Was Hitler an insane madman?

[Rockstar]

NO

https://youtu.be/nvjphjclEaQ

[mapuc]

Not in the beginning I say he wasn't he was a very speculating person who had a goal..

In the end of his life-Yes here I think he went insane mad.

Then of course I'm not a psychologist so what do I know.

Markus

[Reece]

Madman yes, I'll add a power hungry nasty piece of crap!! :k_confused:

[Rockstar]

TIK is basically saying if you think he was an INSANE madman then you are in essence protecting him because you believe he had a mental disability and therefore is not responsible for his actions. :hmmm: Something to think about. Especially considering the current aggressor that invaded Ukraine

[Skybird]

No doubt he formed out a psychopathic personality.

When that process started in his life, can be discussed. That the diagnostic concept is not just a myth, but makes sense to stick with, to me is not open for discussion (as it is for quite some psychologists today).

Diagnostic categories in psychology follow vogues, and last but not least: political correctness, sometimes for good, sometimes for worse. They can change over time not necessarily always due to new scientific insight, but due to changing times: and then just reflecting changing social values, independent of how "valuable" these values may be or may be not. If you are the only seeing man living in the land of the blind, then you are the exception from what is defined as "normal".

[Rockstar]

Can’t deny he may have been a psychopath.

But even a psychopath knows the difference between right and wrong, legal and illegal. It’s my understanding if a police officer is present a psychopath will refrain from activity which may land them in jail. Therefore a responsible person.

An insane person is not aware.

[Skybird]

He knows right and wrong in tbe meaning of recommended (not) if that officer is there. But he is also unscrupolously manipulative and anti-ethical. He knows how to manipulate others by THEIR ethics and turning these against them, but they have no moral meaning for himself, he has no morals like he has no empathy and is unable to feel empathy.

[Kapitan]

Think Alex Churchill put it best in one of the world war weird documentaries

“Hitler was basically a smack head”

[Catfish]

Hitler was not a "madman". Power greedy, without morals, yes.

He knows right and wrong in tbe meaning of recommended [...] But he is also unscrupolously manipulative and anti-ethical. He knows how to manipulate others by THEIR ethics and turning these against them, but they have no moral meaning for himself, he has no morals like he has no empathy and is unable to feel empathy.
That is what i think, and which fits for a lot of potentates.

[Skybird]

One needs to never forget one thing aboug such a psychopathic personality structure: it is capable of unlimited cruelty without any remorse, if that is what serves its interests. Psychopaths are egoism monsters.

[Catfish]

How the propaganda resembles ..

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/optimally-irrational/202203/how-russias-propaganda-really-works

"In a situation where a regime does something likely to be unpopular with its people, like the current invasion of Ukraine, propaganda can channel citizens through three steps of rationalisation: denial, minimisation, and justification.

In the denial phase, the propaganda can help citizens reject the factual evidence and believe that it is not happening:
“There is no war, it is a limited operation.”

In the minimisation phase, as factual evidence gets harder to reject, propaganda may help citizens minimise the problem:
“There is a conflict but it is limited.”

Finally, in the justification phase, propaganda can help citizens progressively accept and support the new reality:
“There is a war but it was needed.”

Same everwhere, since millenia. Only the means to spread and infiltrate private homes have changed.

[Jimbuna]

I believe Hitler and Putin more or less both tick the same boxes.

[mapuc]

The biggest question is...

Would we recognize an upcoming Hitler a person like him ?

Some will say Putin is like Hitler- This may be true..but I'm thinking here in our western hemisphere..would people when they vote see what kind of person the Politician is-His or her true psychological nature ?

Markus

[Skybird]

Obviously not. People still go voting. And often its the worst of the worst winning. The system is designed to maximise the chance that this and nothing else is the outcome. Stop legitimise it.

[Jimbuna]

Obviously not. People still go voting. And often its the worst of the worst winning. The system is designed to maximise the chance that this and nothing else is the outcome. Stop legitimise it.

Yep :yep:

[blackswan40]

What ever situation Hitler found him self in world war two the more ridical the solution that was the route chosen by Hitler even if it went against the strategic plan or Military necessity.

1. The battle of Britain last week of August - first week of September the Luftwaffer had been bombing 11th Groups airfields mercilessly.
Raf Fighter Command was on its knees then the Germans sent a night raid to the shorts factory on the outskirts of London the wind had blown the bombers off course and anti aircraft guns opened up the German Bombers ditched their bombs on the out skirts of London and flew back to France Herman Goring had said earlier that if a bomb fell on Berlin you can call me Mier "Mud" or Mier being a common german name akin to smith in England sure enough RAF Bomber Command Bombed Berlin a couple of nights later Aldolf Hitler was in a right state chewing carpets so to speak and on Berlin Radio he said this to the German Nation if the English Luftwaffer drop 300 - 400 - 500 kgs of bombs on German cities then we will drop 3000 - 4000 - 5000 kgs of bombs on England and wipe out your cities.
So on 7th September German Bombers head for England all 11th Groups fighters are up guarding airfields then as the German Bombers cross the Coast they turn north west heading for London.
London burned the east end was ablaze later that night another raid of 250 bombers came in guided by the orange after glow of burning London.
but after the London raids there was a week of bad weather low cloud ect the Germans thought the RAF had been shot out of the sky.
But turning on London was the Germans bigest blunder at the time in the war.
Now Leigh Mallorys 12th Group fighters were now close enough to help 11th Group leigh Mallory's so called "BIG WING" also the German Bombers would lose most of their protection German fighters could only stay for ten minuets over London the German Bombers had further to go and to go back.


On the 15th September thats now known as Battle of Britain Day the Luftwaffer lost 56 Aircraft and that was the first defeat inflicted on the all conquering Germans in world war II.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wWX0n6c3Ho



2.After D-Day in June 1944 instead of launching the V1's at the bridge-head Hitler demanded that they be used as a terror weapon against London and not fired at the marshalling yards just off the Normandy beaches and taking a sleeping pil on the 5th June and denying the panzer divisions freedom of command they could only move to the coast with the Furhers permision by the time he had woken up on the afternoon of the 6th of june it was too late the allies had a foot hold in France.

[MaDef]

Question is moot, Hitler has been dead for 76 years.

[blackswan40]

So theres been three generations that have grown up since the end of WWII not worrying about the curse of fascizm and lifting it from the brow of men.
Thats so 20th century whats the point in looking backwards the past is the past and best forgotten.
Until history repeats its self and once again the young men and women of the world have to die due to the actions of one mans mad idea of leaving a legacy of rebuilding a new eastern empire a wall of red and when that plan fails just like Hitlers Grand Plan if we can not conquer I Putin will lay waste to Ukraine and drag the world into the abyss too.

[Platapus]

I think Hitler was a sane madman

[blackswan40]

and the best Allied General that shortened the war by two years