Father pulls daughter out of school.

[Rockstar]

A New York father pulls his daughter out of Brearley with a message to the whole school. Is the dam starting to break?

https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/you-have-to-read-this-letter



I was planning to publish a roundup today of the many thoughtful responses to Paul Rossi’s essay (https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/i-refuse-to-stand-by-while-my-students). I’m going to save that post for Sunday, because I was just sent this letter that has my jaw on the floor. It was written by a Brearley parent named Andrew Gutmann.


If you don’t know about Brearley, it’s a private all-girls school on the Upper East Side of Manhattan. It costs $54,000 a year and prospective families apparently have to take an “anti-racism pledge (https://freebeacon.com/campus/nyc-private-school-requires-parents-to-outline-commitment-to-anti-racism-attend-anti-racist-training/)” to be considered for admission. (In the course of my reporting for this piece (https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/the-miseducation-of-americas-elites) I spoke to a few Brearley parents.)


Gutmann chose to pull his daughter, who has been in the school since kindergarten, and sent this missive to all 600 or so families in the school earlier this week. Among the lines:
If Brearley’s administration was truly concerned about so-called “equity,” it would be discussing the cessation of admissions preferences for legacies, siblings, and those families with especially deep pockets. If the administration was genuinely serious about “diversity,” it would not insist on the indoctrination of its students, and their families, to a single mindset, most reminiscent of the Chinese Cultural Revolution...

[Skybird]

True in different forms and contexts in so many other places, countries and situations, too.

:Kaleun_Applaud:
That letter has lots of gunpowder in it, so much is certain.

[Platapus]

Pulling a kid from an expensive private school


First. World. Problems.

[AVGWarhawk]

Pulling a kid from an expensive private school


First. World. Problems.

Public schools will worse for his daughter. However, with that kind of money to drop for private school I would think a private tutor can be hired on. :yeah:

[3catcircus]

Pulling a kid from an expensive private school


First. World. Problems.

Well, it's also a 3rd world problem. And a middle class problem.

When you indoctrinate a generation of woke idiots who don't have the critical thinking skills to work a fast food job and you put them in charge because of their privilege, it hurts everyone. We've already got that now - how many elite private school wunderkind have infected the ranks of industry C-suites, executive-level positions in government, and tenured professorships? We don't need any more.

[Catfish]

So, pledging to be against racism is indoctrination on students.

For a bit of solace, most private schools and such are still right-wing, racist and not "infected by high school wunderkinds". The politically right is right where the money is, and the rich know this very well. Thinking and especially critical thinking is by all means not the right wing's forte.

[3catcircus]

So, pledging to be against racism is indoctrination on students.

For a bit of solace, most private schools and such are still right-wing, racist and not "infected by high school wunderkinds". The politically right is right where the money is, and the rich know this very well. Thinking and especially critical thinking is by all means not the right wing's forte.

You really have *no* idea what you are talking about if you are referring to schools in the US. The elite private schools in NY and LA are infested with leftists - both faculty/staff and parents.

And let's stop with the "racism." The word is discounted to now mean only "your ideas are not in accordance with leftist party doctrine.". Anyone who doesn't toe the social marxist party line is labeled a racist.

The rest of us are done with their bullsh!t.

[3catcircus]

Public schools will worse for his daughter. However, with that kind of money to drop for private school I would think a private tutor can be hired on. :yeah:

With that scratch, I'd just as soon start up my own private school with traditional values. And I'd offer it at a discount compared to my woke competition.

[u crank]

So, pledging to be against racism is indoctrination on students.

Yes. It is part of the Critical Race Theory that is presented as the singular lens through which one ought to see the world. In CRT, race is a social construct, enforced by those in power (white men), and predetermines someone’s role and ability in society. It begins from the assumption that racism is an ordinary part of every aspect of life in our societies. It looks for racism in every situation and interaction. It is as illiberal an idea as you could have. It creates the idea that certain groups of people are doomed to be perpetual victims. It is pure poison.

Why not take a pledge to not be a serial killer? Or not to cheat on your taxes? Or be a rapist?

Asking people to take such a pledge makes an assumption that shouldn't be made.

[Catfish]

^ i see it more as an oath. like in the military. I would not say that this is superfluous. The oath, i mean :O:

Asking people to take such a pledge makes an assumption that shouldn't be made.
But it seems some of this school saw it necessary, to make a stance in these times, i wonder how they got the idea, especially after some recent events.
B.t.w. I do not like private schools, most do not really offer a better education, but better networking and connections that help them later. I still think especially among private schools the aforementioned pledge is quite rare among them.

[u crank]

^ i see it more as an oath. like in the military. I would not say that this is superfluous. The oath, i mean :O:


People in the military who take an oath are adults and they do so because they have chosen to join up. These are children. Big difference.

[Skybird]

If claimed - but never proven - reasons of reason are only used as an alibi in order to spread ideology in truth, then this maneuver serves exclusively to nip any argumentative resistance in the bud and to underhandedly obtain unconditional submission in spirit. Suggestive language is criticized immediately in court - in the war of the left activists for the sovereignty of interpretation, it is the silver bullet.


And dare you never to point that gun at themselves! The whole wolfpack immediatly is going after you.

[August]

So, pledging to be against racism is indoctrination on students.


You may not admit it but it certainly is indoctrination, along with any other social pledge forced upon students, like not taking drugs or having sex or being "green" or "woke" or voting for a particular party, whatever it is, because you know that they all come with a mandatory class with tests and grades that can last hours, days or even the entire school year. That is indoctrination no matter which way you look at it.



For a bit of solace, most private schools and such are still right-wing, racist and not "infected by high school wunderkinds". The politically right is right where the money is, and the rich know this very well.
What do you know about what most private schools are like, especially here in America? Are you in possession of some kind of evidence to back your specious statement? FWIW at the private school campus' that I have worked on as a contractor these past 40 years, and there are a lot of them around here, the left is more that well represented. In fact they are the majority of the administration and faculty at all of these fine institutions, just as they are the majority in the public schools and universities that I have done work at as well. So forgive me but i'm having a bit of a difficult time believing you there.



Thinking and especially critical thinking is by all means not the right wing's forte.
Well, :03: I believe it's much more true that the left wing consists of thuggish losers whose only serious thinking is confined to plotting increasingly evil ways to steal from others because they are too stupid and lazy to figure out how to earn it themselves. So there you go. Hyperbole broadside returned! :)

[August]

Pulling a kid from an expensive private school


First. World. Problems.


So what, less valid? What World you living in?

[August]

Public schools will worse for his daughter. However, with that kind of money to drop for private school I would think a private tutor can be hired on. :yeah:


Yeah and that might actually be a better option given that while there are probably other private schools for a guy like that to chose from they may not be any different than that one.

[MaDef]

In CRT, race is a social construct, enforced by those in power (white men), and predetermines someone’s role and ability in society. What Jackass came up with that cockamamie idea?

[Catfish]

^ This is only how u crank wants to explain it.
[...] part of the Critical Race Theory that is presented as the singular lens through which one ought to see the world. In CRT, race is a social construct, enforced by those in power (white men), and predetermines someone’s role and ability in society. It begins from the assumption that racism is an ordinary part of every aspect of life in our societies. It looks for racism in every situation and interaction. [...]
"Presented through a singular lens"? How about that there is now any look like this at all from another angle, after centuries of uncommented and taken-for-granted superiority of white men? Pointing out that there is systemic racism and daring to criticise this, is "illiberal"?

So "CRT" is wrong? Not completely i'd say. Denying and just not addressing it does not mean it is all cloud cuckoo land.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/how-we-rise/2020/06/11/systemic-racism-and-america-today/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_the_United_States

[Catfish]

You may not admit it but it certainly is indoctrination, along with any other social pledge forced upon students, like not taking drugs or having sex or being "green" or "woke" or voting for a particular party, whatever it is, because you know that they all come with a mandatory class with tests and grades that can last hours, days or even the entire school year. That is indoctrination no matter which way you look at it.
All that influences children and what children learn can be called "indoctrination". Pointing out obvious and reasonable rules for living together is bad then, or "indoctrination"? Even kids are clever enough to see and point out injustice, right, but there should be some guidelines. Common sense and behaviour is not self-evident today.

