places right here in the US that meet those requirements, especially on the west coast, but lots of other places as well.

The things to which you object exist in forms so spectacular in many other countries that you couldn't begin to imagine it.

The things that you seem to desire often do not even exist in other countries.

You seem to have developed your picture of this country and the rest of the world based on propaganda and movies. That's not the way that the world really is, regardless of what the propagandists and moviemakers would lead you to believe.

You can't save the world. If you manage to get through life relatively unscathed yourself, you'll have done well. Reading your complaints and your ideas for addressing them, you appear to be getting ready to jump out of the frying pan and into the fire.

Base your life decisions on logic and reason, not emotion. If you act on the basis of emotion, the probability is high that you'll regret it.

You're obviously unhappy, but I don't believe that it's actually due to the reasons that you've identified. People whose lives are, "quite fine" are not usually looking to move to another country to start over.

You stress far too much about things over which you do not have control, and over which you will never have any control.

Identify the real basis of your unhappiness. If you act now, you'll just end up still unhappy, while trying to learn a new language and adapt to new surroundings.

The grass is always greener over the septic tank. Your view of this country and the world is unrealistic. Do not act on it. I base this on a life full of having lived all over the world. If you think that things are bad here, be thankful that you've never lived in some of the places that I've lived.

Learn to be happy with whatever comes. Other people can't make you angry and upset. They don't possess that kind of power. You have to choose to be angry and upset. But you can also choose to not be angry and upset, and to be happy and to enjoy life right where you are. Fleeing from unhappiness is like trying to flee from your shadow.


I am actually not unhappy personally(quite presumptuous of you), I have a great life, but I an unhappy with this country and do not see it changing anytime soon, it is descending into a worse state. These are systemic issues that predate me and that will likely outlast me or not change until I am quite elderly. I am relatively young and desire to live in a better nation, and there is much evidence to show some of those I am considering moving to have a much better way of life, are a bit more evolved. I've traveled to all states in the US and while some are better than others, still has the same systematic issues. I've traveled internationally a bit as well, but yet to live abroad.

Also, I am not being "emotional" (Could you be more condescending?) or believe things because of propaganda, but I have seen them first hand through my profession and personal experiences.


"Learn to be happy with whatever comes." That really made my eyes roll, that is the mindset of a "settler". Someone who settles for everything in life and pretends/convinces themselves are happy, so the live out their days existing..."Learning to be happy with whatever comes" . I hate to be presumptuous, but I know the type.



Anyways, thanks for the response.

[Bubblehead1980]

And nothing says you have to pick only one country to live it. Travel and try out each one of the countries on your list. Live there and see if the reality meets your expectations. If not, move on and try another country. :up:


Indeed.

[mapuc]

I read what Bubblehead1980 wrote ^^

There were one sentence I noticed

"I have a great life, but I an unhappy with this country and do not see it changing anytime soon, it is descending into a worse state."

After having lived a few years in the new country Bubblehead1980 may realize that the people there are thinking the same- They are somehow unhappy with their country and have lost hope of any changes.

I'm not saying Bubblehead1980 shouldn't move-Only that each country has their own political or social problems.

Markus

[Oubaas]

"Learn to be happy with whatever comes." That really made my eyes roll, that is the mindset of a "settler". Someone who settles for everything in life and pretends/convinces themselves are happy, so the live out their days existing..."Learning to be happy with whatever comes" . I hate to be presumptuous, but I know the type.



Anyways, thanks for the response.

Some of us see things differently and realize that there are greater issues in life than ourselves and our personal happiness.

If I'm a settler, I certainly chose a tough way to settle. I'm retired military, served in Special Operations, was forward deployed, deployed, and eventually ended up permanently and totally disabled in the line of duty. I'm a life member of the VFW and the DAV, and have a big padded envelope full of medals and gedunk in my sock drawer.

Why did I settle for that? So that people like you could live safely and securely while you complain, worry about yourselves, and disparage the country and your fellow Americans who don't see things the same as you see them.

Let me know when you find that perfect place. I've never found it. I've lived all over the world, and finally came home and settled down.

And by the way, no one needs to thank me for my service. It was my pleasure. I might have been condemned to an ordinary life if I hadn't chosen the path that I followed.

[Rockstar]

Some of us see things differently and realize that there are greater issues in life than ourselves and our personal happiness.

If I'm a settler, I certainly chose a tough way to settle. I'm retired military, served in Special Operations, was forward deployed, deployed, and eventually ended up permanently and totally disabled in the line of duty. I'm a life member of the VFW and the DAV, and have a big padded envelope full of medals and gedunk in my sock drawer.

Why did I settle for that? So that people like you could live safely and securely while you complain, worry about yourselves, and disparage the country and your fellow Americans who don't see things the same as you see them.

Let me know when you find that perfect place. I've never found it. I've lived all over the world, and finally came home and settled down.

And by the way, no one needs to thank me for my service. It was my pleasure. I might have been condemned to an ordinary life if I hadn't chosen the path that I followed.

Well you may be a settler ;) . But nobody can ever accuse you of being a quitter, that’s for damn sure.

[Commander Wallace]

Some of us see things differently and realize that there are greater issues in life than ourselves and our personal happiness.

If I'm a settler, I certainly chose a tough way to settle. I'm retired military, served in Special Operations, was forward deployed, deployed, and eventually ended up permanently and totally disabled in the line of duty. I'm a life member of the VFW and the DAV, and have a big padded envelope full of medals and gedunk in my sock drawer.

Why did I settle for that? So that people like you could live safely and securely while you complain, worry about yourselves, and disparage the country and your fellow Americans who don't see things the same as you see them.

Let me know when you find that perfect place. I've never found it. I've lived all over the world, and finally came home and settled down.

And by the way, no one needs to thank me for my service. It was my pleasure. I might have been condemned to an ordinary life if I hadn't chosen the path that I followed.


This is about the biggest reality check that I could possibly think of. This is a reminder to be thankful for all things, large and small. This is a big reminder of everything those in our armed services sacrificed and lived and died for.

You said not to thank you but I respectfully disagree.

Thank you for the reminders and reality checks but for all you did for the U.S and also, us. :Kaleun_Salute:

[Sean C]

"Learn to be happy with whatever comes." That really made my eyes roll, that is the mindset of a "settler". Someone who settles for everything in life and pretends/convinces themselves are happy, so the live out their days existing..."Learning to be happy with whatever comes" . I hate to be presumptuous, but I know the type.

Yes, better to just flee and settle somewhere else. I mean, trying to effect a positive change in one's environment is just so much work. Ugh.

[Platapus]

It has been said that the Poaceae has a more saturated hue distal to the saepes :D

[em2nought]

I loved Crete the year I spent there in the late 80s, and Greece has been working on some new forms of visas recently. I guess nomad visas are the big thing now.

I think Italy is even offering to pay your way partly if you'll move into certain villages that have lost population. https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/the-beautiful-italian-village-that-will-pay-you-72000-to-move-there-c-1492509

[Gorpet]

I am actually not unhappy personally(quite presumptuous of you), I have a great life, but I an unhappy with this country and do not see it changing anytime soon, it is descending into a worse state. These are systemic issues that predate me and that will likely outlast me or not change until I am quite elderly. I am relatively young and desire to live in a better nation, and there is much evidence to show some of those I am considering moving to have a much better way of life, are a bit more evolved. I've traveled to all states in the US and while some are better than others, still has the same systematic issues. I've traveled internationally a bit as well, but yet to live abroad.

Also, I am not being "emotional" (Could you be more condescending?) or believe things because of propaganda, but I have seen them first hand through my profession and personal experiences.


"Learn to be happy with whatever comes." That really made my eyes roll, that is the mindset of a "settler". Someone who settles for everything in life and pretends/convinces themselves are happy, so the live out their days existing..."Learning to be happy with whatever comes" . I hate to be presumptuous, but I know the type.



Anyways, thanks for the response.

Care to tell us what your Profession is ? I will tell you what mine is i'm a HVAC man and i will tell you this.With out us the developed world will either freeze or melt.And if we stop working the world stops.I bet you didn't think about that did ya? Of course not just another sheep, That will follow the Politician that takes everything that he hasn't had to work and pay for. For granted and so will you! And what will the world do if the Hvac men go on strike.What are we worth? Certainly we are worth more than Politician or a College Professor when you get back to your domicile in the City.And your Climate Control isn't working Who ya gonna call it will not be Greta or Ghost Busters. All of your heating and cooling components your country cannot make anymore. The Best Brains you have elected to represent you.Hvac workers can have them and the entire country on it's knees in 90 day's . When climate control and our Brothers in sewage shut down .Well Bubblehead we shall see how long your Profession will last.And hamburger flippers want 15 dollars an hr.

[Gorpet]

I've spent my adult life living all over the world. I've been to six out of seven continents. I tried to get to Antarctica, but they didn't have any billets for someone like me.


After I retired from the military, I went to Africa for many years. I finally got to an age where I said, "Okay, that's enough adventure now. Time for a quiet, normal life." I then returned to the United States, bought a ranch, and settled down for once.


Based on the life that I've led, here's my thoughts.


You're not going to fix anything by moving someplace else. All you'll do is exchange one set of problems for a new set of problems. And often the new set sucks worse than your old set of problems. There are no problem-free places. Not on this planet, anyway.


The myth of a, "free press" is a crock, unless you happen to be a billionaire who owns a major media outlet.


Do not listen to anything that the media says. The truth is not in them. Decades ago, I participated in military operations that made international news. I was there, smack in the middle of things, boots on the ground. When I got back to places where you could get things like newspapers and read the accounts of the events in which I had just participated, I inevitably thought, "Who wrote this fiction?" Most accounts were nearly unrecognizable. I doubt that the level of veracity has improved over the ensuing decades.


If you go near the media, just scan the headlines to make sure that nothing is sneaking up on you. Take all of it with a grain of salt.


If possible, live in a rural area. Fewer things to bother you. Ignore any titillating scraps of information provided by other people. They'll regurgitate anything, no matter how sketchy the source, if they think that it will make them look knowledgeable.


Do not discuss politics or religion with anyone for any reason. No good will come of it. As for current events, if it's not happening on my property, I ignore it. Don't worry until you have a reason to worry.



As you journey along the road of life, try not to let your ego or your emotions do the driving. Both of them are terrible drivers. You'll probably be in a major wreck if they drive.


Moving countries and continents is expensive. Dealing with the new country's rules and requirements can be far more stressful than anything that's currently upsetting you. Plus there are diseases for which you, unlike the locals, will not have any natural immunity. There's culture shock. And there's banking and currency exchange which are inevitably a major headache. The list goes on and on.



If you're determined to go ahead with leaving for another country, do yourself a favor. It will save you all sorts of money and headaches. Pick a place in Africa and go there on an extended vacation. Set up a checking account at a local bank. Write a few checks. Stay long enough to have to do some banking. Do it in person, at the bank. You'll get my point by the time that your vacation is over.



And once you've moved, you get to pay again to undo it when you start missing home.



Better the devil you know than the devil you don't. Most people do much better in their own country and culture.

What do you think about General Milley? I know you stated you are retired military and lived in Africa for many years. And apparently made enough money to leave and return to the USA and buy a ranch. Who knows where? Want to tell Bubblehead how you did that? Oh hell here comes the truth!

And if i was weak in the mind i would follow your plan. "Pick a place in Africa and go there on an extended vacation. Set up a checking account at a local bank. Write a few checks. Stay long enough to have to do some banking. Do it in person, at the bank.You'll get my point by the time that your vacation is over." Your not telling him the truth are you? see it's S==t F==cks like you . Our country doesn't need.

[Gorpet]

Yes, better to just flee and settle somewhere else. I mean, trying to effect a positive change in one's environment is just so much work. Ugh.

Yes, When you have no grit to begin with and the your getting older and finally figure out. Everything is not free and life is gonna be a lota work. You have to settle somewhere else. And they don't play that song do they?

[Oubaas]

What do you think about General Milley? I know you stated you are retired military and lived in Africa for many years. And apparently made enough money to leave and return to the USA and buy a ranch. Who knows where? Want to tell Bubblehead how you did that? Oh hell here comes the truth!

And if i was weak in the mind i would follow your plan. "Pick a place in Africa and go there on an extended vacation. Set up a checking account at a local bank. Write a few checks. Stay long enough to have to do some banking. Do it in person, at the bank.You'll get my point by the time that your vacation is over." Your not telling him the truth are you? see it's S==t F==cks like you . Our country doesn't need.

I'm a little confused as to who it is that you feel our country doesn't need, Gorpet.

As for how I feel about all military personnel, not just General Milley, I feel that each and every one of them should fulfill their oath and duty to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Military personnel should be above politics for as long as they serve. Anyone politicizing their position should be given a Bad Conduct Discharge and be shown the door.

The banking in Africa remark was simply to illustrate the difficulties that one might encounter while living in other countries. Banking in Africa is a nightmare. I know, I did it for years. I cringed every time that I knew that I had to go to the bank.

As for how I made enough money to come home and buy a ranch, I simply lived prudently and invested wisely, Why? How did you think that I made my money?

[Rockstar]

So, maybe my idea of Panama isn’t such a good idea after all. Happily trails where ever you finally decide to go. :D


Inflation Protests Span Sri Lanka, Albania, Argentina, Panama, Kenya, Ghana - How Long Before They Hit The United States?


Rufas KamauSenior Contributor
Jul 11, 2022,12:52pm EDT

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rufaskamau/2022/07/11/inflation-protests-span-sri-lanka-albania-argentina-panama-kenya-ghanahow-long-before-they-hit-the-united-states/?sh=15bbc4b074c2

Sri Lanka is not the only country where household budgets are stretched to the breaking point. In many countries, high inflation has increased the cost of living, and protests are erupting at a rapid pace.

Sri Lanka Economic Crisis Deepens

In Sri Lanka, inflation reached 54.6% in June while the central bank raised interest rates to 15.5%. This means that workers in Sri Lanka are losing savings by the second, while debt repayments have increased, putting strain on household budgets. The government has failed to honor foreign debt, and the IMF has demanded that it raise taxes and combat corruption as a condition for receiving a bailout loan.

Thousands of Albanians marched in Tirana last week, demanding that the government resign due to alleged corruption and a massive increase in consumer prices. The Albanian central bank announced a 1.25% interest rate increase, while official June inflation was 6.7%.

Thousands of Argentinians marched in Buenos Aires last week to protest rising costs of living. With key interest rates at 52% and inflation at 60.7% in May, demonstrators urged the government to resign while rejecting IMF loans that come with ever-tougher conditions for citizens.

Protests against the government in Panama began on first July, demanding that the government address the country's high cost of living. Demonstrators are demanding higher wages, lower commodity prices and the removal of supply chain bottlenecks. While inflation remains low in the highly monetized country, global supply chain issues have impacted Panama Canal revenues, reducing the government's revenues and projections.

The cost of basic foodstuffs has skyrocketed in Kenya and hundreds of protesters marched through Nairobi on Saturday, urging the government to lower food prices. Protesters claimed that the high cost of living was caused by the state's excessive borrowing and rampant corruption. Kenya's official inflation rate is 7.91%, while interest rates are 7.50%.

Ghanaians took to the streets in June to protest the high cost of living. The government was able to negotiate an IMF bailout after inflation reached 27.6% and raising interest rates to 19% did not appear to work. Ghana's economy has been flirting with a debt crisis due to excessive borrowing.

There are other demonstrations in the Netherlands, Belgium, Italy and China that seem to span people being unable to comfortably handle household budgets, their cost of living being threatened by environmental, social and governance (ESG) policies and inability to access cash at bank.

While the US remains strong and employment data indicates a thriving economy, higher inflation could easily pressure household budgets and lead to protests. The FED is walking a tight rope and any mistake or black swan event could easily trigger demonstrations…

[Gorpet]

I'm a little confused as to who it is that you feel our country doesn't need, Gorpet.

As for how I feel about all military personnel, not just General Milley, I feel that each and every one of them should fulfill their oath and duty to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Military personnel should be above politics for as long as they serve. Anyone politicizing their position should be given a Bad Conduct Discharge and be shown the door.

The banking in Africa remark was simply to illustrate the difficulties that one might encounter while living in other countries. Banking in Africa is a nightmare. I know, I did it for years. I cringed every time that I knew that I had to go to the bank.

As for how I made enough money to come home and buy a ranch, I simply lived prudently and invested wisely, Why? How did you think that I made my money?

Do you think General Miley with his Critical Race Theory should be in Command ? and if so why? And as far as Banking in Africa is concerned and the nightmares you lived through.This is what i would like you to tell our friend Bubblehead about. And how you blended as an American in a foreign country for all those years.And never used your Americanism in any way and you weren't ever working for any Cooperation or Government.And somehow with the dirt pay of an ex soldier or scrabbling around in Africa. You managed not only to get back to the good ole USA . But you end up with a ranch back in America before retirement age.And what exactly does living prudently and investing wisely mean? You had family with money backing you ? And the reason i ask is because Bubblehead seems to be from a wealthy family and he's searching for and looking for a way out.He's young he doesn't know yet there is no utopia and there is no way out of what his 65-70 yrs of life will be,the memories of youth and dreams love and living a long life before death.People like you will use him up.

[Oubaas]

Do you think General Miley with his Critical Race Theory should be in Command ? and if so why? And as far as Banking in Africa is concerned and the nightmares you lived through.This is what i would like you to tell our friend Bubblehead about. And how you blended as an American in a foreign country for all those years.And never used your Americanism in any way and you weren't ever working for any Cooperation or Government.And somehow with the dirt pay of an ex soldier or scrabbling around in Africa. You managed not only to get back to the good ole USA . But you end up with a ranch back in America before retirement age.And what exactly does living prudently and investing wisely mean? You had family money backing you ?

I do not support Critical Race Theory, nor anyone who promotes it. It's simply hate being peddled as virtue.

Living in other countries is not always easy. There are people in this world who will target you simply because you're carrying an American passport. And you'd better be prepared to handle such situations, should they arise.

I wasn't working for anyone when I was in Africa. I didn't go there to work. My wife is an Afrikaner lass. I was there with her, and her family. Bought a house and settled down for a while.

As for military retirement pay, if you make enough rank, it's not necessarily dirt pay. I started out with literally nothing, and worked hard in the course of my military career. I lived prudently, meaning that I did not spend extravagantly, waste money on things that I didn't really need, and so forth.

I also studied and learned where to put my money so that it would grow and stay ahead of inflation. And I married a much younger woman with a good education who makes decent money herself.

So there's no secret method to how I came to be able to buy a ranch and live a comfortable life. I started with empty pockets, worked hard, volunteered for things that I felt would be career enhancing, learned how to keep my money growing, and lived in a fairly Spartan manner, by most people's standards. I retired well, married a young woman who had good earning power herself, we worked as a team, and eventually we managed to be able live a reasonably comfortable life.

It's a boring story, but that's the way things transpired.

[Gorpet]

I do not support Critical Race Theory, nor anyone who promotes it. It's simply hate being peddled as virtue.

Living in other countries is not always easy. There are people in this world who will target you simply because you're carrying an American passport. And you'd better be prepared to handle such situations, should they arise.

I wasn't working for anyone when I was in Africa. I didn't go there to work. My wife is an Afrikaner lass. I was there with her, and her family. Bought a house and settled down for a while.

As for military retirement pay, if you make enough rank, it's not necessarily dirt pay. I started out with literally nothing, and worked hard in the course of my military career. I lived prudently, meaning that I did not spend extravagantly, waste money on things that I didn't really need, and so forth.

I also studied and learned where to put my money so that it would grow and stay ahead of inflation. And I married a much younger woman with a good education who makes decent money herself.

So there's no secret method to how I came to be able to buy a ranch and live a comfortable life. I started with empty pockets, worked hard, volunteered for things that I felt would be career enhancing, learned how to keep my money growing, and lived in a fairly Spartan manner, by most people's standards. I retired well, married a young woman who had good earning power herself, we worked as a team, and eventually we managed to be able live a reasonably comfortable life.

It's a boring story, but that's the way things transpired.

So,The secret of life,Bublehead 1980, Is marry a woman that's much younger and smarter than you and makes more money than you. And someday you will own a ranch. Living a spartan life in California.Or Volunteer for Joe's youth brigade for the Ukraine if you survive you can write a book of your experience's if yours are best. you will become a millionaire.

[Oubaas]

So,The secret of life,Budadad, Is marry a woman that's much younger and smarter than you and makes more money than you. And someday you will own a ranch. Living a spartan life in California.

It doesn't hurt, but I'd still be living comfortably even if I had never met my wife. She has certainly contributed, but I retired from the military in pretty good shape. Learning about investing is a good idea as well.

[Gorpet]

It doesn't hurt, but I'd still be living comfortably even if I had never met my wife. She has certainly contributed, but I retired from the military in pretty good shape. Learning about investing is a good idea as well.

What do you think about General Milley ?

[Gorpet]

It doesn't hurt, but I'd still be living comfortably even if I had never met my wife. She has certainly contributed, but I retired from the military in pretty good shape. Learning about investing is a good idea as well.

My, Apologies Budaded . I don't know i went from Bubblehead to you. Anyway Oubaas , Is General Milley the General that will put down any opposition by Bullit if need be to protect the Democrat Party? And when does a soldier that is being paid by the government he has sworn to serve,Will they follow their orders to kill? as long as he and his comrades and their families eat and live better than those they must kill to survive. Well **** between covid and Joe Biden and the American Democrat Party .The thriving humans on this planet don't stand a chance.

[em2nought]

Don't need an HVAC guy anymore ever since mini-splits came along. :D

[August]

This thread reminds me of the way that some Europeans (not all) talk. They don't see themselves as a German , Frenchman or whatever but as some kind of independent separate entity that is similar to a host/guest relationship. They have no particular love or loyalty to their own homeland, just a self centered "what can the country do for me" mindset.

"Hotel" USA is just too seedy for them or the management has issues or whatever their complaint of the day may be and they are looking to ditch the place and go find a new set of lodgings to complain about.

I would much rather see those people actually leave and give their spot to some hungry immigrant who actually wants to be a part of this Great Experiment. We have too many "Guests" and other useless hangers-on here already sucking up the resources and we'd be better off just cutting them loose.

[Rockstar]

It’s one thing to look at other countries as a primary residence, second home maybe even a time share. If your job takes you there you may get so accustomed to the area you’ll never want to leave. Maybe after years of hard work moving for the sake of living the good life is not a bad idea either. There are really beautiful environments, people, beaches, etc, etc. One must also carefully look at the economics, currency, jobs, political stability, crime statistics, judicial system, customs, police, medicine, a way out when they’re on your door step shouting “Yankee Go Home” :), you name it. Find a place take a vacation and for Pete’s sake don’t stay at an all inclusive hotel. Get out and live like a native in your desired neighborhood. Look around, do they have uniformed armed military police on every corner like they did when I was in Acapulco? If they do it’s not the place you want to live no matter what anybody says.

But making such a transition based on what seem like a political statement is not IMO a very good reason to move. Too much can go wrong.

Anyway, a couple of recommendations to look into is maybe Bocas Del Toro or El Chorrera both located in Panama. El Chorrera has a decent number of former Canal Zone workers which never left.

[mapuc]

Let some of your home be there-In case your new home is worse than your primary home is and you flee back.

Markus

[Bubblehead1980]

This thread reminds me of the way that some Europeans (not all) talk. They don't see themselves as a German , Frenchman or whatever but as some kind of independent separate entity that is similar to a host/guest relationship. They have no particular love or loyalty to their own homeland, just a self centered "what can the country do for me" mindset.

"Hotel" USA is just too seedy for them or the management has issues or whatever their complaint of the day may be and they are looking to ditch the place and go find a new set of lodgings to complain about.

I would much rather see those people actually leave and give their spot to some hungry immigrant who actually wants to be a part of this Great Experiment. We have too many "Guests" and other useless hangers-on here already sucking up the resources and we'd be better off just cutting them loose.


Nationalism/Jingoism, which most often masquerades as "patriotism" drives what you speak of, a almost blind loyalty, void of intellectual thought or consideration, it is reactionary. Real patriotism is not ignoring problems, waving a flag, and repeating platitudes that make us feel warm and fuzzy inside while ignoring the problems.

The hungry immigrant comes here but is most often exploited, abused, more than typical US worker is. Frankly, they just do not know any better, they are desperate so they come here to be cheap labor. Our economy was founded on free labor of slaves, which were replaced by exploited immigrant workers, first Europeans, and now its mostly those poor souls in Latin American and Asia.

A favorite quote:

“In your dread of dictators you established a state of society in which every ward boss is a dictator, every financier a dictator, every private employer a dictator, all with the livelihood of the workers at their mercy, and no public responsibility. And to symbolize this state of things, this defeat of all government, you have set up in New York Harbour a monstrous idol which you call Liberty. The only thing that remains to complete this monument is to put on its pedestal the inscription written by Dante on the gate of Hell ‘All hope abandon, ye who enter here.” -George Bernard Shaw



Sure, in some ways may be a better life than where coming from, but it is a false comparison to compare the USA its natural born citizens with a third world country. When compare the USA with other Western, developed nations, we lag far beyond. We're wealthy, but stingy when it comes to helping out our own people as other nations do. Thus, the US is not a happy, healthy nation, we lead in very few positive things. We lead the world in incarcerated persons (over two million) , people who believe angels are real, and military spending. Large number of people are in poverty, or just a missed paycheck away from it, homeless, hungry, dying because can't afford healthcare. I see it all the time with clients, but hey but long as military industrial complex is booming right? Oh, let us not forget supreme court ending federal protection of body autonomy and deciding can't sue a cop for violating Miranda rights. These people were not elected, but appointed to life terms and they lied in their confirmation hearings. Your "Hotel" argument is quite simplistic, and inaccurate.

I do love the US, for what it is supposed to be, but it has degraded far beyond that and there is, barring something akin to a miracle, no saving it in my life time, so yes I wish to find better culture, better country to reside in.I am lucky that I have the ability to do that, some people are stuck, I feel for the majority.


"Guests" ah yes, your fellow citizens who disagree with your nationalistic view, so we should just "cut them loose" lol. Sounds like you would fit in well in a authoritarian regime. Ah the contradiction lol.


This thread escalated quickly into what is basically "Americuh, luv it or leave it! errrr!" Attacks on me because I reached out on a forum with a lot of international users, regarding living as a expatriate.

[Bubblehead1980]

It’s one thing to look at other countries as a primary residence, second home maybe even a time share. If your job takes you there you may get so accustomed to the area you’ll never want to leave. Maybe after years of hard work moving for the sake of living the good life is not a bad idea either. There are really beautiful environments, people, beaches, etc, etc. One must also carefully look at the economics, currency, jobs, political stability, crime statistics, judicial system, customs, police, medicine, a way out when they’re on your door step shouting “Yankee Go Home” :), you name it. Find a place take a vacation and for Pete’s sake don’t stay at an all inclusive hotel. Get out and live like a native in your desired neighborhood. Look around, do they have uniformed armed military police on every corner like they did when I was in Acapulco? If they do it’s not the place you want to live no matter what anybody says.

But making such a transition based on what seem like a political statement is not IMO a very good reason to move. Too much can go wrong.

Anyway, a couple of recommendations to look into is maybe Bocas Del Toro or El Chorrera both located in Panama. El Chorrera has a decent number of former Canal Zone workers which never left.

Yes, I have research and am continuing research on all the topics you mentioned.

My considering moving is not a political statement, that is silly, as have mentioned. My desire to move is to find a more stable, peaceful, happy nation to live in. I enjoyed Acapulco, but would not live there. Mexico is pretty much off my list to be honest, loved my visits would not live there.


Yes, one reason I reached out to expats in particular was to get point of view on living in various nations I am considering. I have friends and acquaintances as mentioned in many of them, such as Panama. Found out fraternity brother from college is living in Iceland, once I had not considering but my interest is now piqued after some conversations.

[August]

Nationalism/Jingoism, which most often masquerades as "patriotism" drives what you speak of, a almost blind loyalty, void of intellectual thought or consideration, it is reactionary. Real patriotism is not ignoring problems, waving a flag, and repeating platitudes that make us feel warm and fuzzy inside while ignoring the problems.

None of that applies to me so whatever.

The hungry immigrant comes here but is most often exploited, abused, more than typical US worker is. Frankly, they just do not know any better, they are desperate so they come here to be cheap labor. Our economy was founded on free labor of slaves, which were replaced by exploited immigrant workers, first Europeans, and now its mostly those poor souls in Latin American and Asia. CRT theory? please. The Pilgrims had entire armies of slaves running around picking bay state cotton? New England Whalers, Pennsylvania farmers, Maine lumbermen they all succeeded only because of their many slaves? C'mon now. You have a better education than to believe that.

The fact is our huge and multi-polar economy was founded on a lot of things, including thirteen quite disparate state economies and several foreign economic spheres cobbled together under an experimental new form of government that did, and still does, offer the best chance for advancement than anywhere else in the world, George Bernard Shaws opinion notwithstanding. What did that dour Irishman know about us anyways?

I much prefer Mark Twains take:

We are called the nation of inventors. And we are. We could still claim that title and wear its loftiest honors if we had stopped with the first thing we ever invented, which was human liberty.”

As well as that of the Ralph Waldo Emerson:

America is another name for opportunity. Our whole history appears like a last effort of divine providence on behalf of the human race.”

Sure, in some ways may be a better life than where coming from, but it is a false comparison to compare the USA its natural born citizens with a third world country. When compare the USA with other Western, developed nations, we lag far beyond. We're wealthy, but stingy when it comes to helping out our own people as other nations doThe socialism you call "help" costs them a lot bigger slice of their earnings too and a lot of western nations have the luxury of not paying for their own defense because stingy old America does it for them.

...people who believe angels are real


I stopped reading right there. I'm not religious but your snarky comments about peoples personal beliefs just confirmed my own satisfaction that you are leaving.

I do love the US, for what it is supposed to be, but it has degraded far beyond that and there is, barring something akin to a miracle, no saving it in my life time, so yes I wish to find better culture, better country to reside in.I am lucky that I have the ability to do that, some people are stuck, I feel for the majority.


I don't think the majority here would feel that they are stuck. Certainly the millions trying to get in to our great land wouldn't feel that way so go, find your utopia.

"Guests" ah yes, your fellow citizens who disagree with your nationalistic view, so we should just "cut them loose" lol. Sounds like you would fit in well in a authoritarian regime. Ah the contradiction lol.
You completely missed the point. By guests I meant those who act like their homeland is just some dingy hotel room that can be swapped out for improved accommodations at a whim. I feel that such people are only drags upon whatever society they reside in so yeah I would be quite glad if they went and became a drag elsewhere. How does that make me an authoritarian? Hmmm?

This thread escalated quickly into what is basically "Americuh, luv it or leave it! errrr!" Attacks on me because I reached out on a forum with a lot of international users, regarding living as a expatriate.
I detected little or no rancor from anyone here. Simple criticism of your plans and opinions are not attacks and if you really feel that way it sounds to me like you have a thin skin which ought to serve you well in your new foreign home.

BTW did you make your decision yet, maybe set a date? I heard somewhere that you actually have to pay a fee to give up your US citizenship. Ain't that some bull? Worse than the get out of town taxes they have over in Rhode Island! :o

[Rockstar]

Yes, I have research and am continuing research on all the topics you mentioned.

My considering moving is not a political statement, that is silly, as have mentioned. My desire to move is to find a more stable, peaceful, happy nation to live in. I enjoyed Acapulco, but would not live there. Mexico is pretty much off my list to be honest, loved my visits would not live there.


Yes, one reason I reached out to expats in particular was to get point of view on living in various nations I am considering. I have friends and acquaintances as mentioned in many of them, such as Panama. Found out fraternity brother from college is living in Iceland, once I had not considering but my interest is now piqued after some conversations.


Iceland is kewl. Though I think youth is best suited for the cold. Having lived up in the snow belt of Minnesota & Wisconsin. If you can’t hunt, fish, snowmobile, ski, skate, play hockey, drive a car in snow and ice, get to the grocery store or do stuff outside. Winter can be isolating and get boring pretty damn quick the older you get. That’s why I moved to Florida! The warmth of a beach is where it’s at ;).

[em2nought]

Iceland is kewl. Though I think youth is best suited for the cold. .

The naturally well insulated do better in the cold too. :D

[nikimcbee]

Having lived up in the snow belt of Minnesota & Wisconsin. ;).




Hold the phone! Where in MN?:Kaleun_Cheers:

[Bubblehead1980]

Iceland is kewl. Though I think youth is best suited for the cold. Having lived up in the snow belt of Minnesota & Wisconsin. If you can’t hunt, fish, snowmobile, ski, skate, play hockey, drive a car in snow and ice, get to the grocery store or do stuff outside. Winter can be isolating and get boring pretty damn quick the older you get. That’s why I moved to Florida! The warmth of a beach is where it’s at ;).


Ha, I am from Florida originally, moved to get away from the heat, its ridiculous in the summer. Only fun if can be in the water/boat with a few drinks or in the AC, mostly. Living daily life, especially in a suit can be miserable lol. If retired, prob not too bad.

[Rockstar]

Hold the phone! Where in MN?:Kaleun_Cheers:

Up the hill on Skyline Pkwy Duluth, MN baby. I hear the city is still trying to find a solution to fix potholes in the roads.


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