Elon Musk takes over Twitter

[Skybird]

^ This.

[Onkel Neal]

This have to be a massive mistake, $44 billion for...what? Sheesh.

[Skybird]

Here in Germany we thought the same about Tesla. "It will never make profit", Germans knew (also: it cnanto be what shoukd not be...) And now? He is up and away and leads the German car makers around by a ring through their noses.

He must see something in Twitter that us ordinary mortals cannot. And that maybe must not necessarily be financial, economic potentials. Maybe its purely political.

And no, I still have no Twitter or FB or any other such account. :)

[Onkel Neal]

Yeah, probably. In 3 years everyone will marvel at his vision when Twitter makes him the first trillionaire.

[em2nought]

http://timhillpsychotherapy.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/What-Would-You-Do-With-Your-Freedom.jpg

[Catfish]

So Twitter is not longer present at the stock exchange, it will no longer be publicly traded - there will no longer be a CEO with a board of directors or shareholders. All shareholders are gonna get liquidated. It will just be Twitter and Musk.
Twitter can be a powerful tool in the hands of demagogues for silencing critics, changing opinions and influencing.


Fox News and Carlson are already back on Twitter

https://i.imgur.com/OKqfjWDl.png


Maybe Musk can also reinstate Trump as TwinC (Twitterer in (mis)Chief) ?


But then maybe Musk just shuts Twitter down becasue he does not want to be tracked.

[Jimbuna]

I'm simply wondering what his future plans are :hmmm:

[Skybird]

^
Some project located in the vicinity of Alpa Centauri, I heard.


Seriously, I dont evben know whether he was/is pro or against Trump, but maybe he is just pissed by increasing regulation gagging media and streamlining the allowed public opinion in the name of politically correct and ordered things.


Or maybe he is pro Trump, i dont know, in which case he simply would be a nutcase in my book. 44 bn in sponsoring money? That would redefine the meaning of "crazy".

[Skybird]

The beginning of an opinion piece in Die Welt that probably aims at the correct direction. The rest is behind a paywall, but you get the idea:

Elon Musk is a liberal visionary. The fact that he can now buy Twitter is good news for everyone who wants to defend freedom of speech against the woke speech bans of the zeitgeist. The catcalling already underway among the embittered elites shows just how important this is.

One piece of good news. Elon Musk can buy Twitter and thus take over a communication channel that in Germany has become a biotope of radicals of left and right provenance. The kind of minimalism that condenses zeitgeist fashions into discourse dictates spread between the poles.


In this country, an imperialist moralism is at work. It is particularly suited to the lifestyles of underemployed, semi-ambitious thinkers without a heavy burden of responsibility, who confuse their own lifeworld in the gentrified neighborhood of old buildings with reality.

[Onkel Neal]

With Tesla, SpaceX and Starlink, I would think he has enough on his hands. Well, Elon likes unfettered free speech, we all do, but I don't think he realizes how squirrely it can go.

[Buddahaid]

It will still be moderated.

[Rockstar]

Here’s what Musk said:

"Free speech is the bedrock of a functioning democracy, and Twitter is the digital town square where matters vital to the future of humanity are debated," said Mr. Musk. "I also want to make Twitter better than ever by enhancing the product with new features, making the algorithms open source to increase trust, defeating the spam bots, and authenticating all humans. Twitter has tremendous potential – I look forward to working with the company and the community of users to unlock it."

He has also said he wants to get away from ad based revenue and implement a new paid subscription service. Which may help authenticate who the real humans are. I don’t think spambots have credit cards or bitcoin :) .

The guy is a genius and I really don’t think he has time to pay that much attention to the daily flood of all the simple minded arguments over the latest clickbait, sensational headlines and memes about him or others either. I hope he succeeds in making it better and makes a crap load of money doing it.

This is a definition of a spambot:

https://5995.io/what-are-spambots-why-is-elon-musk-going-after-them-on-twitter-technology-news-firstpost/

In its most rudimentary form, a spambot is a programme that is used to spread across various avenues of the internet. It can be in the form of an email, or as is the case with Twitter, in the form of a fake or stolen profile, that spreads malicious comments. Hackers and spammers have used spambots to spread malicious links, attack and harass people on the internet, malign campaigns, and in some cases, interfere in governance by swinging elections. Spambots have also led to legitimate accounts being hacked, which have then been used to spread misinformation. Clearly, spambots represent everything that is wrong, and everything that can go wrong with social media, and the Internet in general.

[Bilge_Rat]

well, personally, I don't think Twitter will change all that much.

Elon Musk is an entrepreneur first. He is risking U.S. $44 Billion of his own money into this. From what I have seen of the financing structure, he is essentially using up most of his personal collateral and personal borrowing room to close this deal. If it goes south, he could lose big.

Twitter is a valuable property, visited daily by millions of people, most of which are successful adults in the 30-40s in their prime spending years which are what most advertisers are looking for, but it does not look like Twitter was run that efficiently.

Twitter's gross revenue in 2021 was U.S. $5 Billion up from U.S. $3.4 Billion in 2019, but Twitter actually lost money in 2021 down from a profit of U.S. $1.4 Billion in 2019 and the stock price was at U.S. $77 one year ago. Twitter is one business which should have profited from the Pandemic when people were stuck at home.

So by one metric, you could argue it is actually a good deal at U.S. $44 Billion...:o

However, to justify the investment and get a decent return of say 10% per year, he will have to increase revenue and slash costs, so at this point I would see his "free speech" spiel as more marketing than anything else.

[mapuc]

The extreme antibody reaction from those who fear free speech says it all

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519020176884305920

Markus

[Catfish]

I think this guy takes himself much too serious.
Free speech is possible anywhere, and Twitter has exactly zilch to do with it.
Maybe good idea to make money, go ahead, i give a sh!t.

[Jeff-Groves]

Elon is a Goa'uld bent on domination of our World.
:hmph:
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=1069&pictureid=12495

[Skybird]

Free speech is possible anywhere,
Only thta polls show that many Germans say they do not dare to speak out their free opinion anymore due to social sanctions and ****storms. Many platforms also are heavily policed by ideologically driven thought controllers. German Wikipedia for example is famous for it. Thre abuse ios form both sides: the indeed extremeists, and the guardians who want to install de facto censorship of legal or social means in defence of nobody being offended, nboody feeling hurt and nobody feeling walked upon.



Dont like an opinion you read? Claim an micro aggression, refer to your sensitivity and how hurt you felt, and the pack howls in your favour.



Somebody once said it best: either talking about what free speech is allowed to say and what not - or simply having free speech.

[mapuc]

Following is copied from a Danish politician and translated

"Now begins prominent Black Lives Matter, woke, left-leaning, US-liberal and Cancel Culture supporters
to leave twitter - they do not like freedom of speech."

Markus

[Otto Harkaman]

I think he bought it because they tried to censor HIS free speech? Revenge buyout?

[Buddahaid]

Elon is a Goa'uld bent on domination of our World.
:hmph:


That's a bad job cleaning up the bloodshot eyes...

[nikimcbee]

I'm simply wondering what his future plans are :hmmm:


Purchase Newcastle United FC?:D

[Jimbuna]

Purchase Newcastle United FC?:D

He couldn't afford us :)

[mapuc]

1. Twitter isn't free not yet to be correct a friend had to remove a post.

2. Don't know whether this is true or not

Well I tried to find an English version of the Swedish text EU could Ban Twitter in the entire EU..due to Musk free speech.

Only thing I could find was this

Elon Musk vowed to prioritize free speech as Twitter Inc.’s new owner, but a senior official from the European Union has warned the world’s richest person will still have to contend with the region’s strict content rules, just like any other social media company.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-26/musk-s-free-speech-twitter-dream-gets-eu-warning-via-twitter

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

This have to be a massive mistake, $44 billion for...what? Sheesh.

Control the media. Control the world.

[Dargo]

Twitter was flooded with user reports of high-profile accounts’ losing thousands of followers in the hours after news broke that Tesla CEO Elon Musk would purchase the social network. The company said Tuesday that the “fluctuations in follower counts” came from “organic” account closures.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/27/twitter-says-mass-deactivations-after-musk-news-were-organic.html

[AVGWarhawk]

Twitter was flooded with user reports of high-profile accounts’ losing thousands of followers in the hours after news broke that Tesla CEO Elon Musk would purchase the social network. The company said Tuesday that the “fluctuations in follower counts” came from “organic” account closures.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/27/twitter-says-mass-deactivations-after-musk-news-were-organic.html

Hope the platform closes up. It is full of hate and vitriol like none other.

[Subnuts]

Plenty of places to get your daily dose of stochastic terrorism whatever happens to Twitter in the long run. 😐

[Jeff-Groves]

So the Jaffa rebel against a false God?
:har:

[Platapus]

It will be interesting to see how he reacts to "free speech" when it is directed against him or counter to his opinions.

[Rockstar]

It will be interesting to see how he reacts to "free speech" when it is directed against him or counter to his opinions.

Ol’ Elon, having been on this planet for awhile now and assuming he even bothers to spend time wondering what the god social media says. I’m sure would have already reacted.

Even Albert Einstein had to put up with naysayers but only in Germany was his theories discussed, criticized, and defended.

[Skybird]

Have fun with authenticate all real humans, Elon! :03:

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/04/28/tech/elon-musk-authenticate-all-real-humans/index.html

Could be he underestimated this. Or not?


Also, many users do not buy his diea of "free speech". After the deal became known, twitter saw a wave of mass account deactivations. Most users doing so seem to be worried by it turning even more into a toxic, propagandistic battleground, a trend that was already inherent before, but now pushed people towards a decision.

[Buddahaid]

What does that mean? You are either human or something else. :O:

[stoppro]

I dislike elon musk. A lot.

[Skybird]

If he implements a Voight-Kampff Test, make sure you are not positive.

[Platapus]

What does that mean? You are either human or something else. :O:


Fake or phony identities for accounts probably

[Buddahaid]

Fake or phony identities for accounts probably

I know. It's like the ads where they say the testimonies are from real people as if actors are not real people.

[Platapus]

I know. It's like the ads where they say the testimonies are from real people as if actors are not real people.


The ones I remember say that they are testimonies from real customers.

[MaDef]

If he implements a Voight-Kampff Test, make sure you are not positive.
That's the problem with you kids (collective) today, you're having a hard time distinguishing real life from make believe.

[Buddahaid]

That's the problem with you kids (collective) today, you're having a hard time distinguishing real life from make believe.

Oh get off my lawn!:arrgh!:

[Onkel Neal]

Since the Twitter caper I have grown disenchanted with Musk. Yes, I will give him SpaceX, love that. Tesla: jury's still out on that one. Ask me in a year, if the stock bubble still exists. But Mars? Solar panels? Self-driving electric 18-wheelers? Hyperloops? Chips in your brain? He's mostly hot air. I've watched a few skeptic videos and when they showcase his many various tech talks and claims, he's really underdelivered on some wild promises. This video really helps break down his pattern and penchant for attention.

https://youtu.be/91lxr3UD8ys

.


Even Starlink looks untenable as a profit-making enterprise. :(
https://youtu.be/2vuMzGhc1cg

[Onkel Neal]

Boy, this is getting crazy. First, Elon tried to buy Twitter and Twitter tried to avoid the takeover.

Then Elon changed his mind (too late!) and now he wants to walk away but Twitter will not let him.

This is one time Elon's cocky mouth got him in deep.:doh:

https://youtu.be/YNpNq169QOo

[Skybird]

So is Musk's claim that Twitter did not provide him substantial data on the number of fake accounts, as they were obligated by contract, just a strawman argument?

[Onkel Neal]

Don't know, but the press and analysts here are confident that it is.

[Skybird]

Maybe Musk is closer to the truth than the public believes!?


https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/25/tech/ftc-twitter-whistleblower/index.html

[Onkel Neal]

Landslide begins!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/10/27/twitter-elon-musk/

But Twitter’s board — while angry at Musk’s tactics — was ultimately eager for the deal.

Twitter executives were predicting internally that the company would be far off track from revenue targets in 2022, according to documents obtained by The Washington Post, as well as people familiar with the matter, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe proceedings.

Twitter’s board was planning to make “drastic” cuts to staff and other services, including cutting roughly a quarter of the budget for third-party contractors who moderate content for the company, major cuts to infrastructure and data centers, and firing thousands of people to shave at least $700 million off labor costs, according to the interviews and documents. One of the leaders who signed off on the layoff notices was Edgett, who was fired Thursday.

Executives also believed that the company would not have easily found other buyers, according to one of the people.

Musk announced his acquisition three days before those layoffs were set to be announced, tabling the plans.

[Gilbou]

What Musks see that most people don't is that numbers matter.


If you have a platform which concentrates one part of the political spectrum, either left or right, you are not touching everyone. Currently, Twitter seems to be more left-biased than right-biased (seeing that they did censor information reported by a major journal, the New York Times, when they reported information that was 100 % factual - censoring one of the major press in the USA is a huge, huge mistake).


Musks wants a platform, and he said it clearly, for MARKETING.
He wants a platform with both left and right oriented people.
Sure... those two factions in the USA are gonna wage war online, but meanwhile, Musks will be able to push MARKETING to both sides because BOTH sides will be online on that platform.


https://i.ibb.co/4K78c8v/1.png

He wants both "factions" from opposite sides of the political spectrum to be online in the same agora. So he can then market those audiences to the groups that want to push marketing there.


He wants to do with Twitter what Google has become : first, and foremost, a marketing company.


Google is not about search. It is about marketing :


https://i.ibb.co/c6wtjCL/2.png

He's stating his point of view clearly.


He wants everyone in that platform.
And he will use the law of each country to find out what can be allowed, and what has to be removed, country by country (which is going to be a little weird, because some countries will accept content that other countries will not, and Twitter is a global Internet platform).


People will fight online, and on each sides we'll have people freaking out. For sure.


But Musk will be able to market to everyone at the same time by avoiding the platform to be either an echo chamber for the left, or the right.


He's looking beyond the political divide and will try to replicate what made Google so powerful and rich : turn the company into a marketing tool.

[August]

Elvis has left the building!

No, wait those were Twitter Executives! :haha:

[Gilbou]

What I'm wondering is why he wants the company to become private.


A private company doesn't have to publish a lot of information about its internal financial status compared to a company that is listed on the market.


There's also the question about control through shares.


I'm not into finance enough to know or understand why or how taking the company private is as important as it seems.

[mapuc]

A comment on Musk written comment about right wing and left wing turn into a echo chamber.

Well people are doing this by them self. Around 90 % of my friends on FB who belong to one of these political wings has blocked the opposite.

People belonging to right or left will still block each other-so Musk have to learn how to live with this echo chamber.

Markus

[Gilbou]

I never registered to any of those things. No twitter, no facebook. Nothing.
Well I guess I'm too old and rusty for those things :haha:


Just give me a boat and a heading


:arrgh!:

[August]

A private company also doesn't have to make long term decisions based on the short term profit goals of it's investors.

[Dargo]

Buying Twitter is an accelerant to creating X, the everything app https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1577428272056389633?s=20&t=irXm1aLxNHodV3-DPTksDQ

X was reason for Musk to buy Twitter early this month, after first unilaterally halting the takeover. It involves a concept that we in the West don't really know: an app that makes a lot of other apps redundant. In China, WeChat has been around for years. Basically, it resembles WhatsApp, but in the superlative sense. Not only do you chat there, you also arrange your banking and insurance affairs, book airline tickets and pay your bills. It has been a Silicon Valley dream for years to get something like this off the ground. Mark Zuckerberg, in particular, would love to put all those functionalities into one app. Although he owns Facebook and chat apps like Messenger and WhatsApp, he has not yet succeeded.

[Platapus]

Well, I learned that Twitter was important for our entire civilization.


Wow! What have I been missing all these years?

[Jimbuna]

Billionaire Elon Musk has said there will be no changes to Twitter's content moderation policies for now after completing his $44bn (£38.1bn) takeover of the platform.

"To be super clear, we have not yet made any changes to Twitter's content moderation policies," he tweeted.

Earlier he announced the creation of a new council to moderate posts.

He also tweeted that "anyone suspended for minor & dubious reasons" would be "freed from Twitter jail".

"Comedy is now legal on Twitter," he said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63428848

[Skybird]

I think he will wreak considerable havoc in the political landscape, and want to establish fake news as equal to evidence, so that the concept of an ultimate truth of last resort - the definition of "truth" - is completely destroyed. That, by the way, is the goal of the Russian propaganda ploy: to make any certainty about reality impossible through maximum confusion and then to push forward with their own narrative into the vacuum thus created. Also Trump - and those who follow him - does nothing else but exactly this.

Anyone who has read Musk's remarks on the foreign policy plan for Ukraine can easily calculate that only dangerous things can result from this low intellectual level. Musk should limit himself to what he is obviously good at: Run Tesla and Space X. But improving the world - well, he still has to do a lot of convincing for me. You have to remember that he is first and foremost an entrepreneur. And entrepreneurs primarily have entrepreneurial interests.

[Jimbuna]

^ Yep :yep:

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Billionaire Elon Musk has said there will be no changes to Twitter's content moderation policies for now after completing his $44bn (£38.1bn) takeover of the platform.

"To be super clear, we have not yet made any changes to Twitter's content moderation policies," he tweeted.

Earlier he announced the creation of a new council to moderate posts.

He also tweeted that "anyone suspended for minor & dubious reasons" would be "freed from Twitter jail".

"Comedy is now legal on Twitter," he said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63428848 Yet, that is the key word here.

[u crank]

I think he will wreak considerable havoc in the political landscape, and want to establish fake news as equal to evidence, so that the concept of an ultimate truth of last resort - the definition of "truth" - is completely destroyed.

And how is that any different to what went on before he bought it. Legitimate news stories (Hunter Biden laptop), which turned out to be true were censored for political gain during an election cycle. Free speech is a tricky thing but accurate news reporting being censored is the direct opposite of free speech.

Now I know that in the past when people complained about it that the stock answer was, "well it is a private company and they can do what they want." Let's say that again for the record.

[Gilbou]

The next US elections is going to be a serious mess on the online social networks


No way I'm ever gonna install that "X" app


:doh:

[Skybird]

No way I'm ever gonna install that "X" app

Once cash money is gone and public transportation demands an app instead of a paper ticket and authortiy interact with you onyl via onloine portals and apps...

Its coming, and more and more of this crap is already reality in more and more countries.

Its a damn pest.

The really discouraging thing is that many, especially younger ones who do not know it any different, even embrace the golden line being attached around their necks.

Dont be fooled by that it is golden and looks nice. Its unbreakable and can strangle you, if the hand holding the other end of this golden line wants it so.


And dont be fooled again. That hand at the other end of the line is not yours.

[August]

Billionaire Elon Musk has said there will be no changes to Twitter's content moderation policies for now after completing his $44bn (£38.1bn) takeover of the platform.

"To be super clear, we have not yet made any changes to Twitter's content moderation policies," he tweeted.

Earlier he announced the creation of a new council to moderate posts.

He also tweeted that "anyone suspended for minor & dubious reasons" would be "freed from Twitter jail".

"Comedy is now legal on Twitter," he said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63428848




"There will be no changes" is not at all the same thing as "we have not yet made any changes".

[Skybird]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/10/28/musk-twitter-racist-posts/


Quelle surprise!

[Skybird]

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/30/business/musk-tweet-pelosi-conspiracy/index.html


He didn't let me wait long. What have I written just two days ago?


I think he will wreak considerable havoc in the political landscape, and want to establish fake news as equal to evidence, so that the concept of an ultimate truth of last resort - the definition of "truth" - is completely destroyed. (...) Anyone who has read Musk's remarks on the foreign policy plan for Ukraine can easily calculate that only dangerous things can result from this low intellectual level.

Garbage X has started. Have a nice disaster flight, the trip will be a nightmare.

[Dargo]

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/30/business/musk-tweet-pelosi-conspiracy/index.html


He didn't let me wait long. What have I written just two days ago?


I think he will wreak considerable havoc in the political landscape, and want to establish fake news as equal to evidence, so that the concept of an ultimate truth of last resort - the definition of "truth" - is completely destroyed. (...) Anyone who has read Musk's remarks on the foreign policy plan for Ukraine can easily calculate that only dangerous things can result from this low intellectual level.

Garbage X has started. Have a nice disaster flight, the trip will be a nightmare.Unlimited freedom of speech on social media leads to polarization, to the spread of disinformation and the undermining of democracy, to a huge increase in hatred as well, and an upsurge in all kinds of racism. This is because of the nature of social media, because of their revenue model enshrined in their algorithms. Social media float on advertisements and thus want attention, as much and for as long as possible, from as many people as possible. The most attention attracts expressions that generate hate and outrage. Thus, any algorithm that wants to generate as much attention as possible will favor such polarizing, promoting and hateful posts.

[mapuc]

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/30/business/musk-tweet-pelosi-conspiracy/index.html


He didn't let me wait long. What have I written just two days ago?


I think he will wreak considerable havoc in the political landscape, and want to establish fake news as equal to evidence, so that the concept of an ultimate truth of last resort - the definition of "truth" - is completely destroyed. (...) Anyone who has read Musk's remarks on the foreign policy plan for Ukraine can easily calculate that only dangerous things can result from this low intellectual level.

Garbage X has started. Have a nice disaster flight, the trip will be a nightmare.

In my opinion an owner of meeting place like twitter, Facebook or a forum should be 110% political neutral.

Markus

[em2nought]

In my opinion an owner of meeting place like twitter, Facebook or a forum should be 110% political neutral.

Markus

You left off "in a perfect world". Not even an artificial intelligence is 100% political neutral.

[mapuc]

You left off "in a perfect world". Not even an artificial intelligence is 100% political neutral.

You could be right I in my opinion have this standpoint being a owner of a place where people with different political, religious and layer of society meets it's important to keep a neutral standpoint.

That's how I see it.

And if you doubt then I can tell you it is possible-I have for a short time-Around 3 month been a owner of a Danish Forum(that's why I want to create a new one again)I toke over a complete forum. With members and all that.
Before this I have always been to the right on the political spectrum-When I toke over I became neutral-100 %.

Markus

[Buddahaid]

Goodbye Twitter. Musk takes on Apple and I think he's going to lose badly because he'll also have to take on Google.

It looks to me like Twitter and Truth will end up merging as Musk starts his own phone company and app store. Twuth?

[em2nought]

Goodbye Twitter. Musk takes on Apple and I think he's going to lose badly because he'll also have to take on Google.

It looks to me like Twitter and Truth will end up merging as Musk starts his own phone company and app store. Twuth?




Fine with me, I'd be happy to stop funding people who hate me. :03:

[u crank]

Goodbye Twitter. Musk takes on Apple and I think he's going to lose badly because he'll also have to take on Google.

That would be an unbelievably stupid mistake on their part.

[Rockstar]

Twitter, Truth and Apple blue anon conspiracy theories starting now? Does Blue Anon ever end?

I suppose there isn’t that much of a need to advertise if you have weak demand for a new product line or DON’T have a product to sell because Apple workers in its China based Apple factory’s are violently rioting over mandate nazi lockdowns, no time off, prison like conditions and slave wages. All of which (not including weak demand) has currently contributed to major supply disruptions of close to 6 million iPhone products.

Also if you read the business papers instead of your blue anon conspiracy theory websites. You’ll find Apple isn’t the only company cutting back on advertising as well as laying off employees. Of course you can blame Musk thinking there is some kind of hidden conspiracy if you want, but you’re just embarrassing yourself again if you do.

[Buddahaid]

Twitter, Truth and Apple blue anon conspiracy theories starting now? Does Blue Anon ever end?

I suppose there isn’t that much of a need to advertise if you have weak demand for a new product line or DON’T have a product to sell because Apple workers in its China based Apple factory’s are violently rioting over mandate nazi lockdowns, no time off, prison like conditions and slave wages. All of which (not including weak demand) has currently contributed to major supply disruptions of close to 6 million iPhone products.

Also if you read the business papers instead of your blue anon conspiracy theory websites. You’ll find Apple isn’t the only company cutting back on advertising as well as laying off employees. Of course you can blame Musk thinking there is some kind of hidden conspiracy if you want, but you’re just embarrassing yourself again if you do.

What are you talking about? My comments were in regard to Elon complaining about Apple possibly taking Twitter out of it's store over Twitter content moderation. Twitter advertisers do have to consider how their products are linked in the user feeds regardless of how you would portray it.

EDIT: Think of Wheaties boxes with famous pedophiles on them. I used pedophiles because the MAGHATS are obsessed with them.

[Rockstar]

What’s a maghat? You starting to see them everywhere now too?

[Buddahaid]

What’s a maghat? You starting to see them everywhere now too?

:haha:
There's one now.
https://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/images/reviews/190/1170350106.jpg

[August]

:haha:
There's one now.
https://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/images/reviews/190/1170350106.jpg




And what do you have against poor Jim? :hmmm:

[Buddahaid]

And what do you have against poor Jim? :hmmm:

Nothing but I seem to recall Marlin frequently saying "There's one now."

[mapuc]

As long as Tech MAGA (Microsoft, Apple, Google, and Amazon) have unlimited power to engage in bundling and to act as gatekeepers of competitive products, there cannot be a healthy startup ecosystem.

https://twitter.com/DavidSacks/status/1597625114132353025

Markus

[August]

Nothing but I seem to recall Marlin frequently saying "There's one now."


So you are just trying to insult a forum member then?

[Rockstar]

Unless someone has in their possession of copy of the latest Blue Anon code book to help them understand these new terms and acronyms. It makes it hard for anyone to be insulted.

[August]

Unless someone has in their possession of copy of the latest Blue Anon code book to help them understand these new terms and acronyms. It makes it hard for anyone to be insulted.


It's the thought that counts. :yep:

[Buddahaid]

So you are just trying to insult a forum member then?

I don't follow you. There was no intent to insult so I'm missing something.

[Dargo]

The European Union has threatened Elon Musk's Twitter with a ban unless the billionaire abides by its strict rules on content moderation, setting up a regulatory battle over the future of the social media platform https://www.reuters.com/technology/eu-warns-musk-that-twitter-faces-ban-over-content-moderation-ft-2022-11-30/

[August]

I don't follow you. There was no intent to insult so I'm missing something.


You called Rockstar a "maghat". I don't believe the term is complimentary and I also doubt your claim of confusion.

[Catfish]

If MAGA means "Make America great again",
how would you abbreviate T.'s new motto "Make America Great And Glorious Again"?

[Ostfriese]

If MAGA means "Make America great again",
how would you abbreviate T.'s new motto "Make America Great And Glorious Again"?


MAGAGA. Sounds gaga.

[Skybird]

EU threatens to ban Twitter.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-63816110


edit: Dargo was faster.

[August]

If MAGA means "Make America great again",
how would you abbreviate T.'s new motto "Make America Great And Glorious Again"?




He has a new motto? Apparently you follow Trump much more than I do because that's completely new to me.

[Buddahaid]

You called Rockstar a "maghat". I don't believe the term is complimentary and I also doubt your claim of confusion.

I see. I did not call Rockstar a maghat, I said maghats are obsessed with pedophilia. It's not a connection I intended as a personal insult.

[Gorpet]

Twitter users heads are bursting, Just like the Martians in Mars Attacks! Who would ever contemplate or know that Twitter. A venue where you could in the beginning just express your inner self online and post. Would become such a Democracy where every person that isn't in the tribal mind think and following a Political agenda. Would be banned and canceled ? But it happened, And 1 man on this planet who understands.The Peter Principle which no voter or invester even understands or knows about today in our new world.
Much less the everyday ant of 21st century. So i'm happy that there's someone one this planet that's smarter than any University Professor or all the World Leaders.The question will be how long will they let him live.:up:

[u crank]

This is what happens when the woke crowd gets a little power and authority.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1598822959866683394.html

Szabo’s letter contains chilling passages relaying Democratic lawmakers’ attitudes. They want “more” moderation, and as for the Bill of Rights, it's "not absolute"

I'm guessing there is more to come on this story.

[Dargo]

This is what happens when the woke crowd gets a little power and authority.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1598822959866683394.html



I'm guessing there is more to come on this story.Taibbi is a soft Putin apologist

[Dargo]

What Elon Musk’s Twitter files have revealed so far is that content moderation at Twitter WAS being decided by a team of people with differing viewpoints.

Now it’s being decided by the richest man on Earth with an axe to grind against one political party — a true scandal. https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1598830730963845123

[Buddahaid]

I'll point out that Apple pulling it's advertising is an example of free speech on their part. Twitter can sue Apple if they don't like it.

[Otto Harkaman]

The Twittergate files

What did the President know and when did he know it? Musk releases Hunter Biden laptop files that reveal Twitter execs replied 'handled' to requests from 'Biden team' and DNC to delete tweets just ten days after scandal broke

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11498015/Musk-says-Twitter-acting-orders-government-suppress-Hunter-Biden-laptop-story.html

[u crank]

What Elon Musk’s Twitter files have revealed so far is that content moderation at Twitter WAS being decided by a team of people with differing viewpoints.

From the posted Twitter thread by Matt Taibbi, quote ....

Both parties had access to these tools. For instance, in 2020, requests from both the Trump White House and the Biden campaign were received and honored. However: This system wasn't balanced. It was based on contacts. Because Twitter was and is overwhelmingly staffed by people of one political orientation, there were more channels, more ways to complain, open to the left (well, Democrats) than the right. The resulting slant in content moderation decisions is visible in the documents you’re about to read.

On October 14, 2020, the New York Post published BIDEN SECRET EMAILS, an expose based on the contents of Hunter Biden’s abandoned laptop. Twitter took extraordinary steps to suppress the story, removing links and posting warnings that it may be “unsafe.” They even blocked its transmission via direct message, a tool hitherto reserved for extreme cases, e.g. child pornography.

[Dargo]

The Twittergate files

What did the President know and when did he know it? Musk releases Hunter Biden laptop files that reveal Twitter execs replied 'handled' to requests from 'Biden team' and DNC to delete tweets just ten days after scandal broke

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11498015/Musk-says-Twitter-acting-orders-government-suppress-Hunter-Biden-laptop-story.htmlAll conveyed by a questionable former expat in Russia. It's not government malfeasance to ask a company to follow its own TOS nothing in the release itself are news, but the release in context shows how Elon is moving Twitter to conservative cause célèbre. It is frustrating that so few people seem to not know the difference between TOS and the First Amendment. Including the owner of Twitter, apparently. This whole episode is another very good explanation for why there are no ads on Twitter anymore it is noteworthy that a billionaire wasted $44 billion buying a social media platform yet has no functional grasp of how the First Amendment works, knows nothing about moderation, knows nothing (apparently) of privacy issues, and fired everyone who worked there who does. It's what happens when journalists are ego-driven to drop the 'next big story', even when one doesn't exist.

[Dargo]

From the posted Twitter thread by Matt Taibbi, quote ....All old news nothing to see here Twitter’s then-CEO, Jack Dorsey, said he regretted the platform’s decision to censor the story. Censoring a paper is serious, but so is making sure stolen content weaponized by both domestic and foreign political operatives doesn't impact an election. Taibbi and Musk are making a conspiracy out of a situation where twitter staff were trying their best and at worst fumbled.

[mapuc]

Will these revelations shake the political landscape in the United States?

Markus

[Dargo]

The Twittergate files:
Hunter Biden got some hookers, smoked some crack, snorted some cocaine, probably took meth too. These are things right-wingers do all the time - so we're confused as to why they're so mad about it. Are they mad they weren't invited to the party? Is that what triggered the right wing? Breaking: Hunter Biden's Triggers Right Wing Incel Movement to Question their Own Manhood & Womanhood. Maybe that's why there are so many right-wingers trying to get the pictures

[Otto Harkaman]

https://youtu.be/bZuMaeBVEx0

[Dargo]

Will these revelations shake the political landscape in the United States?

MarkusNah only the one with small hands and his cronies have penis envy that's all folks and merikan biggly purism

[Otto Harkaman]

The Twittergate files:
Hunter Biden got some hookers, smoked some crack, snorted some cocaine, probably took meth too. These are things right-wingers do all the time - so we're confused as to why they're so mad about it. Are they mad they weren't invited to the party? Hunter Biden has a large cock. Is that what triggered the right wing? Breaking: Hunter Biden's Cock Triggers Right Wing Incel Movement to Question their Own Manhood & Womanhood. Maybe that's why there are so many right-wingers trying to get the pictures - it's penis envy.

https://youtu.be/ZWijx_AgPiA

[mapuc]

Could it be there's isn't a political scandal which some want it to be and that's why the media is silent

Evidence of one of the biggest political scandals in modern American history was revealed yesterday by .
@elonmusk
and 99% of the media is silent.

https://twitter.com/hodgetwins/status/1599080599699877888

Could very well be a scandal then one may ask why this silence ?

Markus

[Dargo]

Could it be there's isn't a political scandal which some want it to be and that's why the media is silent



https://twitter.com/hodgetwins/status/1599080599699877888

Could very well be a scandal then one may ask why this silence ?

MarkusThis is old news the media is silent because there is nothing to report on what we already know

[u crank]

Censoring a paper is serious, but so is making sure stolen content weaponized by both domestic and foreign political operatives doesn't impact an election. Taibbi and Musk are making a conspiracy out of a situation where twitter staff were trying their best and at worst fumbled.

That is pure bull crap and the files released prove that it is. For the year 2020 Twitter staff political donations were: for Republicans .. $14,140.00. For Democrats .. $909,430.00. Seems like the Twitter workforce was overwhelmly to the left. Now tell me that didn't effect what these people were up to. Oh they were doing their best. Question is what were they trying to accomplish? It is now painfully obvious that the goal was to suppress a story that would have made candidate Biden look bad. What makes it all so bad is that the story was true and the laptop contents were not stolen or "Russian Disinformation". In other words it was a legitimate story and it was suppressed for political reasons.

[August]

How long did you stare at those dirty pictures in order to ascertain that?

[Dargo]

That is pure bull crap and the files released prove that it is. For the year 2020 Twitter staff political donations were: for Republicans .. $14,140.00. For Democrats .. $909,430.00. Seems like the Twitter workforce was overwhelmly to the left. Now tell me that didn't effect what these people were up to. Oh they were doing their best. Question is what were they trying to accomplish? It is now painfully obvious that the goal was to suppress a story that would have made candidate Biden look bad. What makes it all so bad is that the story was true and the laptop contents were not stolen or "Russian Disinformation". In other words it was a legitimate story and it was suppressed for political reasons.Donations are no proof at all that was a choice by twitter like it is in any other company google apple etc. the other thing, Twitter’s then-CEO, Jack Dorsey, said he regretted the platform’s decision to censor the story so old news nothing in this has proven anything that was already publicly known. The only result will be Elon in hospital because he shot himself in the foot.

[u crank]

Donations are no proof at all that was a choice by twitter like it is in any other company google apple etc.

I think it is a pretty good indicator that it is exactly what was going on. Ten times more donations to Democrats than Republicans? Just what kind of indicator would it take to convince you?

.. so old news nothing in this has proven anything that was already publicly known.

And yet the left wing media is still trying to spin this as something it is not.

Glenn Greenwald said it best.

The whole sleazy, in-group liberal gang from NBC, Daily Beast, etc -- all the censorship advocates who think censorship advocacy is somehow compatible with journalism -- are furious that the the acts of their Dem Party allies in getting the Biden story censored are being exposed.

[Dargo]

I think it is a pretty good indicator that it is exactly what was going on. Ten times more donations to Democrats than Republicans? Just what kind of indicator would it take to convince you?I do not live in the U.S. so I do not care, it does not have any influence on me.

And yet the left wing media is still trying to spin this as something it is not.

Glenn Greenwald said it best.Glenn? That same Glenn that released the files of a man that just got a Russian passport and swore allegiance to it?

[Dargo]

Exclusive: Twitter leans on automation to moderate content as harmful speech surges... https://www.reuters.com/technology/twitter-exec-says-moving-fast-moderation-harmful-content-surges-2022-12-03/

[Dargo]

How long did you stare at those dirty pictures in order to ascertain that?Proper government conspiracies used to *mean something* in the US, God damn it! Time was there were break-ins (called ‘em ‘third-rate,’ but they were first-class all the way), off-book juntas, plausibly deniable coups, even exploding Cuban cigars. Now? ****, son.

[u crank]

I do not live in the U.S. so I do not care, it does not have any influence on me.

Seems to me that you do care. Seems to me you are trying to make a point.

Glenn? That same Glenn that released the files of a man that just got a Russian passport and swore allegiance to it?

I do not live in Russia so I do not care, it does not have any influence on me.

[Dargo]

Seems to me that you do care. Seems to me you are trying to make a point.



I do not live in Russia so I do not care, it does not have any influence on me.Why MAGA Republicans and Elon Musk are so adamant that people be able to post photos of Hunter’s johnson is something that should probably be explored with their respective preachers or psychiatrists, but it is certainly not a matter for constitutional scholars or litigators. While Mr. Lisbon from the Virgin Suicides may derive a depraved type of happiness from publishing pictures of other people’s genitals on a private company’s public bulletin board without the approval of those pictured, the First Amendment does not bestow upon him the right to prevent the company from taking down the offending material. To sum up what we learned: Big penis, little news, First Amendment not under threat. Nice try, troll, but companies can do what they want.

[Buddahaid]

That is pure bull crap and the files released prove that it is. For the year 2020 Twitter staff political donations were: for Republicans .. $14,140.00. For Democrats .. $909,430.00. Seems like the Twitter workforce was overwhelmly to the left. Now tell me that didn't effect what these people were up to. Oh they were doing their best. Question is what were they trying to accomplish? It is now painfully obvious that the goal was to suppress a story that would have made candidate Biden look bad. What makes it all so bad is that the story was true and the laptop contents were not stolen or "Russian Disinformation". In other words it was a legitimate story and it was suppressed for political reasons.

Corporations are people too.

"Consolidated Silver Mining Co. v. Pennsylvania – 125 U.S. 181 (1888), the Court clearly affirmed the doctrine, holding, "Under the designation of 'person' there is no doubt that a private corporation is included [in the Fourteenth Amendment]. Such corporations are merely associations of individuals united for a special purpose and permitted to do business under a particular name and have a succession of members without dissolution."[17] This doctrine has been reaffirmed by the Court many times since.[citation needed]

The 14th Amendment does not insulate corporations from all government regulation, any more than it relieves individuals from all regulatory obligations. Thus, for example, in Northwestern Nat Life Ins. Co. v. Riggs (203 U.S. 243 (1906)), the Court accepted that corporations are for legal purposes "persons", but still ruled that the Fourteenth Amendment was not a bar to many state laws which effectively limited a corporation's right to contract business as it pleased."

[u crank]

To sum up what we learned: Big penis, little news, First Amendment not under threat. Nice try, troll, but companies can do what they want.

I could care less about yours or anyone else's penis. That is not what this is about. As soon as we get close to what it is about you defer, attack journalists and change the subject.

But you are right about one thing. Private companies can do what they want. And that is what Musk is doing. Don't like it, well that is to bad.

[mapuc]

As I asked before would it make some huge difference in the political landscape in United States these revelations of a certain mans laptop.

I was told no-These released stuff was already known-Well some if not most of it was kind of new to me.

Had Musk any hopes for some reaction in USA after the release of these Twitter Files ?

Markus

[Dargo]

I could care less about yours or anyone else's penis. That is not what this is about. As soon as we get close to what it is about you defer, attack journalists and change the subject.

But you are right about one thing. Private companies can do what they want. And that is what Musk is doing. Don't like it, well that is to bad.And Musk will already have destroyed the income of twitter more advertising will leave, more countries will take action against the surge of hate on Twitter and more services will ban the Twitter app his behavior will cost him allot. They forced him to overpay $44 billion with no due diligence and then turn off advertisers with conspiracy theories and Nazis. Will he ever get the feeling he is being cheated?

[u crank]

The 14th Amendment does not insulate corporations from all government regulation, any more than it relieves individuals from all regulatory obligations.

I for one am not making that argument. Twitter as a private entity could do what ever they want. Just because it was legal doesn't make it right from a political point of view. The evidence is quite clear. Members of the Biden team, leftwing MSM and certain Twitter employees worked together to suppress a story that could have had an effect on the 2020 election. Even when some people at Twitter and a Democrat politician, Ro Khanna question this they went ahead and did it anyway. And again I stress that they had the right to do it. The fact that a new owner who doesn't have the same political taste is uncovering this now because he can seems to have gotten some people's shorts in a knot. Why? Is what is being revealed untrue? He and others are using the employees own words to make the case. I do not understand why people are upset about this?

[Dowly]

I'm still unsure what people are hoping to find on Hunter Biden's laptop. :doh:

[u crank]

And Musk will already have destroyed the income of twitter more advertising will leave, more countries will take action against the surge of hate on Twitter and more services will ban the Twitter app his behavior will cost him allot. They forced him to overpay $44 billion with no due diligence and then turn off advertisers with conspiracy theories and Nazis. Will he ever get the feeling he is being cheated?

It is his company so I guess he can do what ever the hell he wants to do with it. My advice is if you don't like it, don't use it, don't advertise on it and don't buy shares.

[u crank]

I'm still unsure what people are hoping to find on Hunter Biden's laptop. :doh:

:har:

I am pretty sure they are looking for the same thing they are always looking for. Political dirt.

[Buddahaid]

I think they're looking for more pictures of Hunter Biden's biggest asset....

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Meanwhile a thing happened
"Jack White Asks Elon Musk How ‘That Free Speech Thing‘ Is Working Out After Kanye West Twitter Suspension

Jack White (https://www.billboard.com/artist/jack-white/) used social media to confront Elon Musk (https://www.billboard.com/t/elon-musk/) on Friday (Dec. 2) over Kanye West (https://www.billboard.com/artist/kanye-west/)‘s latest pro-Nazi tweet (https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/elon-musk-kanye-west-twitter-account-suspended-posting-swastika-1235180029/) and the billionaire’s seemingly selective views on free speech.
“So Elon, how’s that ‘free speech’ thing working out?” the rocker wrote on Instagram in a scathing open letter to the controversial new owner of Twitter (https://www.billboard.com/t/twitter/). “Oh, I see, so you have to CHOOSE who gets free speech and who doesn’t then? What kind of crybaby liberal suspends someone’s free speech?
Hmm….” "
Read more here:https://www.msn.com/en-us/music/news/jack-white-asks-elon-musk-how-that-free-speech-thing-is-working-out-after-kanye-west-twitter-suspension/ar-AA14QCY8?cvid=57ea0bb52632486096459bb55e980db5

[u crank]

I think they're looking for more pictures of Hunter Biden's biggest asset....

I'm pretty sure that asset has a name. Rhymes with Moe.

[Otto Harkaman]

I think they're looking for more pictures of Hunter Biden's biggest asset....

https://www.reviewjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/16304935_web1_etoon1-april6.jpg
Elon Musk slams NY Times for ignoring his exposé of how Twitter censored Hunter Biden laptop - as woke outlets including Washington Post, CBS News and ABC all avoid the story too

[Dowly]

Elon Musk slams NY Times for ignoring his exposé of how Twitter censored Hunter Biden laptop - as woke outlets including Washington Post, CBS News and ABC all avoid the story too
That's because there's no story to report. Twitter being a private company they can do what they want with material posted on their platform.

[u crank]

That's because there's no story to report.

I disagree. There is a story here to report. Just because lefty platforms like NYT and CNN don't report on a subject doesn't mean there is no story. And the way this story, the Hunter Biden laptop, was handled represents one of the worst cases of journalistic malpractice in recent history. This isn't what good journalists do. They don't ignore stories because they don't like the subject matter. Nor do they attack others who are trying to report on a legitimate story. It is sad and shameful behavior from people who claim to be impartial.

From the New York Times mission statement, emphasis mine.


Independence

Over a hundred years ago, The Times pledged “to give the news impartially, without fear or favor, regardless of party, sect, or interests involved.” That commitment remains true today: We follow the truth, wherever it leads.

[mapuc]

Sorry I just HAVE to ask

Mostly those who says there's nothing to report. Nothing new.

Would you have said the same if it was Donald Trump Jr.'s Laptop ?

Would you still have said "because there's no story to report."

Markus

[Dowly]

I disagree. There is a story here to report. Just because lefty platforms like NYT and CNN don't report on a subject doesn't mean there is no story. And the way this story, the Hunter Biden laptop, was handled represents one of the worst cases of journalistic malpractice in recent history. This isn't what good journalists do. They don't ignore stories because they don't like the subject matter. Nor do they attack others who are trying to report on a legitimate story. It is sad and shameful behavior from people who claim to be impartial.
What's the story? That a private company censored a news story on their platform? The news story was still being shared through other means, the actual story was not censored. The problem with the laptop story was that it wasn't very credible, even FOX decided not to run the story at the time because of that. And saying lefty platforms didn't pick it up is nonsense, you can check it for yourself.

[Otto Harkaman]

So who is the "Big Guy"? Oh its just his father the President :doh:

Its a "no" story as much as Anthony Weiner's laptop

[MaDef]

I think it is a pretty good indicator that it is exactly what was going on. Ten times more donations to Democrats than Republicans? Just what kind of indicator would it take to convince you?
Check your math, by my calculations, it is 64.3 (Democrat) to 1 (Republican)

That's because there's no story to report. Twitter being a private company they can do what they want with material posted on their platform. Not exactly accurate, at the Time of the "laptop" story, Twitter was a publicly traded company with a Board of Directors answerable to the shareholders (ie: the general public). Now the company is not traded publicly and the Board of Directors is made up of investors and Elon Musk has final say.

What I find ironic in this whole mess is that those who said Twitter as a public company should be allowed to decide what could or could not be posted, are now upset that Twitter is doing the same thing as a private company.

[Dowly]

So who is the "Big Guy"? Oh its just his father the President :doh:Joe Biden wasn't President back then... :roll:


Sorry I just HAVE to ask

Mostly those who says there's nothing to report. Nothing new.

Would you have said the same if it was Donald Trump Jr.'s Laptop ?

Would you still have said "because there's no story to report."

MarkusIf there was nothing new? Yes. But Hunter Biden and DTJr. aren't the same thing. Hunter Biden is a private citizen where as DTJr. held official position in the Trump Administration.

[u crank]

What's the story? That a private company censored a news story on their platform?

Yes that is the story. A major social networking service conspired with a political campaign to suppress a news story because of their political loyalties. It wasn't illegal and the story was available elsewhere but that doesn't change the fact that it was done. What I can't get by is that now when this story is being revealed for all to see some people are not happy. Kinda funny actually.

[August]

Joe Biden wasn't President back then...


No he was Vice President. :roll:

[mapuc]

Thank you Dowly

Hunter Biden was a privat person, while his father was Vice President under Obama. So how much private was Hunter ?

For me it's only what's on this laptop...And this can be read here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden_laptop_controversy

In the end of the wiki page following is written:

"Joan Donovan, the research director of the Shorenstein Center on Media, Politics, and Public Policy at Harvard University, said that "This is arguably the most well-known story the New York Post has ever published and it endures as a story because it was initially suppressed by social media companies and jeered by politicians and pundits alike" "

Markus

[Dowly]

Yes that is the story. A major social networking service conspired with a political campaign to suppress a news story because of their political loyalties.Matt Taibbi provided no proof that the story was censored by order or by request of the Biden campaign.

[Dowly]

No he was Vice President. :roll:The 'Big guy' comment is from 2017, so no, he wasn't even Vice President at the time.

[mapuc]

He was VP from 2009 to 2017.

Try to find dates beside the years

Markus

[Dargo]

Thank you Dowly

Hunter Biden was a privat person, while his father was Vice President under Obama. So how much private was Hunter ?

For me it's only what's on this laptop...And this can be read here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden_laptop_controversy

In the end of the wiki page following is written:

"Joan Donovan, the research director of the Shorenstein Center on Media, Politics, and Public Policy at Harvard University, said that "This is arguably the most well-known story the New York Post has ever published and it endures as a story because it was initially suppressed by social media companies and jeered by politicians and pundits alike" "

Markushttps://grossman.arcdigital.media/p/another-hyped-hunter-biden-laptop

[mapuc]

https://grossman.arcdigital.media/p/another-hyped-hunter-biden-laptop

There's one thing I can't get it right I'm so to say scratching the top of my head.

In this wiki link I posted earlier in the first text it says

"...the laptop had been brought to his shop in April 2019 by a person who said that he was Hunter Biden. The person never came back to retrieve the computer.

I can't remember saying my name when I entered our local computer store with my laptop who had been acting weird.

From memory
Hi I have a laptop(toke it up from my bag)and lay it on the desk. then I explain the problems and he asked what my phone number was and he would contact me-When they have discovered the problems and what the price would be.

So WHY was it so important for this person to say he was Hunter Biden ?

Markus

[August]

The 'Big guy' comment is from 2017, so no, he wasn't even Vice President at the time.

Sorry Dowly.

You might have had a point if it did not refer to a business deal that happened when Biden was still in office or if it was not part of a pattern of influence dealing that goes back to when he was still a senator.

[mapuc]

Sorry Dowly.

You might have had a point if it did not refer to a business deal that happened when Biden was still in office or if it was not part of a pattern of influence dealing that goes back to when he was still a senator.

He was VP from 2009 to 2017

Can't say from which month and day to which month and day

Markus

[u crank]

He was VP from 2009 to 2017

Can't say from which month and day to which month and day

Markus

From Jan. 20 2009 till Jan 20 2017. That would be the entire two terms of President Obama.

[mapuc]

From Jan. 20 2009 till Jan 20 2017. That would be the entire two terms of President Obama.

Of course

Which also mean Dowly could be right.

Markus

[MaDef]

There's one thing I can't get it right I'm so to say scratching the top of my head.

In this wiki link I posted earlier in the first text it says

"...the laptop had been brought to his shop in April 2019 by a person who said that he was Hunter Biden. The person never came back to retrieve the computer.

I can't remember saying my name when I entered our local computer store with my laptop who had been acting weird.

From memory
Hi I have a laptop(toke it up from my bag)and lay it on the desk. then I explain the problems and he asked what my phone number was and he would contact me-When they have discovered the problems and what the price would be.

So WHY was it so important for this person to say he was Hunter Biden ?

Markus

I don't know how it's done in Europe, but here in the U.S. it is customary to leave name, number, & address when leaving real property in the care of a business. It is also known as "contact information", and ensures that the property gets released back to the rightful owner, and not just anybody that walks in off the street.

[Otto Harkaman]

Even if it was all fake wouldn't there be a story of interest and a desire to investigate who, why and when it was created?

[August]

Of course

Which also mean Dowly could be right.

Markus


The statement Dowly is referring to was made about 4 months after Biden left office. However it refers to a payoff from a deal that was struck before he left office. It is also not the first time that the current potus was referred to by that name, at least one going back to 2013.

[Dowly]

The statement Dowly is referring to was made about 4 months after Biden left office. However it refers to a payoff from a deal that was struck before he left office. It is also not the first time that the current potus was referred to by that name, at least one going back to 2013.The (alleged) email refers to a deal they started planning in May of 2017.


Can we now get back to how the Twitter Files weren't a big deal or do you want to continue this?

[August]

The (alleged) email refers to a deal they started planning in May of 2017.


Which refers to making a prior deal permanent:


Another email — sent by Biden as part of an Aug. 2, 2017, chain — involved a deal he struck with the since-vanished chairman of CEFC, Ye Jianming, for half-ownership of a holding company that was expected to provide Biden with more than $10 million a year.
Ye, who had ties to the Chinese military and intelligence service, hasn’t been seen since being taken into custody by Chinese authorities in early 2018, and CEFC went bankrupt earlier this year, according to reports.
Biden wrote that Ye had sweetened the terms of an earlier, three-year consulting contract with CEFC that was to pay him $10 million annually “for introductions alone.”

[mapuc]

I don't know how it's done in Europe, but here in the U.S. it is customary to leave name, number, & address when leaving real property in the care of a business. It is also known as "contact information", and ensures that the property gets released back to the rightful owner, and not just anybody that walks in off the street.

Maybe you are right. 'cause I knew this computer guy very well and he knew who I was.

Markus

[Gorpet]

The Twittergate files:
Hunter Biden got some hookers, smoked some crack, snorted some cocaine, probably took meth too. These are things right-wingers do all the time - so we're confused as to why they're so mad about it. Are they mad they weren't invited to the party? Is that what triggered the right wing? Breaking: Hunter Biden's Triggers Right Wing Incel Movement to Question their Own Manhood & Womanhood. Maybe that's why there are so many right-wingers trying to get the pictures

These are things right-wingers do all the time, How would you know? About so called right-wingers? Your youth and is showing and there is nothing you can do to hide it.If you want to join the adults.Get a job leave mom and dad. hell if you really want to grow up quick, Join the Ukraine Army . But left wing mouths are always the same.They shout about everything...You but not me right comrade.

[Gorpet]

It would seem, Pancakes are in order. An old intel layer that is just as good today as yesterday.Now if Dargo has any kind of Balls? And really wants to make a difference, Get your ass to the front lines of NATO. If you survive. The World is Yours.

[Gorpet]

But you know, Drago will not go. will you? Your just another rich kid that's moulding and expressing right?

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/FHWMhRt0/adminwatch-2.gif (https://postimages.org/)

[Buddahaid]

Oops, how awful that publicly available facts get tweeted inconvieniently. Twitter twattle tweetle de dumb. Spin on it Elon.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63978323

[Ostfriese]

That account doesn't even track Musk's jet, it just uses the data any civilian aircraft has to transmit regularly while in flight. That data is easily available on the internet.

[Buddahaid]

That account doesn't even track Musk's jet, it just uses the data any civilian aircraft has to transmit regularly while in flight. That data is easily available on the internet.

Exactly. Elon bans an account for posting publicly available inconvienient facts. Twitter is dead.

[Ostfriese]

The true irony is: publishing flight records is protected under the first amendment, according to a US supreme court decision made back in 1979.

[Skybird]

When you are no boring average Joe with three credit cars that all are overdue, but a wealthy man that is 190 bn coins heavy, you have a very different and far more more serious reason to be concered about situational updates on your family's exact locations and movements and positions being made all too easily available to a wide public. Its not as if kidnapping or assassination are just words and have never been seen done in reality. And being wealthy to such degrees as Musk is wealthy, are a very strong incentive for criminals to attack him, blackmailing him.

I am no fan of Musk, and I cannot stand this guy, though respecting some of his business success: success proves him right (and failures prove him wrong, of course). But Musk simply protects his family here. If I were in his place, I would have done the same.

[Ostfriese]

I am no fan of Musk, and I cannot stand this guy, though respecting some of his business success: success proves him right (and failures prove him wrong, of course). But Musk simply protects his family here. If I were in his place, I would have done the same.


That's nonsense. Data like that is easily available, there's quite a number of people whose private aircraft are being tracked like this, and it's been done for years, if not decades.

[Ostfriese]

Twitter has banned the accounts of at least seven journalists, among them Keith Olbermann and Aaron Rupar



Free Spech? Only if you say what I want.

[MaDef]

Twitter has banned the accounts of at least seven journalists, among them Keith Olbermann and Aaron Rupar



Free Spech? Only if you say what I want.How is it any different than what was going on 6 months ago, other than it is liberal pundits being "banned" rather than conservative pundits.

[Ostfriese]

How is it any different than what was going on 6 months ago, other than it is liberal pundits being "banned" rather than conservative pundits.


So, demanding "free speech" does not include everyone? Thanks for making clear what everyone already knew about the "conservative" mindset.

[em2nought]

So, demanding "free speech" does not include everyone? Thanks for making clear what everyone already knew about the "conservative" mindset.


I think he's just giving them a demonstration of their own ideals in action, maybe they'll wake up. Good for Elon! :salute:


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/QemnarzGmks/maxresdefault.jpg

[Ostfriese]

I think he's just giving them a demonstration of their own ideals in action, maybe they'll wake up. Good for Elon! :salute:



Actually he just shows what "free speech" really means to you guys: "we are allowed to say what we want without facing consequences, and you have to shut up."

[Rockstar]

Considering that $70,099,115.00 U.S. dollars was donated to U.S. political parties and individuals in 2022 by now jailed crook, Ponzi Scheme artist embezzler, and thief Samuel Benjamin Bankman-Fried. I’m kind of thinking the Twitter drama is a distraction while those politicians and party officials are busy working overtime regifting the stolen money they received from SBF.

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/ftx-us/summary?id=D000073694

[August]

So, demanding "free speech" does not include everyone? Thanks for making clear what everyone already knew about the "conservative" mindset.




You're like the guy watching someone get beat up who then accuses him of being a bully for giving his tormentors a taste of their own medicine. You never had anything to say during the initial beating but now you want to pass judgement when standards are applied fairly. :roll:

[Skybird]

This is a good summay for those of us who did not care to follow "Twittergate" en detail, it sounds balanced to me. The Neue Zürcher Zeitung writes:
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Donald Trump is blocked, Ayatollah Khamenei is allowed to continue tweeting - political arbitrariness reigns on the short message service

With the help of selected journalists, Elon Musk wants to prove the influence that politicians and ideologues have exerted on Twitter. The content of the "Twitter files" should give not only liberals and conservatives food for thought.

Matt Taibbi is one of the best-known journalists in the U.S., but his popularity just dropped precipitously. At least in left-wing Democratic media and political circles. Taibbi, they say, is a fraud, a fallen star who sold his soul to the "richest white nationalist on earth. At least that's how "New York Times" writer Wajahat Ali puts it, to lament the "sad, undignified descent" of a man who once did good work.

Indeed, Taibbi has won awards in his 30-year journalism career, exposing Wall Street's entanglements with American politics. If anything, he was considered a leftist. That this has changed is related to Taibbi's views on freedom of expression. He also sees it threatened by leftists - and now Elon Musk, currently the world's second richest man, who sells electric cars, wants to colonize space and recently bought the short message service Twitter, has also hired him.

Against the "Nazis" in the White House

Together with journalist Bari Weiss and author Michael Shellenberger, Taibbi has been tasked with evaluating the so-called "Twitter files." Because Elon Musk is convinced that Twitter has manipulated and censored public discourse in recent years - in favor of the Democrats. The former darling of the left-wing middle class has become alienated from them, in part because of the Covid policy and "wokeism" that Democrats have perverted. The dislike is mutual, especially since Musk took over at Twitter.

What Taibbi, Bari Weiss and Michael Shellenberger have presented to the public after sifting through thousands of documents - on Twitter, of course, as requested by Elon Musk - is not all new. But it is more than a "nothingburger," a hamburger without meat, as left-wing commentators sneer. It's well known that Twitter executives indirectly helped Democrats in the 2020 election campaign by suppressing a New York Post article about problematic foreign dealings by Joe Biden's son Hunter Biden. This was done with the specious argument that the article was possibly based on hacked data.

According to Matt Taibbi, both Democrats and Republicans intervened on Twitter during the election campaign to delete unpopular statements. That the Democrats were generally more successful in doing so is not yet clear from the "Twitter files". Taibbi points only to the fact that 96 to 99 percent of campaign donations from Twitter employees in recent years have gone to the Democratic Party. In addition, a high-ranking Twitter employee declared in 2017 that "Nazis" ruled the White House.

The person in question was Donald Trump - and Twitter fought him even after Joe Biden won the election. Trump famously claimed the election was rigged and stolen. After his supporters stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6, Democrats like Michelle Obama called for Trump's permanent suspension on Twitter, even though the ex-president had at least not explicitly called for violence. "Be there, will be wild!" he wrote on Jan. 6, but urged protesters to remain peaceful.

"Kill millions of French"

As the "Twitter Files" show, Trump's ban was controversial even on Twitter. Inciting violence would be difficult to prove, employees wrote in internal messages. At the same time, 300 Twitter employees signed an open letter to then-Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey calling for Trump's ban. On January 8, Twitter leadership relented - and suspended Trump's account. The decision seems all the more arbitrary because statements glorifying violence on Twitter often go without consequence, as Bari Weiss demonstrates with numerous examples.

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi was allowed to keep his Twitter account, despite threatening to have hundreds of Twitter employees arrested in India. The former Malaysian prime minister was allowed to stay on Twitter despite declaring that Muslims had the right to "kill millions of French people" after the murder of Samuel Paty. Iranian dictator Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is allowed to tweet to this day, even though he executes his citizens and even though in 2018 he called Israel a cancer that should be destroyed.

With around 400 million users, Twitter is a rather small social network, but since media, scientists, politicians and heads of state use it, its influence should not be underestimated. Bari Weiss, who was bullied out of the "New York Times" for her political views, speaks of the "power of a handful of people" on Twitter. These would "influence public discourse and democracy."

That may sound conspiracy theorist. But the influence of Twitter's management is considerable. The latter has officially always denied restricting the reach and visibility of unpopular accounts without informing users. "Fact checkers" in Europe adopted this corporate wording by placing such accusations in the vicinity of conspiracy theories. This was presumably because they came primarily from right-wing and conservative sources.

Lively exchange with state authorities

Now, however, it turns out that "shadow banning" was a tool that was by no means only used against trolls and agitators. According to the "Twitter files," one of those affected was Stanford professor Jay Bhattacharya. He presumably aroused the displeasure of the Twitter watchdogs because he criticized Corona lockdowns and school closures. Also affected by "shadow banning" was conservative activist Charlie Kirk.

Here again is the question of arbitrariness, no matter what one thinks of those affected politically. Matt Taibbi said in a podcast that the extent of the control over each individual account shocked him and his colleagues: Twitter shares vast amounts of data with government agencies like the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), he said. The latter would annotate the data and send it back. Internal Twitter reports then say that the FBI has flagged this and that, and they are discussing whether an account should be blocked or shadow-banned. Every social network has such an arrangement with the state, "but we don't know exactly how it works yet.

This realization should actually cause concern across ideological (party) lines. Elon Musk has announced that he wants to make Twitter a haven for freedom of expression again. At the same time, he has left-wing and extreme left-wing accounts reported to him so that they can be blocked. He is politically elusive and prone to erratic decisions. The Tesla owner initially tolerated an account that published the location data of Musk's private jet, then had it blocked because its security was at risk. On Thursday, Twitter blocked several accounts of several American journalists who reported on the private jet account. So leftists are right to be concerned.

But the fact that they are only now says a lot, too.
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[u crank]

You're like the guy watching someone get beat up who then accuses him of being a bully for giving his tormentors a taste of their own medicine. You never had anything to say during the initial beating but now you want to pass judgement when standards are applied fairly. :roll:

It is remarkable and somewhat ironic.

I learned that very often the most intolerant and narrow-minded people are the ones who congratulate themselves on their tolerance and open-mindedness.

Christopher Hitchens

[Onkel Neal]

Yeah, Twitter sucked before musk, sucks now as well. Explain to me why the Subsim Twitter account was suspended permanently since earlier this year? :haha:

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=1362&pictureid=12899

No specific reason or information about why. And after several "appeals" sent, nothing.

I never liked twitter and only used it a few times a year. I think Twitter and Musk deserve each other.

[Skybird]

Maybe Generla Topics helped in that suspension? :D

[Onkel Neal]

I think it has more to do with my staff tracking his private submarine. :arrgh!:

[August]

Has it been reinstated?

[Buddahaid]

I don't use, or abuse, Twitter and didn't know Subsim had an account.

[Catfish]

I think it has more to do with my staff tracking his private submarine. :arrgh!:
lol
or like this escort thing back then with Google .. :roll:

[Subnuts]

Yeah, Twitter sucked before musk, sucks now as well. Explain to me why the Subsim Twitter account was suspended permanently since earlier this year? :haha:

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=1362&pictureid=12899

No specific reason or information about why. And after several "appeals" sent, nothing.

I never liked twitter and only used it a few times a year. I think Twitter and Musk deserve each other.


I told you not to post so many pictures of long, hard, seaman filled objects. :timeout:

[Ostfriese]

You're like the guy watching someone get beat up who then accuses him of being a bully for giving his tormentors a taste of their own medicine. You never had anything to say during the initial beating but now you want to pass judgement when standards are applied fairly. :roll:

Good effort.

No points for content, though, as you missed the point completely.


Unlike certain others I understand that the concept of "free speech" is

a) granted by the government to the people, not by the webmaster to the troll and

b) free speech is not just my right to say what I want, but everyone's right.


What those crying like wee children want when they mean "free speech" is exactly what I posted above: a free pass for themselves to say whatever they want without having to face consequences, and everybody else to shut the f* up. That's not "applied fairly" (if fairness truly was what you wanted). That's as onesided as it gets.

[August]

Good effort. :Kaleun_Applaud:
I'm glad that you agree.

[Ostfriese]

I'm glad that you agree.


Read again, including the addendum. I give you another try at understanding.

[MaDef]

So, demanding "free speech" does not include everyone? Thanks for making clear what everyone already knew about the "conservative" mindset. Correct me if I'm wrong here, Twitter is now a private owned company, so the owner of the company gets to make the rules correct?

FYI: I consider twitter to be the modern day equivalent of the supermarket tabloids of the 70's.

Good effort.

Unlike certain others I understand that the concept of "free speech" is

a) granted by the government to the people, not by the webmaster to the troll and

b) free speech is not just my right to say what I want, but everyone's right.

a) you are misunderstanding the purpose of the Constitution in general, and the first amendment in particular then. Please note that "Congress" is prohibited from "abridging" free speech That right is reserved to the citizens themselves.

the following is posted for your edification:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

b) While you have the "right" to say what you want, you should also understand that if you utter something someone else finds egregious or offensive, there will be consequences headed your way ranging from censure to incarceration, depending on the nature of the speech.

[Dargo]

Correct me if I'm wrong here, Twitter is now a private owned company, so the owner of the company gets to make the rules correct?

FYI: I consider twitter to be the modern day equivalent of the supermarket tabloids of the 70's.

a) you are misunderstanding the purpose of the Constitution in general, and the first amendment in particular then. Please note that "Congress" is prohibited from "abridging" free speech That right is reserved to the citizens themselves.

the following is posted for your edification:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

b) While you have the "right" to say what you want, you should also understand that if you utter something someone else finds egregious or offensive, there will be consequences headed your way ranging from censure to incarceration, depending on the nature of the speech.
Elon buys this platform and his mantra is "freedom of speech," but instead of doing that, he's actually silencing a lot of people. His business model is trying to cater to his own brain farts, and he's losing $4 million a day (per his own admission). A smart person would change models. Twitter was making 90% of it's revenue from advertising and had more than $2 billion in cash and less than $600 million in debt. Musk paid for Twitter by taking on $13B in debt, paying for the rest with equity. Twitter is in the red and Musk still has no viable plan. The ship is sinking.

[Dargo]

Elon Musk is facing EU sanctions because of the new Twitter policy. This was announced by the Vice President of the European Commission for Values and Transparency Věra Jourová.

News about arbitrary suspension of journalists on Twitter is worrying. EU’s Digital Services Act requires respect of media freedom and fundamental rights. This is reinforced under our #MediaFreedomAct. @elonmusk should be aware of that. There are red lines. And sanctions, soon. https://twitter.com/VeraJourova/status/1603689440710369281

[Ostfriese]

Correct me if I'm wrong here, Twitter is now a private owned company, so the owner of the company gets to make the rules correct?

I guess that's correct, but in which way is that change relevant? Previously twitter was a civilian company that had given out stocks, so effectively it was privately owned (opposed to "owned in parts or in total by the government").

Of course Twitter was and is allowed to restrict whatever they want, it's got nothing to do with August's "beating someone up".

a) you are misunderstanding the purpose of the Constitution in general, and the first amendment in particular then. Please note that "Congress" is prohibited from "abridging" free speech That right is reserved to the citizens themselves.

the following is posted for your edification:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

That's basically just a different wording for what I wrote. Yes, if this was a court and everyone around here was a lawyer I'd see your point, but this is still subsim, isn't it?
(before you drag me into fine-print legal talk please keep in mind that English is not my native language, and I already hate fine-print legal talk in German.)

b) While you have the "right" to say what you want, you should also understand that if you utter something someone else finds egregious or offensive, there will be consequences headed your way ranging from censure to incarceration, depending on the nature of the speech.
That's exactly my point. Now keep in mind that since Musk has taken over the amount of racist, sexist and anti-semitic content (as well as any other hate speech) has dramatically increased - because people on the right believe that "free speech" means that they can make those comments WITHOUT having to fear the consequences you just mentioned.

[mapuc]

I have a twitter account-I am however silence meaning I do not post own twitter issues. Now and then I give a like(heart)mostly to twitter about animals and sometimes to twitter about the war in Ukraine.

I rarely post a comment to an another twitter issue.

Same with FB

Markus

[Rockstar]

... since Musk has taken over the amount of racist, sexist and anti-semitic content (as well as any other hate speech) has dramatically increased - because people on the right believe that "free speech" means that they can make those comments WITHOUT having to fear the consequences you just mentioned.

Big claim you're making there. Can you point to the research which details any of the specifics you just mentioned? The only source I can find that major media outlets appear to be quoting and that people are regurgitating here is from something called the Center for Countering Digital Hate. And according to them all social media sites are guilty of morally heinous hate crimes against humanity. I find it hard to argue for or against something based on hearsay.

[MaDef]

I guess that's correct, but in which way is that change relevant? Previously twitter was a civilian company that had given out stocks, so effectively it was privately owned (opposed to "owned in parts or in total by the government").

Of course Twitter was and is allowed to restrict whatever they want, it's got nothing to do with August's "beating someone up".





That's exactly my point. Now keep in mind that since Musk has taken over the amount of racist, sexist and anti-semitic content (as well as any other hate speech) has dramatically increased - because people on the right believe that "free speech" means that they can make those comments WITHOUT having to fear the consequences you just mentioned.

In this case the difference between a private co. and a publicly traded one is before, twitter was profit driven (the board of directors answered to the stockholder) ie: the main focus was increasing stock value & market share.
now, twitter is owned by a finite group of likeminded investors (you have to be invited to invest), nor do they have to file financial disclosure documents with the SEC. (could very well be Elon Musk is looking to use twitter as a tax shelter).

The way I see it, the brouhaha over free speech (who gets banned & why) on twitter is nothing more than a tempest in a teacup. Consider this, of the top 20 rated social media platforms (rated by number of users), twitter comes in at #16 w/ 346 million users. the top 3, Facebook, YouTube & WhatsApp have 2.9B, 2.5B, 2B (respectively). The real question that needs to be answered is how cozy were politicians and social media were with each other.

That's basically just a different wording for what I wrote. Yes, if this was a court and everyone around here was a lawyer I'd see your point, but this is still subsim, isn't it?
(before you drag me into fine-print legal talk please keep in mind that English is not my native language, and I already hate fine-print legal talk in German.)
Not to belabor the point, but it is not the same thing, Here in the U.S., it is the people who decide what is free speech and what is not.

For example: Expressing antisemitism in Germany can get you a jail sentence. In the U.S., it will get you ostracized but no jail unless you take it further.

It may seem the same, but there is definitely a difference.

[Dargo]

Tesla just got to a new two-year low today of $150.80 the high was $414 a 274% drop in value Elon will be forced to sell SpaceX to some government for a bailout all for playing god on Twitter. They’re all circling like sharks for that.

[Platapus]

What I find most surprising is that there are people who don't understanding that Musk is a self-serving, self-promoting, lying jerk.

[Buddahaid]

What I find most surprising is that there are people who don't understanding that Musk is a self-serving, self-promoting, lying jerk.

Oh I think they (whoever that is) understand perfectly and find those characteristics laudable.

[Ostfriese]

Tesla just got to a new two-year low today of $150.80 the high was $414 a 274% drop in value Elon will be forced to sell SpaceX to some government for a bailout all for playing god on Twitter. They’re all circling like sharks for that.


It's actually just a drop of about 63.5% ;) I agree it's still a lot of money. Tesla stock was and is insanely overpriced.



Musk, however, has by now sold so many Tesla shares at outrageously high prices that he won't have to suffer much. SpaceX will eventually ruin itself, as they really don't deliver much of anything once you look behind the curtains (they are only good at wasting resources).

[August]

What I find most surprising is that there are people who don't understanding that Musk is a self-serving, self-promoting, lying jerk.


In other words he's just human like the rest of us right? What makes him any worse than all the others in his position?

[u crank]

It appears like the previous owner may have lied to Congress.

[Dargo]

In other words he's just human like the rest of us right? What makes him any worse than all the others in his position?That Elon is not like the rest of us, he is of the class that think they can do everything he could have saved like 39.999 billion dollars if he just went to therapy instead of buying twitter. This week he attack the main thing Twitter is used for getting news there is a whole business model created by twitter for that news organizations are now considering a range of options to respond pulling coverage from Twitter, stop its advertising on the platform or dropping out of the Amplify program, in which they post videos to twitter and share in the revenue, or simply asking their staffers to stop contributing to the service. Elon thinks it is a smart idea to replace that with a kind of social credit score, like in China.

[Rockstar]

That Elon is not like the rest of us, he is of the class that think they can do everything he could have saved like 39.999 billion dollars if he just went to therapy instead of buying twitter. This week he attack the main thing Twitter is used for getting news there is a whole business model created by twitter for that news organizations are now considering a range of options to respond pulling coverage from Twitter, stop its advertising on the platform or dropping out of the Amplify program, in which they post videos to twitter and share in the revenue, or simply asking their staffers to stop contributing to the service. Elon thinks it is a smart idea to replace that with a kind of social credit score, like in China.

Social credit scores like China? Hmmm wonder what opened the door for that too happen? It’s a perfect addition to lock downs, forced vaccination of children with experimental drugs, and making 2nd opinions contrary to the party officials illegal. Just like in China. :har:

And some people think Elon is the crazy one. :har:

[Dargo]

We recognize that many of our users are active on other social media platforms. However, we will no longer allow free promotion of certain social media platforms on Twitter. Specifically, we will remove accounts created solely for the purpose of promoting other social platforms and content that contains links or usernames for the following platforms: Facebook, Instagram, Mastodon, Truth Social, Tribel, Nostr and Post. We still allow cross-posting content from any social media platform. Posting links or usernames to social media platforms not listed above are also not in violation of this policy. https://twitter.com/TwitterSupport/status/1604531261791522817

This goes against Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act (https://www.eff.org/fr/issues/cda230) the EU also states that this will mean sanctions against Twitter.

[August]

We recognize that many of our users are active on other social media platforms. However, we will no longer allow free promotion of certain social media platforms on Twitter. Specifically, we will remove accounts created solely for the purpose of promoting other social platforms and content that contains links or usernames for the following platforms: Facebook, Instagram, Mastodon, Truth Social, Tribel, Nostr and Post. We still allow cross-posting content from any social media platform. Posting links or usernames to social media platforms not listed above are also not in violation of this policy. https://twitter.com/TwitterSupport/status/1604531261791522817

This goes against Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act (https://www.eff.org/fr/issues/cda230) the EU also states that this will mean sanctions against Twitter.




Really? Europeans mandate that media companies must allow competitors to advertise on their platforms for free? Interesting.

[Ostfriese]

Eh, we are talking about users posting and using the links, that's not advertising by another company.

There are -at least- two serious problems for Twitter with this new rule:

1) It contains a clause ("We recognize that certain social media platforms provide alternative experiences to Twitter, and allow users to post content to Twitter from these platforms. In general, any type of cross-posting to our platform is not in violation of this policy, even from the prohibited sites listed above.") that basically nullifies the "rule". This basically makes Twitter decide whether things are according to the law or not - not the judicative/executive.
It's like "Welcome to my house, once you are here I will decide whether you are a guest or a burglar.", and your behaviour has little, if any, influence on the decision.

2) Removing links to other webpages (as long as no laws are violated) would make Twitter an editorial media and no longer a social media platform - which would in turn mean that Twitter becomes liable for any illegal content.

August, to give you a chance of reconsidering your previous posting: the Communication Decency Act and it's Section 230, mentioned by Dargo, are actually US laws (47 U.S.C. §230), not European laws.

[August]

August, to give you a chance of reconsidering your previous posting: the Communication Decency Act and it's Section 230, mentioned by Dargo, are actually US laws (47 U.S.C. §230), not European laws.

Well gee whiz thanks for the chance but my question stands. Point to where in either set of laws it mandates that a business has to allow competitors to advertise on their property.

[Ostfriese]

As this isn't a relevant point the question is moot. Posting a link isn't advertising.

[Buddahaid]

I think the elephant in the room is the determination of "solely for the purpose of promoting other social platforms and content". How is that measured? If the user posts pictures of a vacation once and everything else says go to XXXX it can no longer be defined as solely.

[August]

As this isn't a relevant point the question is moot. Posting a link isn't advertising.




Says you. Musk banned accounts that were specifically set up to advertise other platforms. He's not banning cross posting as you imply.

[Buddahaid]

As this isn't a relevant point the question is moot. Posting a link isn't advertising.

I agree but the policy isn't worded to include the posting of a link. It's worded to stop a user account that only directs viewers elswhere, however, that doesn't mean it can't be abused to shut down an account. If it's an attempt to stop the jet tracker user all that user needs to do is add other content.

In essence, it's the same problem that occurs trying to legeslate gun controls. The terminology always limits the scope and work arounds can be found.

[Skybird]

Faced with criticism of recent changes to Twitter, Elon Musk had polled users on whether he should step down as head of the social media site. The result: he should.

In the poll, which ended at 6:20 a.m. in New York (12:20 p.m. CET), about 57.5% of the 17.5 million voters voted yes. The billionaire, Twitter owner and Tesla CEO will abide by the vote, as he assured in a tweet on Sunday.



- source: Die Welt -

[Jimbuna]

^ I voted yes.

[Skybird]

^ I voted yes.
No twitter user myself so no vote from me, but he certainly created a royal pig's breakfast.

[Jimbuna]

He most certainly has :yep:

[Rockstar]

Can’t wait to see everyone’s reaction to Musk’s replacement. :haha:

[u crank]

I am wondering if he has had enough of trying to deal with unreasonable people who cry when they can't get their way.

Can’t wait to see everyone’s reaction to Musk’s replacement. :haha:

Some of the complainers wouldn't be happy unless they got to pick the replacement.:yep:

[Rockstar]

I’m beginning to wonder what’s in the koolaid some people are drinking.

My god, think about it for a moment, PLEASE. Patting yourself on the back voting for something with absolutely no idea of what the result will be. Thinking that human exploration and pursuing advancements in technology and energy is something the world doesn’t need. And judging how another man should raise up his own family.

[Catfish]

I’m beginning to wonder what’s in the koolaid some people are drinking.
My god, think about it for a moment, PLEASE. Patting yourself on the back voting for something with absolutely no idea of what the result will be. [...]
True for all elections :D

oh wait .. nothing changes after elections .. touché :oops:

[em2nought]

I'd love to see "The Donald" walk into twitter headquarters with Elon Musk just for laughs. :D

[u crank]

oh wait .. nothing changes after elections .. touché :oops:

That appears to be right. You had one lying nitwit in the White House replaced by another lying nitwit. And there seems to be a never ending supply of lying nitwits. :up:

[em2nought]

Just in: Elon To Stay As Twitter CEO After Counting Mail-In Votes :D

https://babylonbee.com/news/elon-to-stay-as-twitter-ceo-after-counting-mail-in-votes

[Onkel Neal]

:Kaleun_Applaud:

[Skybird]

Just in: :D

https://babylonbee.com/news/elon-to-stay-as-twitter-ceo-after-counting-mail-in-votes
Unfair! Musk wanted to find those votes and he found them, the Donald asked to find additional votes for him and nobody found them. Discrimination!

https://nypost.com/2022/12/19/elon-musk-and-jared-kushner-spotted-together-at-world-cup/

[Rockstar]

Just in: :D

https://babylonbee.com/news/elon-to-stay-as-twitter-ceo-after-counting-mail-in-votes

What about bot votes, do they count?

[Buddahaid]

What about bot votes, do they count?

Absolutely. AI minds are smarter than humans.

[August]

Gotta love the Bee. Political sarcasm at it's finest.

[Jimbuna]

:haha:

[Dargo]

Elon Musk has tweeted for the first time since more than 10 million people voted in favor of him stepping down as Twitter’s chief executive, saying that only paid Twitter Blue subscribers will be able to vote in future policy-related polls.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1604985324505030658

[Skybird]

Elon Musk has tweeted for the first time since more than 10 million people voted in favor of him stepping down as Twitter’s chief executive, saying that only paid Twitter Blue subscribers will be able to vote in future policy-related polls.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1604985324505030658




Ah, give people to drink the cocoa you dragged them through before!

[Dargo]

Ah, give people to drink the cocoa you dragged them through before!Scammer Kim dotcom gave him the idea good company this lot has

[Subnuts]

Elon Musk has tweeted for the first time since more than 10 million people voted in favor of him stepping down as Twitter’s chief executive, saying that only paid Twitter Blue subscribers will be able to vote in future policy-related polls.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1604985324505030658

Are we certain that that "6.4 earthquake" in northern California last night wasn't just a massive pair of goalposts being suddenly and violently shifted? :hmmm:

[Buddahaid]

Wrong direction then. That's a subduction zone not a subversion zone.

[Aktungbby]

I’m beginning to wonder what’s in the koolaid some people are drinking.

My god, think about it for a moment,

Ah, give people to drink the cocoa you dragged them through before!

Are we certain that that "6.4 earthquake" in northern California last night wasn't just a massive pair of goalposts being suddenly and violently shifted? :hmmm:

Wrong direction then. That's a subduction zone not a subversion zone. 'Twixt Koolaid, Cocoa, subduction and subversion...I'm becoming all a'twitter...:hmmm:

[Catfish]

Wrong direction then. That's a subduction zone not a subversion zone.
Top comment.
:haha:
P.S. @Aktungbby the subduction zone is what you should worry about :D

[em2nought]

Musk changed his mind again, now he's looking for his successor Willy Wonka style by hiding golden tickets in just five new Teslas. :D

https://babylonbee.com/news/musk-hides-six-golden-tickets-in-teslas-to-find-one-worthy-of-taking-over-twitter

[Skybird]

https://mises.org/wire/elon-musks-twitter-gambit-and-what-it-means-clique-power



But much more is at stake than reining in errant opinion or disciplining a supposedly renegade capitalist like Musk. Big Digital companies like Twitter have assumed oversight and control functions formerly accorded governments. These functions have been delegated to such corporate assets as Twitter, Facebook, Google, YouTube, and others, thus deputizing them as state agents while augmenting the power and penetration of the state. These governmental functions include shaping the political field itself.1 (https://mises.org/wire/elon-musks-twitter-gambit-and-what-it-means-clique-power#footnote1_epjyl8t)
Twitter has operated as a political-state apparatus—a propaganda, censorship, and (dis)information agent for the state, the state defined by Henry Hazlitt (https://mises.org/library/road-totalitarianism) as “the clique in power.” Allowing one of these major assets to fall into the “wrong” hands jeopardizes those functions and casts new doubt on the regime’s ability to squash dissent and control the population.

[Skybird]

https://exxpress.at/musk-kontert-eu-zensur-alle-antraege-auf-loeschung-von-posts-werden-veroeffentlicht/


Musk counters EU censorship: all requests to delete posts will be published

Twitter owner Elon Musk is backing full transparency in Brussels' planned controversial censorship measures. Musk wants to publish on Twitter all EU-wide requests to delete accounts or posts for "false news."

On the social network these days, Twitter and Tesla owner Elon Musk (51) is being praised to the skies. He has done more for freedom of expression since taking over Twitter in the fall of last year than many a politician has done during an entire political career.

The reason for the current praise for Musk is his announcement that he will publish all applications related to the EU's new censorship rules. Among other things, this may even include the deletion of posts or even accounts if they fall into the category of "disinformation" or false news," eXXpress reported.

The background: in the future, the EU wants to deploy disinformation experts worldwide to put a stop to the spread of "fake news." Brussels suspects Russia and China in particular of churning out fake news to disinform the Western public.
:Kaleun_Applaud: Good move, they will hate him for that. If you are in doubt, just remember how manipulative and mandacious the state media reported and still report about Covid.