Ford motor company

[Rockstar]

So much for capitalism and the individual freedom to do with your property as you see fit. Appears Ford Motor Company is trying to make their dealerships add language to future contracts which would prevent private individuals from reselling their car within a year of its purchase from said dealership.

While some may wonder why Ford is telling their customers what to do with their vehicle, the point of the agreement is to stop them from quickly flipping it and over-inflating the secondary market (which happened with the new Bronco last summer). Ford has also made use of no-sale provisions before, like with its 2017 GT. It’s also shown a willingness to enforce the deal too, like when it sued John Cena for selling the limited-edition supercar too quickly.

Ford May Ban F-150 Lighting Owners From Reselling Their Trucks for at Least One Year
https://robbreport.com/motors/cars/ford-may-ban-f-150-lighting-owners-from-reselling-their-trucks-for-at-least-one-year-1234657310/#!

[Catfish]

For what i have heard US buyers were not even allowed to repair their bought US vehicles :hmmm:

[Buddahaid]

Lots of unmentioned possibilities there. Does the buyer actually own the car pink slip and all? Is Ford financing it and still own it?

[Platapus]

Not sure how enforceable such a provision would be in court.

[Rockstar]

For what i have heard US buyers were not even allowed to repair their bought US vehicles :hmmm:

Oh they’re allowed to repair them. From what I’ve seen most people don’t have the slightest clue how to perform even the most basic maintenance. On top of that many modern cars are now built in such a way forcing the new owner back to the shop to have an ‘expert’ change a light bulb.

[Catfish]

In the US they were not allowed, until Biden decided that they have that right.
And for what i see here people repairing their "mobile property" (read cars, trucks, whatever) are better informed and capable than the brand-owned shops belonging to the company building the car.
And they will charge you around 120 Euos an hour, if they find the error or not.
F. them.

[Jeff-Groves]

If it's part of a purchase CONTRACT? Yes that is a legal document one signs.
As to being forced to have service preformed by the Dealer? Nope. There's ways around that!
I program my vehicles to run balls to the walls with special software.
If I HAVE to take them in? I just reverse to the stock program.

Hackers have ways and means!
:03:

[Rockstar]

In the US they were not allowed, until Biden decided that they have that right.
And for what i see here people repairing their "mobile property" (read cars, trucks, whatever) are better informed and capable than the brand-owned shops belonging to the company building the car.
And they will charge you around 120 Euos an hour, if they find the error or not.
F. them.

You might want to fact check that thing about not being allowed until Biden gave them that right. :yep:

Anyway, about the resale of private property. I think Mr. Groves hit the nail on the head. If it’s in the contract it’s in the contract. If you don’t like the terms don’t sign it or buy the car.

[Catfish]

You might want to fact check that thing about not being allowed until Biden gave them that right. :yep:
I meant his.
https://www.autoblog.com/2021/07/07/biden-ftc-right-to-repair-rules-cars-tractors/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAHMd24G107gLuXUAFAwRV9vdUkfC UkuShSgAyFJApKJgUMcDftTquMAveXSAg08IOp2xbW3ve6B6ib z6FcWKwB_S7A_aBwtJumnmn5s1ugQNfvpRoXRDU6dAR5sJ_0-2amfq6USvJP71pDax8ZxB7PBKnXcu9LnwaKJI5VKkgJxa
Anyway, about the resale of private property. I think Mr. Groves hit the nail on the head. If it’s in the contract it’s in the contract. If you don’t like the terms don’t sign it or buy the car.
I guess i already said: F. them.

[Skybird]

Windows/Microsoft practically own your computer and business software and dictate you terms and conditions and functioanlity and bugs and flaws and access to your privacy at Microsoft's will - so why not Ford owning the car you leased? :smug:

[Rockstar]

Not sure how that “right to repair” thingy really applies to the automotive side. As far as I know tools and parts are readily available everywhere to everyone. There isn’t a shade tree mechanic or small business auto shop I’m aware of that can’t get what they need to fix a car. Hell just a few months ago I ordered genuine Toyota OEM parts and replaced the front struts all by myself.

Maybe it has something do to with car design. There’s something I have seen change a lot over the years. Engines are getting so complicated and crammed into small compartments the average owner can’t even change the oil in their car or is at a loss at how.

The only other thing I’m aware of which might prevent a small shop from getting specialized computers, machines, tools and training to fix say, an Audi S5. Is it simply isn’t worth it, he would end up losing much of his investment because there isn’t that many Audi’s out there to fix. Therefore Audi owners don’t have much choice but to go to a Audi dealership that already has all of the tools and training.

[ET2SN]

Not sure how that “right to repair” thingy really applies to the automotive side.

There is currently a bru-ha-ha involving John Deere, Right To Repair, and farmers. :doh:
This gets complicated really fast. If you leased a tractor over a 15 year purchase agreement, do you own it? As an "owner", are you bound to service agreements if they are listed in the fine print or can you wrench on it in the barn?

This all boils down to contract law and capitalism. :Kaleun_Sleep:
Neither subject can be considered click-bait-y but it does become important when vehicles become high dollar assets.

[Platapus]

My Forester is the first vehicle I have owned in a long time where it was feasible to change the oil by myself.


One car I had years ago had to be on a lift just to change the oil as that was the only way to gain access to the filter. :doh:

[Rockstar]

There is currently a bru-ha-ha involving John Deere, Right To Repair, and farmers. :doh:
This gets complicated really fast. If you leased a tractor over a 15 year purchase agreement, do you own it? As an "owner", are you bound to service agreements if they are listed in the fine print or can you wrench on it in the barn?

This all boils down to contract law and capitalism. :Kaleun_Sleep:
Neither subject can be considered click-bait-y but it does become important when vehicles become high dollar assets.

Ya I was reading a little bit more about this. It doesn’t have jack squat to do with Biden giving car owners the right to fix their own cars. Makes it sound like we we could never turn a wrench until Sleepy Joe allowed us too.

It has much more to do with as you said contracts, warranty, planned obsolescence, and making things so consumers can fix them and possibly just more intrusive meddling and regulation by the state. Pretty soon we’ll need to hire a lawyer to buy a cup of coffee.

[Rockstar]

My Forester is the first vehicle I have owned in a long time where it was feasible to change the oil by myself.


One car I had years ago had to be on a lift just to change the oil as that was the only way to gain access to the filter. :doh:

I remember when an owners manual had instructions how to adjust the valve lash. Not anymore, these days over half the manual is dedicated to just pairing your phone to the radio.

[Jeff-Groves]

What they are doing is taking away the ability of the average person to service their vehicle. Thus getting more of your money!
Now what they can't stop is the ABOVE normal owner!
I can change nearly every computer setting in my vehicles with special software. Yes it cost me more then a few bucks but the over all savings are worth it to me.
Another nice thing I can do is change out the computers with a junk yard one and reprogram that for a quick change if need be.
I remember reading a book years ago where positronic brains were installed in vehicles and how they were hacked or changed. Probably Asaac Asimov.
Having been in the business of working on cars and trucks? I saw that coming!

[Commander Wallace]

There is currently a bru-ha-ha involving John Deere, Right To Repair, and farmers. :doh:
This gets complicated really fast. If you leased a tractor over a 15 year purchase agreement, do you own it? As an "owner", are you bound to service agreements if they are listed in the fine print or can you wrench on it in the barn?

This all boils down to contract law and capitalism. :Kaleun_Sleep:
Neither subject can be considered click-bait-y but it does become important when vehicles become high dollar assets.


I read this as well. Right now, you almost have to be a computer engineer to do work on your car. I know a few guys who use a laptop tied into the vehicles onboard computer so they ( can talk to each other ) They adjust the fuel and spark curves and other things. Motorcycles are becoming just as bad with the advent of fuel injection on them.

Tearing an engine down isn't all that hard although, you still need a qualified machine shop to do cylinder boring and cutting and or polishing a crankshaft. I took a few years of mechanics when I was in high school so this isn't a big deal. You also need basic skills with a caliper to measure to set tolerances for bearings and such. As Jeff said, if you have knowledge like that in programming, you can do a lot of the work yourself.

There is no doubt however that car manufacturers want you to bring your cars back to them so they can charge over inflated service prices. You can save tons of money if like Rockstar, Platapus and others have said in that you can perform basic service including brakes, struts, alternators, etc....

[Skybird]

Epson ET-series printers. Have an ink pad, that in principle could be easily replaced once it soaked itself full (the printer does not print anymore then). Software command to be activated in the in the menu like when you fill up the ink tank, resetting counters to zero, and you are done. But not with Epson (and others). They made the ink pad much less easily accessible (without need), and the resetter needs a code you either buy online from second hand sources (unneeded), or you have the whole thing being sent in to Epson so that they can charge you a second time. Its planned obsolence of an especially impertinent kind. At the same time their propaganda keeps telling law makers there is no planned obsolence.

I have such a printer, new, and I love it, it works great (ET-2750). I did not now that ink pad thing. If I would have known,I would have wnated but probably would have gotten it anyway, with Linux, your options for printers are limited. The ink tank design is fantastic. But their greed kills the good impresson they could have left with the ET-series.

No surprise this is, I know I know. They keep on telling you how sustainability-oriented they are. They are liars.


This omnipresent, always "on" lying and cheating, it makes me sick and angry. Its one of th ereaosns why I have turned out to become that grumpy cat that nI became. I cannot stand it when people tell me lies right to my face while all the time smiling.

[Jeff-Groves]

The program I have can diagnose problems as I drive when I have my Notebook plugged in.
If I had a Notebook with Blue tooth? I have a Bluetooth adapter that I could install so no hard wire would be needed!

I am not the average vehicle owner though.
Not many would spend what I have to take control of my vehicles!
I can change shift points, Fuel curves, Timing curves, and MUCH MORE!
I can even change the errors in speedometer readings for different tire sizes!

If I wish? I can even stop any warnings from popping up by disabling detection!
It's CRAZY what your vehicle is recording now days!

I also learned how to remove On Star tracking. Even if you have no contract for On Star? The vehicle can be tracked!
On my 2000 Cadillac Escalade? It was simply unplug the wires behind the glove box.
Now they SAY that old of Caddy is ANALOG so don't work with On Star. Not trusting THAT statement!
Mine are Ghosts!

[Skybird]

You should build your own Maximilian, rob a bank and be stinking rich. :D

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[Jeff-Groves]

I am a Hacker from WAY back.
But I am not now nor ever have been a THIEF!
What I own now? I earned it honestly. By working for it.

[AVGWarhawk]

Shortage of new vehicles. Bronco by Ford are very popular for some reason. As far as repairing ones vehicle, what happens in the garage stays in the garage.

I would hope all are going over the contract before signing. Many don't.