Salt

[Skybird]

I hope some of you can take benefit from this. Want to point your attention to salt, since I made so dramatically good experiences with it this year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTr3S2Bqlow

I red his book (in English, when I was finished I learned that it already was available in German...).

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0451496965/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=adnume-20&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=0451496965&linkId=8ae5fefa9bfd3f86a1c7018e3386cbe3

Boosting my salt consummation was one of the best things for my health I ever did, I have cleared/abandoned now two medical drugs I took before, and lowered the dose of two others by one half, while maintaining good health parameters (namely blood pressure) and even fundamentally improved one very signficiantly (lowering heart rate from insane levels to normal ones: for the first time ever in my life). Problems with ongoing degradation of my neural system also have slowed down. The reductions in meds may not be exclusively to salt reduction (but due to other supplementations I take), though the drop in heart rate most likely is.

Listen to the man, and read his book on salt, "The Salt Fix". He has done his homework, really, 50 of the 250 pages are nothign but sources for studies and articles formt he past 100 years (not quotes, just the sources...). Very thorough analysis of the literature and research done on salt since 1904. BE READY TO BE SHOCKED.

DiNicolantonio is cardiovascular research scientist and doctor of pharmacy. He works at Saint Luke's Mid America Heart Institute in Kansas City, Missouri, has authored over 200 scientific articles, is senior editor to BMJ's Open Heart Journal, and a much asked-for nutrition expert, namely on sugar and salt.

I know that what he says - by full 180° the opposite of what you have been told all your life about how healthy low salt is - must feel wrong and counter-intuitive to you, necessarily. Myself, I never cared for salt limitation, but I now add an extra salt boost to my breakfast of 3-4 grams. My blood pressure stayed low where it was, but I could halve the doses of two blood pressure drugs and abandoned the third. My heart rate is down from insane levels to now nroaml levels - for the first tiem ever in my life. I should have known about the salt fix 25 years ago when I travelled those hot countries - the heat really gave me hell, the sweat production and loss of ie rlas was sometimes threatenign to me. I am certain that with the kowledge I have now and the nutritional status I have now, I would stand it much better, the heat and the extreme sweating and dehydration. The fundamentla thirst wa snot so much a cravign for water - but a craving for salt, I now know. Sounds coutner-intuitive? Read the book, it makes perfect sense. The more I drankl the more thirst I had. Because I did not drank salty fluids (not too salty fluids, of course, with only ocean water alone you still do not get too far...) Well, you can read it yourself.

Low salt makes you sick. Low salt sends you to an earlier grave. Deal with it: we all and you have been lied to all our lives long. (Its not the only food lie, I tell you). The book is a well-researched revelation of how criminally abused science can be run, manipulative and data-corrupting. The methodology of it is beyond question - in honest hands. Those who want to abuse it, will find it easy to do so, however, and he history of Salt Wars is filled with dark Sith lords. And of course the sugar industry also pays a dominant role in the demonisation of salt, to distract from the really dangerous white crystal that there is: not salt, but refined sugar.

Before you stand up and just claim that DiNicolantonio all got it wrong, make sure you can even qualify to meet him on his knowledge level. Chances are you can't. He got his homework done, really.
Have a loose hand with the shaker, if your body signals you by appetit for salt that he wants it. :Kaleun_Cheers: Feel no regret. And enjoy the great taste! We are creatures of the ocean, from the ocean, we carry the ocean within us, including its salts and iodine. Our organ's design - kidney and liver especially - reflect the need to adapt from the salt- and iodine-rich maritime environment to the salt- and iodine-dry desert that life on lands means for us. Our bodies react to the salt and iodine in the air when we are close to a beach, or by the sea. We benefit from it. We even sent our ill and our kids to vaccation homes at the North Sea for that reason: "because the climate is so healthy!"

I have now begun to read his book on oil and fat. I am already perplexed again. After 15 pages.

A brief summary of some very major, relevant points for those understanding German, with ten minutes it also is the much shorter video. I think I linked it in the Wuhan thread before, or at least I planned to do it. Its an excerpt from a congress lecture where he talks just about salt. Should make you think if you believe you know that low salt is good and more salt is unhealthy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bqJhQNAoP0

The ordinary doctor not having learned on nutrition beyond university's curriculum, most likely will not know all this, and stick to an old, and wrong!!!, paradigm that bases on manipulated science and lies. Dont take such a doctor's word as holy gospel. Listen to what he has to say and then check back how the high-salt-school does answer to his concerns. Then decide. But do not just blindly trust your doc on this. If all he knows about it is what they told him when he studied medicine, he cannot and he will not know this.


If you get hit by hunger attacks for sweets, eat salty stuff. I can confirm from own experience now that if you drive up your salt supply, your appetite for "sweet" goes down, and disappears. That is because salt, sugar and drugs like cocaine and heroine all run by and get influenced through one and the same reward system in the brain. If you are low on salt, your internal salt detector turns more sensitive by turning on the reward system so that you get motivated to search for salt , and since you deny yourself salt intake, it instead takes sugar and drugs as prey, and you start dreaming of gettin g that chocolate bar, no matter what.... And from there on you go into a vicious circle. This already starts in your mothers womb, when she is running a low salt food regime - and by that programs your reward centre to crave for surrogate drugs later in your life when you got born! Sugar. Cocaine. Heroine. Its all the same neural mechanisms in the brain, its all the same brain structures getting active here. Thats why so many pregnant women report to have times when they almost desperately crave for salty taste.

[Jimbuna]

I'm not arguing with the above because I'm obviously no expert but I took the decision many years ago not to add salt to my meals rather than just consume what was already in the food preparation, on the grounds/fears of heart disease.

I do more than make up for it though with the amount of pepper I consume.

[Skybird]

I do more than make up for it though with the amount of pepper I consume.
But pepper does not have the metabolic functions sodoum and salt have.

I am not telling you what to do and what not to do, but from my view you probably do, in the intention to serve your health, great harm to your longterm health. Many people think they do something good for their heart and cardiovascular system by lowering salt. Thids is what we are beign told since over half a century. But from WW2 on there have been many study results that right the opposite is the case. Like also many think it helps diabetes to lower salt - while in fact lowering salt increases insuline resistence. Please try to understand that we are dealing with a history of flawed narration here, many studies that were faulty and misinterpreted or who had their data corrupted to support the "fairy tale" of the bad salt and that we must lower it. And then there was pkenty of lobbyism at work, and ignorrance.

Maybe you should read the book, which is very readable, btw. The man has extremely strong arguments, and he knows the literature on salt, literally every page of it, it seems. And the low-salt regime is filled with very dubious experimentators who killed quite a good amount of their subjects, and even gene-manipulated their rats to make them genetically coded to show the result that were wanted to be shown, while natural bred rats showed exactly the opposite. But rats are salt resitence, as are 80% of humans and still 55-60% of humans with hypertension, btw. Only a very few some people react with increases or decreases in blood pressure when changign their salt intake - and these changes are almost always not-signficant, too small. In case of reuciuton of saltl., rhy are beign paid for with increase of perihery blood vessel resistance and huge increases in heart rate, and this now is a very severe health risk. Whereas in many countries with salt-rich food habits you can show that blood pressure is the lower the more salt people eat (because it is not about how much salt they eat, but what healthy or unhealthy food stuff they eat it with! ;) ) . Before we had refirgerators, food was conserved by putting it into salt,. as a result salt was ominpresent. Average saltf consummatiosn per day of 40-100 grams (grams!) were nothing rare, even up to 200 grams have been found. And the people did not become ill (if drinling sufficient, our kidens are made to process severla huzndred times the ammount of salt that they process today in modern loiving onditions! I wonder why that is so...? ! When refrigerator production after WWII in the US went up again, salt consummation tooo another drive of 50%. In the same years, hypertension and coronar heart desease rates exploded high into the air. When women are prgenant, iodine and salt get all pumnped formt he body of the mother into the fetus, espcially the comlete (!) iodine) reservoir of the mother. That mucz impiortant nature rates a huge salt and iodine supply for the baby. That is why pregant women so fiten are desperately craving far salty food and taste, and must get massive supplementation of iodine. Many of them get practically emptied of the latter by their pregnancy, and must rebuild iodine reservoirs from scratzch afterwards. Those who know a bit on possible post-pregnancy health complications may recognise the link between these, and known symptoms for iodine deficiency. Maybe add salt to that topic, too.

The message is: the history of the low-salt narration is a lie. Like "tobacco is harmless". "Rfined sugar is healthy". "Fat makes people fat". Al, thatg were intentional lies, so is the salt lie. First it were perverted egos not accepting that study results showed their claim that low salt reduces blood pressure was unsustainable, and like Trump they just kept on claiming the opposite, that it does. There is no substantial evidence supporting this!! Next came the sugar industry trying to distract from the evils of sugar crystals, by demonising salt crystals.

Chapter 4 is page 66-90, and the title is "What REALLY causes heart desease". Written for you, Jim. ;) :)

Just think of this: we have these rules on avoiding salt, eating vegetables, avoid fats, use plant seed oils, and so forth. Still chronic deseases became epidemic, people turned fatter and fatter, diabetes is one of the worst health problems, auto-immune reactiosn also are on the brink of turning epidemic. How could this be if the food rules they told us were so true and healthy?

Also think of this: our health system are no health systems, but desease systems, they live by and depend on a rich pool of sick people putting money into it and keepingm the money going around. A healthy population would let it collapse, adn the pharmaceuticla industry as well. There is no economic interest in letting the population become free of conditions where they must buy expensive medication anymore.


4.6 stars at UK Amazon in 500+ reviews. Its a very comfrotable reading, ym mum was so stunned, she red it in one wooosh in one afternoon and one evening.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Salt-Fix-Experts-Wrong-Eating/dp/0349417385/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=the+salt+fix&qid=1605815796&sr=8-1


Review

“The truth about what salt is really doing to your body.”—The Telegraph

“James DiNicolantonio shakes up a nutritional hornet’s nest with The Salt Fix. . . . [A] smart and interesting account of [the ferocious scientific debate].”—Michael Bader, author of More than Bread and Butter, for Alternet

“DiNicolantonio’s premise completely overturns the conventional wisdom about salt consumption.”—Take Care Broadcast

“Thought-provoking, evidenced-based information for anyone interested in improving their health.”—Library Journal

“Why we should embrace the salt shaker, not shun it.”—Canadian National Post

“Dr. DiNicolantonio takes us away from hype and hyperbole to a place of rationality as it relates to salt. This extensively researched text lets us finally erase the guilt all of us felt when catering to our desire for this important mineral.”—David Perlmutter, MD, #1 New York Times bestselling author of Grain Brain and The Grain Brain Whole Life Plan

“Dr. James DiNicolantonio shatters the age-old myth that salt is a cause of heart disease. He also makes excellent recommendations for a heart-healthy diet that your tastebuds will really enjoy! If you want to learn how to make food taste great again, discover tips to improve your heart health, and be enlightened about the truth about salt, you’ve got to check out this book!”—Dr. Josh Axe, author of Eat Dirt, founder of DrAxe online

“For decades, doctors and mainstream medicine have recommended that you lower your salt intake, but in this well-researched and surprising book, Dr. DiNicolantonio explains why this seemingly well-informed advice is, in fact, wrong. The Salt Fix provides the advice and the program you need to add back the salt and in the process improve your health and your waistline.”—Robb Wolf, New York Times bestselling author of The Paleo Solution and Wired to Eat

“The medical profession has done a disservice to millions of people by misleading them into thinking they need to avoid salt in their diets. Our blood is salty; our tissue fluids are salty; we need salt to thrive. In The Salt Fix, Dr. DiNicolantonio charts the ill-begotten thinking that got us to this sorry state of almost universal salt avoidance, and imparts invaluable scientifically-sound advice for adding this healthful substance back into your diet. Dr. DiNicolantonio’s book will help you improve your health by actually adding salt back into your favorite foods.”—Michael R. Eades, M.D., New York Times bestselling author of Protein Power

“This superb book busts many misconceptions around salt consumption. It's a must read.”—Dr. Aseem Malhotra, Consultant Cardiologist and advisor to UK's National Obesity Forum
About the Author

James J. DiNcolantonio, Pharm. D., is a cardiovascular research scientist and doctor of pharmacy at Saint Luke's Mid America Heart Institute in Kansas City, Missouri. A well-respected and internationally known scientist, and expert on health and nutrition, he has contributed extensively to health policy and has even testified in front of the Canadian Senate regarding the harms of added sugars. He serves as the Associate Editor of British Medical Journal's (BMJ) Open Heart, a journal published in partnership with the British Cardiovascular Society. He is the author or coauthor of approximately 200 publications in the medical literature. He is also on the Editorial Advisory Board of several other medical journals, including Progress in Cardiovascular Diseases and International Journal of Clinical Pharmacology & Toxicology (IJCPT).

Of course, your choice. But when you think you do something good to avoid coronar heart desease by avoiding salt, you most likely do exactly the worst thing.

Okay guys, I talked my talk, and now I'm done. Now its your choice wanting to learn more about it, or to refuse it. What you gain by your choice, is yours. And what you lose by your choice is your loss as well. This book may save your health and life, it is affordable, and it reads very well and is very competendly authored. I made it known to my own doc. He meanwhile has thanked me for it, after first being sceptical. - Stay healthy. ;)

[mapuc]

I'm surprised because I have also throughout my life heard, that to much salt is absolutely not good for your heart.

Markus

[Skybird]

I'm surprised because I have also throughout my life heard, that to much salt is absolutely not good for your heart.

Markus
You have also been told that statines have no side effects, and that refined sugar is good for your body's energy, and that you do not need any supplementedf vitmaines and minerals, and that you should drink 2.5-3 litres per day and in frequent intervals, and in the past the cigarette industry claimed that nicotine is not so bad and smoking does not cause cancer, and... and...

What the industry does to process food, it doe snot do for the benefit of the consumer, but for the benefit of the industry'S needs (processing, transportation, storage, profit "optimization"...)

There are so many lies n food and nutritions out there, and so much infantile nonsense as well.


I take an egg for breakfast, and roll it in 3 grams of salt, if not more, and then eat it. Its an extra boost of salt, it makes a wamr and comfrotable feel in the stomach, after a while I get more awaken, clear in the head, I eat mess (whcih is good cinsideirng my weight), have less appetite on sweets, sweat mjuch less (alwaysa problem for me), and most importantly, my heart rate stays way< down at 75 instead of going to 95-100 - at rest. I take that salt additonal to the normal ordinary salt sonsummation for preoparig the wearm meal in the eveing, and other things. It is additional to the other stuff.



Interestingly, most people on all contioents and of all ethnciities have an inbuild salt intake treshold per day beyond which they feel less and less appetite for salt, this treshhold is in the range of 3-4 grams. I say: listenj to your body: if he wants mroe, give it to him, if he signals waning interest, stop. Do not eat salt (or drink water...) accoridng to the clock, or tables. Your body knwos best. Listen to him. he is the op0tmal preicisonn instrjmenbt to let you kinow whether your need some oif iot or not, and he has amazing techniques to build reserves and access them or to reprocess salts for multiple turns of use. He is a master at these mind of things.



What the body is not so good at, is managing surplus in resssources. Thats why so many of us are fat.

[ET2SN]

I'm not arguing with the above because I'm obviously no expert but I took the decision many years ago not to add salt to my meals rather than just consume what was already in the food preparation, on the grounds/fears of heart disease.

I do more than make up for it though with the amount of pepper I consume.

Skybird; Invest some of that research into the word "punchline". :03:

Jim; Agreed. I did the same many years ago. In the US, we get more than enough "salt" in any type of pre-prepared or comfort food.

If you plan to eat a 100% natural diet using foods that haven't been "enhanced", add salt. If you live in the world the rest of us are stuck with, just buy an order of fries or a bag of chips/crisps.

[Mr Quatro]

My favorite salt snack :up:

https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/5715946c-43cf-4644-ace7-44f5d7fd006a_1.d8d652c02485df5e721e9c0502bf0ca3.jp eg?odnWidth=undefined&odnHeight=undefined&odnBg=ffffff

[Skybird]

You guys wonder why you get ill when eating your salt with stuff like this? Fries, chips, popcorn? In korea, japan, they eat much more salt - but with fresh and fermented vegetable, sea fish, kelp, healthier fats, as a result they do not suffer as much from deseases that westerners and the WHO wrongly associate with salt.

Its not the salt that makes you sick. Its the stuff you eat it with. Bad food. Too many carbohydrates, bad fats, refindd sugar, glucose, corn syrup, heavily processed food. Or as i say, industrial waste. Look around and see how many fat people there now are. And that fatness triggers a whole rattail of problems.
And never forget again, that low salt increases insuline resistence. Now add 1 and 1 together. Fatness. Insuline resistence. (that is not to say you can compensate for being fat by eating salt.)

[Jimbuna]

Skybird; Invest some of that research into the word "punchline". :03:

Jim; Agreed. I did the same many years ago. In the US, we get more than enough "salt" in any type of pre-prepared or comfort food.

If you plan to eat a 100% natural diet using foods that haven't been "enhanced", add salt. If you live in the world the rest of us are stuck with, just buy an order of fries or a bag of chips/crisps.

Rgr that and as I stated earlier I don't check the contents/ingredients list on the package I just simply don't add to it.

[Skybird]

I don't check the contents/ingredients list on the package
Big mistake, always. :03:

And never just trust government's risk assessment agencies of any sorts, they mostly are in the pockets of industrial and business lobbies. Even international bodies like the WHO have been corrupted to a degree where I see them as absolutely untrustworthy now.

To some degree the various meta analysis run by the Cochrane Foundation have some value, and often surprising and officially unwanted implications. If available on a topic of interest, these are what I always include in considerations. But untouchable even these are not, of course.

And an anecdote. A few days ago I saw my dental cleaning specialist. We have gotten quite close over the past 5 years, and not only does she do a very good job, but we also like each other and thus chat a bit as well when I see her twice a year. And while I made her aware of my improved health status in my mouth and with my teeth's issues, we chatted on nutrition and iodine and corona and all that, and she told me she knew this friend of hers, for 25 years, since her sschool years, and he always was very acitve in sports and healthy, but also did not miss any party and never said no to smoking, drinking a lot and all that. And then he got a diagnosis for pancreatic cancer. We all know what that means, chances are miserable. He then went through several chemo therapies, surgery and all that stuff, and finally he was finished and done and all therapeutic efforts ended when scans showed that he had metastases all over in his body, and they told him its game over, he had to die in the forseeable future. Next he had a lucky random meeting with a pharmacists, and as it happens I know the man by his name, three of his books are on my shelve, he is an expert for micro nutrition and has founded an institute for researchign them, he is one of the leading European experts for this stuff. Talking of the world beign a village! And he met the friend of my dental cleaner, and they talked, and he made the man changing his food habits from top to bottom, he completely revamped the house, so to speak. The death candidate had nothing to lose anymore, desperate grapped for every straw somebody was offering him. Over one year later he was still alive and went to see his old doctor. The doc was surprised that he was still around. They did a new series of scans that were so stunning that the images madethe round and even found the way to several hospitals and experts there: he was free of all metastases. - Well, that is a story to tell. She told me the man does not expect to live forever, maybe he will nevertehless die earlier than would have been needed, but he already has won unexpected amounts of bonus time, is free of pain and suffering, and still has no metastases. Wowh.

You see, guys, the Western medicine is great in dealing with accute emergencies and dealing with symptoms, but it is a desaster, an almost complete fail, when it comes to healing the origins of symptoms. Pharmaceutical companies are not intersted in them, there is no money to be made this way. Doctors are not beign educated at university to focus on the roots and causes of deseases, they get trained to suppress symptoms only. Often these symptoms even are tools of the body to try healign himself, high temerature durign fever for exmaple. In the end, I understand mroe and more that it is not the chemcial gent that heals, but the body heals itself. We are well advised to give it the tools, in nutrients, that he needs for that job. But in Wetsern medicine, almost always the prescription of medicla drugs goes at the cost of more health loss due to these drugs having unwanted interactions with other drugs, or side effects by themselves. In germany, old people in care taking facilities on avergae are being drugged with 9-11 meds per day, all of them very long in lists of complications and side-effects, most of them being nutrient thieves, but the food served usually is lousy. Half of the meds are beign given to just treat the interactions and side effect symptoms of the original drugs being prescribed. And then we wonder why our old in nursing homes die like the flies when Corona finds entracy...? Its not just Vitamine-D deficiency, you better believe that!

Corn syrup. Refined sugar. A completely distorted understanding of good versus bad fats, good versus bad cholesterione and cholesterol. Highly processed, nutrient-reduced high calory food. Plenty of poisons and toxic agents, partially form the fields, partially from the the environment, partially from adding chemical agents during processing the food that do not serve the interest of the consumer, but the needs of the industry. Can somebody please explain why we no must be given natrium-ferro-cyanid in industrial salt, please? Why in the US Brom still is allowed to be used in medication? All the many artifical chemical agents beign added to conserve food in a way that costs one cent less than a less critical method? There is a German proverb, Du bist was Du isst: you are what you eat. What goes in, is what forms oyu up, and what sooner or later will go out again. The drug you take, the medication, does not just disappear when you swallow it and store it in your body. It leaves the body sooner or later, it goes into the waste disposal, into the water, and back onto the fields. It does not just magically disappear.

The US wants to enforce access to European markets with its desastrous glucose and corn syrup. Why dont they just drop chemical bombs on Europe? Highly toxic agents that accelerates the speed by which people are turned into diabetic fat balls, its far more toxic than white sugar alone - and that already is bad enough.

You people are afraid of the wrong white crystal. You should be afraid of white sugar, not of white salt. You could delete sugar completely, and you will still live on, probabyl healthier and longer. Limit salt, and you become weak, you become ill, and you die early. You are afraid of the wrong threats. 9 out of 10 of us do not need less but more salt. More iodine, not less iodine. Same for selene. Magnesium. Zinc. Vitmaine B complex. Vitamine D. Vitamine A. Most of us have a Omega 6 to Omega 3 balance of 30:1 to 60:1. It should not exceed 3:1, while our ancestors most liekly had it between 3:1 to 1:1. Most people do not even know what Q10 is, and what it does and why ATP is so relevant for us - most people know this not although their cell's mitochondrias produce the equivalent to the body'S own weight in ATP every single day! You should know these things, for the same reason why you know that you need oxygene.

All these deficits do not serve our health interest. But they wonderfully serve the interest of the industrial food industry and the pharmaceutical industry. Now do the math.

[Jimbuna]

LOL if I even had the patience or time I'd probably put myself off whatever it was I had picked from the shelf.

[Eichhörnchen]

Moira began a sugar-free diet two weeks ago and I joined her on it 2 days ago. You have to gradually wean yourself off it (using 'stevia' instead to sweeten tea etc) until you just don't want the stuff anymore. I can't imagine a time when I won't want to stuff my face with chocolate, but I'm going to give it a damn good go (I maybe picked the wrong time of year, I know). It's about recalibrating your body so that it doesn't want the sweet things like it did

This salt thing I just know she is going to be interested in... it makes such perfect sense; on this diet if I fancy something sweet then I eat a salty cracker and the craving's gone

"The Salt Fix", £7.68 on ebay... going to read this

[Skybird]

Good luck, getting off sugar, espeically soft drinks and sweet snacks, is a very good thing to acchieve, for your health. I admit I am not completely cured, but I have drastically cut it back. Mostly I get my sugar fix during breakfast (I cannot eat salty or fat or an American breakfast in the morning, I need a more typical German approach: bread or toast with sweet spreads, and sweet and milked coffee, eggs, nuts and seeds, yoghurt, and a fruit), but I take almost no sweet snacks over the day anymore. Great improvement that alone already is. And no soft drinks.

And my reminder: if you take a good dose of salt per day, this frees you from craving for sweetness. Its not just a subjective perception, it is encoded in the hardware of the neural network of the brain (reward centre) and the so-called salt-thermostate, which is just a model, a name to summarise a complex system of self-regulating physiological mechanisms of the body to secure it is always well-supplied with the amount of sodium that it needs: it influences our appetite for salt or our waning appetite for it, by that it regulates our (and animals!) behaviour (animals taking long trips and taking risks to reach a salt-lick), and it regulates the access to salt reserves the body has collected in our skin and other parts of the body, and regulates the inter-cellular and inner-cellular water homeostasis. The body has many ways to ensure the level of salt in the blood is always where it should be. Manipulating our behaviour by the reward centre in the brain, is one of its most powerful tools. And this centre is also involved to the pleasure we get from inhaling a hard drug, our consuming sugar. If we have enough salt, the reward centre is less acvtive, and in absence of salt then does not make us craving for sugar. Or cocaine, or heroine.

Its so logical indeed. One only needs to know some physiological and neurological background info on our neural structures.

Have fun reading! It reads well and easy.

I am half into DiNicolantonios book on fat. It is as fascinating a read as Salt Fix was, title is "Superfuel". There is so much we got wrong there, too. Keto diet is nothing I will ever completely follow, it excludes too many things imo, but there are some basic principles I will most likely implement in my food system, too, since they make sense. Most important is to know what fats to have in volumes, and what fats to avoid. And here we again have followed the wrong advices too long, it seems.

[Buddahaid]

Some people are highly allergic to iodine and need to use sea salt sans iodine supplements.

[Skybird]

Some people are highly allergic to iodine and need to use sea salt sans iodine supplements.
No, that is a myth. Iodine is essential for life, you cannot live without it and cannot become allergic to iodine itself.

The iodine level in salt are so low, btw, that you must not worry about them. Even more so since iodine-in-salt's resorbtion rate is below 30%. These dosages only were meant to prevent struma and cretinsim - not more. I do not care whether my salt has iodine or not anymore. I avoid flourid, and I do not want things like natriumferrocyanid in it. Stone salt has the advantage to be salt from coeans that have not been polluted by modenr man. Sea salt is okay as well. Avoid any other addings different from iodine or kelp-iodine. If you want to boost your idodnine, do not count on salt with idoine, it simply is too low in dosage.



BTW, if you do not mknow it: salt can have diferent flavours. I did not know this until recently and thoght salt tastes like salt. Wrong! There are nuances.

The following is a German professor for endocrinology at the university Munich, who is president of the German iodine society.


Google-Translation

Iodine is an essential trace element that the body needs to synthesize thyroid hormones. Without them, the metabolism is as good as nothing. Among other things, they control energy metabolism, heart rhythm, blood pressure, growth and brain development. The human body cannot live without thyroid hormones. Therefore there are no diseases in which one can do without iodine. An allergy is a bad reaction of the immune system. Even small amounts of substance trigger itching, vasodilation, drop in blood pressure and other symptoms. So-called iodine allergies can only be caused by substances that consist of large molecules and have a high iodine content. These occur, for example, in X-ray contrast media, in certain drugs, for example against cardiac arrhythmias, or in skin disinfectants. On the other hand, an allergy cannot be directed against the substances iodide or iodate, which are contained in table salt or in other foods such as sea fish and milk. Due to their small molecule size, these iodine compounds are unable to act as allergens and, contrary to the fears expressed, they cannot trigger or worsen any allergic reactions. "


And since I now expect the next famous iodine myth to be quoted: no, even Hashimoto patients need iodine, they should not automatically avoid iodine - they worsten their situation with that tactic.

(Hashimoto is an autoimmunity desease where the immune system starts to destroy thyroid tissue. Its on the brink of becoming pandemic in Western populations, due to our high quality food we stuff down our throats all day long.

Many people get thyroid hormones prescribed. I think that is absurd to do this first. The thyroid does not have enough iodine supplied so that it cannot produce enough T4 and T3. Why supplying then the ready hormone so that the thyroid can fall lazy even more and shrink even more...? Why not prescribing it iodine so that it can do its job and train itself to function properly again...??? I cna only shake my head, and I am not alone with that.

Because Western medicine does not ask for causes and systemic contexts, but focusses on supressing and deletign symptoms, thats why. A year's supply of iodine in form of Logul solution costs you an apple and an egg, thyroid hormones as ready medication kits costs multiple times as much.

The WHO says you should take only 150-200 micrograms iodine, pregnant women slightly more. Why that dose (for which they should be jailed for life, imo)? Because this dose is the absolute minimum you must get supplied with to avoid your thyroid forming out struma and cretinism, which are the most evident physical and mental symptoms of fundamental iodine deficiency.

The WHO does not take into account:
- body weight
- age

- nutrition standard and iodine supplied by food

- health preconditions that may increase iodine demands
- iodine demands of the female breast tissue
- of the ovaries
- of the male prostate
- of the mucous membranes in the intestines as part of the immune system
- for the forming of brain fluid in the skull
- for skin renewal,
to name only the most important. Virtually all cells in the body have receptors for iodine. The WHO dosage recommendations ignore all of these factors, and for many physicians the meaning of iodine is applied to the first and last term they have learned to associate with it: "thyroid". Nothing more.

Comparable minimum doses to just avoid the most desastrous and obvious deficiency symptoms the WHO recommends on many other nutrients and substances as well, this most minimal minmum they claim to be the ideal optimum that shoukld not be exceeded. Most famous is their recommended dosage for Vitamine C , which is just the minimum you need to take over time to avoid getting hit by Scurvy. My diea ticks a bit differently. the minimum is just this, the minimum, and then comes an optimal range above that, and then a save maximum that shoukld not be exceeded and you still wopuld be safe up to that level. And not before then I see the need to hiot the alarm button . The wHo rings the alrm bell with already the very fiorst drop in the bottle, always. Criminmal idiots. Millions of people, whole generations of doctors believe them. So many people get ill by followign their advice, stay ill, die early. The costs for the social systems. The economy. In principle I want the WHO at a Nurmeberg trial, to be frank. I did not find their terrible performance during Corona for laughing at all. It was symptomatic for how terribly flawed and corrupted it is.,

So, the real demand for iodine is many, many times as high as the official recommendations imply. Many iodine experts and therapists say the deficiency should not be thought about in micrograms, but in milligrams.

In asian countries like Korea and Japan, people eat 60, 80, 100, 200 times as much iodine per day as we do in the West. Certain deseases linked to iodine deficiency are almost unknown there, namely breast cancer as the most famous example.Many of these countries, again Korea and japan leading the pack, also have high salt diets, but populations nevertheless have lower blood pressure than Westerners.

Not every salt water fish holds high iodine levels, only some do ,especially high ocean and deep blue water fishes.

Japaenese have the stronger intenstines, and weaker stomachs, compared to North Americans. That again is in parts trained by different diets, but also in parts is genetic. When Japanese move to North aemrica, after some time they start to form typical Western deseases as often as Westerners. Their stomach forces them however to earlier stop eating bad stuff, because it revolts earlier than that of North Americans. That is one of the reasons why the system behind the stomach - the guts/intestines - are in better shape than that of North Aemricans, who have more robust stomachs but weaker intestines. - These are observations by the Japanese doctor who invented ambulant colonoscopy and the according hardware needed for it. He refers to over 300 thousand records.

If you want to raise your iodne level, you need patience, becasue it takes a very long time to raise iodine levels, can last up to a year even when using high dose therapies. If you do, and have no reasonable actual feedback on the status of your thyroid, you may want to have an endocrinologist checking it with an ultrasound scanner. To determine the iodine saturation, the proper way to test it is not via a blood test, but via a 24h-urine sample and a iodine saturaton test. Testing T3, T4 and TSH in the blood does not allow direct conclusions on your iodine supply level. For that test, one assumes the need for iodine is 50 millgrams per day, and that is the dose you get applied. Dont worry, your thyroid can hande much more, when a nuclear powerplant goes off for exmaple they hand you iodine pills of 170 milligrams to saturate your thyroid so that no radioactive iodine can get accumulated in it. After those 50 mg, your urine samples over 24 hours get checked for how much of that you get out with your urine again. The less iodine in the urine, the more the body stores and the higher the deficit is.

You can get a first idea of where your voyage leads you, by applying Logul solvent 5% or less (which is 5% iodine, 10% kalium-iodid, and 85% water, one drop then has around 6.5 mg of pure iodine) and form a 5x5 to 6x6 cm big brown blotch on the inside of your lower arm. Iodine is so relevant for us that the body can consume it right through the skin, when you swim in the coean for exmaple. You then leave it untouched and uncleaned for 12 hours and see what happens. If the spot is still there after 12 hours, you probably have enough iodine. But if it is completely gone and dissapeared after 4-6 hours already, you are most likely very deficient. Its no clinically reliable and valid "test", but it gives you a first clue.

If you have no data on your thyroid status from the imminent past time, one year or so, you should better not take higher doses of iodine all alone, but only under supervision by an endocinologist or iodine expert. Many people have already formed physicla deformations of the thyroid after too long time of iodine deficits, and do not know it. They can maybe do damage by taking iodine in high doses for long time, they should get it checked therefore (but not by a conservative doctor...). In germany, dedicated iod9ne experts and therpaiosts still are rare, but I read thsat in othe rcountries they are more common. Germany is listed as being extremely iodine-phobic.

Also, and this is very important!! , iodine can unsettle heavy metals like quick silver and halogenes like Brom and flourid in your body that until iodine arrived were there, but "slept". If they then do not get diverted, extracted from the body he body, they can make you feel sick. And you then wrongly attribute this feeling to iodine itself, which is wrong. Its like the household garbage. You have it in a bin, with a lid on it. then you set ut up before the door. It starts to smell where before it did not. That is because you forgot to call the waste disposal service. You should prepare your vitamine and mineral status first, before thinking of taking high doses of iodine. Magnesium is relevant, Zinc, Vitamine C, Vitamine D, and some more, this can take 1-2 months. Selene!! Selene, very very important for the thyroid and the iodine metabolism in general. Do yourself a favour, take 200-250 micrograms of selene as well! I know the WHO says only less than a third of that value, but I think I made clear what my problem with the WHO is, yes...

Certain algas are used to support the cleanign from halogens and heavy metals as well. But they can rob nutrients themseleves, so again you need to balance that.

You see, I may mention "monster dsages", but that simple it is not, you need to know a bit about the interactions and what substances compete for the same co-factors and so should not be taken together, but several hours apart, and so forth. There are quite some things to know. High doses alone are not even half of the trick.

If you get serious about it, you will not escape the need to read a few books. One of them should be a book that lists the impact of all known available medical drugs on your nutrition metabolism and how much of your vitamines and minerals they steal - and what often never-talked side effects these drugs have. Its absurd if you fear to take higher doses of salt or iodine, but do not care to uncritically throw in Metformin, statines or ACE blockers, and what else there is. You contradict yourself then.

P.S,. You must be careful if taking higher doses of iodine as a boosting therapy, if you reduce the dosage at the end too fast, you can get paradox effects and problems and the thyroid my start getting "hiccups". Slowly reduce the dosage over some time. Slow in, slow out. For limited boost therapy, a dosage of 6 mg may be fine, if your thyroid is healthy, but I would not go higher and for an unlimited amount of time. The high dose protocol that is recommended for surveillance by an expert works with 50mg. It is of limited time only.

We come from the oceans, we carry the oceans inside us. Salt and iodine are our oldest of friends, our relations to them are as old as our species is, and older. Only few elements and agents are as essential for us, as these two. Without them, we cannot survive for long.

[Skybird]

On a sidenote, after WWII, research on the forgotten art of iodine therapy in medicine was started in the USSR, and some time later in America and Europe. But the Russians used it with greater success and experience in ordinary medicine and treatment in hospitals, like in the good old times before. They had great success with that. But you see, it was the cold war, and the class enemy was impossible to be described as somebody doing something better than us, the West. The Russian successes were ignored, then defamed, and Iodine was deleted from the list of Western activities.

That iodine today is so much ignored, is for political and ideological rivalry in the cold war! ;) Until the time between the world wars, it was common component in every household'S medikit (not for cleanign wounds, but for swallowing it), and doctors treated a whole lot of deases by giving patients iodine - in dosages that today the WHO would get crazy over. Well, it often worked. And better than many of the new drugs used today. Doctors were pragmatic. Who healed, was right. Even if he did not fully understood why it healed.

[Rockstar]

Hell, salt has to be good for you. Rome paid there soldiers with it and they conquered the known world.

[Skybird]

Historically, salt had a dominant role as trading good. Wars were fought over it. It was traded as something extremely precious. Treaties were sealed with it, as gifts. And it was consumed in doses 20-50 times higher than what they tell us we should not exceed today. Modern civilizational deseases were unknown.


Could that have been due to too much salt then? Or isn't it more likely that it was due to soft drinks and frozen pizza with surrogate cheese and candy bars not having been invented? Or think of the gatorade culut in the past. One half of the sugar, the glucose, was burnt off mayb ein exercise, but the other half, the fructose, was stored in the liver, helping to get non-alcoholic fatty liver.


Its not the salt. Its what you eat it with. Starch. Wrong fats. Highly glycaemic stuff, triggering a persisting insuline reaction. Snacking all the time. Some of what we consider healthy diet is like drinking alcohol in order to get clean of alcoholism.

[Jimbuna]

On a personal note, the funny thing as I see it is the fact I'll only eat one flavour of crisps/potato chips and that's 'salted'

[Skybird]

On a personal note, the funny thing as I see it is the fact I'll only eat one flavour of crisps/potato chips and that's 'salted'
I know that, was the same for me. But flips and chips and all that have plenty of bad fats. I moived to simple salt sticks, its a compromise, but gets me the salt fix combined with a less unhealthy baking dough.


Older babies and little children love salty Brezeln, don't they? ;)

[Jimbuna]

Rgr that :03:

[Skybird]

Ken Berry seems to be quite known in the US, to me he is still almost unknown, he is a doctor with a strong youtube community and being author of at least one book (which i have ordered) "Lies my doctor told me". How can you not want to get a book with such a title! :D So I am still not fully decided on what to think of this guy, but my first impression at least is such that I ordered his book, so... :)

In this video he has an hour of conversation with Prof. DiNicolantonio, talking anything immune system, and since I like DiNicolantonio's thinking and information and by now am a bit more familiar with his thinking on salt and fats, I find this conversation relevant especially in these times of corona going around. But after Corona, the pandemic on autoimmune deseases and chronic deases will still live on, so...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIlMnG9ZLO8


Its strange. Corona makes many people very sick. But this year it has led me on a path of growing health and restrengthening immunity . :)

The medical branches especially on food, nutrition and what is called ecotrophology, claim a lot of knowledge while they have no evidence for these claims in many, many cases. They have single observations and correlations, and thats the core of ecotrophology, and the temptation is to interpret these causally, which of course makes no sense. This puts your and my health at risk, puts us into a declined and vulnerable health status. The reason is Big Pharma and Big Agriculture. We are so many people on this planet now that we cannot feed them all healthy, and we must farm kinds of foods that maybe are not that good for us at all, just to get stuff into the masses' many mouths. But that is just feeding - it is not nourishing. For nourishing everybody, we are too many already. We are too many. How often did I say that.

I am chuckling often this year while I see many of the health promises I grew up with, especially whole grain (Vollkorn) diets, collapsing. I complained at times about the abuse of science and how corrupted it is by special interests and abuse. But I had no realistic idea on to what degree this abuse is present, and how far it reaches out.

And if anyone is wondering - no, I am not following a full keto diet regime myself, but i have copied some of its principles and incorporated them into my eating habits, namely to kick out disadvantageous fats and replacing them with advantagous fats (and eating more fat!), limiting carbohydrates from potatoes and rice and of course refined sugars and sweets a bit more (not killing them, sometimes I Iike to have them). To fully avoid what Keto says you should avoid, I lack the lasting will over the long term. To me it is about substantial reduction of what is bad for me. Its about compliance, you need to find a balance that is individual, where you have positive effects and yet not at such a high cost that your compliance goes low, because then you sooner or later run out of compliance and then go back to the old bad ways. Wasted time. 50% of 100 is better than 100% of nothing.