UK to urge France to crack down on migrant crossings

[Gerald]

The UK will press French authorities to crack down on migrants attempting to cross the Channel in small boats, ministers have pledged.

A record number of unaccompanied children arrived in the UK on Friday.

Schools Minister Nick Gibb said the government was also considering how to use "maritime assets" in order to prevent crossings.

And, writing in the Daily Telegraph, Immigration Minister Chris Philp said migrants should be fingerprinted.

However, it is unclear what the proposal will amount to, as the fingerprints of asylum seekers are already stored under the European Eurodac system.

Mr Philp said migrants would know "they face real consequences if they try to cross again", and added he would "negotiate hard" with French officials about how to deal with the crossings.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-53704809

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-53699511

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-kent-53678928


This seems to be a big problem. How are the conditions more concrete when the UK is not in the EU?

[Jimbuna]

However, under a long-standing EU deal, called "Dublin III", the UK has the right to send back anyone who is seeking asylum if they could have reasonably claimed it in another country along the way.

That arrangement will cease at the end of the Brexit transition period - next January - unless the UK and the EU agree a similar deal.

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[Gerald]

Thanks! Very concretely, I thank you most humbly for the time you put into drawing my attention to the fact that the answer was to be found in the thread.:ping:

[Jimbuna]

Simple really, all you have to do is actually read before you post.

[Gerald]

Simple really, all you have to do is actually read before you post. I do realize the fact! Even I have weaknesses.

[Reece]

Surely you jest Vendor! :)

[Kapitan]

Its a massive issue especially from my region the south east of the UK because of these migrants the companies i worked for in the UK ended up with tens of millions of pounds worth of damages to equipment as well as having the loads decimated by these people.

[Jimbuna]

Its a massive issue especially from my region the south east of the UK because of these migrants the companies i worked for in the UK ended up with tens of millions of pounds worth of damages to equipment as well as having the loads decimated by these people.

Heard similarly from a few friends, some of whom live in the towns these people are coming ashore in.

The only answer as far as I can see is sorting out the root problems in the countries they are fleeing from but in all reality that is an impossible task.

[Kapitan]

Heard similarly from a few friends, some of whom live in the towns these people are coming ashore in.

The only answer as far as I can see is sorting out the root problems in the countries they are fleeing from but in all reality that is an impossible task.

Alot of them are not fleeing from war zones though thats the issue, some of the countries listed are just not performing economically.

[skidman]

So if you were a young man sitting in a country, that is not "performing economically", what would you do? You are 20, you have not used a water closet in your life. Your father comes to you, he says: Son, we have pooled all the family's money, we want you to go to Europe. What do you do? Be honest.

[mapuc]

^ I came to think of what our ancestor did.

(From memory)

The eldest/strongest son got the money the family had saved. He used this for the ticket to USA/Australia.
It could also be a small village, who saved money and send a couple of young strong men to one of these promise land.

There he/they tried to get a job, because there wasn't any social benefits.

Many failed in doing so.

There was those who had success and after a decade or so, he send money to the rest of the family, so they could immigrate.

So it's not exactly new invention-sending the strongest young man/men to Europe.

Markus

[skidman]

You missed my point. My question was: Can we blame those, who try to get to Europe (or the UK, who just discovered how useful Dublin III is, but in all other respects thinks European agreements are a piece of sh*t)?

Can we blame them? Be honest.

[Catfish]

^ Who is them? The migrants? No, perfectly understandable.

So it must be the EU's fault that they get to England? Nope.

"The UK has the right to send back anyone who is seeking asylum if they could have reasonably claimed it in another country along the way." Dublin III as mentioned.

The UK already had this right before Dublin III, and the best joke is that the UK has later opted out of all deals before the EU assembly, and voluntarily accepted all migrants (disregarding the EU treaty).

Which is because all here were a bit astonished, and then laughed at Farage and his racist Hetz-Kampagne.
But all this has been said a hundred times and no one listening.

If the UK wants to prevent migrants from coming to the UK it needs new/other laws, or better some for every country of origin or any country a migrant may migrate from, to the UK. EU migrant laws will not apply after september 2020 when the UK gets out of the EU without a deal, not that anyone ever cared, in the UK.
Don't tell this to "The Sun" or Farage :03:

[Jimbuna]

As far as I'm aware very few if any at all have been returned to the country they last left which is usually France.

[Catfish]

But why then.

While the EU is ok with returning refugees to their home countries as long as it is considered "safe", or the last country in which they could have asked for help, why does the Uk then accept those migrants, complains about immigation numbers, invites some hundred thousand Hong Kong refugees, blames the EU and asks for more sovereignty?

Sorry i forgot rule #1: It is alway the EU's fault :)

[Jimbuna]

In this instance I blame France for most of them.

[em2nought]

I'd be willing to trade Antifa nut jobs for anyone wishing to flee Hong Kong. :D

[Kapitan]

In reference to some of your points Catfish this is how i see it and im not claiming to be right or wrong here:

The UK spends a lot of money in foreign aid to better countries around the world, unfortunately these countries seem to squander a lot of this money and channel it to off shore accounts thus depriving the people.

Charities like Oxfam and the likes employ a CEO which takes a large salary from the donations, then the rest of the monies ends up in wealth creation funds such as buildings for private rent and other speculative wealth creation, out of all the donations id definatly like to see what actually gets spent on the cause.

So these people are being short changed twice by well wishers.

Secondly il add this: your a 20 year old and your family is happy for you to take all the money they have and give it away to a criminal organisation (thats exactly what they are) and trust them that they wont take off with the money, or sell you into the sex or slavery trade, or thaat they wont abuse you or kill you.

Your going to pay a lot of money for someone to help you get into a country and to risk your life and if it goes wrong theres no come backs your on your own and if you die you die but the criminal is thousands of dollars richer and your family is poorer.

so lets say they get to the UK they try to claim asylem and get refused and deported back to country of origin, what have they spent that money for to go right back to square one, and guess what they just made it harder for themselves to try and return.

Im sorry catfish but you cleaarly have not had to deal with these people nor have you seen them operate in the places like Calais unfortunately i have and the companies ive worked for its cost them so far tens of millions of pounds.

You want to know why there is a drug shortage in the NHS ? yes you can in some ways link it to these people, while assisting a co worker in my former job he relayed to me that in the space of two months he had had 7 loads of pharmacuticals rejected due to these very people breaking into trucks along the corridor (A16) once they are in the load is no longer sterile and it is always re routed to Edmunton incinerator for destruction.

Those 7 loads were easily over the 10 million mark alone, thats without the damage they cause to trucks and trailers and the other economic problems they bring to the table, and also the people of the UK dependant on those drugs arriving on time that now have to wait longer some cases too long. (if your wondering DFDS brings in around 30% of drugs made in the EU to the UK)

these people under the UN charter must present themselves to authorities in the first safe country they can then file for asylem in the UK.

Having been out to calais and other areas theres a shortage of women in the camps these people are not escaping war in a lot of the countries they come from they are just trying to get to the UK in the hope they get a house and some money.

Having lived in the southeast and had these people around it has caused nothing but issues, and granted not all of it their fault at all.

When i came to Canada i had to pass an english test and im a native speaker, now alot of these people cant speak read or write english therefore their employment prospects are next to zero in the UK therefore they cease to be a economic benefit and become a economic hindrence.

Do i blame them for wanting to come to the UK or other western countries for a better life?

NO I DONT all i ask is do it the right way and il support that and even help.

But smashing up trucks, causing harm to drivers (so far 2 have been killed i know of), flouting laws, and engaging in criminal activity

im sorry i cannot support that.

[Catfish]

^? Who said i support that?

What i said is that i can understand people who want to have a better future, maybe because other civilised nations have bombed their country into smithereens, or just because of hoping to have a better life somewhere else, economically or whatever. I can understand this and i can't blame the initial idea. Can you?

What i ask is why the english government does not deport illegal immigrants if it has all the means, legally and politically, to do so? And instead blame the EU?
Germany gave the impression that "all are welcome", but this is our problem. Shall we also blame the EU for that?

[Skybird]

Foreigners wishes must not be our commands. European migration policies are full of contradcitions, softening up of rules, rules get hollowed out by endless exceptions form the rules (or simply breaking them), and worst of all: we still mount incentves over incentives for froegners wanting to come and stay here.We do so in violation of togh words being said on some occasions, becasue then the politicians face the anger of the streets.


The australians did it right. And caught nothing but Flak for that. But thats the way that works: not establishing incentives to get there but bulding deterrances to go there.


Dont want the biggets mas smigration movement of history flushing into Europe? Secure the borders, if needed with military means. Chnage asylum laws. Do not promise free meals and payment for all. Deter instead of inviting. Lock the door instea dof leaving it wide open. And do not make your self vulnerable to blackmailing by a door guard who is openly hostile to your culture now and has an interest in flooding Europe with migrants to destabilise it.



But then the always eternally concerned take over and ruin it once again. Althugh it shoukd be known by now that wantign to think by thy heart never works.



These things can be solved, of course they can be solved. Is just that one does nto want to do what is needed for that. No sweat, no blood, no ffort, please. Let it look like an elegant, effortless waltz instead.


No way this way. Get tough. Stay true to yourself. "Us" is not "them", cultures are not all the same and are not of the same deveopment and value. People are not all the same. We have a natural right to disciminate and to decide whom we let in and who not. And of course we have the right to check what the other cna do for us if we let him in - and to throw him out again if he does not comply with our ways and values and rules and laws. But not even repeated high profiled criinals and caln gansgter we manage to get kicked before our courts.


Weak stupib, indifferent, crelessly wasting our notorioulsy decreasing freedoms and ressources. Thats what we are.

[Jimbuna]

UK officially in recession for first time in 11 years.

The UK economy suffered its biggest slump on record between April and June as coronavirus lockdown measures pushed the country officially into recession.

The economy shrank 20.4% compared with the first three months of the year.

Household spending plunged as shops were ordered to close, while factory and construction output also fell.

This pushed the UK into its first technical recession - defined as two consecutive quarters of economic decline - since 2009.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53748278

Plenty more of this ahead of us I reckon.

[skidman]

"Us" is not "them", cultures are not all the same and are not of the same deveopment and value. People are not all the same. We have a natural right to disciminate and to decide whom we let in and who not.

Ah, good ol Skybird again. From a member of the superior culture (and race?) I had expected a better thought-out posting. But, you know...

[Catfish]

Skybird: "Cultures are not of the same development and value"
So it is you to judge.. you obviously never heard of science or ethnology? This is a dumb statement well suited for certain americans and the far right. Why don't you emigrate? Mention Mises and Ayn Rand, they will take you with open arms.
No compliment b.t.w..

[Catfish]

Another immigrant: Deta Hedman.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/darts/53677651