Will Spotify Dump Rogan?

[Armistead]

I don't think so, but Rogan responds. https://www.dailywire.com/news/joe-rogan-responds-to-controversy-with-spotify-proposes-new-way-forward-for-his-show?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=benshapiro&fbclid=IwAR3WkvquD3J50DRmVkXfSYCrX2iD2B9y2xXOGz-cODvKVGFqDr1MwQ9sq8k

[u crank]

Not a chance.

[Jimbuna]

Can't see it happening myself.

[Catfish]

I know nothing about this 'Rogan' cult and frankly, i do not care.
I know a bit about Neil Young though.

[mapuc]

As a person who love free speech I do not like when some are restricted in what they are allowed to say.

Let them speak freely - Let it be up to the listerne to believe or reject what has been said to the audience.

Markus

[Arlo]

As a person who love free speech I do not like when some are restricted in what they are allowed to say.

Let them speak freely - Let it be up to the listerne to believe or reject what has been said to the audience.

Markus

There are practical limitations to 'free speech' in a society that looks out for the well-being of its populace. Undermining medical expertise during a pandemic is a behavior that that undermines a culture of safety and wrongly (maybe even criminally) so.

[mapuc]

There are practical limitations to 'free speech' in a society that looks out for the well-being of its populace. Undermining medical expertise during a pandemic is a behavior that that undermines a culture of safety and wrongly (maybe even criminally) so.

When I mean free speech I do not mean free to call another person ugly thing.
Then I personally don't like a comment or similar with ugly words.

I've meet people who reject certain historical things-It's their right to have this opinion. I on the other hand can NOT support this standpoint.
(Well they could not be my friends either)

Markus

[Catfish]

^ Ok so "the Holocaust was a lie and propaganda, just to paint Hitler in an unfavourable light".
Just an opinion, you know? Why not spread it everywhere to get more Google clicks, it is my right.
What if some idiot tells that, what if a president tells that. Both have their opinions.

[Arlo]

When I mean free speech I do not mean free to call another person ugly thing.


Methinks you misunderstand what 'undermine' means.

[mapuc]

^ Ok so "the Holocaust was a lie and propaganda, just to paint Hitler in an unfavourable light".
Just an opinion, you know? Why not spread it everywhere to get more Google clicks, it is my right.
What if some idiot tells that, what if a president tells that. Both have their opinions.


I also wrote
"I on the other hand can NOT support this standpoint.
(Well they could not be my friends either)"

I support their right to speak freely, but I may not support the content of this speech. AND I do NOT support such an opinion as mentioned by the example you posted.

Markus

[mapuc]

Methinks you misunderstand what 'undermine' means.


I know what you mean and I forgot to write about it in my last answer to you.

An example.
Some people says in the show that the vaccine contain nano-cells so (forgot his name)can track you.

This may undermine the hard work the health authorities are doing to get people vaccinated against Corona.

Markus

[Catfish]

^ So like "I do not share Hitler's point of view, but he has every right to say what he wants. Let him go on."

[u crank]

I know nothing about this 'Rogan' cult and frankly, i do not care.
I know a bit about Neil Young though.

If you don't know anything about Joe Rogan why would you refer to it as a cult?

I use to be a big Neil Young fan and proud that he is a Canadian. Not any more. His childish behavior here is as illiberal as it gets. Don't like other peoples opinions ... get them deplatformed. What a jerk.

[Arlo]

If you don't know anything about Joe Rogan why would you refer to it as a cult?

I use to be a big Neil Young fan and proud that he is a Canadian. Not any more. His childish behavior here is as illiberal as it gets. Don't like other peoples opinions ... get them deplatformed. What a jerk.

Some people's 'opinions' get other people dead but they don't care. That's a much worse flavor of childish. Responsibility. Some people can't do it.

[Catfish]

@ucrank as you might know Neil has protested against some music company before.
Just his opinion, he continues his life-long political action he is known for. I would not even call it political, it is right or wrong for him. He was and is not always right, but more believable than a lot of others.
He just says he does not want to support a company that does deals with Rogan, so he's out of Spotify, that's it.

re Rogan, i still have no idea, but browsing a bit i think he's engaged in the sublime art of self portrayal with his show. Since he was seen with some anti vaxxers the right instinctively loves him.

[mapuc]

A thought

His show:
How many in percentage has change their standpoint when it comes to Corona and how many has changed from deciding to get the vaccine to not getting it ?

Let me give you an example which has nothing to do with Corona.

A couples of year back it was decided that our busses should be free to use-They hoped that people who drove to work would take the buss instead.

A year after they could conclude that...The number of passangers in the morning and afternoon was still the same-no different. Those who drove to work still did it.

So lets get back to discuss Rogan and Corona.
With this free buss in mind, I think that those who reject the vaccine or think Corona is a lie a.s.o, will be the same in numbers, no changes here even if Rogan show was shut down-

People who taken the vaccine or planning on taking it and know Corona is real will not change their mind not even after having listen to this Rogan show.

(Hope you understand what I wrote-It's not grammar correct)

Markus

[u crank]

Some people's 'opinions' get other people dead but they don't care. That's a much worse flavor of childish. Responsibility. Some people can't do it.

Correct me if I wrong but I am pretty sure that in a free society like America it is the individual who is responsible for their own health and well being. The very idea that someone's opinion on any subject can change that is ludicrous.

Let's face it we know what this is about. And it is not about medical opinions right or wrong. It's about politics and the fact that the Left can't control a guy like Rogan. It keeps them awake at night.

[u crank]

He just says he does not want to support a company that does deals with Rogan, so he's out of Spotify, that's it.

Well that is not quite the story. Young demanded that Spotify make a choice between him and Rogan. And that is why I say that it is very illiberal of Young to take that opinion. Why can't they both exist on the same platform. That is the very essence of free speech. I'm very disappointed and never thought he would do such a thing.

[Buddahaid]

Well that is not quite the story. Young demanded that Spotify make a choice between him and Rogan. And that is why I say that it is very illiberal of Young to take that opinion. Why can't they both exist on the same platform. That is the very essence of free speech. I'm very disappointed and never thought he would do such a thing.

Neil Young is exercising his free speech right no matter how anyone else feels about it. He said choose me, or him.

[u crank]

Neil Young is exercising his free speech right no matter how anyone else feels about it. He said choose me, or him.

That is one way of spinning it. Another spin is that he attempted to use a corporation to limit the free speech of someone else. And obviously Spotify wasn't going to do that. Good for them.

[Buddahaid]

That is one way of spinning it. Another spin is that he attempted to use a corporation to limit the free speech of someone else. And obviously Spotify wasn't going to do that. Good for them.

I agree. It was his choice, his free speech, and his consequences.

[em2nought]

^ Ok so [I]"the Holocaust was a lie

Is that you Whoopi? :har:

[Rockstar]

I liken it too getting ready for debate club. Just before anything is said, make an accusation and demand the audience choose between you or your opponent. Afterwards everyone gauges their next career move based on how many likes they get from the audience who bothered to hear the actual conversation

Let freedom ring! :haha:

[Buddahaid]

I liken it too getting ready for debate club. Then before anything is said make an accusation and demand the audience choose between you or your opponent. Afterwards everyone gauges their next career move based on how many likes you get who bothered to hear the actual conversation

Let freedom ring! :haha:

Ah, but isn't that sort of what Trump did even before the election results were in?

[Rockstar]

Ah, but isn't that sort of what Trump did even before the election results were in?

I don’t know, was it?

[mapuc]

I fear they will succumb to the pressure and close his show.

NO I did not until now know that he had this show on Spotify AND I'm not interested in listerning to it either.

Markus

[Buddahaid]

I think the information age has reached those awkward teenage years with social problems it can't ignore any longer and is contemplating running away......

[Sean C]

As a person who love free speech I do not like when some are restricted in what they are allowed to say.

Let them speak freely - Let it be up to the listerne to believe or reject what has been said to the audience.

Markus

I agree 100%. I was reading an article earlier which bemoaned Spotify's decision, saying something to the effect of potential damage caused by misinformation. I get that ... really, I do. But when faced with the alternative: potentially setting a precedent which could damage our right to free speech, I think Spotify's choice was the correct one.

Having written that, I also feel that a privately owned company should be allowed to make its own choices without outside interference when it comes to how they run their business. (Illegal activity excluded, of course.) Let's be real: we're talking about a music service, not global political policy.

It saddens me to see here in these forums the now common practice of taking everything to extremes. I mean ... comparing someone's skepticism of the 'official' narrative concerning this virus to holocaust deniers? REALLY?! Apparently Godwin's Law must be a fact.

OTOH, I am heartened to see an equal amount of posts from a different point of view. I especially like the comments from u crank and Buddahaid concerning coexistence and Neil's own right to free speech.

Cheers, friends!

[Arlo]

With all the caterwauling about free speech from some, I thought I'd add:

https://i.imgur.com/ANzejih.jpg

https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/timesnews.net/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/9/81/9819baa8-809f-11ec-a9fc-7fe3fbfc8e20/61f492ec2a3a7.image.jpg?resize=1200%2C1615

[Buddahaid]

The rise of adolescent banned book clubs proving the banning simply highlights interest in a free society.

[Arlo]

The rise of adolescent banned book clubs proving the banning simply highlights interest in a free society.

The concept of banned books in a 'free society' is interesting in itself.

[Catfish]

[...] I was reading an article earlier which bemoaned Spotify's decision, saying something to the effect of potential damage caused by misinformation. I get that ... really, I do. But when faced with the alternative: potentially setting a precedent which could damage our right to free speech, I think Spotify's choice was the correct one. [...]
I guess Spotify's decision was based on with whom they make more money, but it was their free private company decision, as it was Young's. Has an artist the right not to let his works be published by someone he does not like?
B.t.w. https://open.spotify.com/search/Neil%20Young :haha:
It saddens me to see here in these forums the now common practice of taking everything to extremes. I mean ... comparing someone's skepticism of the 'official' narrative concerning this virus to holocaust deniers? REALLY?! Apparently Godwin's Law must be a fact. But this is exactly the thing, those extremes, not only since 2016. Rockstar calls people who are pro-mandate (when it comes to vaccines) "mandate nazis". I guess the real Nazis would be a bit underwhelmed to see this being compared.
I personally think that comparing a temporary(!) law to get rid of a plague as somehow rational, while comparing this to wear a yellow star patch (as Taylor Greene does) is idiotic.

But seriously: do you stop tolerating others expressing their opinion when this harms others, or do you never do this because 'free speech'? Do you take action? What if someone calls for harming others because of 'his opinion', if he has an influential media presence? Thus my intentional exagerration with dictators expressing their opinion, before they become dictators.
Rogan has the media presence of a statesman, should he show some responsibility or does the number of clicks justify anything? Can we imply that everyone has enough common sense?


But one thing is true: People have their opinions before they watch shows and reports, they choose their information sources based on their filter bubble, and no accidentally seen other opinion piece or even scientific proof will ever change their mind.

[u crank]

But one thing is true: People have their opinions before they watch shows and reports, they choose their information sources based on their filter bubble, and no accidentally seen other opinion piece or even scientific proof will ever change their mind.

Exactly. That is true and played out every day.:up:

[Catfish]

re Rogan and about his claims, BBC reality check:
https://www.bbc.com/news/60199614

I remember seeing this video some years ago because of a primate research meeting in Goettingen, i did not remember this had been this Rogan though
edit changed the link, new one:
https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/or1phd/joe_rogan_goes_nuts_when_a_scientist_tells_him/

"After spending roughly five minutes going off about a now-debunked pseudoscientific theory of the “Bondo ape (https://www.nbcnews.com/dateline/search-mystery-apes-bili-forest-n568751)” — a purported Congolese super-ape that supposedly could walk upright like a human and was hyper-aggressive — Rogan took a call from a Floridian primatologist who identified herself only as “Allison.”
She countered that “there’s no such thing as a Bondo ape” — but before she could even finish her sentence, the host was jumping down her throat, calling her a “****ing idiot” and telling the PhD scientist that she should go “online” and look it up."

As far as i know there is no "Bondo ape". Though some may look like it on the 'net :03:

[Rockstar]

I guess Spotify's decision was based on with whom they make more money, but it was their free private company decision, as it was Young's. Has an artist the right not to let his works be published by someone he does not like?
B.t.w. https://open.spotify.com/search/Neil%20Young :haha:
But this is exactly the thing, those extremes, not only since 2016. Rockstar calls people who are pro-mandate (when it comes to vaccines) "mandate nazis". I guess the real Nazis would be a bit underwhelmed to see this being compared.
I personally think that comparing a temporary(!) law to get rid of a plague as somehow rational, while comparing this to wear a yellow star patch (as Taylor Greene does) is idiotic.

But seriously: do you stop tolerating others expressing their opinion when this harms others, or do you never do this because 'free speech'? Do you take action? What if someone calls for harming others because of 'his opinion', if he has an influential media presence? Thus my intentional exagerration with dictators expressing their opinion, before they become dictators.
Rogan has the media presence of a statesman, should he show some responsibility or does the number of clicks justify anything? Can we imply that everyone has enough common sense?


But one thing is true: People have their opinions before they watch shows and reports, they choose their information sources based on their filter bubble, and no accidentally seen other opinion piece or even scientific proof will ever change their mind.


Extreme like making people submit to unwanted medical procedure? I don’t think I’m extreme. I know you are. I got vaxxed, I recommend you do get vaxxed. What I do not agree with are mandate Nazis carrying out experiments on people who don’t want too be injected with something they know nothing about. Worse yet were the loudest of all the mandate Nazis, hypocrites, and political class not abiding in their own rules.

You have been wrong and are still wrong in every way imaginable if you STILL believe that vaccine could eradicate that virus, prevent you from catching it or prevent you from spreading it. Wake up it’s not like the plague, it’s not a seat belt, it’s not like the measles and it’s not like polio, It’s over, the virus, the pandemic, the fear and panic was all for nought it has all mutated into a big nothing burger. And not one of the mandate Nazis had anything to do with it.

[Platapus]

But one thing is true: People have their opinions before they watch shows and reports, they choose their information sources based on their filter bubble, and no accidentally seen other opinion piece or even scientific proof will ever change their mind.




I once read an excellent article on Confirmation Bias. It was well thought out, but it did not tell me anything I did not already know.

[Catfish]

[...]
You have been wrong and are still wrong in every way imaginable if you STILL believe that vaccine could eradicate that virus, prevent you from catching it or prevent you from spreading it.
Where did i say this?
I said it can probably be subdued like other viruses before, but never eradicated.
You can still be infected after being vaccinated, but the risk of heavy complications and dying of Covid are less, statistically. There is always this one case being (ab)used and disproportionally blown up to deny the (major) rest.
You can still spread it, with or without vaccination. I take it that the time of being infectious may be a bit shorter if you overcome it faster.

I once read an excellent article on Confirmation Bias. It was well thought out, but it did not tell me anything I did not already know.
:rotfl2:

[August]

:yep:


The Real Reason They Want to Cancel Joe Rogan

By Alexandra DeSanctis (https://www.nationalreview.com/author/alexandra-desanctis/)
January 31, 2022 11:51 AM


Progressives hate free speech because they want to control what you think.


Last week, musician Neil Young issued an ultimatum: Spotify could either remove Joe Rogan’s immensely popular podcast or it could remove Young’s catalogue of music. “They can have Rogan or Young. Not both,” Young explained. The musician’s complaint came in response to what he deemed Covid-19 “misinformation” on The Joe Rogan Experience podcast, including the host’s skeptical comments about the vaccines. After giving it some thought, Spotify took down Young’s music, explaining that the supposedly objectionable content on Rogan’s podcast did not meet the threshold for removal.


Young’s lonely lament might not have succeeded in silencing Rogan, but he did manage to win himself more attention than he’s had in decades. (I can say in all sincerity that I can’t remember having heard of him until this incident.) A staff writer at the Atlantic proclaimed, “In choosing Joe Rogan over Neil Young, [Spotify] has made its new priorities clear to listeners.” Spoiler alert: The new priorities are Very Bad. A CNN op-ed, meanwhile, hailed the singer for taking “a stand against Covid-19 vaccine misinformation,” saying he had “put his finger on America’s big divide.” Young also got a bit of support from fellow C-list celebrities Joni Mitchell and Brené Brown, who joined him in Spotify self-exile.
Their virtue-signaling departures from the streaming platform were more than a little amusing. Only a truly enormous ego could conceive of the idea to withhold one’s work and effectively silence oneself until the nation’s most popular podcast host is de-platformed. But, more concerning, the incident has demonstrated the Left’s insidious view of speech.


To be sure, Joe Rogan has no absolute right to share his thoughts in a podcast on Spotify or anywhere else — though it would be silly and spineless for the platform to silence him over “misinformation.” The worst thing about left-wing demands for his removal isn’t what it would do to him; it’s what it says about how the people demanding his cancellation view his listeners.


Calls for silencing someone’s “dangerous” speech are far less about the speaker than they are about those who hear him. The impulse to cancel Rogan on the basis that he makes people feel unsafe stems from the insulting premise that his listeners are too foolish to think for themselves and must uncritically adopt whatever beliefs the podcast host tells them to. The people pushing to cancel Rogan are operating from the premise that most Americans are stupid sheep, dimwitted blank canvases onto which the intelligentsia — be it Rogan or Anthony Fauci — can project their own opinions. And the purveyors of cancel culture want their opinions to be the ones proclaimed as absolute truth.
The impulse to shut down Rogan isn’t ultimately about making him go away; it’s about controlling what his listeners believe and what they do as a result. It seems not to occur to Neil Young and his admirers that half of Rogan’s listeners might well be tuning in because they want to mock him, or because he’s entertaining, or because they want to understand how their opponents think. The assumption appears to be that every Rogan listener will necessarily adopt his every opinion and adapt their behavior accordingly, even if it means marching to their untimely death.
Thanks to this insultingly low opinion of the average American, leftists want to silence Rogan not because his views are unquestionably wrong or objectively dangerous but because they want their ideas to reign supreme, and the easiest way to do that is to silence competing claims. If the stupid masses have access to the heterodox ideas available on Rogan’s podcast, public-health officials and Covid-crazy pundits will have less power over his listeners’ beliefs and less influence over their behavior. That’s what progressives can’t stand about free speech: They want to control what Rogan can say because they want to control what we think.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/01/the-real-reason-they-want-to-cancel-joe-rogan/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=article&utm_campaign=river&utm_content=top-bar-latest&utm_term=second

[Catfish]

https://i.imgur.com/LQVuO4vl.jpg

[Arlo]

:yep:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/01/the-real-reason-they-want-to-cancel-joe-rogan/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=article&utm_campaign=river&utm_content=top-bar-latest&utm_term=second

Well, look at that. An underwhelming NR right-wing puddle. :shucks:

[August]

https://i.imgur.com/LQVuO4vl.jpg


Government Doctors.

[Arlo]

Government Doctors.

Vast majority of doctors, actually. Push your perception bubble a little.

[Rockstar]

Where did i say this?
I said it can probably be subdued like other viruses before, but never eradicated.
You can still be infected after being vaccinated, but the risk of heavy complications and dying of Covid are less, statistically. There is always this one case being (ab)used and disproportionally blown up to deny the (major) rest.
You can still spread it, with or without vaccination. I take it that the time of being infectious may be a bit shorter if you overcome it faster.


:rotfl2:

From reasoning people be mandated by associating a threat like the Sars-cov2 virus with the plague or a cars seat belt, or proclaiming it can be eradicated or even subdued, prevent infection, accusing the unvaxxed of not caring, soulless animals desire to deny healthcare has all been brought up before and you know it. Not one responsible or scientific fact to any of those arguments. All of it IMO stems from frightened children afraid of life and old men afraid of death banding together in what a I think any reasonable person would call an attempt at mob rule.

And yes there may be a benefit to being vaccinated. Which after having reviewed the possibilities I went ahead with it. But also in the release form printed in black and white was stated a potential for very serious short and long term side effects as well. I even had to sign a document acknowledging those FACTS. But just because I did doesn’t mean you nor I should demand anyone else to involuntarily submit to it.

[Catfish]

Not one scientific fact eh? Why ask or believe doctors when you have the internet and folks like Jo Rogan to inform yourself.

B.t.w it was not me comparing it with seat belts, i did not say it can be completly eradicated, and i do not remember soulless animals. You know it all exactly of course, and the rest of the world is unfortunately too dumb.
B.t.w. thanks for once more wrongly misquoting me with the smiley at that place to 'prove' your point.

[mapuc]

Not one scientific fact eh? Why ask or believe doctors when you have the internet and folks like Jo Rogan to inform yourself.

B.t.w it was not me comparing it with seat belts, i did not say it can be completly eradicated, and i do not remember soulless animals. You know it all exactly of course, and the rest of the world is unfortunately too dumb.
B.t.w. thanks for once more wrongly misquoting me with the smiley at that place to 'prove' your point.


One thing is what he says another thing is to believe what he has said.

As mentioned before I know who he is-but I do not believe what he says.

Markus

[u crank]

One thing is what he says another thing is to believe what he has said.

As mentioned before I know who he is-but I do not believe what he says.

And that is the thing here Markus. We are not required to believe anything that anyone says.

[mapuc]

And that is the thing here Markus. We are not required to believe anything that anyone says.


And I do not have the right to tell you what you may say or believe.

Markus

[u crank]

And I do not have the right to tell you what you may say or believe.

Markus

:up:

[Buddahaid]

The 1st amendment doesn't guarantee you the right to be heard, only that Congress shall pass no law restricting your speaking. Other citizens can shout you down and otherwise try to prevent your speech being heard.

[Arlo]

The 1st amendment doesn't guarantee you the right to be heard, only that Congress shall pass no law restricting your speaking. Other citizens can shout you down and otherwise try to prevent your speech being heard.

Not all speech is constitutionally protected (as illustrated by the age old example of yelling fire in a crowded movie theater).

[Sean C]

I guess Spotify's decision was based on with whom they make more money, but it was their free private company decision, as it was Young's. Has an artist the right not to let his works be published by someone he does not like?

Yes, I do think an artist should have absolute control over their work, where and when it is publicly exhibited and by whom. (As a former amateur musician, this is a topic near and dear to me.) Unfortunately for some artists, they relinquished that control when they signed the record company contract or sold their rights to the highest bidder. But no one forced them to do that.

But this is exactly the thing, those extremes, not only since 2016. Rockstar calls people who are pro-mandate (when it comes to vaccines) "mandate nazis". I guess the real Nazis would be a bit underwhelmed to see this being compared.
I personally think that comparing a temporary(!) law to get rid of a plague as somehow rational, while comparing this to wear a yellow star patch (as Taylor Greene does) is idiotic.

I agree ... mostly. The only part I disagree with is the rationality of the need for a law [or mandate, etc.] in this particular case.

But seriously: do you stop tolerating others expressing their opinion when this harms others, or do you never do this because 'free speech'? Do you take action? What if someone calls for harming others because of 'his opinion', if he has an influential media presence? Thus my intentional exagerration with dictators expressing their opinion, before they become dictators.
Rogan has the media presence of a statesman, should he show some responsibility or does the number of clicks justify anything?

I agree with the current accepted interpretation of "free speech": as long as it is not a direct threat or inciting others to do harm, anything is fair game. As much as I'd personally like to silence "flat-earthers", etc. - I think the right to express one's opinion, no matter how stupid others may perceive it to be, is paramount.

Can we imply that everyone has enough common sense?

Although my experience tells me no, I do not grant myself the authority to decide for others what they can or cannot intelligibly process.

But one thing is true: People have their opinions before they watch shows and reports, they choose their information sources based on their filter bubble, and no accidentally seen other opinion piece or even scientific proof will ever change their mind.

I can't argue with that.

[u crank]

The Dangerous Appeal of Neil Young’s Righteous Censorship

The good news about Young’s move to marginalize Rogan is that it won’t work. That’s magical thinking. Even in our times, when tolerance for speech that’s considered misinformation or offensive is reaching a new dipping point, censorious blow-ups like Young’s accomplish little.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/01/31/dangerous-appeal-neil-young-censorship-00003923

By trying to mute Rogan, Young and his ilk seem to be saying that some ideas — even the stupid ones about vaccines and Covid that Rogan has endorsed — are so powerful that they will displace “good” public health ideas and that Rogan is guilty of inspiring Covid deaths. This, of course, is preposterous. About 85 percent of adult Americans have taken at least one dose of the vaccine, since it became available just a year ago.

The standard human appetite for convenient, reductionist theories tends to soar during times of crisis as people seek easy explanations for the hard problems. Why anybody at this late date would still reject the vaccine is beyond me, but vaccine resistance would persist even if Rogan vanished. How much of the blame can be assigned to Rogan is unknowable, but given that the average age of his largely white and male audience is 24, and younger people tend to resist the ravages of Covid, it can’t be that significant. How many people base their health priorities entirely on a podcast that occasionally discusses Covid?

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ifp0VzSMeAs

[Buddahaid]

I lost my coffee with the Tucker Carlson having a confusion enema look. Now I have to finish watching.

[Onkel Neal]

Why worry about some flippant remark Joe Rogan makes? It's nothing compared to the constant barrage of brainwashing we get daily from CNN, Sean Hannity, NPR, John Oliver, MSNBC, Fox News, the BBC, and a million others....

[Rockstar]

https://youtu.be/oInLx7-tkKQ

[Rockstar]

This is for all you emotional types. Step back for a moment, think, man up, grow a pair and fer chrissakes stop whining like little girls.

https://youtu.be/lOMqQXhCU4M

[Rockstar]

What happened to Mr. I’m so sad?

https://youtu.be/YGMnh0eMyEU

[Rockstar]

https://youtu.be/EGm43DZ5WYo

[Threadfin]

I don't even think he owns his own music anymore. This is virtue signal performance art. Look at how principled I am while I risk absolutely nothing.

[Rockstar]

Buhwaaahaaahaha. Didn’t have anything to do with ‘misinformation or free speech’. Young is just greedy money grubbing selfish s.o.b.

https://youtu.be/VRMSl7_zPSU

[Arlo]

Jimmy Dore spam .... errr .... fan? :shucks:

[Rockstar]

Those other opinions never make everything out as cut and dry as some would like us to believe.

If there is one thing that I know, it’s that controversy sells. Just look at how Maus is selling again it’s on the nations best sellers lists. People made their name in the papers and sales on Amazon are making them money again too. Meanwhile the rat race argues and accuse each other over some of the most trivial crap this century.