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These weeks I'm all trekkies watching between 6 to 12 episode of some Star Trek series. Right now I'm on Star Trek Enterprise.
This has given me a thought.
What will we discover where we boldly go, if we one day in the future invent the Warp engine and build a starship big as NX-01. ?
Other alien races ?
Nothing but dead planets ?
Markus
Buddahaid
05-07-21, 02:35 PM
New ways to get killed....
Skybird
05-07-21, 02:53 PM
Hydrogen. :up:
:haha: Good one!
On topic, I at least know what we better should discover: and that is a way to ourselves. Assuming we could move out there, really far out there, we would only carry our problems and neuroses with us and project them onto the cosmos, and that would be like a boomerang that when it returns to us hits us on the back of our head, but squared in size and bump-effect.
Solaris. Stanislaw Lem's classic novel and the great movie made of it by Andrej Tarkowski (and that Lem did not like...) add's the twist to it I am after. In one passagem that I have already quoted once many years ago, Lem wrote this:
We take off into the cosmos, ready for anything: for solitude, for hardship, for exhaustion, death. Modesty forbids us to say so, but there are times when we think pretty well of ourselves. And yet, if we examine it more closely, our enthusiasm turns out to be all a sham. We don't want to conquer the cosmos, we simply want to extend the boundaries of Earth to the frontiers of the cosmos. For us, such and such a planet is as arid as the Sahara, another as frozen as the North Pole, yet another as lush as the Amazon basin. We are humanitarian and chivalrous; we don't want to enslave other races, we simply want to bequeath them our values and take over their heritage in exchange. We think of ourselves as the Knights of the Holy Contact. This is another lie. We are only seeking Man. We have no need of other worlds. A single world, our own, suffices us; but we can't accept it for what it is. We are searching for an ideal image of our own world: we go in quest of a planet, a civilization superior to our own but developed on the basis of a prototype of our primeval past. At the same time, there is something inside us which we don't like to face up to, from which we try to protect ourselves, but which nevertheless remains, since we don't leave Earth in a state of primal innocence. We arrive here [on Solaris, Skybird] as we are in reality, and when the page is turned and that reality is revealed to us - that part of our reality which we would prefer to pass over in silence - then we don't like it anymore.
And:
Man has gone out to explore other worlds and other civilizations without having explored his own labyrinth of dark passages and secret chambers, and without finding what lies behind doorways that he himself has sealed.
The space out there, the space inside ourselves that is our mind - maybe the meaning of space exploration necessarily must embrace both in one and the same endavour. Because in the end we do not directly perceive and realise the nature of things and what our senses signal us they detect, our senses only show us by that that they work as they were intended. But its all a reality that we create inside our head, inside our brain, in our mind. We deal not with the universe per se, we deal with only our model and interpretation of it. And what we imagine, does not even really exist in the way we imagine it to be. Our brain's ways is the veil of Maya, and we cannot look beyond by just looking. First we must overlook something - ourselves, that is. That is what I understand to be at the heart and centre of every real spirituality. Trancendence can only be had at the price of leaving ourselves - read: our selves - behind. Forget about ourselves.
And maybe we then learn, like the protagonist Kelvin in Solaris, that the cosmos stares back into us.
Fantastic, great novel, btw. Who has not red it: read it!
(Different to Tarkowski, the movie by Soderberg with George Clooney unforgivingly cripples the ending by cutting off the merciless consequence and turning it into a stupid hollywood-kind of fell-well happy ending, sort of. Not a bad movie all along - until the end. Stupid: ruining the film on the last meters. )
AVGWarhawk
05-07-21, 02:53 PM
https://static.rogerebert.com/uploads/blog_post/primary_image/far-flung-correspondents/why-aliens-is-even-better-than-alien/aliens.jpg
Will we discover things that make it necessary to rewrite our knowledge about the space ?
Will we armed our spaceship...Just in case if...?
Markus
AVGWarhawk
05-07-21, 03:03 PM
Will we discover things that make it necessary to rewrite our knowledge about the space ?
Will we armed our spaceship...Just in case if...?
Markus
We always come armed.:haha:
Catfish
05-07-21, 03:09 PM
Hydrogen. :up:
And Helium.
Extraterrestrial life [sic!] (how arrogant to suppose your Terra is the only one, and extra terrestrial lol as if this was special), and interstellar travel was possible (don't think of "space ships", wrong direction), mankind should think about contact, and how to establish it. It is mankind to find out, all else are watching.
Moonlight
05-07-21, 04:57 PM
I hate to rain on your parade mapuc but the human race won't make it to that level of technology, in fact they won't even make it to the next century.
Get down to the doctors, take some chill pills and thank your lucky stars that you won't ever see the coming apocalypse. :haha:
I was always open minded on this subject but not any more, if anyone on here can say different then speak up and explain to every one how this apocalypse can be avoided and how we are going to navigate the stars.
Isn't there a proverb saying something with
War and Disaster is mother of all inventions or something like that.
So maybe after this apocalypse we will make huge progress in technologies like in Star Trek (First Contact)
Since no one exactly know what we will find except lots of Hydrogen, Helium Suns and planet,
This thread is free to speculate and to derail-As long it stay within the subject Space the univers
Markus
u crank
05-07-21, 05:12 PM
In order for us to go boldly as the saying goes, three problems have to be addressed. Time, distance and the laws of Physics. Our alien neighbors will have to solve those problems as well if they wish to visit us.
Aktungbby
05-07-21, 11:01 PM
We will probably discover that the third rock from the sun is the finest place in the universe to live...and we've really mucked it up...being "in the image of god" and all;:wah: which is why we're trying to get off this spinning, overpopulated, overheated, disease ridden, nuclear afflicted mudball in the first place...:hmmm:
Probably more space. :hmmm:
On a side note, I've always had the impression that Enterprise is not very well received among Star Trek fans and I'm a bit puzzled by it. I found it to be my favorite ST show I've seen.
PS. I never not take the chance to shill Babylon 5 when it come to Sci-fi, so if you've not seen the show. Definitely check it out. It is the best damn Sci-fi show I've seen.
PPS. Oberon, if you happen to be lurking; Watch the damn show already!
Buddahaid
05-07-21, 11:46 PM
Stop thinking about it, I did.
http://radio.garden/visit/new-orleans-la/cQTUQppZ
Jimbuna
05-08-21, 05:48 AM
What will we discover?
It is pretty obvious imho...the whereabouts of Lord Lucan
Platapus
05-08-21, 06:03 AM
We will discover that space is really big and that takes a real long time to get to places.
Skybird
05-08-21, 06:44 AM
So throw in a pill and have them places coming to you. :D
We will probably discover that the third rock from the sun is the finest place in the universe to live...
Being from New England it's the story of my life. I am not exaggerating when I say that my home town has the best pizza I have ever tasted anywhere, and I have looked, extensively, for something that even can match it over half the planet and nothing comes even close. Don't believe me go try it yourself. C&M Pizza in Leominster. Just be prepared for a bit of a let down every time you eat pizza from anywhere else ever again. It's like the Shangri-La of pizza, once you eat it you can never go back to mortal pies.
It's not just pizza either, NE has the best weather, the best food the best environment, heck even our environmental disasters, "Nor'easter" blizzards, are pretty mild when compared to the damage and destruction caused by tornadoes, earthquakes and wildfires that are suffered by the rest of the country, it truly is a land of plenty in so many ways.
The downside of this blessing and there always is one, is that everywhere I travel it's often a bit of a gastric disappointment. For example you'd think a sand bar state like Florida would have damn good seafood right? Nope. I went down there really hoping to try something better than I can find at say Browns Lobster Pound up at Hampton Beach NH but I was shocked to find that Florida seafood consists mostly of unidentified lumps of fish or reptile (doesn't seem to be much of a distinction) deep fried to hockey puck consistency in some kind of rancid oil like stuff that smells like it once helped to mark a Harley-Davidsons parking spot. Again I do not exaggerate.
How can this be? Delicious fresh fish nearly surrounds the state and they seem to have no clue about how to cook it so that it's actually edible. It ain't like we have some kind of monopoly on good cooks up here and the same highway that runs through Boston also runs through Miami (as our football talent has discovered recently), so i'm thinking it has to be environmental, maybe the water or the local bacteria or the air or something but it ain't just missing the taste of home I can tell you that!
It has been a pleasure to read your reply.
The comment are free as we don't know what we may discover besides what we already know exist.
Babylon 5 is next on my list(after having seen all episode of S.T. Discovery)
Markus
Rockstar
05-08-21, 12:01 PM
Not sure how things are now. When I was in Miami the best place for seafood was Joe's Seafood on the Miami River.
Elsewhere I thought the best and freshest seafood in this universe was found at any fine restaraunt on Taverneir, Marathon or Islamorada.
Jeff-Groves
05-08-21, 12:09 PM
Being from New England it's the story of my life. I am not exaggerating when I say that my home town has the best pizza I have ever tasted anywhere, and I have looked, extensively, for something that even can match it over half the planet and nothing comes even close. Don't believe me go try it yourself. C&M Pizza in Leominster.
I'll say it is some of the BEST Pizza I've had in my travels.
I did a demo job at The Mall at Whitney Field once so I can attest!
:up:
There is a place in Romney, West Virginia that makes a pretty good Pizza also.
Italian Touch.
Now. My favorite pizza is from my Village. It's home so that is probably why.
For me? Everything is better when I'm home. A burger cooked on an outdoor grill tastes better at home.
On Sea food? I'm not a fish eater! Didn't even like shrimp until a trip to Maui. BEST Coconut Shrimp I ever had!
I've still not had any as good in all my travels.
Best Steak? I was part owner of some Black Angus We raised here in Ohio.
Grass fed, free range with no chemical injections or such!
Butchered to order.
I need to do a few more!
Skybird
05-08-21, 01:40 PM
Babylon 5 is next on my list(after having seen all episode of S.T. Discovery)
A bit straying of from pure classic SF, but if futuristic settings is your thing, make sure you do not miss the Panem trilogy (Hungergames). I consider it to be so sensational and have been emptionally so connected that I have watched the three movies five times in two years and red the book trilogy as well although it is a book from a girl's perspective and written for youth audience and teens. But I am not the only older Tomcat in doing so, the series has a widespread adult fan base as well. And that is for a reason. Its the by far most intelligent and ripe, mature coming-of-age teen-series out there, and it really had me feeling emotionally hit.
So be warned, it is heart-breaking as well - but not cheesy sentimental. I do not know another youth book that touches upon so adult, serious topics. Which sometimes can be a katarsis.
The cast is most excellecent from the first to the last role, Jennifer Lawrence and Woody Harrelson and Donald Sutherland outclassing themselves and delivering the full deal of their skill and capabilities, and so many smaller roles so superbly casted as well, many with new, young talents. The screenplay was done by the author of the novels (which pays off) and is very close to the novel and the origianl dialogues, in parts the nbooks dialogues are amost copied over, which is a very good choice. Everything matches, the cast was in best acting mood.
You can easily see and I openly admit that I am a confessing Panem fan. :) Just thinking of it gets me a lumb in my throat.
For the younger generations I think it teaches very very valuable lessons. And far more valuable and realistic lessons than this stupid girlie from Sweden has in her psychopathological Rucksack.
In Asia, years ago crowds demonstrating and showing the Panem rebel hand greeting sign, made a junta panicking and having hundreds and thousands arrested, not sure where it was, I think already back then Myanmar, but it could have been another place, too. The moral of that novel cannot be liked by any political leadership, dictatorial or "democratic" alike.
Its foru movies, the third novel was done in two movies. The stories are not separate, the three parts belong together and must be watched/red in sequence.
There's no place like home.
I have seen the Hunger games trilogy
Been thinking and came to the conclusion that in less than 42 years from now we will not have invented a warp engine-We may have improved the engine we have today or have developed new type.
One thing I know for sure I'm 110 % sure.
On April 5 2063 there will be ten thousands of people gathering in Bozeman, Montana. Most of them Trekkies.
I will be 98 years old at that time. I hope I live that long.
I have hope we one day will build space craft where the brig is big as on a American destroyer and the crew has their own 2x2x3 meters room for them self.
Markus
Moonlight
05-08-21, 05:21 PM
Been thinking and came to the conclusion that in less than 42 years from now we will not have invented a warp engine-We may have improved the engine we have today or have developed new type.
Whatever type of engine they come up with its going to be bleeding useless to humans anyway, you can't go from 0 to 10,000 mph in seconds or you'll splatter the entire crew into the nearest bulkhead, artificial gravity is the key to space travel because without it humans are going no where fast. :haha:
Food for thought.
It takes the speed of light (186,000 miles a second) 16 days to reach the outer edge of our solar system, travelling on to the nearest star Proxima Centauri it would take it over 4 years to get there, conclusion, the speed of light is as fast as a bleeding tortoise. :O:
I think we may have developed a way to put astronaut into long deep sleep(frozen) and we may have developed an advanced robot who supervise the crew while the ship is travelling through space.
I know that on this ship there will be areas where there is a greenhouse or similar to a greenhouse. There will also be sample of meat this is to be used in the 3D meat printer/constructions machine.
Could also be that they will be eating artificiel meat or only vegetables.
Markus
Jeff-Groves
05-08-21, 06:16 PM
There will also be sample of meat this is to be used in the 3D meat printer/constructions machine.
Could also be that they will be eating artificiel meat or only vegetables.
Markus
Oh Christ! Don't tell me it's "Impossible" Meat!
I'd throw myself out the nearest Air lock!
:/\\!!
It would be a hard choice to eat that or lick a dogs ass!
Guess I'm not mentally ready to travel in space.
Oh Christ! Don't tell me it's "Impossible" Meat!
I'd throw myself out the nearest Air lock!
:/\\!!
It would be a hard choice to eat that or lick a dogs ass!
Guess I'm not mentally ready to travel in space.
Wait until you drink the water. :yep:
Platapus
05-09-21, 06:24 AM
I think we may have developed a way to put astronaut into long deep sleep(frozen) and we may have developed an advanced robot who supervise the crew while the ship is travelling through space.
Markus
We could call it the HAL 9000
Catfish
05-09-21, 06:29 AM
We could call it the HAL 9000
Time to unfreeze the crew, Hal.
"I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that."
Skybird
05-09-21, 07:03 AM
Many many people have been put into deep freeze sleep already a very long time ago, and they sleep until today since waking them up is not politically opportune...
Moonlight
05-09-21, 07:52 AM
^Bloody hell Skybird!, stop living in Cloud Cuckoo Land will you, the frozen ones are bleeding dead, the only reason they don't try and bring anyone to life is that they'd be found out for what they are, just a bunch of shysters taking money off the rich who believe they can cheat death.
What a sad set of pillocks the whole lot of them are. :o
I'll say it is some of the BEST Pizza I've had in my travels.
I did a demo job at The Mall at Whitney Field once so I can attest!
:up:
Cool. I remember when that mall was first built. They called it Searstown back then.
I was always open minded on this subject but not any more, if anyone on here can say different then speak up and explain to every one how this apocalypse can be avoided and how we are going to navigate the stars.
I'm not sure about avoiding the apocalypse, but I do know something about how we would navigate. It's not too dissimilar to navigating by the stars on Earth. That's why they put a sextant on the Apollo spacecraft.
Skybird
05-10-21, 03:22 AM
^Bloody hell Skybird!, stop living in Cloud Cuckoo Land will you, the frozen ones are bleeding dead, the only reason they don't try and bring anyone to life is that they'd be found out for what they are, just a bunch of shysters taking money off the rich who believe they can cheat death.
What a sad set of pillocks the whole lot of them are. :o
Hm, maybe somebody here did not got that I was talking a metaphor, kind of... :Kaleun_Cheers: The sleeping ones are walking in our streets, some of them with a smartphone in their hands and their heads frozen in a nod, the others with an opinion or party button on their jacket or a voting ballot in their pocket. Some of them with all of that, these are called the pillars of our communities.
Moonlight
05-10-21, 07:00 AM
Right, I see.....maybe :hmmm:
Those pillars of our communities you talk about, well where I live those pillocks would be known as first class Knobheads.
I guess we will develop a new type of satellite instead of spacecraft.
These satellite will be around 3-5 times bigger than todays satellite.
They will be packed with micro satellite, who will be used to investigate object in the path of the main satellite.
Their speed will be 5 times higher than todays satellite.
We will build many of these.
Around 2100 space shuttles will be a ordinary sight in the sky.
Shuttles who can take of from almost every airport in the world and who can travel to the moon in one go.
Markus
Moonlight
05-10-21, 09:39 AM
Lets say for arguments sake that we conquer Gravity and also design an engine to take humans to the stars, how bloody big will the spacecraft have to be?.
I would imagine it would have to be massive, as in the size of at least 7 Aircraft carriers bolted together and you're going to need spare parts for everything, a small sized hospital and what about nourishment?.
It's all a bleeding pipedream old boy, stick to watching Star Trek and get your space fantasies from that because as it is it's going to take at least 200 years to get anywhere near Star Trek technology. :haha:
First of all this thread is based on an idea I got from the Series Star Trek Enterprise.
The thread is an imaginary sort of thread, where your input is free as long it stay within the world of our univers.
I was thinking What will we discover if we one day invent the warp engine and send a crew away on a 10 years journey what will they find where they boldly go ?
This thread is also a more earthbound-where you can post more exact science.
Which some of you have done and myself.
As I mentioned in my former thread-We will develop a new type of satellite.
By the way-I think they have solved the gravity things-Remember a two hours The univers special, where they discussed Star Trek and what would be possible.
Some scientist came with the idea that in the outer ring of the disc on the spaceship should be a metal ring going around in a certain speed-Could have remember it wrong though.
Markus
Rockstar
05-10-21, 11:45 AM
I dont think inventing the warp engine is so much the problem. I think the most difficult hurdle is harnessing the energy to power it.
Another thing I been thinking about is the view in faster than light perspective.
Imagine you are sitting in the captains chair and give the order to engage the warp engine-fast or slowly your ship reach the speed you have ordered.
At impulse speed you see thing coming closer as you approach it....but how would it look like when you travelling faster than light ?
Markus
Rockstar
05-10-21, 02:05 PM
Maybe we will find another habital planet and one day be able to travel there.
Necessity is the mother of invention. Provided we arent destroyed by some global extinction event. The sun will cause earth to become uninhabital in less than a billion years.
Better hope warp drive is ready long before then
u crank
05-10-21, 05:31 PM
I dont think inventing the warp engine is so much the problem. I think the most difficult hurdle is harnessing the energy to power it.
It may be the sad reality in the near future that humans realize that travelling beyond our solar system is just not possible. There are limits to technology and the distances are just to great. To travel at just 20% of the speed of light means accelerating to 134,123,326 MPH. So far that is just a science fiction pipe dream.
I made a search for the words what is warp drive in Star Trek and found following in the question and answers
Q: Is warp speed possible?
A: Scientists Announce a Physical Warp Drive Is Now Possible. Seriously. Humans are one step closer to traveling at faster-than-light speeds. A new paper proposes a fully physically realized model for warp drive.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a35718463/scientists-say-physical-warp-drive-is-possible/
Then I made a search for controlling gravity
Q: Can we control gravity?
A: The better news is that there is no science that says that gravity control is impossible. First, we do know that gravity and electromagnetism are linked phenomena. ... Another way is through new theories from quantum mechanics that link gravity and inertia to something called "vacuum fluctuations."
https://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/technology/warp/gravstat.html
Markus
Platapus
05-10-21, 06:04 PM
Around 2100 space shuttles will be a ordinary sight in the sky.
Shuttles who can take of from almost every airport in the world and who can travel to the moon in one go.
Markus
That's what they thought about the Concord, but the business model was not quite there.
Armistead
05-10-21, 10:07 PM
Just waiting for nuclear thermal propulsion
Imagine you are sitting in the captains chair and give the order to engage the warp engine-fast or slowly your ship reach the speed you have ordered.
At impulse speed you see thing coming closer as you approach it....but how would it look like when you travelling faster than light ?
Markus
The answer is ... "flat". Like the Earth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNqNnUJVcVs
Catfish
05-11-21, 01:59 AM
Pfft If the earth was flat, the cats would already have thrown all things frrom its edge.
Before we can start constructing a spaceship we have do invent a few things.
One of them is a space robots-Same type our car industries use-but these will be made for use in space.
Some kind of space yard.
I guess it would take around 25-30 years to invent and build this space yard.
The construction of this spaceship will be in two steps.
Step 1. The construction of the skeleton
Step 2. All the rest inside and outside on the spaceship
Guess it would take 20-25 years to build.
We WILL as the building progress go ahead develop new ideas to build things in space.
Markus
Rockstar
05-16-21, 08:31 PM
Wondering what we'll find? You will need a pretty good computer with lots of RAM and space for the big 1.19 GM photo.
Hubble Legacy Field
The image mosaic presents a wide portrait of the distant universe and contains roughly 265,000 galaxies. They stretch back through 13.3 billion years of time to just 500 million years after the universe's birth in the big bang. The tiny, faint, most distant galaxies in the image are similar to the seedling villages from which today's great galaxy star-cities grew. The faintest and farthest galaxies are just one ten-billionth the brightness of what the human eye can see.
The wider view contains about 30 times as many galaxies as in the Hubble Ultra Deep Field, taken in 2004. The new portrait, a mosaic of multiple snapshots, covers almost the width of the full Moon. Lying in this region is the XDF, which penetrated deeper into space than this legacy field view. However, the XDF field covers less than one-tenth of the full Moon's diameter.
https://hubblesite.org/contents/media/images/2019/17/4492-Image.html
Buddahaid
05-16-21, 09:53 PM
The answer is ... "flat". Like the Earth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNqNnUJVcVs
I'm OK with flat but your model is upside down!
It's not my model. I move much, much slower than light. Therefore: I live on a lumpy oblate spheroid.
Before we can start constructing a spaceship we have do invent a few things.
One of them is a space robots-Same type our car industries use-but these will be made for use in space.
Some kind of space yard.
I guess it would take around 25-30 years to invent and build this space yard.
The construction of this spaceship will be in two steps.
Step 1. The construction of the skeleton
Step 2. All the rest inside and outside on the spaceship
Guess it would take 20-25 years to build.
We WILL as the building progress go ahead develop new ideas to build things in space.
Markus I think we have to discover our planet deeply before any " unknown number of experience in space", after that little moment we are ready to meet new recipe.
I think we have to discover our planet deeply before any " unknown number of experience in space", after that little moment we are ready to meet new recipe.
Welcome back min svenska vän.
You're right, we must take care of our own world before we boldly go into the interstellar space.
Markus
Welcome back min svenska vän.
You're right, we must take care of our own world before we boldly go into the interstellar space.
Markus Tack Markus!
Challenge are encouraging and huge for mankind that for sure, however it's always a advantage to catch and carry on with a mix of exploration so long this not interfere what we doing on Tellus!
Aktungbby
05-17-21, 11:33 AM
Gerald!:Kaleun_Salute: good to see U 'warping' back to :subsim:
The answer is ... "flat". Like the Earth:
I direct you to my signature. They can't take a joke at all!
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