Iran's top nuclear scientist assassinated

[Jimbuna]

Iran's most senior nuclear scientist Mohsen Fakhrizadeh has been assassinated near the capital Tehran, the country's defence ministry has confirmed.

Fakhrizadeh died in hospital after an attack in Absard, in Damavand county.

Iran's Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif, has condemned the killing "as an act of state terror".

Western intelligence agencies view Fakhrizadeh as being behind Iran's secret nuclear weapons programme.

He was reportedly described as the "father of the Iranian bomb" by diplomats.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-55105934

Israel anyone?

[Buddahaid]

Seems likely although Iran would say that anyway.

[Aktungbby]

Well it wasn't a US drone strike as with the Iranian general in Iraq, so we're off the hook...this time. Four other Iranian nuclear scientist have also been assassinated.:hmmm: that adds up to a total 375 virgins(72 per:hmmm:) in paradise for their martyrdom! :O::oops::dead:

[mapuc]

No doubt Iran will blame Israel for this.

Who did I don't know-There are a few countries and groups who could have done it.

Markus

[Skybird]

Only thing that matters is whether it was done too late or just in time.

[mapuc]

And another thing.

What will Iran do as revenge ?
If Israel is behind, will they send rockets towards Israel? I don't think so.

I think they will attack Israel by proxy.

Markus

[Rockstar]

Israel anyone? Well it makes good headlines and I'm sure thats how Iran would love for us and the Muslim world to see it. Especially with Israel's recent alliances with certain Suuni kingdoms.

However, maybe something else is going on that has been in the works now for decades.

In 2001 the United States was attacked by terrorists in September. Interestingly, shortly afterwards in 2002 a group called the Mujahedin-e-Khalq said it had uncovered Iranian nuclear facilities at Natanz. Being after 911 the thought probably scared the hell out of western governments that further attacks could be carried out with nuclear weapons. It may have been the real reason coalition force went into Iraq the next year. Why Iraq and not Iran? The odds of successfully carrying out such an attack on Iran would most likely have been insurmountable and probably still is.

In 2012 President Obama removed Mujahedin-e-Khalq from terrorist list.

In 2016 Secretary of State John Kerry thanks the government and NATO member of Albania for resettling members of the Iranian opposition group Mujahedin e Khalq.

Today reports that Trump is unstable and wants war because he lost an election is for the consumption of the village idiots of the world and was in my honest opinion just very good propaganda. Which I'm sure has once again placed Iranian officials on high alert. Even so a group of rebels probably backed by NATO and the Saudis were still able to attack and kill one Iran's leading scientists. The Ayatollah's must be sharting twinkies about now.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf7VPklv8GY

[mapuc]

What about Turkey ?

They are Iran's closes allied.

I guess they will stay calm behind the political scene.

Markus

[Mr Quatro]

Only thing that matters is whether it was done too late or just in time.

Good point, but remember it was just a few days ago that Trump asked his military advisors what his options were :o

[Jimbuna]

If anything is going to happen I'd expect it to be over the forthcoming holiday period for maximum effect.

I would also reckon Israel would welcome the opportunity to retaliate should they be the target.

[Skybird]

There is a regime change in Washington. Israel acted while it still could without the new big white house boss becoming angry.

Or it was the little boy, to say Sayonara to his Iranian buddies while the new big white house boss has not yet arrived.

Iran hopes that under Biden sanctions will get lifted and their nuclear porgram is given more room to breath again. They will not directly retaliate against Israel, so to not anger the new big white house boss.

[Catfish]

[...]
In 2001 the United States was attacked by terrorists in September. Interestingly, shortly afterwards in 2002 a group called the Mujahedin-e-Khalq said it had uncovered Iranian nuclear facilities at Natanz. Being after 911 the thought probably scared the hell out of western governments that further attacks could be carried out with nuclear weapons. It may have been the real reason coalition force went into Iraq the next year. Why Iraq and not Iran? The odds of successfully carrying out such an attack on Iran would most likely have been insurmountable and probably still is.v [...]
While the rest of your post makes sense, i still wonder why the US attacked Iraq instead of Iran if the latter was the real threat?
Following this logic the US could have attacked Andorra or San Marino as well. :hmmm:

[Rockstar]

There is a regime change in Washington. Israel acted while it still could without the new big white house boss becoming angry.

Or it was the little boy, to say Sayonara to his Iranian buddies while the new big white house boss has not yet arrived.

Iran hopes that under Biden sanctions will get lifted and their nuclear porgram is given more room to breath again. They will not directly retaliate against Israel, so to not anger the new big white house boss.

History points to decades of intel, sanctions, doctrines, military intervention, funding and even lining up a new regime for Iran. Beginning with Bush all the way through Obama, Trump U.S. and NATO. I dont believe Israel, one nation out the entire world, had to act before Biden gets in. It smells just like one of those Jewish world domination conspiracy theories.

Most likely whoever it was that attacked Fakhrizadeh in Iran was a resistance group or an affiliation with said group funded and backed by NATO. My guess https://english.mojahedin.org/i/primer-the-history-the-peoples-mojahedin-organization-iran

Who is Biden going to make a deal with anyway? Not even Europe seems to be in a rush until at least the Iranian elections in June, IF there is an election.
Sporadic but violent street protests have rocked the nation since late 2018. For the first time since the Islamic RepublicÂ’s foundation in 1979, a broad coalition of the population, from conservatives to liberals, urban and rural, have flooded the streets calling for the establishment of a secular democratic state. A minority of protestors have even called for the restoration of the Pahlavi monarchy, under the late ShahÂ’s son.

[mapuc]

According to Swedish news Iran will revenge this killing.

I'm not an expert so how, when and where I can't say.

I have the same standpoint as Skybird a direct attack on Israel will not happen.

Markus

[Skybird]

Taking out 5 targets simultaneously and coordinating the assassinations accordingly is more than the usual resistance groups are capable to acchieve, in intel and in coordination. It was Israel, or the US. Probably Israel. The US uses drones, like Russia uses poison and Israel uses shooting assassinations or bombs. Leaving a signature, is wanted, because it sends a message. Call it non-verbal communicating.

[u crank]

Call it non-verbal communicating.

:har:

Good one man. Very good.:up:

[Rockstar]

While the rest of your post makes sense, i still wonder why the US attacked Iraq instead of Iran if the latter was the real threat?
Following this logic the US could have attacked Andorra or San Marino as well. :hmmm:


Good question. To be honest I really dont know why, its been one big mess over there for the last several centuries. Maybe because Iran is a much larger country and the terrain more varied. Could have made logistics and decisive operations like 73 Easting kind of difficult. There would have also been sympathetic shiite populations in Iraq to our rear. Getting stuck in the middle could have turned out to be a major charlie foxtrot.

On the other hand Iraq has always been deeply divided and after Kuwait invasion was ripe for regime change. Now was invasion to free Kuwait or part of some long term plan to confront Iran and its nuclear ambitions. Maybe China's creeping influence butting heads with our Carter doctrine which dictates we protect the oil resources in the middle east I dont really know. Could have been all three and more reasons together. Whatever the case we are knocking on Iran's front door now from Iraq and Afghanistan. Couple that with sanctions, internal anti-government protests, and resistance groups killing off government officials and scientists inside Iran seems to be chipping away at things. No rush though we got all day.

As for Israel, yes they may have contributed something, intel maybe? But I dont think its enough for me to hop on the same bandwagon as the Iranian Red Guard and blame Israel for the attack.

[Mr Quatro]

@ Catfish, because the first Bush didn't finish the job and go all the way to Bagdad ... so his son steps in a finishes the job.

Iran is still cruising for a bruising and will find out sooner or later why we call our fighter jets Hornets :yep:


When did Iraq attack Kuwait?

August 2, 1990 – August 4, 1990


What happened between Iraq and Kuwait?

After a series of failed negotiations between major world powers and Iraq, the United States-led coalition forces launched a massive military assault on Iraq and Iraqi forces stationed in Kuwait in mid-January 1991. ... Hostilities continued until late February and on 25 February, Kuwait was officially liberated from Iraq.

Why did the US attack Iraq in 2003?

The 2003 invasion of Iraq was the first stage of the Iraq War. ... According to U.S. President George W. Bush and UK Prime Minister Tony Blair, the coalition aimed "to disarm Iraq of weapons of mass destruction, to end Saddam Hussein's support for terrorism, and to free the Iraqi people."

[Sean C]

I got a strong feeling of déjà-vu when I read this thread title, and I don't know why.

[Skybird]

Regarding Irag and Iran two factors must be considered for understanding why the region is such a hellhole.

First, the war between Shia and Sunni, and the ethnic tensions linked to that.

Second the artificial borderdrawing by colonial masters from the West who set these lines on maps in explicit ignorration of ethnic distribution patterns on the ground, ripping apart what belonged together and forced together what does not go well together.

Bush sn's premature ending of the second Gulf War, was stupid, cynical, and short-sighted.

Bush jn's triggering of a war against Iraq while it had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks, was even more stupid. The lies used to defend it, were blatant. The ammount of naivety and incompetent plannign for the time after, was breathtaking. The mess Iraq today is in, is a result of this dilettantism.

The new "friendship" between Israel and Arab nations, is not really friendship, but owes to the perception of a shared enemy, Iran, and narcissism of Arab leaders who want to boast with F35s. The general antisemitic sentiment against Jews are not affected by all this, Islam's hostility against Jews (any everything not being Islam's) lives on. The situaiton has a certain effect of containign Turkey, which slowly raises to one of the biggest troublemakers.

[Jimbuna]

No surprises in the fact that Hassan Rouhani has blamed Israel for the assassination (see link below)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-55111064

But parts of his announcement which includes wording such as "Iran would retaliate over Mohsen Fakhrizadeh's killing at a time of its choosing."
" would respond in due course" "would not push Iran into making hasty decisions." "In due time, they will answer for this crime"

Leads me to believe they will bide their time and prepare to attack a 'soft' target rather then anything major such as launching missiles into Israel.

Possibly even the bombing of an Israeli embassy.

Whatever it is I am confident Israel will retaliate using superior force.

[Rockstar]

... Bush sn's premature ending of the second Gulf War, was stupid, cynical, and short-sighted.


Bush Sr. had the backing and participation of the U.N., Egypt, U.K., Canada, Saudi Arabia, Argentina, France, Syria and dozens of other nations for the specific reason of removing Iraqi forces from Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.

The so called second war by Bush Jr. wasn't nearly as popular. But we went to oust an increasingly troublesome dictator. Could have been we went in to remove a loose cannon and tie up incriminating loose ends, maybe the fear of a nuclear 911 influenced the decision to get closer to Iran and squash their ambitions, or the Carter Doctrine dictated we expand our presence to head off Chinese and Russian influence in the region or any combination thereof. We'll probably never know for sure and I bet there's a truck load more going on than we'll ever know.

Iraq was already divided and once Hussein was ousted it was inevitable that new borders would develop between the predominate Shiite tribe and the minority Suuni and Kurdish tribes. As for ending the war it can be said overt military aggression has ceased. But coalition forces are still operating in the area, still building bases and expanding our presence there. We never left, and I think until Iran's current leadership is replaced with someone more to our (coalition) liking we're going to remain in Iraq, and the predominately Suuni Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia.


The new "friendship" between Israel and Arab nations, is not really friendship, but owes to the perception of a shared enemy, Iran, and narcissism of Arab leaders who want to boast with F35s. The general antisemitic sentiment against Jews are not affected by all this, Islam's hostility against Jews (any everything not being Islam's) lives on. The situaiton has a certain effect of containign Turkey, which slowly raises to one of the biggest troublemakers.I tend to agree, and likely why Shiite nations like Iran continue to blame Israel for everything going on to weaken those relations.

[Rockstar]

As for the idea Israel is training the fighters which attacked Mohsen Fakhrizadeh. I'd go short on that stock, byt anything is possible I suppose. I'm thinking there's no way in hell the militant Islamic M.E.K. or some other militant Islamic rebel groups are training in Israel to fight in Iran. Instead I'm thinking they'll be found in the European and NATO member state of Albania.

https://www.nejatngo.org/en/posts/7714

Bet ya'll didn't have a clue there are militant Shia Islamic 'freedom fighter' training camps in Europe.

https://www.nejatngo.org/en/posts/11183


And to top it off that simple li'l ol' loose knit tradin' union called the European Union? They're probably paying for it. :har:

EU-NATO cooperation constitutes an integral pillar of the EU’s work aimed at strengthening European security and defence. The partnership between the two organisations fosters the transatlantic bond, while EU defence initiatives contribute to Trans-Atlantic burden- sharing. A stronger EU and a stronger NATO are mutually reinforcingBut when your own media focuses your attention on things that really dont matter, you tend to miss out on those things that do.

[Commander Wallace]

Good question. To be honest I really dont know why, its been one big mess over there for the last several centuries. Maybe because Iran is a much larger country and the terrain more varied. Could have made logistics and decisive operations like 73 Easting kind of difficult. There would have also been sympathetic shiite populations in Iraq to our rear. Getting stuck in the middle could have turned out to be a major charlie foxtrot.

On the other hand Iraq has always been deeply divided and after Kuwait invasion was ripe for regime change. Now was invasion to free Kuwait or part of some long term plan to confront Iran and its nuclear ambitions. Maybe China's creeping influence butting heads with our Carter doctrine which dictates we protect the oil resources in the middle east I dont really know. Could have been all three and more reasons together. Whatever the case we are knocking on Iran's front door now from Iraq and Afghanistan. Couple that with sanctions, internal anti-government protests, and resistance groups killing off government officials and scientists inside Iran seems to be chipping away at things. No rush though we got all day.

As for Israel, yes they may have contributed something, intel maybe? But I dont think its enough for me to hop on the same bandwagon as the Iranian Red Guard and blame Israel for the attack.


This post and your other posts in this thread are about as good a break down and assessment as I have seen on the current situation in the Middle East. Thanks for your enlightening posts. :up:

[mapuc]

Saw the news here at 8. Iran will pick time and place for their revenge.

Hmm could they do another Iraq ?

Meaning they call the leaders in Israel telling them, that they are planning on sending 4-5 missile against Israel, but they will land in the desert.

I know will not happen a direct attack against Israel is out of discussion.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Meaning they call the leaders in Israel telling them, that they are planning on sending 4-5 missile against Israel, but they will land in the desert.





Can't see any point in that :doh:

[Mr Quatro]

Iran is more into fear ... they've already tested the delivery systems

Perhaps they will actually test a nuclear device somewhere underground just to show off which would then get brother Kim in NK the same idea to test his.

They don't really know where Biden stands yet ... this would give them some idea of how far they can go :yep:

[mapuc]

Can't see any point in that :doh:

You are right.

I saw the news at 8, well not the first 4 minutes and when I changed channel from my science to the news channel a journalist appeared on the screen, maybe standing in Teheran,

His first word I heard was...Like they attacked American bases in Iraq, we can only wait and see which response Iran will send

Then they returned to the studio and the news anchor

Markus

[Jimbuna]

I wouldn't fancy currently being in any Iranian underground nuclear facility.

You may be safe from a direct blast but being buried alive is certainly not my cup of tea should Israel strike.

[Rockstar]

Shamkhani blamed the Iranian exile group Mujahedeen-e-Khalq as well for “having a role in this,” without elaborating. The MEK, as the exile group is known, has been suspected of assisting Israeli operations in Iran in the past. Shahin Gobadi, an MEK spokesman, dismissed Shamkhani’s remarks as “rage, rancor and lies” sparked by the group’s earlier exposes over Iran’s nuclear program.
https://apnews.com/article/international-news-israel-iran-coronavirus-pandemic-tehran-88c2173048f77695af864d2055af54c6

I'm thinking they are just trying to discredit the Islamic Shiite MEK exiles by associating them with Israel. When everyone in the world, except Europeans, already knows they are sheltered and trained in Europe.

[mapuc]

I had forgotten all about Syria. Iran has military forces there.

So if Iran are going to revenge this killing some kind of attack may come from Syria.

Markus

[Aktungbby]

Four other Iranian nuclear scientist have also been assassinated.:hmmm: that adds up to a total 375 virgins(72 per:hmmm:) in paradise for their martyrdom! :O::oops::dead:

No doubt Iran will blame Israel for this.

Who did I don't know-There are a few countries and groups who could have done it.

Markus

If anything is going to happen I'd expect it to be over the forthcoming holiday period for maximum effect.

I would also reckon Israel would welcome the opportunity to retaliate should they be the target.BIG time!! and Iran can't send missiles against Israel as with attack on the Saudi oil refinery this time without severe consequences. Five dead nuclear scientists??!: Ace!:yep: Today's WSJ: Ruel Garecht editorial: Any American intelligence operative who’s worked on Iran has to tip his hat to Israel’s Mossad. The assassination Friday of Iran’s pre-eminent atomic-bomb scientist, Mohsen Fakhrizadeh, and, even more impressively, the warehouse heist of the clerical regime’s nuclear archive in January 2018, shows a level of risk-taking and accomplishment that has no U.S. parallel. In June there were large, damaging explosions at the Natanz uranium enrichment site, which probably weren’t caused by shoddy maintenance.
The Central Intelligence Agency hasn’t been a particularly bold organization in decades (the aggressive interrogation of al Qaeda members may be an exception). It isn’t only the timidity of the CIA’s senior management and Washington’s political class that enfeebles Langley; it’s the absence of a mission against a state-threatening foe that focuses the mind and attracts real talent. An Iran with nukes would threaten Israel’s existence, not America’s.
Israel has been lethally penetrating the Islamic Republic for at least a decade. Mossad now appears to have stationary surveillance and hit teams positioned in the country. Given the level of internal dissent, which has spread even among children of the original Iranian revolutionaries, it’s possible Israel has acquired valuable agents in Iran’s armed forces and security services.
Though the assassinations of Fakhrizadeh and others, such as Daryoush Rezainejad in 2011, may be the work of Iranian assets in Jerusalem’s employ—Kurds may be the most accessible and motivated—the archival theft is more likely an intrusion in which Israeli officers were on the ground in command. By comparison, it’s doubtful that the CIA has ever deployed a single nonofficial-cover officer inside Iran to sustain either intelligence collection or covert action since the failed Operation Eagle Claw hostage rescue in 1980. Fakhrizadeh had probably been an Israeli target for some time; the assassination’s timing might have been coincidental, dictated by a fortuitous intercept or piece of human intelligence that convinced Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to go for it. But the Israeli achievements, which have continued despite the Iranian regime’s repeated attempts to thwart them, mean that Jerusalem can play havoc with the Biden administration’s hoped-for nuclear diplomacy. The signal to Democratic Washington is unmistakable: Jerusalem has the means, even without a conventional air attack against Iran’s nuclear sites, to challenge the supreme leader and his praetorians, the Islamic Revolutionary Guards, who oversee both the nuclear and ballistic-missile programs, where it hurts most. If Israelis can kill Tehran’s most prized personnel and surreptitiously damage its guarded facilities, and Tehran can do little in response, then the clerical regime’s haybat, its unchallengeable awe, is degraded for all to see. For a regime that knows the extent of popular anger against it, that is a perilous situation.
Iran’s theocracy is deeply infected with conspiratorial anti-Semitism. Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei in particular has Jews on the brain, seeing concentric circles of enmity revolving around Zion. He has difficulty disconnecting Israeli actions from American consent. The Obama administration, with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in the lead, once spooked Israeli confidence about preventive military action against Iran’s nuclear program. This time, Jerusalem doesn’t have to be so ambitious.
American will to intervene in the Middle East is declining rapidly, and Israel’s position is significantly stronger than it was in 2012, when President Obama began secret negotiations with Tehran in Oman. Israel has Iran in a corner, and Ayatollah Khamenei is obviously scared to escalate. Beyond Mossad’s actions, the Israeli Air Force has been pummeling the Revolutionary Guards and their proxies in Syria, fundamentally challenging Iranian plans in the Levant. Tehran has done little about it.
Joe Biden’s people, who were Mr. Obama’s people, played down Israel’s concerns about the Islamic Republic’s nuclear ambitions and imperialism. Trying to get these officials to pay attention to the many unanswered questions about the regime’s militarization of nuclear research and gaping holes in the verification procedures of Mr. Obama’s atomic accord was a hapless task. American flirtations with “moderate” President Hassan Rouhani and Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif seemed to many Israelis a dance of naïfs.
Distance gives the U.S. the capacity to test theories about foreigners. Being a hegemon encouraged others to follow even when they had doubts. But the evident huge increase in Mossad operations inside Iran isn’t only a byproduct of President Trump’s sympathy. It is an early sign of a new post-American order. Mr. Biden and his officials may try to twist Jerusalem’s arm to go easier on Iran. Good luck. The president-elect’s looming defense cuts will be more telling. The Middle East is all about power politics, and Mossad has begun to show what a committed First World intelligence service can do against a Third World Islamist state whose own security apparatus is increasingly decrepit. Bottom line: in another 'proxy war' against a third rate Islamic dictatorship we have a first rate nuclear armed ally...

[Rockstar]

I had forgotten all about Syria. Iran has military forces there.

So if Iran are going to revenge this killing some kind of attack may come from Syria.

Markus




Something else to consider. Apparently Iranian exiles are being sheltered and trained to fight the current Iranian regime in Europe by NATO who is supported by the European Union. Do you think maybe that some of the terror attacks in Europe are Iranian backed 'revenge attacks' because of the E.U.'s support of the M.E.K.?

[mapuc]

Something else to consider. Apparently Iranian exiles are being sheltered and trained to fight the current Iranian regime in Europe by NATO who is supported by the European Union. Do you think maybe that some of the terror attacks in Europe are Iranian backed 'revenge attacks' because of the E.U.'s support of the M.E.K.?

This is new to me I didn't knew EU/NATO trained Iranian exiles. I know USA did it under Reagan.

It's a mess in this region. who's friends with who, who's enemy with who.....

In todays primetime news they had a longer issue about this crisis and this expert on Middle east said.

They fear that Trump may give order to a military strike on military and important buildings before he leave the White House or give Israel the go ahead to do the same.

Markus

[Rockstar]

Trump does seem to be a great distraction for you all over there. But I would have thought it should be common knowledge that Iranian exiles are being sheltered in Albania, a NATO member of which is supported by the European Union. The Mujahedeen Khalq the ones fighting the Ayatollahs and thought to be responsible for the death Mohsen Fakhrizadeh are among those exiles. What better way to get back at Europe to continue acts of terror against it?


Also keep in mind when your media says its a Trump war. It's actually all of us the E.U. Europe, NATO and U.S. involved.

[Skybird]

I must admit Rockstar's claims on Albania caught me on the wrong foot. But indeed:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-albania-iran-idUSKBN1X22CZ

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/03/13/world/iranian-dissidents-albania/


No Rockstar, this is not wellknown over here. I for exmaple heard it for the first time. Media presence of the story: nill.

[Aktungbby]

Forget agents from wherever; this was death by remote control!:ping::ping::ping: https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/11/30/11/36259932-0-image-a-39_1606735154410.jpg Mohsen Fakhrizadeh was travelling in convoy north of Tehran on Friday when an object struck his car, sources said, forcing it to stop as he got out to investigate. A remote-controlled machine gun mounted in a Nissan parked beside the road then opened fire, Iranian media reported, fatally shooting the scientist before the gun self-destructed. Fakhrizadeh then got out of the car(zig??!!) to check what was happening before the remote-controlled gun opened fire, Fars said. The nuclear scientist was shot twice in the side and once in the spine, killing him. A bodyguard who tried to shield Fakhrizadeh's body was also shot and wounded before the parked car exploded...Investigators also claimed to have identified the owner of the Nissan, who they said left the country on Sunday, two days after the attack took place...Iran has been caught in a quandary over how to respond to the assassination, with some urging immediate action while others - including President Hassan Rouhnai - urged patience. Iran is thought to fear that any tit-for-tat attack could force incoming President Joe Biden to backtrack on a pledge to renegotiate a nuclear deal with the country that Trump tore up. For Iran, the deal would mean the lifting of $anction$ which have crippled the country's economy and led to domestic unrest. Politic$ a$ u$ual imho:arrgh!: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9000327/Mohsen-Fakhrizadehs-funeral-takes-place-Tehran-Iran-vows-revenge.html

[Rockstar]

Media says therefore the masses thinks when Joe gets in office it equals the lifting of sanctions and a Western and Iranian bromance getting sloppy drunk and singing kumbaya together until the wee hours of the morning. However I still think the goal is regime change in Iran, forcing China's Silkroad to dead end and the west's control of both sides of the Straights of Hormuz. The way Carter saw it the middle east oil supply lines must be guarded, the flow uninterrupted and that's perfect because it gives our military industrial complex and U.S. largest employer a full time job. :haha:

[Mr Quatro]

This was just a warning shot from Israel to Iran to leave them alone.

These Jews are not going to sit around and wait for Iran to put a nuclear warhead on a missile programed to wipe out Israel.

Tit for tit and tat for tat will results in even more sabotaging of Iran's desires to wipe Israel off of the map. :yep:

[Jimbuna]

This was just a warning shot from Israel to Iran to leave them alone.

These Jews are not going to sit around and wait for Iran to put a nuclear warhead on a missile programed to wipe out Israel.

Tit for tit and tat for tat will results in even more sabotaging of Iran's desires to wipe Israel off of the map. :yep:

Pretty much how I see it :yep:

[Hartroff]

What about Turkey ?

They are Iran's closes allied.

I guess they will stay calm behind the political scene.

Markus

Ally? They are not ally. They are neighbors. Turkey has to live with them. There is a border between them. Turkey can not assume they are not there. Turkey's biggest problem is its geography and Erdogan:)

Mustafa Kemal Atatürk's followers are still very crowded and "peace at home, peace in the world" is still their view. But it seems it is not possible in the world's current state.

Turkey has seen better days and worst before. Iran was not like this once upon a time. They followed Ataturk's steps. Until...They both had to live under a very unsteady light/shadow of the Great Powers. If you have a leader like Ataturk it becomes light.