[...] that I have worked on as a contractor these past 40 years, and there are a lot of them around here, the left is more that well represented. In fact they are the majority of the administration and faculty at all of these fine institutions, just as they are the majority in the public schools and universities that I have done work at as well. So forgive me but i'm having a bit of a difficult time believing you there. I forgive you :O:

1st: being against racism and teaching to, and demanding this from children is "left"?
2nd: Most private schools are "left" in the US? That is indeed new to me, but maybe you should not point at this one school and then generalize it for all others. (also when it comes to what is "left" your mileage may vary.)
3rd: The "left" is the majority in administration, faculty, public schools, universities everywhere?
But then

[...] I believe it's much more true that the left wing consists of thuggish losers whose only serious thinking is confined to plotting increasingly evil ways to steal from others because they are too stupid and lazy to figure out how to earn it themselves [...] Sounds a bit like a contradiction if those "lefties" have made it to all those positions.

Being against racism is self-evident you say, and it should not be necessary to pledge to be against it. I agree. But i think it is necessary. That all are against racism is not so self evident as we have seen recently.

[u crank]

All that influences children and what children learn can be called "indoctrination". Pointing out obvious and reasonable rules for living together is bad then, or "indoctrination"? Even kids are clever enough to see and point out injustice, right, but there should be some guidelines. Common sense and behaviour is not self-evident today.

Is that what they are doing? Forcing children to take a pledge is reasonable? Assuming that all white people are racists is reasonable? The big lie is that America is systemically racist. If that is true then the current President is a racist. All the Left wing Democrat run states and cities must be racist. Hollywood, big tech industries, pro sports, media etc. must be racist. Of course none of that is true. It is a big lie pushed for purely political reasons. If America is not systemically racist the Democrat party loses one of its main talking points. And its ability to brand every Republican they don't like as a racist.

One of the main concepts of Critical Race Theory is "First, that white supremacy (societal racism) exists and maintains power through the law" There are no laws at any level of government in the USA that discriminates against any racial group. That would be illegal and easily reversed if so.

From the Wiki article on CRT. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_race_theory#:~:text=Critical%20race%20the ory%20(CRT)%20is,liberal%20approaches%20to%20racia l%20justice.

-Critique of liberalism: CRT scholars question foundational liberal concepts such as Enlightenment rationality, legal equality, and Constitutional neutrality, and challenge the incrementalist, step-by-step approach of traditional civil-rights discourse; they favor a race-conscious approach to social transformation, rejecting liberal embrace of affirmative action, color blindness, role modeling, or the merit principle; and an approach that relies more on political organizing, in contrast to liberalism's reliance on rights-based remedies.

If anyone is a Liberal that should be very disturbing.

[3catcircus]

Is that what they are doing? Forcing children to take a pledge is reasonable? Assuming that all white people are racists is reasonable? The big lie is that America is systemically racist. If that is true then the current President is a racist. All the Left wing Democrat run states and cities must be racist. Hollywood, big tech industries, pro sports, media etc. must be racist. Of course none of that is true. It is a big lie pushed for purely political reasons. If America is not systemically racist the Democrat party loses one of its main talking points. And its ability to brand every Republican they don't like as a racist.

One of the main concepts of Critical Race Theory is "First, that white supremacy (societal racism) exists and maintains power through the law" There are no laws at any level of government in the USA that discriminates against any racial group. That would be illegal and easily reversed if so.

From the Wiki article on CRT. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_race_theory#:~:text=Critical%20race%20the ory%20(CRT)%20is,liberal%20approaches%20to%20racia l%20justice.



If anyone is a Liberal that should be very disturbing.

The authors of CRT found a way to profit off of the false claim of systemic racism. They're scam artists; nothing more, nothing less.

If systemic racism actually existed, then someone like Kaepernick wouldn't have a knee to kneel on in protest in the NFL - he would've never been allowed into U Nevada to play college ball to begin with.

[August]

2nd: Most private schools are "left" in the US? That is indeed new to me,
but maybe you should not point at this one school


It's new to you? Are you some sort of authority on the political leanings of private schools in my country? I've lived for years in your country, have dozens of relatives over there and I would never be so arrogant as to lecture them about their own country.

And where did you get the idea I was talking about one school? I've worked in dozens them around here over the past 40 plus years, both as an outside contractor and as a faculty member.



and then generalize it for all others. (also when it comes to what is "left" your mileage may vary.)



3rd: The "left" is the majority in administration, faculty, public schools, universities everywhere?
But then

Sounds a bit like a contradiction if those "lefties" have made it to all those positions.

Being against racism is self-evident you say, and it should not be necessary to pledge to be against it. I agree. But i think it is necessary. That all are against racism is not so self evident as we have seen recently.


Oh I see some kind of loyalty oath is all that it takes to get you Germans into lockstep right? Will this stupid attempt to indoctrinate peoples feelings be effective in preventing other types of crimes like robbery or murder? If not why not? I mean who knew all we had to do to prevent racism was make kids promise to be nice? :roll:

[Catfish]

^ Good old Godwin argument, if all fails it's Germans into lockstep, i wonder whether you talk to your german relatives that way.

True is i don't know about private schools in the US, but usually private schools and pricy Internate or boarding/residential schools in Europe are seldomly "left". Maybe in the US some overreact a bit when it comes to race and such, in the light of those recent events?

Alright, a pledge is the wrong way. So, if people behave in a certain way they should just be thrown out after some warnings? No reaction at all? But then for a school to be able to do either you need some legal background.
Whatever if this is not the right way what do you propose to educate / make people behave less racist / make people aware that racism is anything but absent in daily life?

[August]

^ Good old Godwin argument, if all fails it's Germans into lockstep, i wonder whether you talk to your german relatives that way.


Oh i'm sorry that argument is invalid. You guys completely destroyed the Godwin defense forever these past 4 years in your eagerness to paint Trump as some kind of hitlerz second coming. A countryman of yours is even still claiming that our military is awash with budding neo fascists so sorry if you folks want to play that then expect some return fire when appropriate, like in this instance.


True is i don't know about private schools in the US, but usually private schools and pricy Internate or boarding/residential schools in Europe are seldomly "left". Maybe in the US some overreact a bit when it comes to race and such, in the light of those recent events?


I don't know, all I can say is the USA is not Europe.



Alright, a pledge is the wrong way. So, if people behave in a certain way they should just be thrown out after some warnings? No reaction at all? But then for a school to be able to do either you need some legal background.


Dude you're moving the goalposts. Either this "certain way" is illegal or against the schools charter and justifies some kind of disciplinary action or it's not, and please explain how a universal pledge would give the school some improved capability of dealing with such problems.



"You claimed not to be a racist in that pledge back in your freshman year and now you have broken that pledge by ____________ so therefore the school can now impose ____________ as punishment."


Fill in the blanks.





Whatever if this is not the right way what do you propose to educate / make people behave less racist / make people aware that racism is anything but absent in daily life?


Educate is far different than make which is another word for "force" and not just stop them from doing things already illegal but force them to change their minds! But you don't call that indoctrination no sir! :roll:


You want to know that I propose? How about our government stop constantly quantifying and subdividing us by race. How about our leaders stop playing one race off against the other in their lust for power. Those alone would go a long way.

[Catfish]

The argument is invalid because some said that Trump is Hitler? I didn't. I take it the latter was evil but not half as dumb. Also i gave a sh!t Trump's 'policies', he had none apart from trying to appear as popular as possible for the right wing, and saying anything he thought his fan base would like to hear, while trying to present himself as "the greatest" and cashing in donations personally.. while destroying the republican party.

So it is a bad thing to have laws or to demand pledges against things that are obviously wrong you said, or that are self-evident.
Lots of laws against criminals, but maybe they should "just behave" or "be educated". I generally agree now please 1st explain how you do that and 2nd why don't anyone even try to educate them, and make those laws against wrongdoing superfluous. Is there a law against publicly displaying the swastika? Why if it is all self-evident.

Re the OP:
So this father pulled his daughter out of school because he feared she is brainwashed and being pushed into being "left" or "liberal" (while i think there is a difference)
It really seems that education might give you a perspective you would not have otherwise, and teach you to think in different ways, to see things from another viewpoint. Better close them all.

[HunterICX]

Racism has become a meaningless overused term.

I'd be pissed too if I was to be forced to take a pledge and take a anti-racist training course. Just like with religion what you believe in is fine by me just leave me bloody out of it. I have my opinions and believes and you have yours if you can respect that from eachother then I see no problem. I'm not a racist, I don't care what you are in terms of skin colour, religion, ethnicity, sex and sexuality. I do have however opinions and do not act like a singular being thinking the same as others and if some do have problems with that or are offended by things I say then that's their problem....not mine.

What does annoy me is that what we get is a shopping list of things we can't do, say or think about because some find it offensive and get outraged. A lot of people are spending way to much time HUNTING on what's offensive to them and cry that they're offended rather then just stick to their own lives and mind their own business.

I think it's wrong for a school to force their students to pledge to anything and take a unnecessary training courses because it's a waste of resources and could be better spend by educating their students and allow them to develop their own mindsets and ideas.

[AVGWarhawk]

Racism has become a meaningless overused term.



FTW! It really has!

[Jimbuna]

The final nail in the coffin for me was when we were introduced to BLM when in fact I personally reckon ALL LIVES MATTER

[AVGWarhawk]

The final nail in the coffin for me was when we were introduced to BLM when in fact I personally reckon ALL LIVES MATTER

The US is on a path of solving racism with using racism to do so. What will critical race theory solve? Our schools and colleges are some of the chief perpetrators.

[Catfish]

re Jim: I see it a bit different. Black people (or brown or whatever grade of pigmentation applies) have been abducted, enslaved, subdued, segregated and generally treated at least (uh hu) different than white people, for centuries.
At least segregation and the discrimination were still well present in the 1970ies, not only in the US of course, and not everywhere in the US, ok.

After things went a bit calmer it now seems that the prejudice and behaviour towards coloured people is cooking up again, and it certainly triggers an outburst of anger when murder of whatever degree happens. Can you imagine what would have happened with Chauvin if the girl would not have filmed it? Not a year ago i read in a US forum that some man did "not want to work with blacks because [they] dislike them", and alot of other forum members chimed in.

So after centuries of abuse and denigration and this whole BS cooking up again some decide to create the "Black lives matter" idea.

Which is of course not meant in the way that only black lives matter, they want to make people aware of the general situation of prejudice and racism. Of course they could have called it "black lives also matter" but i guess that would not have hit home.

After years and centuries they now exclaim that black lives matter, and the good old white boys from across the street are throwing a tantrum because .. what exactly?
I really wonder what is going on in the minds of some :doh:

[August]

re Jim: I see it a bit different. Black people (or brown or whatever grade of pigmentation applies) have been abducted, enslaved, subdued, segregated and generally treated at least (uh hu) different than white people, for centuries.
At least segregation and the discrimination were still well present in the 1970ies, not only in the US of course, and not everywhere in the US, ok.

After things went a bit calmer it now seems that the prejudice and behaviour towards coloured people is cooking up again, and it certainly triggers an outburst of anger when murder of whatever degree happens. Can you imagine what would have happened with Chauvin if the girl would not have filmed it? Not a year ago i read in a US forum that some man did "not want to work with blacks because [they] dislike them", and alot of other forum members chimed in.

So after centuries of abuse and denigration and this whole BS cooking up again some decide to create the "Black lives matter" idea.

Which is of course not meant in the way that only black lives matter, they want to make people aware of the general situation of prejudice and racism. Of course they could have called it "black lives also matter" but i guess that would not have hit home.

After years and centuries they now exclaim that black lives matter, and the good old white boys from across the street are throwing a tantrum because .. what exactly?
I really wonder what is going on in the minds of some :doh:


"Good old white boys"? AVG is right. You are trying to use racism to defeat racism and I don't think you even realize it.

[AVGWarhawk]

After years and centuries they now exclaim that black lives matter, and the good old white boys from across the street are throwing a tantrum because .. what exactly?
I really wonder what is going on in the minds of some :doh:

You missed the primary target on what BLM started as and what it has become. BLM from my readings(living it) began as a result of police overwhelming poor outcomes(death) for blacks with something as simple as a traffic stop. Rodney King beatings at the hands of the police in the 80s was never a "isolated" incident. There is a long line of Rodney Kings that started before Rodney King and continued well into the 21 century. BLM is drawing attention to this problem and rightly so.

Perhaps the good old white boy does not grasp what BLM is working towards? But the good old boy like many people get their views on certain social unrest from the media that paints it anyway they like. Has BLM grown more than just protest for police reform? It appears depending where one gets their new sources.

[3catcircus]

re Jim: I see it a bit different. Black people (or brown or whatever grade of pigmentation applies) have been abducted, enslaved, subdued, segregated and generally treated at least (uh hu) different than white people, for centuries.
At least segregation and the discrimination were still well present in the 1970ies, not only in the US of course, and not everywhere in the US, ok.

After things went a bit calmer it now seems that the prejudice and behaviour towards coloured people is cooking up again, and it certainly triggers an outburst of anger when murder of whatever degree happens. Can you imagine what would have happened with Chauvin if the girl would not have filmed it? Not a year ago i read in a US forum that some man did "not want to work with blacks because [they] dislike them", and alot of other forum members chimed in.

So after centuries of abuse and denigration and this whole BS cooking up again some decide to create the "Black lives matter" idea.

Which is of course not meant in the way that only black lives matter, they want to make people aware of the general situation of prejudice and racism. Of course they could have called it "black lives also matter" but i guess that would not have hit home.

After years and centuries they now exclaim that black lives matter, and the good old white boys from across the street are throwing a tantrum because .. what exactly?
I really wonder what is going on in the minds of some :doh:

Let's be 100% clear. Black and brown people have been enslaving each other for centuries and they're *still* doing it. It's not a person's skin color.

Police interaction with the public in the US is in the millions of interactions each year. The number of black people who have an interaction that ends in their death by the police is infinitesimal. Of the 765 people who ended up being killed by the police in 2020, only 28% were black. The vast majority of them were white people.

One also must ask the question of why violence amongst the population is *overwhelmingly* perpetrated by African-Americans. In fact, black-on-black crime is overwhelmingly in the majority, usually involving male-on-male (i.e. gang violence).

We don't have such criminal acts being perpetrated by African immigrants, rather, African-Americans born in the US.

We overwhelmingly don't see the media reporting the race of a perpetrator of violent crime when that perpetrator is black.

It's not a skin color/racism problem. It's a refusal by American society to admit that the reforms instituted by LBJ have directly led to the destruction of the family unit in African-American homes, and the associated rise in antisocial behavior by people who don't have a father in the home - they see that casual sex, drug abuse, no respect for other people, and no requirement to work for the things you want, is rewarded by the government.

[3catcircus]

You missed the primary target on what BLM started as and what it has become. BLM from my readings(living it) began as a result of police overwhelming poor outcomes(death) for blacks with something as simple as a traffic stop. Rodney King beatings at the hands of the police in the 80s was never a "isolated" incident. There is a long line of Rodney Kings that started before Rodney King and continued well into the 21 century. BLM is drawing attention to this problem and rightly so.

Perhaps the good old white boy does not grasp what BLM is working towards? But the good old boy like many people get their views on certain social unrest from the media that paints it anyway they like. Has BLM grown more than just protest for police reform? It appears depending where one gets their new sources.

Given what investigation into Patrice Cullors has revealed so far, I'd argue that BLM was never anything other than a grift to begin with.

[AVGWarhawk]

Police interaction with the public in the US is in the millions of interactions each year. The number of black people who have an interaction that ends in their death by the police is infinitesimal. Of the 765 people who ended up being killed by the police in 2020, only 28% were black. The vast majority of them were white people.



But, if you do it by the numbers(more whites than blacks in the population) police encounters with blacks are greater statistically ending in death. This is one of the sticking points.

[AVGWarhawk]

Given what investigation into Patrice Cullors has revealed so far, I'd argue that BLM was never anything other than a grift to begin with.

So is the government of the US. :hmmm: BLM has become more that it was to be. It is also getting rotten elements as well. I think we find this in every type of group no matter the Boy Scouts or the Glee Club.

[AVGWarhawk]

Granted there are issues(some here for a long time) in our society. There is also good in our society. It is unfortunate the bad is always advertised.

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[Catfish]

^ AVGWarhawk Thanks for posting, i know that the majority of people live together without problems, on the contrary – as can be seen too. Of course the yellow press media are more interested in the more sensational/negative aspects.
Some good thoughts and getting a lot straight, making it all better understandable.

3catcircus wrote:
It's not a skin color/racism problem. It's a refusal by American society to admit that the reforms instituted by LBJ have directly led to the destruction of the family unit in African-American homes, and the associated rise in antisocial behavior by people who don't have a father in the home - [...]
Lyndon B. Johnson, what did he do/what happened that led to this?

[Jimbuna]

^ Possibly referring to the Civil Rights Act of 1964

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2015/07/02/day-history-president-lyndon-b-johnson-signed-civil-rights-act-1964

[AVGWarhawk]

^ Thanks for posting, i know that the majority of people live together without problems, on the contrary – as can be seen too. Of course the yellow press media are more interested in the more sensational/negative aspects.

3catcircus wrote:

Lyndon B. Johnson, what did he do/what happened that led to this?

Catfish, I had interesting years in college(1980s). My room mate is from NY. His mom Jamaican. His father black. We roomed together for our 4 years. I had witnessed many ways my room mate was treated differently. Odd as it was, if we walked into a predominantly black bar I was accepted(white guy) because I was hanging with a black guy. The same would go for my room mate. Predominantly white bar he would get a look but when the other patrons noticed he was with me it was all good. There was some bars we just did not go into no matter our color! My experiences in the social realm with my room mate opened my eyes to a lot. He was treated differently in many respects. But I can say without the doubt he is the most decent caring individual I have met in my 55 years on this mudball. It changed how I interact with people of any color. People are simply people to me. Looking for a fair shake, live the best they can, given an opportunity and be happy.

As a side note, my adopted sister is Korean. I had witnessed the crap kids would say to her(chink, slant eyes). I put a stop to that when I heard it. People can be cruel and for no good reason.

[mapuc]

There are hateful and racist in every races on our planet.

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

There are hateful and racist in every races on our planet.

Markus

And when one stands back to look at the big picture...one wonders why. There are a lot of stupid people in the world. Violence against Asians is on the rise. Many say because of COVID originating in China. What does the Asian woman walking down Main Street USA have to do with it? Why nothing but some feel she got something coming to her anyway.

[3catcircus]

Granted there are issues(some here for a long time) in our society. There is also good in our society. It is unfortunate the bad is always advertised.

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Ho hol hold on there. You can't be going against the predecided narrative the media wants to portray...

[AVGWarhawk]

Ho hol hold on there. You can't be going against the predecided narrative the media wants to portray...

Oh but I can because I don't watch the usual talking heads we all rail about. :D:yeah:

[3catcircus]

^ Possibly referring to the Civil Rights Act of 1964

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2015/07/02/day-history-president-lyndon-b-johnson-signed-civil-rights-act-1964

^^^

It's the unintended consequences. When you offer what're to people to help feed their families, but the law *doesn't* provide that help for families where both parents are in the home, it tends to promote situations dominated by single parent households. When you also pay more for each child, it tends to promote promiscuity.

When you take away welfare when those single parent households obtain employment, even if not sufficient on its own, it promotes no desire to find employment.

Lastly, the 3rd and 4th-order effects are that single parent households where a strong set of values and a work ethic aren't instilled produces children who grow up to see themselves as helpless victims dependent upon handouts and raging against others. Essentially, LBJ destroyed the progress made by MLK and others.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2014/03/the_decline_of_the_africanamerican_family.html

[GoldenRivet]

Pulling a kid from an expensive private school


First. World. Problems.

true... but also false

We sent the stepdaughter to a private school for a little over a year. found it surprisingly affordable. Especially since parents were able to volunteer to perform school maintenance, groundskeeping, donate food to the cafeteria and even perform cafeteria duties etc. in order to receive a reduction in tuition costs. My wife and I, for example, received a tuition break by going to the school after hours on certain days and restocking bathroom tissue, hand soap, hand towels and replacing the air filters in each building's air conditioning system.

My observations were that while there were some kids from affluent families... most of them came from working class families who really had to stretch their dollar to provide what they considered to be the best possible education for their kid.

Im here to tell you, you'd think it might be a bit humiliating for a kid to walk into the cafeteria and see his mom cooking behind the counter with other moms... but since the ingredients and the cooking were mostly provided by an all volunteer force who brought recipes from home... those kids ate like absolute royalty. :haha: