Chernobyl the new evidence

[Kapitan]

A new documentary I found last night on Chernobyl was quite revealing

Some of you know I have been to Chernobyl and seen for myself the state the place is in and the causes behind the accident.

I did suspect the higher authorities were aware of the flaws and limitations but this new evidence confirms it and to a massive extent.

This documentary for the first time reveals what was known before during and after the event this is due to a historian gaining access to once classified KGB archives

It’s a really good watch so check it out

https://youtu.be/wPRgyWtRVhI

[Skybird]

Quite long, will watch it later.

I found the explanation in the last episode of that mini-series from three or four years ago very good and comprehensible for a layman. Was quite eye-opening.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmIEI4ky-Zc

[Kapitan]

I was quite surprised at the level of accuracy portrayed in the HBO series even down to Legasov glasses

When you look at the footage from the actual incident and compare it it’s very accurate

The only thing was that they condensed the time line which was expected due to only having 5 episodes

I also felt they didn’t show the bio robots the ones who went on the roof enough

Skasgards portrayal of Sherbina was pretty good too

[Skybird]

I am no intimate expert for the Chernobyl desaster and so cannot appreciate such nuances and fine details since I do not even notice them, but I felt the series to be convincing and believable, a good concept with a very good execution. I think it was damn well made. And it linked up to not only my head, but also my heart.

[mapuc]

Me neither I have only seen news program and documentary about this nuclear powerplant.

Even though it's almost 40 years ago it still fill the Danes. Those who's against nuclear use this as an argument.

Markus

[Commander Wallace]

I knew of your visit and research into Chernobyl, Kapitan. I don't know that I would have wanted to visit and get that close as you did. I was curious if you knew how stable the damaged reactor is and the roof shielding placed over the damaged reactor.


There were reports that Russia was haphazard at best in stationing troops there and reported shellings of the plant itself.

[Catfish]

Physics alright, what i did not know was how much the KGB was involved, and how long they were trying to cover it up.
And that they made that rain to protect Moscow ..

Thanks for posting. I am not sure whether nuclear power is the lesser evil compared to the effects of global warming.
After all it is a steam engine, just powered by the heat of nuclear decay.. there are better methods.

[Skybird]

Nuclear reactors are not the problem. Breaking nuclear reactors are. Like breaking or non-functioning stuff of any kind is a problem. A week of continental blackout due to insufficient electrical production redundancy would create much more stuff for deaster movies than Chernobyl did, the follow-on effects would be apocalyptical, considering the many many dependencies on electricty that there are, and the many things that woudl break (and would stay broken when power is back) if they get not supplied with power.

Not to mention that there are reactor technologies today that are said to be extremely more secure than that old reactor at Chernobyl was, even when the core "breaks" they are claimed to keep the critical and superhot material inside and isolated. Not to mention reactor concepts that burn no nuclear fuel, but nuclear waste.

Then there are concepts like the Myrrha hybride reactor in Belgium that combines nuclear reactor technology with particle acceleration technology to "transmutate" nuclear waste into less critical material that is less radiating, and needs to be kept isolated for much lesser time. It works since - 7 years.

Lets not be afraid of white sharks in the Grunewaldsee just because there is water in it.


Our fears are sorted by wrong priorities.We do a lousy job in risk comparison.

[mapuc]

Physics alright, what i did not know was how much the KGB was involved, and how long they were trying to cover it up.
And that they made that rain to protect Moscow ..

Thanks for posting. I am not sure whether nuclear power is the lesser evil compared to the effects of global warming.
After all it is a steam engine, just powered by the heat of nuclear decay.. there are better methods.

A Danish company Seaborg Technologies has come very far in the development of a 4th generation molten_salt_reactor

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molten_salt_reactor

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Most informative Blair but have not quite reached the hour mark yet.

[Kapitan]

I knew of your visit and research into Chernobyl, Kapitan. I don't know that I would have wanted to visit and get that close as you did. I was curious if you knew how stable the damaged reactor is and the roof shielding placed over the damaged reactor.


There were reports that Russia was haphazard at best in stationing troops there and reported shellings of the plant itself.

The actual area is pretty safe people do live within the exclusion zone, out side the new safe confinement structure the levels of radiation are quite near normal, I only visited after the new arch was put in place not when the old sarcophagus was there but im told by the people on the tour group that the levels even with the old sarcophagus were not that high.

There are areas however that are massively radioactive still even today, the trees and funguses that grow are extremely radioactive, the woods are out of bounds to everyone except permitted scientists due to the levels.

In my old thread you can see the tour guide holding up a dosimeter to the Ferris wheel and that wheel is quite heavily contaminated.
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=229390 (https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.phpt=229390)

The Sarcophagus was designed to last 20-30 years no more in fact they even said before it was built that plans had to be made for its replacement.
The old structure was in a terrible state due to being built in haste and without solid foundation, it was built on the already broken walls of reactor 4.

There was a ABC (I think) documentary done in the 1990s called back to Chernobyl I will try and find it again but this documentary actually takes you inside the sarcophagus and around what was reactor 4 and up the containment lid.
They actually did this documentary in two parts several years apart think the first was 1990 the second about 1996 the lead scientist who was running around the reactor ultimately died, he also had to have the lens of his eyeballs replaced due to the radiation damage.

The current containment dome is sufficient to stop any further massive spread provided it doesn't suffer strikes by bombs rockets or missiles, its not in contact with the old structure and is on a solid foundation it is designed to last 100 years.

With Russian troops nearing the area most will likely be utterly oblivious and naïve to the danger, as long as they leave that containment arch plus the other 3 reactors alone then all will be well

The reality is Chernobyl if cleaned up can become somewhat more inhabitable in the future, also note its not just going to be the clean up of reactor 4 but also the decommissioning and removal of the now dead reactors 1,2 and 3. Don't forget Chernobyl even after the accident was still operational.

I am not sure whether nuclear power is the lesser evil compared to the effects of global warming.
After all it is a steam engine, just powered by the heat of nuclear decay.. there are better methods

Given what was learnt in SL1, TMI, Chernobyl, Fukishima, Kyshtem, Sellafield etc that nuclear power is safe if handled by a competent operations team that is trained alert and focused on the task.

Chernobyl from all the research I have done was simply an accident that was well overdue, I would have said the accident should have taken place in the early to mid 70s given that a lot of important documentation was withheld from operators, training wasn't the best, faulty design, faulty building and the need to meet the targets or quotas.

There's a good soviet joke about the whole system it goes like this

There was once a nail plant that had to reach its quota by weight, so instead of producing millions of nails they produced one large one and met the quota that way.

So that in itself tells you about the mentality of the society.

As for the KGB well we all know about them don't we fingers in every pie, even as a foreigner walking past Lubyanka is a bit unnerving.

[Kapitan]

I have just found this gem never seen it before its the final interview with Anatoly Dyatalov shortly before he died.

It is one hour long has English subtitles

https://youtu.be/N8__v9EswN4

[Kapitan]

This is the first documentary done by Bill Kurtis in 1989 for PBS Nova it is a great watch I will try and locate the second one.

https://www.schooltube.com/media/NOVA+++Back+To+Chernobyl+++1989/1_11ffrc2y

[Kapitan]

This is the one I have been looking for its done by PBS Nova its called Suicide mission into Chernobyl.

In this documentary you get to see inside the sarcophagus and the scientists who climb all over reactor 4 and its lid.

The documentary was done in 1991 it is one hour long

https://archive.org/details/NOVA.S18E14.Suicide.Mission.to.Chernobyl.1991.VHSR ip.AAC2.0.x264Astro

[Platapus]

I can recommend William Shakespeare's writings on this issue



Chernobyl Kinsmen


:D

[Commander Wallace]

Thank you Kapitan for the concise and informative and in depth answer to my questions in post #6. With radioactive half-lifes, I don't expect things to improve regarding radioactive contamination in my lifetime. :up:

As usual, well written.

By the way, should you start to develop a green hue about you like the dial on your watch at night, consult a physician immediately. :03:

[Reece]

By the way, should you start to develop a green hue about you like the dial on your watch at night, consult a physician immediately. :03:
Too late!! :yep:

[Commander Wallace]

Too late!! :yep:


Well, green is a nice, happy kind of color. Besides, if you glow in the dark, you can read at night without any external lighting. :yep:

[Kapitan]

No problem there CW

Thankfully I dont glow green :D

[Commander Wallace]

No problem there CW

Thankfully I dont glow green :D


I'm very glad to hear that. :Kaleun_Thumbs_Up: I think you should stay away from destroyed reactors and visit more naval ships and submarines and the like. Take pictures as well. Many, many pictures. :)

[Kapitan]

I'm very glad to hear that. :Kaleun_Thumbs_Up: I think you should stay away from destroyed reactors and visit more naval ships and submarines and the like. Take pictures as well. Many, many pictures. :)

That is the plan in the near future, I want to resume going to museums and things.

Covid torpedoed many of my plans in 2020/21 and then had to go all hands on deck for work over the last 2 years sorting out a lot of the mess left over from Covid.

But alas I do have a plan, I promised the Mrs I would take her travelling to various countries little does she know and for now lets keep it that way :D

[Commander Wallace]

That is the plan in the near future, I want to resume going to museums and things.

Covid torpedoed many of my plans in 2020/21 and then had to go all hands on deck for work over the last 2 years sorting out a lot of the mess left over from Covid.

But alas I do have a plan, I promised the Mrs I would take her travelling to various countries little does she know and for now lets keep it that way :D
Considering that you not only were working but also trying to finish college, you did incredibly well. :Kaleun_Thumbs_Up:It's even harder when you factor in Covid and virtual learning through remote sites.

As anyone who has gone to college or a technical / trade school, free time comes at a premium while in school and studying.

Rest assured we won't " rat " you out to the missus regarding your plans with one caveat, you must take lots of pictures and share them with us. :Kaleun_Goofy::k_rofl:
I know we all look forward to the pictures, history and narratives that you include with your visits to ships, submarines and aircraft.


All the best. :)