Sunrise Police Incident (bodycam footage)

[Bubblehead1980]

From my home state...disgusting.


This young, female officer stepped up to stop the abuse of a citizen by her jackbooted Sergeant, and he responded by attacking her. No audio, because police have conveniently withheld the audio due to "ongoing investigation."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTtuvIrthSw

[Buddahaid]

Yeah that will go down well.

[Bubblehead1980]

Yeah that will go down well.

Well, the Sergeant is suspended currently, good chance he will be terminated and even charged with battery, as he should be. I would bet money if he has a spouse and or/children, they have bruises. Sadly, pretty typical.

[Jimbuna]

The job is hard enough without the additional burden of a rotten apple.

[Bubblehead1980]

The job is hard enough without the additional burden of a rotten apple.

To be fair, the job is not that difficult, 99% of the time. While it certainly has its moments and inherent risks/occupational hazards, most of the time its a fairly easy job and not as dangerous as widely thought, compared to other occupations. Police Officer does not even make the top ten most dangerous occupations in the country. Entertainment and propaganda efforts of past perpetuated a myth that persists among a large portion of the population today.

Issue with law enforcement in America is not just a few "rotten apples", but is systemic, which is why the problems repeat themselves from coast to coast, north to south, and this Sergeant's behavior is one of countless examples. Literally can see him jump out, ready to spray a prisoner in custody as a punitive measure, which is not what police are tasked to do. The culture is a major problem, but incidents like this show early signs of change, as the younger generation takes over and those like the Sergeant fade away, thankfully.

[Commander Wallace]

The job is hard enough without the additional burden of a rotten apple.


As Bubblehead1980 had alluded to, I doubt this is the first time this particular officer was aggressive or abusive to others. However, with video camera's, police officers are finally being caught at abuses including of their authority. This particular officer was caught on camera and doesn't appear to care. Bubblehead1980 is correct in that abuses such as this are systemic and wide spread.

The bad part is, cities and community's are often stuck paying the legal bills of these officers and the settlements that often occur, without an admission of wrong doing. I have heard people say that the police need to be de-funded. Quite the contrary, I think these officers require many tests including psychological to see if they are fit to be police officers. The schooling required to be a police officer is at the bare minimum as compared to other police officers around the world. I think these officers need on going schooling to do their jobs properly. Police should also have to carry their own liability insurance in the event that they wrongfully hurt or kill someone. If they have to pay their own legal fees, they will think twice if it comes out of their own pockets.

Finally, mechanisms should be put into place to assist these officers in the event they are suffering from ( PTSD ) Post traumatic stress disorder.

[mapuc]

Doesn't the American police go through a psychological test ?

In Sweden a coming police officer has to go through both psychological and physical test before s/he is approved to become a police officer.

Markus

[Commander Wallace]

Doesn't the American police go through a psychological test ?

In Sweden a coming police officer has to go through both psychological and physical test before s/he is approved to become a police officer.

Markus


They do Markus, upon entering the police academy. Regular evaluations should be the norm however to see if officers remain fit for duty.

[Bubblehead1980]

Doesn't the American police go through a psychological test ?

In Sweden a coming police officer has to go through both psychological and physical test before s/he is approved to become a police officer.

Markus


Yes, as part of the hiring process they do, but it is rarely a actual psych issue the causes the problems, or ones that are not present at time of hiring. There are no regular psych evaluations unless something happens, such as officer involved shooting. Legally, can get hairy trying to preempt things due to civil service laws, police unions, etc.

In most departments across country, pay is low, especially given the potential risks and immense power , and thus hiring standards are low.

Very few of the incidents are caused by psych issues, it is the culture. There is, and has been for a long time, a very authoritarian, "us vs. the public" , thin blue line, police are infallible, increasingly militaristic culture, driven by the "war on drugs" and "war on crime".

[Gorpet]

From my home state...disgusting.


This young, female officer stepped up to stop the abuse of a citizen by her jackbooted Sergeant, and he responded by attacking her. No audio, because police have conveniently withheld the audio due to "ongoing investigation."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTtuvIrthSw

Well you could provide more info. Like why was he being arrested for in the first place! Post his arrest record. Now as far as this female rookie is concerned you have to call her actions into question. If she is on the job and running on emotion's I sure as hell wouldn't want her working with me if i was a police officer. Running up behind her Sergeant and grabbing his duty belt, well she as a rookie crossed the line and no officer will ever trust her with their lives. This woman does not need to be a police officer. You must be Anti Everything that doesn't fit in your Utopia I was searching for a Heart of Stone the Rolling Stones. Helped me. I found it to be true , Then again your not part of the Old Breed and the New Breed is more feminine as immigrants to Florida are. Now I know your head will explode and you will want to get into a deep conversation. So have at it, it will not change the truth she as a rookie was in the wrong.People in service don't get Sergeant's stripes for nothing.

[Rockstar]

Public out cry over a situation which they have little if any knowledge of facts. All they have seen is what the media wants them to see, a single screen shot or the media’s commentary of a video plastered on the front page. That in turn gets a knee jerk reaction by City and Police chief. That in turn only serves to reenforce the public’s idea their assumptions were correct. Now comes the investigation and lawyers who attract the politicians and activists. Investigation finds no reason to charge anyone, troops are reprimanded and transferred. Public grumbles and soon forgets and moves on to next headline.

My take, the young lady for whatever reason physically pulled her sergeant away from the car/suspect. Not sure that was such a smart move. But let’s find out and see what the investigation uncovers. Before we get our panties in a bunch over nothing.

[Buddahaid]

Having served 21 years with one valor award,:up: one Officer of the Year award:up: and two previous complaint for excess force, :down::down: the good jackbooted :hmmm:sergeant has overstayed his career and should retire...that said, his principle problem is that his county's public-defender has correctly pointed out that there are currently 410 ongoing cases of assault against police officers and the sergeant's assault on his fellow officer should be no different; else the 410 other will have legitimate cause for dismissal-a 'double standard' being unacceptable. A criminal assault case is thus looming. The more so as the chief has stated that his officers received specific de-escalation training within the last two years including both the sergeant and the officer he attacked who was obviously fulfilling her training. Once the good sergeant is allowed to retire, the assaulted officer may then also $ue him civilly for assault and battery against his accrued assets. The apparently well-meaning police chief, having only acted after the release of the cam video, needs to quit making public statement for the duration of the internal investigation.

Regardless of what the arrested has done in the past there is no evidence of his resisting so why is the assaulting officer so worked up?

[Gorpet]

Public out cry over a situation which they have little if any knowledge of facts. All they have seen is what the media wants them to see, a single screen shot or the media’s commentary of a video plastered on the front page. That in turn gets a knee jerk reaction by City and Police chief. That in turn only serves to reenforce the public’s idea their assumptions were correct. Now comes the investigation and lawyers who attract the politicians and activists. Investigation finds no reason to charge anyone, troops are reprimanded and transferred. Public grumbles and soon forgets and moves on to next headline.

My take, the young lady for whatever reason physically pulled her sergeant away from the car/suspect. Not sure that was such a smart move. But let’s find out and see what the investigation uncovers. Before we get our panties in a bunch over nothing.

It was posted by an Attorney in exile.
Every Attorney office in Florida is working with the Biden Administration to get all the new voters that are bussed and flown in between midnight and six am into our state. Joe pay's them top dollar so there's no problem. For him or his state. Just look at it this way acceptance for you. After all politician's are using your money to pay for it.And as you are experiencing now by summer i don't know how the people that get up every morning at 4:00 am go to work for 12 hrs a day will shoulder the burden of Build Back Better.

[Bubblehead1980]

Well you could provide more info. Like why was he being arrested for in the first place! Post his arrest record. Now as far as this female rookie is concerned you have to call her actions into question. If she is on the job and running on emotion's I sure as hell wouldn't want her working with me if i was a police officer. Running up behind her Sergeant and grabbing his duty belt, well she as a rookie crossed the line and no officer will ever trust her with their lives. This woman does not need to be a police officer. You must be Anti Everything that doesn't fit in your Utopia I was searching for a Heart of Stone the Rolling Stones.Helped me. I found it to be true , Then again your not part of the Old Breed and the New Breed is more feminine as immigrants to Florida are

Why he was arrested, his record, etc are simply not germane. Innocent until proven guilty. Cops are not there to be a punitive arm of the legal system, that is not their function. The suspect was in custody, i.e. handcuffed in back of a patrol car, and the Sergeant was going to pepper spray him, because he wanted to, further escalating the situation by abusing a citizen who was in custody. The female officer prevented a citizen from being abused by the Sergeant, literally protected him. Seems she was calm and acted professionally, while they Sergeant was emotional, attempting to take it out on the subject in custody, then turned on her for doing her duty.

"feminine immigrants"? lol I am a Florida native and while no longer reside there, I visit often. Ongoing changes are positive, perhaps will stop being the backwater, corrupt, "Florida man" state, at some point.

[Bubblehead1980]

Public out cry over a situation which they have little if any knowledge of facts. All they have seen is what the media wants them to see, a single screen shot or the media’s commentary of a video plastered on the front page. That in turn gets a knee jerk reaction by City and Police chief. That in turn only serves to reenforce the public’s idea their assumptions were correct. Now comes the investigation and lawyers who attract the politicians and activists. Investigation finds no reason to charge anyone, troops are reprimanded and transferred. Public grumbles and soon forgets and moves on to next headline.

My take, the young lady for whatever reason physically pulled her sergeant away from the car/suspect. Not sure that was such a smart move. But let’s find out and see what the investigation uncovers. Before we get our panties in a bunch over nothing.


Sounds like "copsplaining". Video is clear, suspect in custody, which none of the other officers were going to spray, Sergeant arrived, can tell was "jacked up", he approaches to spray a suspect in custody, i.e. handcuffed. The female officer saw something wrong and stopped it. Yes, people are accustomed to cops just backing one another up, even when they are wrong. Things are changing and she followed her training as well as moral obligation.

Sergeant committed battery on the female officer, should be charged and fired. Anyone else on video doing such a thing to another person and especially a cop, would be have been arrested already. The department is dragging its feet, this happened in NOVEMBER, it is almost February. Really, does not take this long to investigate something on video, so clear cut. They have withheld the audio, ostensibly because of the "ongoing investigation", but lets be real here, the audio is likely quit damning. When he points at her and say something, I bet his hostile tone, combined with offensive language really is icing on the cake and they don't want to share that until they must.

Those attorneys and activists are why people are aware of this, otherwise would be swept under the rug as happens far too often.

[Bubblehead1980]

Regardless of what the arrested has done in the past there is no evidence of his resisting so why is the assaulting officer so worked up?


Exactly:Kaleun_Salute:

[Gorpet]

Regardless of what the arrested has done in the past there is no evidence of his resisting so why is the assaulting officer so worked up?

It's not about the the the person being arrested! The poster did not give us that information. It's all about what a rookie officer did .And she let her emotion's rise above her being a professional. Can you understand that ?

[Bubblehead1980]

It's not about the the the person being arrested! The poster did not give us that information. It's all about what a rookie officer did .And she let her emotion's rise above her being a professional. Can you understand that ?


lol Exactly, it is not about the person being arrested, what he allegedly did, record etc are just not germane. This is about a out of control Sergeant, who attempted to abuse a citizen and then attacked another officer.

Emotions? Actually, she was calm and showed great judgment, literally living up to the creed of "To protect and serve" the public. Sergeant on the other hand, his behavior showed emotion.

[Gorpet]

Why he was arrested, his record, etc are simply not germane. Innocent until proven guilty. Cops are not there to be a punitive arm of the legal system, that is not their function. The suspect was in custody, i.e. handcuffed in back of a patrol car, and the Sergeant was going to pepper spray him, because he wanted to, further escalating the situation by abusing a citizen who was in custody. The female officer prevented a citizen from being abused by the Sergeant, literally protected him. Seems she was calm and acted professionally, while they Sergeant was emotional, attempting to take it out on the subject in custody, then turned on her for doing her duty.

"feminine immigrants"? lol I am a Florida native and while no longer reside there, I visit often. Ongoing changes are positive, perhaps will stop being the backwater, corrupt, "Florida man" state, at some point.

Don't post another viedo without audio. She is a rook officer and if you thank her actions were correct. Then lets do an investigation on her what's her background. You see now everybody must be investigated so we know every comrades actions are true. What might we find about her? And you don't live here any more you found more dollars out of Florida. But you can afford to blow in when you want. Thumbs up to ya. We have two Florida men that you wouldn't touch .Buddy Dyer And Jerry Deming's neither one of them could build a Sim City. Submit it and win an election. They are your Backwater corrupt Florida men they pander and pay for the services you provide. Bird's of a feather flock together. You don't have to live here just visit when you get called.

[Gorpet]

Yes, as part of the hiring process they do, but it is rarely a actual psych issue the causes the problems, or ones that are not present at time of hiring. There are no regular psych evaluations unless something happens, such as officer involved shooting. Legally, can get hairy trying to preempt things due to civil service laws, police unions, etc.

In most departments across country, pay is low, especially given the potential risks and immense power , and thus hiring standards are low.

Very few of the incidents are caused by psych issues, it is the culture. There is, and has been for a long time, a very authoritarian, "us vs. the public" , thin blue line, police are infallible, increasingly militaristic culture, driven by the "war on drugs" and "war on crime".

And the current Political Administration, driven buy their authoritarian agenda if you don't agree with their belief's you are the Enemy. Why don't we have regular psych evaluations on politician's ? Would you agree that given time
that politician's having been in office and power more than 15 yrs especially looked at? And all their family members do you not believe that these people could not develop psych issues.? After all they where regular citizens at some point in time. I agree with you all incidents in America be it by citizens or the Politician are caused by psych issues. So when do the Lobotomy's start and who do you think should be first Politician, Lawyer or Citizen ?

[MaDef]

Video is useless without audio.

[Rockstar]

Not my intention to copsplaine anything.

What I see is every single screen shot of the video freezes the hand of the sergeant next to the lady officers throat. Along with the obligatory media narrative that he was strangling her. Image is everything so we get the public outcry followed up with a knee jerk reaction.


But looking at the video.

I saw no abuse. If the lady saw abuse it will come out in the investigation so I’m not sure why the young lady began pulling on the sergeants belt. But I imagine there are other ways to bring abuse charges besides grabbing and pulling on someone else’s gun belt during an arrest. When the sargeant whipped around it looked to me as though he was pushing the lady. Yes initially driving towards the the throat but almost immediately moved further down towards her chest area.

I do know in my training if I felt a hand on my gun other than my own I was to swing around and drive my elbow into whoever was doing it and keep at it until they let go. Then ask questions.

Give it time they’ll figure it out but I got a feeling both are going to have the hammer dropped on’em.

Wouldn’t be something if it was found out the sargeant did nothing wrong. But the young lady freaked out and like the public didn’t have all the facts and made baseless assumptions which prompted her to grab the back of sargeant belts and drag him from the vehicle. Which in turn ticked off the sargeant. Now that would be funny.

[Buddahaid]

Wouldn't it be cool if everyone stopped making up stories.

[Bubblehead1980]

Not my intention to copsplaine anything.

What I see is every single screen shot of the video freezes the hand of the sergeant next to the lady officers throat. Along with the obligatory media narrative that he was strangling her. Image is everything so we get the public outcry followed up with a knee jerk reaction.


But looking at the video.

I saw no abuse. If the lady saw abuse it will come out in the investigation so I’m not sure why the young lady began pulling on the sergeants belt. But I imagine there are other ways to bring abuse charges besides grabbing and pulling on someone else’s gun belt during an arrest. When the sargeant whipped around it looked to me as though he was pushing the lady. Yes initially driving towards the the throat but almost immediately moved further down towards her chest area.

I do know in my training if I felt a hand on my gun other than my own I was to swing around and drive my elbow into whoever was doing it and keep at it until they let go. Then ask questions.

Give it time they’ll figure it out but I got a feeling both are going to have the hammer dropped on’em.

Wouldn’t be something if it was found out the sargeant did nothing wrong. But the young lady freaked out and like the public didn’t have all the facts and made baseless assumptions which prompted her to grab the back of sargeant belts and drag him from the vehicle. Which in turn ticked off the sargeant. Now that would be funny.


You have a fair point and I should not have said "copsplaining" as your intent does seem genuine, and perhaps from your perspective as a LEO, you are sure of your view. I admit, it is a bit baffling, pretty clear what went down in the footage. Thus, my reaction is certainly not kneejerk, I've watched it many times and can see him whip out the pepper spray, go charging in, and it appears that he sprayed the restrained suspect, who was not resisting, but not sure if actually sprayed, that bit is unclear. Certainly does appear he was at minimum about to spray a handcuffed subject, which was not called for at all. Then when the female officer, following her recent training on deescalating situations, pulls the Sergeant back, he spins around, pauses a second and grabs female officer by the throat. While he did move his hand down, he kept his hand on her and pushed her back for several seconds, even though he knew it was another cop who was behind him, he committed a battery and there is no excuse for his behavior. That is where the outcry is coming from, his behavior was out of line. This is great thing about body cameras, as the Chief said "The footage speaks for itself." I look forward to when the audio is released, although I have a feeling he said some things, that will only hurt him.


The female officer is a example of cops we need, she saw something wrong and stopped it, instead of taking no action, thin blue line all of that.

[Rockstar]

No worries I’m not here to argue you’re wrong and I’m right, only to state my own opinion. One of which I think this is as an internal matter and our media has a responsibility too keep us informed too. But instead they seem, at least too me, to create their own contentious narrative.

Whatever the reasons, perceptions or facts are it’s obvious something went horribly wrong. The actions of both of those people need to be investigated and lessons learned.

[Jeff-Groves]

@Rockstar,
You are the ONE person I expected to follow the trail.
You let me down.


I'd say we need HIS body Cam along with all the other Officers on Scene.
Seems like a set up from one perspective to me at this point.
Why not his Cam? Why not all the other LEO's Cams?
:hmmm:
And where is her Cam SHOWING his hands coming at her!
I suspect a totally edited version of visual FACTS!

Whos' Cam shows the side view near the end? That was NOT Hers!
And I find it HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS it DOES NOT SHOW HIS HANDS ON HER THROAT!
Funny how THAT part is just out of frame!

I ALSO find the link to the Youtube owner highly SUSPICIOUS!
Find the actual video released by the Police and not someone that has an agenda!

I actually thought you all were smarter then to fall for this kind of BS!
And YES Bubblehead1980! You are the idiot that posted the link!
YOU have an agenda also?

When The Freak You all gonna learn to research stuff?
This video doesn't even reach Deep Fake standards and you fall for it!
Do I have to pull out the crayons and explain Deep Fake now?

I'd suggest a complete removeal of this thread by Admin as it's tainted BS!

[Commander Wallace]

@Rockstar,
You are the ONE person I expected to follow the trail.
You let me down.


I'd say we need HIS body Cam along with all the other Officers on Scene.
Seems like a set up from one perspective to me at this point.
Why not his Cam? Why not all the other LEO's Cams?
:hmmm:
And where is her Cam SHOWING his hands coming at her!
I suspect a totally edited version of visual FACTS!

Whos' Cam shows the side view near the end? That was NOT Hers!
And I find it HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS it DOES NOT SHOW HIS HANDS ON HER THROAT!
Funny how THAT part is just out of frame!

I ALSO find the link to the Youtube owner highly SUSPICIOUS!
Find the actual video released by the Police and not someone that has an agenda!

I actually thought you all were smarter then to fall for this kind of BS!
And YES Bubblehead1980! You are the idiot that posted the link!
YOU have an agenda also?

When The Freak You all gonna learn to research stuff?
This video doesn't even reach Deep Fake standards and you fall for it!
Do I have to pull out the crayons and explain Deep Fake now?

I'd suggest a complete removeal of this thread by Admin as it's tainted BS!

The police officer who allegedly assaulted the woman police officer is on desk duty pending an investigation. Apparently, there was enough evidence to put him on desk duty and get him off the street. The Police chief of both of these officers has said he is disgusted upon seeing the video. The chief is a lot closer to this situation than we are.

IA will conduct a full investigation to determine if actions including firing the police officer and a filing of charges is warranted and can be supported in court. Anything beyond that is speculation at best. I think we should all step back, curb the angst and just wait to see how this all plays out.

[Jeff-Groves]

Another Sucker to the video posted.
Not saying it didn't happen but the video posted IS edited and suspect.

Nice to see how many actually fall for THAT YouTube channels postings.

[Commander Wallace]

Another Sucker to the video posted.
Not saying it didn't happen but the video posted IS edited and suspect.

Nice to see how many actually fall for THAT YouTube channels postings.


I'm sure forensics experts will investigate to determine if the videos have been tampered with and or edited and take the appropriate action. Till then, we should just take a wait and see approach.

[Reece]

Wouldn't it be cool if everyone stopped making up stories.
Not going to happen mate! :doh:

[Bubblehead1980]

@Rockstar,
You are the ONE person I expected to follow the trail.
You let me down.


I'd say we need HIS body Cam along with all the other Officers on Scene.
Seems like a set up from one perspective to me at this point.
Why not his Cam? Why not all the other LEO's Cams?
:hmmm:
And where is her Cam SHOWING his hands coming at her!
I suspect a totally edited version of visual FACTS!

Whos' Cam shows the side view near the end? That was NOT Hers!
And I find it HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS it DOES NOT SHOW HIS HANDS ON HER THROAT!
Funny how THAT part is just out of frame!

I ALSO find the link to the Youtube owner highly SUSPICIOUS!
Find the actual video released by the Police and not someone that has an agenda!

I actually thought you all were smarter then to fall for this kind of BS!
And YES Bubblehead1980! You are the idiot that posted the link!
YOU have an agenda also?

When The Freak You all gonna learn to research stuff?
This video doesn't even reach Deep Fake standards and you fall for it!
Do I have to pull out the crayons and explain Deep Fake now?

I'd suggest a complete removeal of this thread by Admin as it's tainted BS!


So you are saying Footage is fake eh ? lol

[MaDef]

So you are saying Footage is fake eh ? lol
Not fake per-se, but there were at least 6 officers on scene. There should be at least 3 other angles of the "incident". we also need the audio, as that would put the actions seen in the video into some sort of context.

[Jeff-Groves]

So you are saying Footage is fake eh ? lol

It's such an edited version that once traced to the YouTube channel you took it from?
Yeah. Agenda to make ALL Police the Bad Guys.
I traced better footage and that video you posted is intentionally edited!
:nope:

He DID NOT grab her by the throat! He did grab her by the collar NEAR her throat.
She DID grab his belt and pull him back out of the Vehicle as he seemed ready to spray the Guy.

[Bubblehead1980]

It's such an edited version that once traced to the YouTube channel you took it from?
Yeah. Agenda to make ALL Police the Bad Guys.
I traced better footage and that video you posted is intentionally edited!
:nope:

He DID NOT grab her by the throat! He did grab her by the collar NEAR her throat.
She DID grab his belt and pull him back out of the Vehicle as he seemed ready to spray the Guy.


Jeff, I posted, what was at the time the best video available, or that I found. I have watched multiple videos, different angles, etc, pretty sure everything that is out there. Perhaps share a video?

The Sergeant clearly grabbed her by the throat, began to push her, then moved his hand down and continued to pus her. The collar? really? Please share a video you believe shows this. Even if true, there is no excuse for his actions, grabbing her, pushing her. The Chief stated the video speaks for itself and it does. I definitely want to hear the audio, I would bet money it is quite damning to him and thus why has been withheld.

I have no anti-cop agenda, I know some individuals that are great people and officers. However, there are clear systemic issues with law enforcement as a whole in the US, and actions by the Sergeant and the numerous officers we see on a near daily basis, their actions and behaviors are manifestations of the systemic problems.

In situations like this, I wonder about the agendas, the apparent intellectual dishonesty, when there is clear video of a out of control cop, and people try to defend, excuse their actions. Really, there are people who will defend a cop no matter what. I recall people actually defending the cop in the Walter Scott shooting in South Carolina. As may recall, he shot him in the back and then video caught them trying to plant evidence. I heard a number of people try to justify this. I deal with the accused on a near daily basis and see cases of police misconduct on a regular basis. Sometimes, situations are confusing, chaotic, but this is pretty cut and dry. Sergeant had no right to grab the female officer and really had no justification to spray (if he did not, he clearly was about to, any reasonable person would believe he was about to do so) the subject in custody. Female officer, followed her training to prevent abuse of the citizen in custody. Imagine, if one of the cops on scene with George Floyd, etc had the moral courage to do what this officer did, a tragedy could have been avoided.