Thomas Quick A story about the largest miscarriage of justice in Swedish history

[mapuc]

I have been thinking on posting this before and now that the movie Quick have premier on Friday I thought I would share Sweden's largest miscarriage in their history of justice.

Journalists Hannes Råstam and Dan Josefsson published TV documentaries and books about the murder cases; they claimed that bad therapy led to false confessions. Dan Josefsson claims that a "cult"-like group led by psychologist Margit Norell manipulated the police and talked Sture Bergwall into false confessions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sture_Bergwall

Markus

[Gerald]

I could say a lot about this man. There are now several circumstances that are unclear in his actions, especially in the first cases. Then the development has been hampered by the fact that people (High officials with their own personal emotional expressions have influenced the investigation and they have not been objective. Today he lives with a "feeling that he sees himself as a victim of justice", which in my eyes is completely wrong There are official and unofficial versions of him in a high police presence, and many consider him guilty of several crimes. It should also be said that in the link posted here there are people who have died and then it should be taken into account with respect for their families.

[Jimbuna]

I have been thinking on posting this before and now that the movie Quick have premier on Friday I thought I would share Sweden's largest miscarriage in their history of justice.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sture_Bergwall

Markus

Innocent or not he appears to be one dangerous individual all the same.

[mapuc]

It's not me who are saying this is Sweden's largest scandal in the history of their justice. I have heard this word hundreds if not thousands of time throughout the 90's and in the beginning of the 20's

Mostly GW Persson have said it on several occasion and one of the author to this book have mentioned it.

I'm not a psychologist so I can't say if he(Quick) is a psychopath or not.

Whether a person is a psychopath or not, s/he shall not be convicted for a crime they may not have done.

Now if he has committed these crime...well then the Swedish police has only them self to blame.

Here I recall all these Swedish news magazine I have seen about this case.

Which also is mentioned in the wiki link I posted in my first thread.

Police asked leading questions, went ahead in front of Quick, when he had to show where he killed the victim(s) and so on.

I wonder if he was released due to change of his stories, no technical evidence(this is WHAT I have been told) and due to police failure(Don't know the exact name for this)

Markus

[Gerald]

As the way Jim chooses to use the "sentence" Innocent or not he appears to be one dangerous individual all the same, it is a value shared by people with insight. The information in this case is taken from Wiki, which has very little objective view and only scratches the surface. The police's actions have been professional from the beginning, and the then (FU) Preliminary Investigation has shown this) and then (FUP) Preliminary Investigation Protocol. What has been an obstacle is people who non-law graduates have come into the picture and destroyed the investigation. People you mention GW who was originally employed at RPS (Former National Police Board). He, in turn, has been ready in late thought and action, but the police have been limited by the permeated justice system that prevails. Everything that prevails in this case is stored in databases, only confidentiality limits the cases even if it is closed (Most often in sexual abuse) Sweden does not have official responsibility, unfortunately I say, which would be a great asset in many cases. Quick he took advantage of this system which prevails in his favor and that also lawyers and also the Chancellor of Justice bought it. Quick is a person with clear narcissistic personality disorder such as An exaggerated sense of his own greatness, a preoccupation with fantasies about success, power, brilliance and beauty, etc, etc. He also has a previous criminal record.

[mapuc]

I decided to wait until I had seen this movie.

I can only tell from the angle I have seen it.

The movie gave me the impression
The Swedish Justice system is bad, very bad.
The Swedish police and the prosecutor office is bad.
Thomas Quick..yes he has some psychological problems and is a liar...but is innocent as snow white.

While I watch this movie I was thinking about what you have answered me.

Markus

[Gerald]

I decided to wait until I had seen this movie.

I can only tell from the angle I have seen it.

The movie gave me the impression
The Swedish Justice system is bad, very bad.
The Swedish police and the prosecutor office is bad.
Thomas Quick..yes he has some psychological problems and is a liar...but is innocent as snow white.

While I watch this movie I was thinking about what you have answered me.

Markus If only the movie determines your position in around TQ, I'm surprised. I can hope that the film can reflect both what TQ was before the murders were carried out and during and aftermath. In my case, as I said before, TQ is not an angel. When you mention that the Swedish police are bad, this is not due to the police themselves but how the authorities have acted and how the Swedish legal system does not work fully and the latter I support. Swedish police have had large and many reorganisations as well as poor management, which has made investigations difficult to work actively operationally and then it is not about TQ only, there are several other cases that can be mentioned there as well.

[mapuc]

Åh Nej.

Have followed this case since it toke it start in the middle of the 80's

When I started this thread A clip from some news came up in my head...but did this have any thing to do with this I was wondering.

This doubt vanished after 10 second into the movie...Because the movie starts where you see a Volvo a tent and a text (Which I can't remember, I do remember it was somewhere in the northern part of Norrbotten)

It was through the Swedish news program like Rapport och Aktuellt and reading news paper..Aftonbladet, Kvällsposten och Expressen.
And watching some of the documentaries, like Dokument inifrån, a weekly or was it a monthly magazine with jan guillou

I was, like a huge majority of the Swedish citizens shocked from all we heard and read about this case.

I was not the only one who felt a ease when he got his verdict..because I and perhaps millions other Swedish citizens was convince he was guilty as charged.

It was first some years later it toke this dramatic turn.

Markus

[Gerald]

Åh Nej.

Have followed this case since it toke it start in the middle of the 80's

When I started this thread A clip from some news came up in my head...but did this have any thing to do with this I was wondering.

This doubt vanished after 10 second into the movie...Because the movie starts where you see a Volvo a tent and a text (Which I can't remember, I do remember it was somewhere in the northern part of Norrbotten)

It was through the Swedish news program like Rapport och Aktuellt and reading news paper..Aftonbladet, Kvällsposten och Expressen.
And watching some of the documentaries, like Dokument inifrån, a weekly or was it a monthly magazine with jan guillou

I was, like a huge majority of the Swedish citizens shocked from all we heard and read about this case.

I was not the only one who felt a ease when he got his verdict..because I and perhaps millions other Swedish citizens was convince he was guilty as charged.

It was first some years later it toke this dramatic turn.

MarkusFair! The media reporting that took place was great for a long time just as you describe. But there are people who have destroyed the investigation and one of them is an S marked dubious figure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6ran_Lambertz then there are of course other people who have acted 'out of control'. Some police officers were gagged in a later position..that Lambertz came into the picture at all is due to his political contacts, and this is nothing remarkable in the country PK Sweden. To be continued. :ping: