Do you think the Old Gummers that are leading the United States ounce again into war

[Gorpet]

If in the next 6 months you want to see the sun rise in the east and set in the west. Something has to change in The United States. Not in Russia and if the world want's a fight! I say let the European Union and all the NATO members Stand tall without America. Let's see whether America threw it's money away or the American citizen got screwed and we will not get the best bang for those trillions of dollars.No more winegate or covid in the Uk.For America No more covid and Hunter Biden's laptop or Dr death Fauci and the The total collapse of the american economy. Look as far as we Americans can see you people across the ocean pushed Putin into a war. He didn't ask for much. Show your citizens the current map of NATO woke countries. only a government educated liberal will see nothing. Or a very wealthy new world order Schulb.

[Buddahaid]

Not another person calling for revolution.

No I think Putin is.

[tmccarthy]

If in the next 6 months you want to see the sun rise in the east and set in the west. Something has to change in The United States.

I do not believe them at all. I have come to believe that they exaggerated the threat of the Soviet Union during the cold war. And when the Russians admitted defeat in the cold war, extended their hand in friendship, and for the first time in their history tried democracy we gave them no time or assistance and immediately set about doing everything we could to make them into an enemy again. Russia is part of the west and should be a partner or even Allie by now in dealing with real cultural, economic, and military threats to us like those in the middle east and from China.

[tmccarthy]

Not another person calling for revolution.

No I think Putin is.

Well, my friend, it's bad. I think we are closer to nuclear war than we ever have been. Now both conservatives and liberals seem to only care about starting wars. And they seem willing to do it and get us all killed over whether or not Ukraine joins NATO? What should we do?

[em2nought]

I knew they'd find a way to never pay out social security to my generation. :D

[Gorpet]

If in the next 6 months you want to see the sun rise in the east and set in the west. Something has to change in The United States. Not in Russia and if the world want's a fight! I say let the European Union and all the NATO members Stand tall without America. Let's see whether America threw it's money away or the American citizen got screwed and we will not get the best bang for those trillions of dollars.No more winegate or covid in the Uk.For America No more covid and Hunter Biden's laptop or Dr death Fauci and the The total collapse of the american economy. Look as far as we Americans can see you people across the ocean pushed Putin into a war. He didn't ask for much. Show your citizens the current map of NATO woke countries. only a government educated liberal will see nothing. Or a very wealthy new world order Schulb.

Oh and by the way, I took my 20018 toyota corolla out to visit a friend and i must say, trying to weave in and out of all these electric cars that people in America are now buying was incredible. I was thinking to myself if i run out of gas i can call somebody to bring me 5 gallons. So what happens when their battery runs out ? And you create a traffic jam. Tow truck ? How much will that cost? But if i can can get elected as the next Mayor of this small city i live in.Who gives a rat's Butt, right I will have the best Tesla that taxpayer money can buy.

[Gorpet]

I do not believe them at all. I have come to believe that they exaggerated the threat of the Soviet Union during the cold war. And when the Russians admitted defeat in the cold war, extended their hand in friendship, and for the first time in their history tried democracy we gave them no time or assistance and immediately set about doing everything we could to make them into an enemy again. Russia is part of the west and should be a partner or even Allie by now in dealing with real cultural, economic, and military threats to us like those in the middle east and from China.

Russia has never been a military threat directly to the United States. But if our present Government keeps poking the bear. All i can say is i hope the survivors hunt down them and all their families and make sure they will never have a voice in our country again.

[Buddahaid]

Oh and by the way, I took my 20018 toyota corolla out to visit a friend and i must say, trying to weave in and out of all these electric cars that people in America are now buying was incredible. I was thinking to myself if i run out of gas i can call somebody to bring me 5 gallons. So what happens when their battery runs out ? And you create a traffic jam. Tow truck ? How much will that cost? But if i can can get elected as the next Mayor of this small city i live in.Who gives a rat's Butt, right I will have the best Tesla that taxpayer money can buy.

Portable charging service.
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1128138_sparkcharge-mobile-charging-will-get-tested-by-roadside-assistance-in-sf-and-la

[Gorpet]

Portable charging service.
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1128138_sparkcharge-mobile-charging-will-get-tested-by-roadside-assistance-in-sf-and-la

Look i get 23 miles to the gallon in town 27 to 30 on the open highway with ac what more do you want? Really and if that's not enough for you. All i can say is get your government paid for Rickshaw out of my way.

[Buddahaid]

My government is the same as yours so I have no idea where you think I live.

Also, I don't own an electric car but my next one could very well be. The one I do own gets 37 MPG with AC on all the time and in sport mode as well. I simply don't understand why someone like you is so against reducing the use of burning fossil fuels. Oil is a strategic resource and conserving it improves national security.

[Gorpet]

Portable charging service.
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1128138_sparkcharge-mobile-charging-will-get-tested-by-roadside-assistance-in-sf-and-la

Roadside assistance yes i am now hearing that if you have a dream of owning your own business . Even though i don't know a damn thing about this and i don't have any start money. The Democrats are going to force investment companies to back for their new credit rating into startup business, you know like when they told banks to give loans to people for new homes they couldn't afford. So i am learning to be as bilingual.also i'm going to do a name change and i can start my own business with the money of the rich that has money to invest in a gamble. To fulfill my dream Nancy Pelosi said all i need is a dream to start a business.

[Gorpet]

My government is the same as yours so I have no idea where you think I live.

Also, I don't own an electric car but my next one could very well be. The one I do own gets 37 MPG with AC on all the time and in sport mode as well. I simply don't understand why someone like you is so against reducing the use of burning fossil fuels. Oil is a strategic resource and conserving it improves national security.

That is easy to answer, Look dog i was born and have lived in this country for over 65 yrs. Eisenhower was president when i was born.That would mean i have lived through a few presidents and their administrations.And i will tell you i by luck have been able to live in my youth a free and wonderful life in this country you will never get to experience. And what i mean by luck is a lot of hard work as an individual a drive to be the best and being around the same kind of people. That is my America

[Gorpet]

I knew they'd find a way to never pay out social security to my generation. :D

My friend,America is broke they have to start another war. Only this time it will not be with people with sandals and pillowcases wrapped around their heads. These old power ass hats in washington will burn the world.

[Commander Wallace]

I do not believe them at all. I have come to believe that they exaggerated the threat of the Soviet Union during the cold war. And when the Russians admitted defeat in the cold war, extended their hand in friendship, and for the first time in their history tried democracy we gave them no time or assistance and immediately set about doing everything we could to make them into an enemy again. Russia is part of the west and should be a partner or even Allie by now in dealing with real cultural, economic, and military threats to us like those in the middle east and from China.

That's not particularly true. We did give Russia assistance. We provided funding and technical assistance. We helped Russia develop their natural resources as well. The U.S and other countries made capital investments in Russia. I believe much of that capital was stolen. Admittedly, I don't think we did enough. I don't believe we should have expanded NATO east ward either. However, have you noticed that the people in the various ministries within Russia all have hundreds of millions of dollars socked away in banks accounts in Switzerland and other places.

There is no way these people made that kind on money from their jobs and positions. What Putin and others around him have done is steal the revenue from oil exports and others and use an eye dropper to distribute funds to build and maintain an infrastructure there in Russia.

People there are poor and kept that way so, it isn't very much different from the old Soviet Union. The people in Russia, like everywhere else in the world, yearn for a little bit of comfort, security and happiness. I think they deserve it as well.

[les green01]

the America i was born in isn't no more i out live my time back when you didn't have to lock your doors or windows kids was caught respect and right from wrong generaly with a belt or switch trip to the woodshed somehow i spent a lot of time in the woodshed or getting the paddle at school,how i was raise your country call you go,work hard no free handouts,you give your word that your bond your country gives its word that the country bond and we gave our word to nato we are honor bound to keep it whatever happens happens cars or trucks i don't buy nothing newer than a 1980

[Buddahaid]

My friend,America is broke they have to start another war. Only this time it will not be with people with sandals and pillowcases wrapped around their heads. These old power ass hats in washington will burn the world.

Putin started the war in Ukraine. I suppose the US started both WW1 and WW2 in your opinion as well?

[tmccarthy]

Russia has never been a military threat directly to the United States. But if our present Government keeps poking the bear. All i can say is i hope the survivors hunt down them and all their families and make sure they will never have a voice in our country again.

Yes, and our involvement in this brings with it a tremendous risk of nuclear war and ending the world. So we have to ask what good does that do for anyone and how important is this cause?

It doesn't matter what we think, Russia is fighting to defend itself from what it sees as aggression by the NATO military alliance. If we think there's a good outcome worth pursuing in this and that they are ever going to back down we are in serious trouble. Popular support in Russia for this war is still very high.

[Otto Harkaman]

Welcome to the fragility of the universe

[tmccarthy]

Putin started the war in Ukraine. I suppose the US started both WW1 and WW2 in your opinion as well?

Hi, first of I want to say that whatever the results are from these arguments or debates are that I really believe you and I are on the same side and that I think all of us here are on the same side. My goal is to see that and the danger we are all in and why. Also, my beliefs regarding this issue have stayed the same but a large amount of the information I now have I've just found in the last few weeks looking into the origins of this conflict and how we got here. I used to follow the news and international politics but haven't been recently so I have been doing a lot of catching up since the war started. So please don't think of me as someone who thinks they are some kind of expert or know it, some of these things I've just learned days ago and I'm learning new things every day. And in a lot of ways wish that I was wrong. Right now I just have a lot of sadness about what's happening in the world and what has happened to my country.

So to answer your question I will agree Putin started the war, however, I believe America caused the war. And that story starts back after the end of the cold war in the '90s when America promised the Russians that NATO would not expand east of a reunified Germany.

I don't think America started the World Wars. I do believe that America's involvement in the war in Ukraine is more similar to Vietnam and the 2003 Iraq war which involved misrepresentations and lies.This explanation by Senator Bill Bradley from 2008 is one of the earliest things I found and still one of the best I've seen that helped me understand what is really going on today. What he calls "a monumental blunder by the US."

-Tim

https://youtu.be/K-alxZvUCS8

[tmccarthy]

Welcome to the fragility of the universe

Yeah, about a week ago it became clear to me for the first time how our faults are going to lead to our inevitable destruction, and humanity is doomed. I was about to give up again but then saw how much Hillary Clinton is involved in this war against Putin, that I said "I'm not going to go down like that without a fight!":har:

[Gorpet]

That's not particularly true. We did give Russia assistance. We provided funding and technical assistance. We helped Russia develop their natural resources as well. The U.S and other countries made capital investments in Russia. I believe much of that capital was stolen. Admittedly, I don't think we did enough. I don't believe we should have expanded NATO east ward either. However, have you noticed that the people in the various ministries within Russia all have hundreds of millions of dollars socked away in banks accounts in Switzerland and other places.

There is no way these people made that kind on money from their jobs and positions. What Putin and others around him have done is steal the revenue from oil exports and others and use an eye dropper to distribute funds to build and maintain an infrastructure there in Russia.

People there are poor and kept that way so, it isn't very much different from the old Soviet Union. The people in Russia, like everywhere else in the world, yearn for a little bit of comfort, security and happiness. I think they deserve it as well.

Just like America right, how much comfort, security and happiness do we really have here in the land of milk and honey.? I don't know where you live but every morning down Florida. What leads the news Who got shot killed overnight.We have people who get up in the morning and go to work for ten or 12 hrs a day come home take care of their families and do it all over again.And then we have a culture of people who only come out after dark. And these people create the news i wake up to in the morning.

[Gorpet]

Putin started the war in Ukraine. I suppose the US started both WW1 and WW2 in your opinion as well?

No you silly goofball. The US didn't start those wars. Back then we let all combatants bleed themselves and this Encompassed both wars.Only then did America show up. Now in the present well we just have to get right in there even after we hightailed it out of our 20 year adventure in the middle east sorry we didn't let you know But Corn Pop appeared in a dream in our leaders head and it was time to go. We the Americans are going to get you Europeans into a Nuclear War don't worry it will be battlefield nukes maybe. Poland has again been chosen to be the spearhead of democracy and i'm sure the 23 year olds 1999 when they were accepted into NATO are ready to rush across that border with the American 82nd . cause you know all the media says Russia who has more nukes than the United States is just a varsity team that is losing. Right

[Gorpet]

My government is the same as yours so I have no idea where you think I live.

Also, I don't own an electric car but my next one could very well be. The one I do own gets 37 MPG with AC on all the time and in sport mode as well. I simply don't understand why someone like you is so against reducing the use of burning fossil fuels. Oil is a strategic resource and conserving it improves national security.

How in the hell does conserving our oil improve our national security ? Last year some bad actors with a laptop shut down pipelines that pumped up thru the northeast .where you on spring break in florida? and now joey and the democrats have had to release millions of barrels of our strategic stock that will only last 3 days.If you are getting 37 MPG with AC on all the time and in sport mode. I would say your young or crazy. Hamburger 1 lb cost as much as a gallon of gas. Now i know you will come back and tell me your VEGAN. Ever hear of Euell Gibbons? All the tree bark grub stuff he ate only got him to 64 yrs. ya wanna know why. He didn't really want to go out in the wild's and neither did his camera crew so what he was eating local had been sprayed with pesticides. But hey Vegans are Vegans and he was a Vegan before Vegans were cool.Now me, i'll take Beef ribs Pork ribs, Deer meat and some Catfish throw in some collard greens a baked potato and a homemade biscuit.I won't leave my recliner Good night i just made myself hungary

[Skybird]

Biden as well Macron, Johnson, Scholz all said the same over and over again. No no fly zone. No troops. No ground war against Russia. No intervention.
These statements stand. This topic is needless as long as this does not change.

[Jimbuna]

Biden as well Macron, Johnson, Scholz all said the same over and over again. No no fly zone. No troops. No ground war against Russia. No intervention.
These statements stand. This topic is needless as long as this does not change.

Rgr that :yep:

[Buddahaid]

How in the hell does conserving our oil improve our national security ? Last year some bad actors with a laptop shut down pipelines that pumped up thru the northeast .where you on spring break in florida? and now joey and the democrats have had to release millions of barrels of our strategic stock that will only last 3 days.If you are getting 37 MPG with AC on all the time and in sport mode. I would say your young or crazy. Hamburger 1 lb cost as much as a gallon of gas. Now i know you will come back and tell me your VEGAN. Ever hear of Euell Gibbons? All the tree bark grub stuff he ate only got him to 64 yrs. ya wanna know why. He didn't really want to go out in the wild's and neither did his camera crew so what he was eating local had been sprayed with pesticides. But hey Vegans are Vegans and he was a Vegan before Vegans were cool.Now me, i'll take Beef ribs Pork ribs, Deer meat and some Catfish throw in some collard greens a baked potato and a homemade biscuit.I won't leave my recliner Good night i just made myself hungary

This three months from full retirement youngster is beginning to think you are not real.

[les green01]

grabs a case of beer pops my feet up this going get good

[Platapus]

Sounds like a US Politics thread to me.

[tmccarthy]

grabs a case of beer pops my feet up this going get good

:Kaleun_Cheers:

:har:

[Sean C]

the America i was born in isn't no more i out live my time back when you didn't have to lock your doors or windows kids was caught respect and right from wrong generaly with a belt or switch trip to the woodshed somehow i spent a lot of time in the woodshed or getting the paddle at school,how i was raise your country call you go,work hard no free handouts,you give your word that your bond your country gives its word that the country bond

Amen, brother. :yep:

[tmccarthy]

https://youtu.be/o-2YXO2ryTA

https://youtu.be/fIoRKLdwxXA

[tmccarthy]

https://youtu.be/7ZnIUSvPtdo

[Gorpet]

This three months from full retirement youngster is beginning to think you are not real.

I'm not real, I retired October of 2019 Joe Biden and the Democrats take power and in a little over a year were involved into another European war and here on the home front we still have chaos and are being told prices for everything will go up expect it to get worse. This country's Politicians have took the American people into many wars over the years. And this country has never experienced the failure and lack of Leadership that we see with our own eyes across this country. The Politicians we have elected have become to old and inept or they themselves think they have enough power to take over the government of the United States and if that is true. Your retirement will just like mine ' you will be pissed that you worked all those years to have a bunch of old elite Politicians that have become millionaires on their government paycheck sweep your Dreams away while they can't be touched. Now Buddahaid if you have a few million know that your not part of their country club. Yes they are going to fundamentally change America and it's going to take your Retirement money to do this. The Politicians have promised the youth of this country a new beginning where we are a Tribe and all are equal and it's good and they will save the Planet, While their wars keep going on only this time these old funcks in Washington might lose their gambit. The People of the United States already have.

[Reece]

Hi old fart!! :up:

[Gorpet]

Hi old fart!! :up:

Yep, :up: