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Catfish

11-01-20, 04:22 AM

^ :haha:
:) This is actually very good, stuff for a novel :up:

Jimbuna

11-01-20, 05:50 AM

^ :haha:
:) This is actually very good, stuff for a novel :up:

:haha:

Gerald

11-01-20, 09:44 PM

Donald Trump and Joe Biden are travelling across the nation on Sunday as the US election enters its closing stage.

President Trump planned to visit five battleground states while his challenger Mr Biden spoke at a campaign event in Pennsylvania.

The Democratic candidate maintains a solid national lead in the polls ahead of Tuesday's general election.

But this advantage is narrower in key states which could decide the result.

More than 90 million people have already cast their ballots in early voting, putting the country on course for its highest turnout in a century.

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54774532

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54665375

Side links, https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/523918-trump-stages-five-rallies-in-five-states-in-pre-election-sprint

Catfish

11-02-20, 03:23 AM

It seems Trump is not the cause but the result of the divide in the US. But it is not statesmanlike to deepen the trenches for his personal benefit.
He may not be racist himself but he embraces anyone who will support him, giving licence to people to be racist and xenophobic.
It looks like Trump will declare himself the winner before the votes are all counted, regardless the outcome.

- If the counts suppport it, ok.
- If there are more Biden voters and electors, Trump will tweet that the election was a fraud, and we all can imagine what happens next.

Jimbuna

11-02-20, 06:33 AM

Final push for Trump and Biden with a day to go

Donald Trump continues his frenetic pace of campaigning in North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan.

His Democratic rival Joe Biden will campaign in Pennsylvania and Ohio ahead of Tuesday's poll.

Biden will be joined by Lady Gaga at a rally in Pittsburgh, while singer John Legend appears with running-mate Kamala Harris in Philadelphia.

Some 90 million people have already voted.

The country is on course for its highest electoral turnout rate in more than a century.

A court in Houston is to consider a Republican claim that drive-through voting is illegal and 120,000 votes should be void.

The FBI says it's investigating after a convoy of vehicles with Trump flags surrounded a bus carrying Biden campaign staff on a Texas highway.

The final push for votes follows America’s worst ever week for new coronavirus cases, with more than 1,000 people dying each day.

Onkel Neal

11-02-20, 09:34 AM

It seems Trump is not the cause but the result of the divide in the US. But it is not statesmanlike to deepen the trenches for his personal benefit.

I think it's a little of both, life imitates art which inspires art....

Aktungbby

11-02-20, 11:33 AM

I think it's a little of both, life imitates art which inspires art.......hopefully resulting in "You're Fired"!!:arrgh!:

mapuc

11-02-20, 07:08 PM

(with the voice from wargame)

Less then 23 hours to impact

Markus

August

11-02-20, 07:32 PM

...hopefully resulting in "You're Fired"!!:arrgh!:

Fired up to go bigly on a second term you mean!

Gerald

11-03-20, 09:38 PM

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/election-us-2020-54786937

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/524295-live-updates-democrats-fight-to-take-control-of-the-senate?rnd=1604443212

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/524319-live-updates-democrats-seek-to-extend-house-advantage?rnd=1604441859

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/524255-trump-and-biden-battle-for-the-white-house-live-updates

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-election2020

skidman

11-04-20, 03:14 AM

https://counteveryvote.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/web1-1024x349.png

Jimbuna

11-04-20, 05:53 AM

Either way, this is going to be tight.

Bilge_Rat

11-04-20, 08:00 AM

Looking good so far, could still go either way, but good chance Trump will be around for 4 more years.

Platapus

11-04-20, 08:47 AM

I need to organize an intervention for The Frau to get her away from the TV. She is riveted watching non-reporting of no data.
I am trying to tell her that it will be days before we know anything.
The issue is that she is watching minute-by-minute reporting of data that takes hours to be published.

This makes the news reporting more resemble lousy half-time shows in football games where washed up football players are sharing their "what if" and "this is because" opinions on what "will" happen in the second half. :doh:

I watched a little of this with her and some of the reporting was along the line of:

"If Trump wins a state with 5 Electors, his number of electors will increase by 5". Man, I gotta sit down for this type of breaking news.

Then another "expert" reported, that it is not about addition, but also subtraction.

"If Trump wins a state with 5 electors not only will his number of electors increase by 5, but most likely the number of electors for Biden will decrease by 5!"

Whoa Whoa Whoa, there. That's too much sciencey mathy stuff there professor. You better draw a picture to make this concept clear... Addition AND subtraction???

And they did. They all have these fancy interactive displays where they can turn states on and off in relation to candidates. Colors flash and change and number bar graphs change.... and it represents nothing new.

And The Frau is eating this up with a big spoon. I am trying to tell her that they are just playing math "what if" games.

We have incomplete data and will continue to have incomplete data for a while.

But I am impressed at how the news anchors can keep acting all excited for hours with the same data. They should hire them to do football half time shows.

AVGWarhawk

11-04-20, 08:51 AM

It appears Trump for another 4. Polling folks...maybe a good time to find alternative work.

Onkel Neal

11-04-20, 09:33 AM

I need to organize an intervention for The Frau to get her away from the TV. She is riveted watching non-reporting of no data.

:haha::haha: That's a pretty funny description, probably applies to 100 million Americans now.

If it ends up with the trends now showing, I think Trump wins.

AVGWarhawk

11-04-20, 10:01 AM

:haha::haha: That's a pretty funny description, probably applies to 100 million Americans now.

If it ends up with the trends now showing, I think Trump wins.

At this juncture, Biden has a good shot. Very tight race in MI and WI. I think AZ was called to early.

Jimbuna

11-04-20, 10:11 AM

At this juncture, Biden has a good shot. Very tight race in MI and WI. I think AZ was called to early.

Not ten minutes ago the BBC are reporting Biden slightly ahead in MI and WI.

AVGWarhawk

11-04-20, 10:17 AM

Not ten minutes ago the BBC are reporting Biden slightly ahead in MI and WI.

Yes sir. The gap appears to be narrowing.

Onkel Neal

11-04-20, 10:17 AM

If Trump loses either MI or WI, he's done.

Five states remain toss-ups: Georgia, North Carolina, Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. Elections officials in each state are urging voters to remain calm and allow all ballots to be counted.

Particularly in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan, the number of legally cast, but yet-to-be-counted ballots was boosting Democrats' hopes of overcoming deficits among voters who headed to the polls on Election Day. The influx of mail-in ballots spurred by the pandemic has helped Biden take a narrow lead in Michigan and Wisconsin as of Wednesday morning.

Yeah, what I thought weeks ago, you make it super easy to vote, even the laziest liberals will somehow get a ballot cast.

AVGWarhawk

11-04-20, 10:21 AM

If Trump loses either MI or WI, he's done.

Trump needs GA, NC, PA. AK should go to Trump for 3. If NV goes Trump then it is his. He campaigned heavily in NV. Folks in NV are afraid of a Biden COVID19 shut down. Casinos don't want to hear that.

Jimbuna

11-04-20, 10:25 AM

A question if I may....should Trump win or lose, will he learn any lesson or is his ego so overpowering he is unable to control it?

Onkel Neal

11-04-20, 10:28 AM

Trump is not capable of that.

AVGWarhawk

11-04-20, 10:30 AM

A question if I may....should Trump win or lose, will he learn any lesson or is his ego so overpowering he is unable to control it?

Trump is a narcissist. He will tweet to the bitter end. However, he will go on with his business' and play golf in FL. He is a work-a-holic.

Hopefully he does no hang onto it like bitter Hillary Clinton.

August

11-04-20, 10:33 AM

Trump is not capable of that.

I have not seen humility displayed by either side. You know that if the Dems do find enough ballots to squeak out a narrow win they will act like it was a total mandate for everything on their agenda.

AVGWarhawk

11-04-20, 10:36 AM

You know that if the Dems do find enough ballots to squeak out a narrow win they will act like it was a total mandate for everything on their agenda.

No doubt.

Torvald Von Mansee

11-04-20, 10:44 AM

Ha ha!! My prediction is almost certainly true!! Trump is going to be "re-elected!!" What I find stunning is how many of you think Trump appointing 1/3rd of SCOTUS and SCOTUS deciding the election somehow passes the smell test. Or that it's cool to win the EC, but lose the popular vote. So, to recap, in my lifetime the following has happened: 1968 - Nixon's campaign tells the North Vietnamese to concede nothing in negotiations with the Democratic White House to prevent an October surprise. 1972 - Watergate 1980 - Reagan campaign negotiates arms for hostage if Reagan gains power (but don't release them before the election day!!) 1988 - Willy Horton 2000 - 'nuff said 2004 - Ohio may have been stolen 2016 - I think a lot of people simply stayed home because voting is a mild hassle and it never occurred to them that DONALD TRUMP would be elected. Now Trump wants to stop the FIRST count, let alone any recount? Really?? PS - Why did my line breaks all disappear?

AVGWarhawk

11-04-20, 10:47 AM

Onkel Neal

11-04-20, 10:47 AM

I have not seen humility displayed by either side. You know that if the Dems do find enough ballots to squeak out a narrow win they will act like it was a total mandate for everything on their agenda.

Oh, I agree. Lord help us if Trump loses.

As I've said many times in the past, the days of conservative politicians winning elections is quickly coming to an end.

AVGWarhawk

11-04-20, 10:50 AM

Oh, I agree. Lord help us if Trump loses.

As I've said many times in the past, the days of conservative politicians winning elections is quickly coming to an end.

Yes because the new breed of Socialist will engineer social, economic, racial, and environmental justice. Fools errand certainly that will cost us plenty.

Jimbuna

11-04-20, 10:59 AM

Onkel Neal

11-04-20, 12:00 PM

.... pretty sharp analysis

@2:35

https://youtu.be/xyGr_huFMh4?t=155

@3:43 "Democrats are more likely to use mail-in ballots". No s&it sherlock. And now what mail-in ballots, month long "absentee"/early voting, and every other possible lowering the bar for voting has proven successful, the Democrats will make sure these methods stick, and will be used from now on.

Yeah, democracy wins.

mapuc

11-04-20, 12:36 PM

AVGWarhawk

11-04-20, 12:47 PM

A friend postet this twitter link half hour ago.

Is this an attempt to cheat ???

https://twitter.com/JulieCareyNBC/status/1323869734488674304?s=20&fbclid=IwAR3YD_6nMoauVLRfkN-FwLgviR2sK4qxw041s-KBKPdqVkY3PL0lAwN6kpw

Markus

I does appear to look like voter fraud. At any rate, VA goes blue all the time. I wish the news would not call a state just on this fact. FOX called AZ why to early last night. When a state is called too early potential voters leave the line to vote or don't show up at all to vote.

skidman

11-04-20, 01:18 PM

A friend postet this twitter link half hour ago.

Is this an attempt to cheat ???

https://twitter.com/JulieCareyNBC/status/1323869734488674304?s=20&fbclid=IwAR3YD_6nMoauVLRfkN-FwLgviR2sK4qxw041s-KBKPdqVkY3PL0lAwN6kpw

Markus

Well, there is an update:

https://publish.twitter.com/?query=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FJulieCareyNBC%2 Fstatus%2F1324005162827059202&widget=Tweet

In general Twitter is neither a good tool for journalists nor for politicians. Twitter is fast but vague and oversimplifying. Everyone who uses Twitter as his primary means of communication is a dim-witted covfefe.

Catfish

11-04-20, 01:45 PM

Bilge_Rat

11-04-20, 01:52 PM

Trump is exactly where 66 million + americans want him.

u crank

11-04-20, 02:27 PM

Can anyone even imagine how completely megalomaniac Trump will become when he really wins? And what this will mean to handling the pandemic, let alone the further "rebuilding" the US democratic system?

If Trump wins it is possible that both his supporters and his detractors may be disappointed in some ways. Second term Presidents are no longer concerned about re-election. Case in point ... Obama.

Skybird

11-04-20, 02:31 PM

Already months ago I said a Trump not needing to care for getting reelected will act even more relentlessly than he had in his first term. Or as somebody from his closest circle put it some time ago: "Second term will be Shock&Awe!" -

We have a clear winner of the election, btw. The Kremlin. No matter which name it will be, the result will always cause further long times, months and years with America being interested mainly in itself and not being able to get into the way of Russian geostrategic interests, especially those pushed forward by creatiugn hard facts on the ground. The Russians have America were they always wanted it to: completely absorbed with its own inner conflicts. Better outcome they could not have hoped for: the ununited and divided states of America is a reality now. And there is big hope for getting even more polarization and windeing hgaps and desintegration of national integrity. Additionally, a process was was established of growign erosion of trust into state institutions, laws, courts. More destruction you cannot trigger without launching a cyberwar and starting to switch off water dam controls, traffic lights, airport system and power grids - or starting to drop bombs and shooting missiles. For them, launching Trump successfully was like firing a self-steering cruise missile with multiple fragmentation warheads that homed in onto its target autonomously. And the Americans still do not get it, do not want to get it!

Skybird

11-04-20, 02:49 PM

Biden won the public vote, btw, with a lead of 2-3% and more total votes for him than any candidate and president in the American history ever has collected before him.

When will they ever skip this fraudelnt election system? Do people even realise that they accept that the votes of people from different places have different weights, and the vote of the one guys count more and the votes of the others count less, depending only on which side of ink lines on maps they live ?

Trump is right, the election is in danger of gettign stolen once again, like many times before. By the election system itself. (And if that does not help, by his minions).

AVGWarhawk

11-04-20, 02:59 PM

Standing by for Hunter Biden Gate and what is on his laptop! So goes politics in America.

The media will have nothing to talk about now. Who will they bash and belittle? The late night comedians/show hosts...what will their monologue consist of? SNL(Saturday Night Live) will have nothing for the show.....

However, Gaffer Joe....we will be in for some fun gibberish and gaffs!

Catfish

11-04-20, 03:24 PM

Really strange, Alaska is clearly for Trump despite that?
“America’s Amazon” is being sold to China, at a huge cost to the environment, and a net loss to taxpayers"

https://www.outsideonline.com/2418325/trump-strips-protections-tongass-national-forest#close

The US left the international Paris climate treaty today (only country in the world), but what does Alaska's citizens think it will do for them when it is sold to China. Short-term jobs and then nothing?

August

11-04-20, 03:43 PM

Biden won the public vote, btw, with a lead of 2-3% and more total votes for him than any candidate and president in the American history ever has collected before him.

When will they ever skip this fraudelnt election system?

When will you realize that our system was deliberately designed that way for very specific reasons that are just as valid today as they were back then. I'm not going to bother explaining them to you, again, ------

skidman

11-04-20, 04:25 PM

Standing by for Hunter Biden Gate and what is on his laptop!

Aaaahhh, finally: The laptop from hell.

I hope u crank was right: This piece of defective hardware will only surface if Biden wins. If the orange imbecile wins, the public will forget it even existed. So maybe this is like Judas Iscariot in the Garden of Gethsemane. My prophecy: As soon as the laptop from hell is written about on the forum for the third time from now on, we can be sure Biden has come through.

https://cdn.osxdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/broken-macbook-pro.jpg

LoH-count = 1

Skybird

11-04-20, 04:44 PM

https://cdn.osxdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/broken-macbook-pro.jpg

Hm. Seems that even hell is not what it once used to be anymore. Climate cooling?

u crank

11-04-20, 04:46 PM

Well if Biden does win things won't be that much fun in the Whitehouse for the Democratic administration. It looks pretty certain that the GOP will retain control of the Senate. Good luck in appointing lefty judges or court packing. And of course the Supreme court is now a pretty solid Conservative outfit thanks to Trump and McConnell so no joy there. And it looks like Pelosi's majority will be reduced so if Joe trys to get cute with executive orders that hurt the American economy, look for a blood bath in the 2020 midterms.

Catfish

11-04-20, 04:58 PM

"Mr Trump has made clear that he intends to use legal actions to secure his re-election and that he expects the Supreme Court to ultimately rule in his favour in any dispute."

Ah.

mapuc

11-04-20, 05:01 PM

Some input to your comment.

So this should be Biden's famous Laptop. It looks like someone has gone mad with a hammer..which will not help as long the HDD/RAM/motherboard is not damage/smaller damage.

When Reagan was in Charge the Dems had majority in both Congress and Senate-despite this he manage to get many of his thing through both chamber.

Trump demands a recount in one of the Swing state-He has the right to demand this..if the authorities will approve this is another question.

Trump want the count of votes being stopped-Even here he has the right to demand this....If Supreme court approve this is another question.

I try to imagine what will happen in the street IF Biden leads with 258 something electoral votes and the Supreme court approve Trumps demand and order a stop in counting votes.

Or if Supreme court goes against Trump.

Markus

Skybird

11-04-20, 05:01 PM

Biden 253 : 214 now (NBC), with a tight lead in Nevada and a solid lead in Arizona, which would bring the missing 11 + 6 .

The mobster than will start operation coup d'etat via court abuse. Maybe he is speculating for the chaos that breaks out if Biden dies due to age during the ongoing process...

Will there be a boxed version of this game? I start to find some taste in it. Title could be "Les règles c'est moi"

Catfish

11-04-20, 05:04 PM

When will you realize that our system was deliberately designed that way for very specific reasons that are just as valid today as they were back then. I'm not going to bother explaining them to you, again [...].
So yes, they made it that way. It is the electorate that counts. If Biden wins (not sure yet), will you accept the outcome, or will Trump?

Also it was never a good system:
"George Washington’s farewell address is often remembered for its warning against hyper-partisanship:
“The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism.”"

August

11-04-20, 05:10 PM

So yes, they made it that way. Will you accept the outcome, or will Trump?

Of course he will. Me, it doesn't matter whether I do or not. Either way I still have to go to work tomorrow.

Also it was never a good system:"George Washington’s farewell address is often remembered for its warning against hyper-partisanship:

“The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism.”"

That's your proof it's not a good system? You do realize that this quote, if accurate, can be applied to a popular vote method as well. Got anything else?

mapuc

11-04-20, 05:19 PM

Didn't trump criticize this system during the election 2016 and after he had won almost worshipped it ?

I could be wrong

Markus

Skybird

11-04-20, 05:22 PM

Its a dumb and rigged system, meant to - surprise - rig elections, plain and simple. All the rationales given to excuse or to explain it - I understand their points, I am not dumb - I just do not buy them. They do not convince, and cannot convince, since they rig the election. Elections are not fair nor equal, if votes count differently.

Whats worse, they said that in some states Trump may want to stop voting to win time to have regional Republican power using it to replace people in the electorate collage to have people in place that will vote Trump even if the state was won by Biden. Typically Trump. Cheat, lie, betray, lie, play foul, tell more lies. Lies, lies, lies, lies, all his life long nothing but lies. His whole life is a fake. That, for a change, is no lie.

Catfish

11-04-20, 05:24 PM

re August: It was a good idea at the time, but some foresaw what could happen.. it took some 200 years though.
I think there were enough interests and political ideas widespread across public 'strata' and counties, and professions, partly overlapping, with enough necessity to build coalitions and negotiate across the nation and different views, so this all still worked in two parties, but now there are only those two with their fixed ideas and that's it.
They wanted to avoid a partisan majority, but people have at some point stopped talking to each other, negotiate and make deals, across the parties. It is all about me myself I and not about the country. Like here. Or in England.
No, i have no better idea.

Skybird

11-04-20, 05:24 PM

Didn't trump criticize this system during the election 2016 and after he had won almost worshipped it ?

I could be wrong

Markus
He did not accept the voting result 2016 as real, since the public vote saw Clinton hzaviugn defeated him, and that was more than his inflaitonary ego could bear. To him it is unimaginable that people could want to not love him.

Try to argue with a psychotic narcissist. You bite on granit.

Skybird

11-04-20, 05:32 PM

It was a good idea at the time, but some foresaw what could happen.. it took some 200 years though.
I think there were enough interests and political ideas widespread over public 'strata' and counties, and professions, with enough necessity to build coalitions and negotiate across the nation, so this all still worked in two parties, but now there are only those two with their fixed ideas and that's it.
They wanted to avoid a partisan majority, but people have at some point stopped talking to each other, negotiate and make deals, across the parties. It is all about me myself I and not about the country. Like here. Or in England.
No, i have no better idea.
I can think of alternatives, and sometimes have described some of them. Smaller administrative hierarchy levels and administration zones, less power for for political actors on a much smaller playing field offerign far less options to hide and to abuse. Self-administration (which needs even smaller administration zones). "Small is beautiful. " The bigger the structure of power administration, the more the dirt and the malice finds ways to hide in it. Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Thats why I totally oppose multi-national organisaiton, or the EU. They just work more bad than good, always. Corona - WHO. A desaster. Leave a dminmstraiton to small regional locations and local institutzions. Leave the taxes in the local region.Implement manager and poltlican liability (with opriuvate proerty, and poruvate freedom). No office immunity anymore. Limited terms, limited lifetime allowed to spend in active potlics. Total prohibition of business lobbyists. Leaders shall not be allowed to exclude themselves from the consequences of the decisions they make. They have to be the living exmaple.

Oh, and say Sayonara to this damn Führer cult.

mapuc

11-04-20, 05:48 PM

Forgot to tell you about a situation in an interview which I saw on some channel not so long ago.

An Afro american was asked on which candidate he would put his vote

This maleperson said

I have/will vote on Trump

The response from this journalist was speechless

BUT...you're black

Markus

August

11-04-20, 06:20 PM

re August: It was a good idea at the time, but some foresaw what could happen.. it took some 200 years though.
I think there were enough interests and political ideas widespread over public 'strata' and counties, and professions, with enough necessity to build coalitions and negotiate across the nation, so this all still worked in two parties, but now there are only those two with their fixed ideas and that's it.
They wanted to avoid a partisan majority, but people have at some point stopped talking to each other, negotiate and make deals, across the parties. It is all about me myself I and not about the country. Like here. Or in England.
No, i have no better idea.

But Catfish none of that is an argument for or against the Electoral college. Rather it's an argument against the two party system which is not the same thing at all. The EC can exist just fine with three or more parties.
As I have repeatedly said we are the United States of America. Understand what that means. We are not 360 million individuals, never have been. We are a collection of 50 sovereign states and both our constitution and nation are based on that. The states send representatives to the national congress and the states elect the national president. That's the way it was designed.

Now maybe the system has some warts but it still works far better than any other large multicultural nations system of government. Maybe you prefer the Eurocrat EC or even the Communist Chinese or Russian Strongman models but you can't argue against the strength and longevity of our system and I feel that we would abandon it at our peril. Yours too unless you think a Balkanized nuclear armed America would be to your advantage.

Onkel Neal

11-04-20, 06:39 PM

It's not looking good for Trump. If he loses Michigan and Wisconsin, and he doesn't catch up in Nevada, it's all over. He may as well start packing his hair spray trunk.

https://www.270towin.com/maps/9XnPL

Just think, August, Connecticut could have made him a two-term president.

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=1206&pictureid=11594

Platapus

11-04-20, 07:33 PM

‘If Voting Made a Difference, They Wouldn’t Let Us Do It’

Attributed to Mark Twain but most likely in error.

Skybird

11-04-20, 07:55 PM

However, I think as far as laws and rules are applied, its game over for Trump. He may try to play more foul later on, but by counting ballots, even with this election college thing interfering with it all, he soon will be shown to have been defeated, I expecte to learn soon.

Congratulations for finally getting rid of Trump, America. My condolences for getting Harris instead. And with this I say Good Night for tonight.

August

11-04-20, 07:58 PM

Just think, August, Connecticut could have made him a two-term president.

Erm ok. Why Connecticut?

Onkel Neal

11-04-20, 08:05 PM

Bee-cause we need EVERY vote!! :03:

Even without Mi and Wisc Trump would have won, if Connecticutt had done right.

https://www.270towin.com/maps/EW1Wp.png

The only chance Trump has now is Nevada and we should know in the morning.

President Biden. Skybird, while we may have gotten rid of Trump, we got rid of the country as well.

August

11-04-20, 08:26 PM

Bee-cause we need EVERY vote!! :03:

Even without Mi and Wisc Trump would have won, if Connecticutt had done right.

First off Trump hasn't lost yet. Maybe he will and maybe he won't but there has been enough chicanery to warrant recounts that might expose a few things that might change the picture, like how magical boxes of pure 100% Democrat votes can suddenly appear overnight. Nobody else gets a single vote, not Trump or the two other independent candidates, but the Biden suddenly zooms up 100k votes to take the lead? Sounds fishy no? Then there is the sudden coordinated vote count stoppage in several Dem run battleground states for several hours. Was this to give them enough time to figure out who didn't vote in person and assign one to them? Lots of questions there.

Second that was a weird example. Connecticut was never going to vote for Trump, neither was Massachusetts or New York. All deep blue states. You might as well have used California!

Last, whether Trump wins or looses I still have to go to work in the morning. It looks like the GoP will retain the senate and while I don't trust those snakes any farther than I would like to throw them, they will represent a bulwark against the expected excesses of the Democrats in the House and the Harris administration.

Reece

11-04-20, 10:52 PM

I feel for you Dave, fingers and toes crossed, I'm really hoping Trump will win! :yep:

Onkel Neal

11-05-20, 12:09 AM

First off Trump hasn't lost yet. Maybe he will and maybe he won't but there has been enough chicanery to warrant recounts that might expose a few things that might change the picture, like how magical boxes of pure 100% Democrat votes can suddenly appear overnight. Nobody else gets a single vote, not Trump or the two other independent candidates, but the Biden suddenly zooms up 100k votes to take the lead? Sounds fishy no? Then there is the sudden coordinated vote count stoppage in several Dem run battleground states for several hours. Was this to give them enough time to figure out who didn't vote in person and assign one to them? Lots of questions there.

Second that was a weird example. Connecticut was never going to vote for Trump, neither was Massachusetts or New York. All deep blue states. You might as well have used California!

Last, whether Trump wins or looses I still have to go to work in the morning. It looks like the GoP will retain the senate and while I don't trust those snakes any farther than I would like to throw them, they will represent a bulwark against the expected excesses of the Democrats in the House and the Harris administration.

Oh, ha ha, my state geography ignorance just exposed itself. :haha: I was picking on you, I thought Masachusetts was a city in Conneticutt... I forgot Massachusets is a whole state. I blame them too. They need to lump all those mini-states into one state with an easy name to remember (and spell) like New England or something.

And yeah, is fishy stuff happeneing? Maybe, maybe not, depends on which side your on. If you recall in July,

If Biden narrowly wins Michigan in Nov and that's the state that clinches the 270 he needs, if Trump starts the narrative that the results are not valid...

It's like this has been scripted out months in advance... :hmmm:

nikimcbee

11-05-20, 12:15 AM

Oh, ha ha, my state geography ignorance just exposed itself. :haha: I was picking on you, I thought Masachusetts was a city in Conneticutt... I forgot Massachusets is a whole state. I blame them too. They need to lump all those mini-states into one state with an easy name to remember (and spell) like New England or something.

And yeah, is fishy stuff happeneing? Maybe, maybe not, depends on which side your on. If you recall in July,

It's like this has been scripted out months in advance... :hmmm:

So, in this bigger state, would MA be part of NY or the other way around? Greater NewYork?

nikimcbee

11-05-20, 12:21 AM

skidman

11-05-20, 12:24 AM

And now what mail-in ballots, month long "absentee"/early voting, and every other possible lowering the bar for voting has proven successful, the Democrats will make sure these methods stick, and will be used from now on.

Yeah, democracy wins.

Absolutely. These measures have resulted in the highest voter turnout since (at least) 1980 (with a pandemic virus en route!). And even if you don't like the outcome, "lowering the bar" is a disrespectful phrase in this context.

Onkel Neal

11-05-20, 12:25 AM

With all the Californians flooding into Texas, we'll be a blue state too, by the next election.

Joe Biden wins Michigan, Wisconsin, nearing 270 electoral votes
https://www.kare11.com/article/news/politics/elections/us-presidency-tight-races/507-2648fddb-6cab-4db1-9c3f-f696e23ecd17

Short of a Holy Miracle, Trump is on the way out.

Absolutely. These measures have resulted in the highest voter turnout since (at least) 1980 (with a pandemic virus en route!). And even if you don't like the outcome, "lowering the bar" is a disrespectful phrase in this context.

Well, lowering the bar certainly is what it is. It's wonderful that the guy across the block who hasn't held a job in 20 years, drinks all day, has 8 kids by 6 baby mommas and lives off of a government check gets the same voting power as the guy who works, pays taxes, and is responsible for his family. Sure, the slobs always had the right to vote, lucky for us they seldom bothered. Now with one party ensuring effortless voting, they do.

nikimcbee

11-05-20, 12:29 AM

With all the Californians flooding into Texas, we'll be a blue state too, by the next election.

https://www.kare11.com/article/news/politics/elections/us-presidency-tight-races/507-2648fddb-6cab-4db1-9c3f-f696e23ecd17

Short of a Holy Miracle, Trump is on the way out.

Enjoy your new pandemic, the California virus. Maybe subsim could make protective masks?:D

Onkel Neal

11-05-20, 12:35 AM

Nah, my strategy is to be the Arpad Kovacs of Texas liberals.:shucks:

skidman

11-05-20, 12:37 AM

And yeah, is fishy stuff happeneing? Maybe, maybe not, depends on which side your on.

No it doesn't. But this is another good example of what is happening to common sense and sportsmanship if you put a notorious liar in the Oval Office, that peu á peu poisons the nation's soul.

It's like this has been scripted out months in advance... :hmmm:

And the next conspiracy theory in the making. :har:

nikimcbee

11-05-20, 12:45 AM

Nah, my strategy is to be the Arpad Kovacs of Texas liberals.:shucks:

Could you build a wall around Austin?

You could do something like this:
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1999-apr-25-me-30838-story.html

skidman

11-05-20, 12:51 AM

Well, lowering the bar certainly is what it is. It's wonderful that the guy across the block who hasn't held a job in 20 years, drinks all day, has 8 kids by 6 baby mommas and lives off of a government check gets the same voting power as the guy who works, pays taxes, and is responsible for his family. Sure, the slobs always had the right to vote, lucky for us they seldom bothered. Now with one party ensuring effortless voting, they do.

Ah, I know this guy. Yep, he voted for the first time and he voted for Trump. :hmmm:

Go on, paint your country black and white. It surely helps to come to terms with the challenges ahead.:o

Sean C

11-05-20, 04:23 AM

"Trump is not capable of that."

"Trump is a narcissist. He will tweet to the bitter end. However, he will go on with his business' and play golf in FL. He is a work-a-holic.

Hopefully he does no hang onto it like bitter Hillary Clinton."

I was thinking along those lines (Multi quote doesn't work either...banging head on keyboard).

I also agree with the quoted statements. Just yesterday I was remarking to a co-worker that Trump's brain probably is incapable of acknowledging defeat or failure. Oddly, that's probably a big part of why he is our President in the first place.

I mean, no one can deny the man has had more than a few failures. And there is no shortage of people pointing them out. But he just keeps on ... being Trump. Whatever you make of that.

Regardless: No matter who is elected, this country will be fine. We have survived a violent birth, civil war, assassinations, world wars, Woody Allen, depressions, pandemics, and the worst president in history - who everybody knows is ....

Woodrow Wilson.

Skybird

11-05-20, 05:13 AM

President Biden.
Sooner or later president Harris. ;)

Skybird, while we may have gotten rid of Trump, we got rid of the country as well.I think that mishap hit your people already some longer time ago. Assuming in your favour you do nto want to imply that Trump is your country or represents the best of spirits of your country. ;)

Skybird

11-05-20, 05:18 AM

It's like this has been scripted out months in advance... :hmmm:
In fact, in a way it has. Trump has prepared his moves and increased his options to play foul since months in advance indeed. It has alwaysy been part of his screenplay. If you end the match with some goals down, beat up the referees, chase the other coach away, open the flood gates to let the audience storm the infield, and bully the players of the other team. And very important: have your own people installed in the sports court in advance. Sports à la Trump.

Skybird

11-05-20, 05:31 AM

This railing against mail voting is both hypocritical, and inconsistent. If you declare you ahve free open election , than everyone has tio have the right to vote, and his vote counted. If you do not like every social group of your nations community being able to vote (and mind you, I have often said I am against general right to vote for various reasons, including that I would exclude everybody who is a net receiver, not a net giver: I know that in some US states prison inmates and previous offenders are banned form voting as well), well if you declare general right to vote, than you have to accept that peopole do it in any way that is legal, and the ornciple must be that if it is within the time frame (set by the rules reuglating mail voting), then it is poerfectly okay to do so. Beside gerrymandering toi rig eleciton results, there is the problem that polling stations get limited in avisalabiuliuty and scatteredf across such huge ranges, that many people cannot reach them, cnanot invest the time to get there, or the money to get there, and this is being abused indeed to exlöcsude unwanted voter groups from voting. Where this betrayel is done and planned, mail voting of course ruins the criminal intention, and so gets complained about.

Either you have free general elections with voting rights for everbody, or you have not. If you do nto want it that way, then say so, loike I do. But do not pretend to have free elections while in fact you try to hinder them from beign that. The US sometimes praises itself to be the cradle of democracy, which historically is wrong, or a beasconm of democracy but does often not live up to that claim. Start being honest about it.

Saying this as somebody who also massively criticses the EU's underhanded ways, and the voting procedures in Germany.

Skybird

11-05-20, 05:40 AM

Armed Trump mobs at counting centres in Arizona? What goes on in brains like these? Fighting off the attacking Martians or what? Defending their beer cups against thirsty Feds? Prothesis for missing brain?

Onkel Neal

11-05-20, 07:24 AM

Ah, I know this guy. Yep, he voted for the first time and he voted for Trump. :hmmm:

Haha, good comeback but we both know better than that.

Jimbuna

11-05-20, 07:41 AM

Jimbuna

11-05-20, 07:49 AM

As we mentioned in an earlier post, the possible threat of violence in the US, in the wake of the undecided election, continues to be a theme of media coverage in several countries.

In some cases this ongoing narrative is aimed at undermining the US.

Iran’s state radio said protesters "are armed to the teeth and are not afraid of police", while TV stations in Russia showed footage of protesters clashing with police.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/election-us-2020-54786937

I can well believe it and heaven only knows what other countries such as China and NK for example are airing.

Skybird

11-05-20, 07:59 AM

I can see it getting a lot worse than that.
A German commentator drew parrallels to Sulla and Marius who served Rome as tribuns and ultimately led it into civil war that saw the Roman republic disappearing and later on under Julius Ceasar the empire emerging.

People so often cannot imagine that the world and situation they live in could ever change. And often much quicker than they ever imagined it maybe could. The American democracy or republic - lets split hairs again about how to call it, yeah! Its so supersupersuper relevant! - was damaged and weakened and eroded already before Trump, due to decades of political corruption and business lobbyism, and then came a caterpillar named Trump pulverising fundaments and pillars. He is the golem created from the dirt.

I cannot see the US ever recovering from what he has dione to the country and the constitutional struitcure and - most important - the trustworthiness believed in by the people. If I would need to bet monbey, I would bet on division and conflict being much more likely from now on than "healing the nation". In this sense i mean it when I say "Forget America".

Its not just the US. The whole West is falling. The occident is a thing of the past. The dying is already significantly advanced. Our efforts are cosmetical only, while in substance we already have surrendered and given up. Only exception maybe are some Eastern European countries, where this resistence however is massively being abused for bipartisan interest as well, but the ordinary people at least still have an intact sense of own cultural identity - something that is missing in the rest of Europe, and gets actively destroyed by the EU. If there will ever be something like an occidental culture-phoenix raising from the ashes in some future time many generations ahead from now, it most likely will come from slavic Eastern Europe. Not from Middle Europe. Not from Northern America.

Onkel Neal

11-05-20, 09:49 AM

u crank

11-05-20, 10:23 AM

Well we don't know the final result yet in some races but some of the non politician losers are being outed. One of them is the Lincoln Project, a group of disgruntled former Republicans. How successful were they and other Never Trump groups in turning the GOP base away from Trump? Not very.

The Lincoln Project raised $67 million. Republican Voters Against Trump raised $10 million.

93% of Republicans voted for Trump in 2020, up from 90% in 2016.

Jimbuna

11-05-20, 11:40 AM

A German commentator drew parrallels to Sulla and Marius who served Rome as tribuns and ultimately led it into civil war that saw the Roman republic disappearing and later on under Julius Ceasar the empire emerging.

People so often cannot imagine that the world and situation they live in could ever change. And often much quicker than they ever imagined it maybe could. The American democracy or republic - lets split hairs again about how to call it, yeah! Its so supersupersuper relevant! - was damaged and weakened and eroded already before Trump, due to decades of political corruption and business lobbyism, and then came a caterpillar named Trump pulverising fundaments and pillars. He is the golem created from the dirt.

I cannot see the US ever recovering from what he has dione to the country and the constitutional struitcure and - most important - the trustworthiness believed in by the people. If I would need to bet monbey, I would bet on division and conflict being much more likely from now on than "healing the nation". In this sense i mean it when I say "Forget America".

Its not just the US. The whole West is falling. The occident is a thing of the past. The dying is already significantly advanced. Our efforts are cosmetical only, while in substance we already have surrendered and given up. Only exception maybe are some Eastern European countries, where this resistence however is massively being abused for bipartisan interest as well, but the ordinary people at least still have an intact sense of own cultural identity - something that is missing in the rest of Europe, and gets actively destroyed by the EU. If there will ever be something like an occidental culture-phoenix raising from the ashes in some future time many generations ahead from now, it most likely will come from slavic Eastern Europe. Not from Middle Europe. Not from Northern America.

I'm certainly not suggesting a civil war but I can imagine there will be quite a bit of civil unrest to the proportion the National Guard may be called out.

Having said all that I sincerely hope I'm wrong.

nikimcbee

11-05-20, 12:06 PM

Trump was a PITA

:06::timeout::hmmm: What if he was a dinner roll? Cornbread? Naan bread? Kaiser roll? Pumpernickle?

https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/delish-190621-homemade-pita-0144-portrait-pf-1567692673.jpg

mapuc

11-05-20, 12:09 PM

It's unfair why shall you, my American friends, have all this fun. Our political crisis is child play in compare.

Markus

AVGWarhawk

11-05-20, 12:41 PM

em2nought

11-05-20, 01:29 PM

93% of Republicans voted for Trump in 2020, up from 90% in 2016.

Hard to compete against the 107% of registered democrats who voted for Biden. :D

Onkel Neal

11-05-20, 02:48 PM

The data shows Trump did make inroads with Black Americans, Latino and and the Jewish community. Even the Amish voted for the guy.

You are dead on concerning the Democrats talk the talk concerning black Americans but when the smoke clears after the election the promises made and changes to come....NEVER HAPPEN. It is a cycle that has gone on for decades and will never change.

Yeah, but nearly enough to help much, eh?

Mr Quatro

11-05-20, 03:55 PM

Hard to compete against the 107% of registered democrats who voted for Biden. :D

That's funny :D

Some of them are even dead :o

I wonder what's taking so long in Nevada a small state with a small population.

I heard that 20,000 absentee ballots are up for sale :hmmm:

Skybird

11-05-20, 04:04 PM

Well, we all have our opinions. I'll stand by mine: Trump was a PITA in a 1000 ways, and I did not like his constant verbal assault on anything that wasn't in love with him. But until the pandemic, his policies were what this country needs. He simply did a terrible job communicating outside his base. I mean, I've read many times that unemployment for black Americans was at a historical low. He did not go around the liberal media effectively and make inroads with working black Americans. He should have gotten 50% more of the black vote simply on that basis alone. The Democrats are no good for working black Americans, they just claim they are. Any economic entity that Democrats manage long term is a failure.

Hmmm.... will be interesting to see how long before Trump concedes.

We agree certainly that Democrats' policies not necessarily are the better ones, I think they too lost the country, as you put it earlier in words. But Trump's way of doing different is not just unconventional and rattles a rotten system, but he destroys the whole organism it is embedded in, culture and society, he is like an cytokine storm , a strong autoimmune reaction to a desease that it bites: not just what is bad, but destroying what is healthy as well, collateral damages that manifest over time. His economical policies much are financed on tick only, and he has raped, abused, tortured the soul of what imo "America" was about as an idealistic construction. The benefits of his deeds imo are overestimated, and are paid for with way too much destruction as if this course can be maintained. The balance sheet to me looks the worse the longer into the future one looks. He looks tempting only in the immediate present.

In an autoimmune reaction, the immune system is set too sharp, turns against the hosting organism and threatens to overwhelm it. The cure becomes the bigger threat than the threat it was called up against. It results in the body destryiong its own organic systems slowly, many chronic deseases are caused and linked to this. I think that is a very very good comparison to describe Trump.

Your country, namely your peoples' national community is more divided than ever, and the rifts and trenches are wider and deeper than ever, and I do not expect to see that reversing for the rest of my lifetime - it will get worse and worse from here on.

The left, the so-called progressives are not innocent in this, they have so aggressively and arrogantly tried to enforce their views and ideology on everybody that many people are pissed. uch of what is their thinkling is a direct assault on clear reasonable thinking, logic, science, rationality, justice, acchieving. Its what i complain so much about over here in germany and in the EU, its the same poisonous pest.

What to do? Not just kicking Trump. But getting rid of the two party system and the existing two partys, BOTH of them. And this idiotic election campaign circus, this ridiculous clownery. It steals much of a term's time, and is as entertaining as the ordinary average sitcom (which i find not funny at all, just has me widening my eyes in disbelief). Oh, and shoot every business and special interest groupo lobbyist you see, get them on mere sight. Lobbyism is the visible purulent furuncle displaying how deeply sick the organsim is.

Here as well as there - its a circus. And not even a good one. And much in Europe turns into Trump's direction as well. The evil ones often project the longest lasting influence, even generations beyond their own deaths.

Skybird

11-05-20, 04:43 PM

"Hi there! Is this the Mexican-American border?"

---------------------------------------------------------"No, its the border between Republicans and Democrats!"

https://www.tagesspiegel.de/images/grenze/26594828/2-format1007.jpgStruttman, Der Tagesspiegel

mapuc

11-05-20, 06:00 PM

^ Your cartoon made me remember what some Danish American expert on American politics and society said yesterday in the Danish news.

I can't remember every word he said only something with

If trump lose....the fragmentation on political scene will be even more worse, because the Rep in the Senate would get even. Biden may not have any success in his 4 years in the White House.
Then something about the society after the election, here he feared what will happen in the street if one of them lose.

What the extreme right, who support Trump may do if Trump lose
What the extreme left who support Biden may do if Biden lose.

Markus

Skybird

11-05-20, 06:31 PM

Indeed republican majoirty leader McConnell has already said that he will run a total unconditonal bliockade under a president Biden. Thats the same McConnell who said before the impeachment that evidence does not matter, he does not care for it, he would under any circumstance bail Trump out, no matter what.

You do not want to have such a blind fanatic whisteling even just a school football match. They would always end two digits to nill for the home team, even if the away team would not even appear on the grass. Most valuable player of the home team would always be the ref, McConnell.

Lovely. If you do not care for evidence, and do not care for communicating and compromise and discussion, only 110% "our way or no way", you are disqualified morally and practically for any political job - and many other tasks as well. Its this kind of extreme polarization that will ruin America in the future more and more.

Americans' only hope is that sooner or later they will be simply sick and tired of total, unconditional blockade ruining the country, and then kick them all out, both parties.

I hold no expectations of a Biden presidency, not for the US, and not for Germany or Europe or the world; he necessarily will be a very weak president with no free space to manouver in. But that is not why I recommended to vote for him anyway. The exclusive and only purpose of this exercise is that it kicks Trump. That was the only mission objective, as far as I am concerned. At best he will not add to the damages done by Trump, and that in itself is already a substantial improvement. The damages will come from the many Republican McConnells in Senate and Congress, and arrogant progressives spilling toxic leftjuice amongst the Democrats. The socalled "squad" has all been reelected into Congress. That makes me sick. Figures like these four women could become a problem in the future like Trump has been one: has been until now or until after the next four years. I think he has lost it.

Onkel Neal

11-05-20, 09:17 PM

https://www.ksn.com/news/your-local-election-hq/watch-soon-nevada-expected-to-release-new-results-in-presidential-race/

I thought Nevada was supposed to be finished by today??? :doh:

While it’s not yet clear when Nevada vote count totals will be high enough to award the state’s six electoral votes to President Donald Trump or challenger Joe Biden, it’s possible that could happen as early as Thursday.

However, the state’s largest county still has some 65,000 votes to count.

Election officials in Clark County, roughly 75% of the state’s population, said they expect to report 50,000 additional votes on Friday morning. After that, Clark County election officials say they will have roughly 13,000 ballots left to count.

It’s possible more votes could be received in the days to follow. The last day votes can be reported to the state is Nov. 12.

Wouldn't it be hilarious if somehow the votes went Trump's way in Nevada and he won the election?

Nevada Republicans announced Thursday morning that they are suing Clark County, claiming voter fraud. They allege roughly 10,000 people who cast ballots no longer live in Nevada.

Will be very interesting to see the results.

Gerald

11-05-20, 10:03 PM

How is it that there is such a delay? Based on other states counting end.

Catfish

11-06-20, 02:45 AM

In Russia you have the results before the polls even open :D
Here this is normal, it takes time. There have been times the US only new in early december who had won.
B.t.w. military votes can be counted up two two weeks after the election for obvious reasons. And so on.

Regarding the Nevada count:
Trump is currently sueing Clark county, the most populous county in Nevada, for voter fraud.
"Every single disputed ballot is being reviewed by a judge, and a lot of the actual counting has slowed down for diligence sake, so his suit has very little to go off of. That is why it is taking so long."

Mr Quatro

11-06-20, 03:09 AM

Seed thought:

What if the electoral college men & women vote on their own instead of the state mandate? :hmmm:

Then the riots begin 12-14-20

That's the day the electoral college meets and officially cast it's votes. Some states have already passed laws that these men and women
have to stick to the general populations votes of the state they reside in, but not all states have the same law.

Sure they would need protection, but I know a certain party that would pay for this challenge to the electoral college rules and
change the outcome of the election for sure.

Supreme Court here we come right back where we started from :yep:

Catfish

11-06-20, 03:19 AM

Mr. Quatro, if the democrats rigged the election, i have to say they really suck at it :03:

Mr Quatro

11-06-20, 03:49 AM

Mr. Quatro, if the democrats rigged the election, i have to say they really suck at it :03:

What if it was God? :o

Do you know how many people of faith are praying right now?

Millions :yep:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/03/electoral-college-when-do-votes-need-in/6147901002/

Election Day is only one point in the process of the Electoral College, which decides who wins a U.S. presidential race.

Electoral College electors in each state don't vote until Dec. 14. The electors' votes typically align with the popular vote in each state. But not all states require the votes cast by electors to mirror the popular vote. Certificates recording the electoral vote results in each state must be received by the president of the Senate and the archivist no later than Dec. 23.

The official results of the electoral votes are sent to the new elected Congress, which is set to meet in a joint session on Jan. 6, 2021, and announce the results.

Skybird

11-06-20, 06:01 AM

Jimbuna

11-06-20, 06:13 AM

^ It was certainly 'enlightening' :o

Onkel Neal

11-06-20, 08:22 AM

Everybody voting for such scum, should feel deeply ashamed. Shame.

I think "desperation" is the word you're looking for here ;)

Dowly

11-06-20, 08:37 AM

Do you know how many people of faith are praying right now?

I know of at least one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUmMUmLYT1Y

Found a few more:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZGd8KsC6Q0

AVGWarhawk

11-06-20, 08:54 AM

CBS, ABC abnd Msnbc have switched off Trumps speech last night after the first (unbelievable) minute, and rightly so. Even me was suprised by the concentration of filth and lie in his venting.

Everybody voting for such scum, should feel deeply ashamed. Shame. There is no excuse and no circumstance under which such accumulation of dirt Fraud and lie is acceptable. Trump has topped himself yesterday, in a negative meaning of course.

The diatribe held one day before already was unbelievable.

A mobster and tyrant in the WH. Unimaginable and unforgivable to have this scum another four years in office. A growing number of Republicans condemn him as well.

CBS, ABC and MSNBC shut off Trump? :o Sorry to say, there are some issues at some polls. Are these detrimental? Not really but need to be addressed for future elections.
1. How are House and Senate seats confirmed yet the President is not? After all, there is ONE ballot for all.
2. Some polling places are using felt tip pen. Now, a felt tip pen does not know who is voting for what individual. The issue is, the vote does not get registered at all.
3. Everyone acts like this is the first time a challenge has been issued for a process that looks on the surface fraudulent. It is not. Hillary's camp challenged. Al Gore's camp challenged the dangling chad.

Let the process work. Let the votes get counted correctly so Biden is without a doubt the winner. If not, he will be seen as illegitimate.

Further, lets not forget the Democrate/Liberal were nothing short of going out of there ever living minds when Trump was elected. Perhaps it may be ok for a few Trump supporters to be upset. Just a thought.

AVGWarhawk

11-06-20, 09:03 AM

If there is ONE thing that we can say about this election....the BLUE WAVE never materialized. The House lost seats. The Senate is held by the Republicans. The Trumpism is still very strong in this country. Very tight race. The Democrats have zero agenda with exception of the catch words. Get your guns, free healthcare, environment. The usual talking points that will never materialize as seen for decades. The country is looking at deadlock for another 4 years. So it goes in the USA.

Jimbuna

11-06-20, 09:05 AM

Biden has taken the lead in Pennsylvania with 95% of votes counted, the BBC's results system shows.

If he wins Pennsylvania, he wins the presidency.

Biden has also taken the lead in Georgia with 99% of votes counted.

Biden has a slender lead in Nevada and Arizona.

President Donald Trump has again asserted he has won the election, though votes are still being counted.

Trump complains of “tremendous corruption and fraud in the mail-in ballots", without giving evidence.

Joe Biden says people should remain calm as votes are counted, adding he has "no doubt" he will emerge the winner.

Overall turnout is projected to be the highest in 120 years at 66.9%
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/election-us-2020-54786937

The fat lady could soon be singing.

AVGWarhawk

11-06-20, 09:55 AM

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/123915220_5335383999820376_3246710256591539053_n.j pg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=LKEAi3EjiOgAX_14Hho&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=d93975075ea2261bc3a71803d8b263d2&oe=5FCC48C6

u crank

11-06-20, 10:04 AM

If there is ONE thing that we can say about this election....the BLUE WAVE never materialized.

Not only did it not happen but one has to be amazed at the delusional approach that Dems had in this election cycle. Case in point is the unbelievable amount of money spent to unseat the Dems most hated Senators, Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky.

More than $130 million was spent to defeat Graham in one of the most Republican states in the country. Graham won by ten points.

$90 million was spent in Kentucky to defeat McConnell. His opponent, Amy McGrath lost by twenty points.

This shows a total lack of awareness by people who should know better. I understand why Dems hate these two guys but twenty points? $90 million? I'm not sure if delusional is the right word.

AVGWarhawk

11-06-20, 10:10 AM

Not only did it not happen but one has to be amazed at the delusional approach that Dems had in this election cycle. Case in point is the unbelievable amount of money spent to unseat the Dems most hated Senators, Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky.

More than $130 million was spent to defeat Graham in one of the most Republican states in the country. Graham won by ten points.

$90 million was spent in Kentucky to defeat McConnell. His opponent, Amy McGrath lost by twenty points.

This shows a total lack of awareness by people who should know better. I understand why Dems hate these two guys but twenty points? $90 million? I'm not sure if delusional is the right word.

These two a dug in deeper than a Alabama tick. Both very hard to beat. Truth be told, the Democratic party is a mess. The extreme left wing Socialists(AOC, Omar) will be nothing but disruptive. There is no agenda other than fixing what they think Trump screwed up. Pelosi will have more of a mess on her hands.

Onkel Neal

11-06-20, 10:48 AM

I know of at least one.
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Make that TWO :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymMeXbPw0yU

Jimbuna

11-06-20, 10:49 AM

Georgia have just announced a recount.

Mr Quatro

11-06-20, 11:13 AM

The fat lady could soon be singing.

Our country is on the verge of a civil war ... :o

An old Irish lady was selling four leaf clovers at a St Patrick's Day parade when a by stander asked her if it was going to rain on the parade.

She looked up at the sky and said, "God only has himself to blame if it does for we have certainly prayed for it not to" :o

mapuc

11-06-20, 11:30 AM

Making people suspicious.

Yesterday a good friend, who's a dedicated Trump supporter, posted a picture of two vote counter with a text.

No wonder Trump is going to lose.

The picture showed to Afro American sitting in front of a bunch of ballot papers.

I don't know how the rules is in USA, but here in Denmark and Sweden it's consider a severe crime trying to cheat while counting ballot.

Yes it happens that a vote or two is counted wrong, that's why they have back-up counting.

Markus

AVGWarhawk

11-06-20, 11:53 AM

Our country is on the verge of a civil war ... :o

I still don't sense a civil war. This will blow over like a fart in the wind before long.

Skybird

11-06-20, 12:07 PM

Trump'S campaign managers are split on the result, some recommend to confess defeat, the scraps shoud have flown between them and the those who stick to the idea of total war and ultimate win . One of Trump's as terrible sons completely missed the tone and made a terribly hilarious appearance and war-time adress (just that the war is ust in the Trump clan's sick heads). More and more Republicans turn their backs on Trump and more and more Republicans openly attack Trump, especially for his hilarious stunt last night. Several courts have shot down Trump team's attempts of trying this and that and whateveritwas.

Fox speculates that Trump could give up already this night. Not CNN or MSNBC - Fox. Sounds like good though late advice.

He is done. Get your things packed and get lost, little boy. The record for being the worst political desaster in the history of America is safely yours, forever.

Oh, and your immunity from law enforcement unfortunately ends now. Lets see: rape, tax fraud, business fraud in hundreds of cases, insurrance fraud, falsification of contractual documents, embezzlement...

Jimbuna

11-06-20, 12:21 PM

As Pennsylvania turned blue there were reports of Trump screaming at his staff and advisers, "Where is Wenck? Has Steiner attacked yet?"

Mr Quatro

11-06-20, 12:48 PM

He is done. Get your things packed and get lost, little boy. The record for being the worst political desaster in the history of America is safely yours, forever.

Oh, and your immunity from law enforcement unfortunately ends now. Lets see: rape, tax fraud, business fraud in hundreds of cases, insurrance fraud, falsification of contractual documents, embezzlement...

Like everything else you have thought of (except for vitamin D3 deficiency)

You have not completely thought it all out correctly :hmmm:

Biden has skeletons in his closet that have not been yet explained which could lead to an early impeachment due to his crimes were committed while still in the WH as the VP.

Sure I know the house is on his side in 2021 to 2022, but it could switch sides in just two (2) years when the entire House is up for reelection again.

If he wins this 2020 National Election that is and that won't be a fact till the new Congress meets January 6th 2021.

A lot could happen Covid-19, heart attack, law suits, electoral college rebellion, another little girl complains about his hands in the wrong place. :haha:

Which would bring up his statement that he just wants to serve one term anyway leaving us with VP Harris as his replacement.

See Mr smarty pants you have not completely thought this thing out now go back into your safe room and have a cookie :D

AVGWarhawk

11-06-20, 01:14 PM

He is done. Get your things packed and get lost, little boy. The record for being the worst political desaster in the history of America is safely yours, forever.

.

Sorry, that would be Jimmy Carter followed closely by Barack Obama.

AVGWarhawk

11-06-20, 01:15 PM

You have not completely thought it all out correctly :hmmm:

Biden has skeletons in his closet that have not been yet explained which could lead to an early impeachment due to his crimes were committed while still in the WH as the VP.

Welcome to tit for tat. Perhaps just 25 minutes after Biden is sworn in the Republicans can scream let the impeachment begin.

Mr Quatro

11-06-20, 01:17 PM

Sorry, that would be Jimmy Carter followed closely by Barack Obama.

You were too young for Nixon, uh? :o

Catfish

11-06-20, 01:30 PM

Georgia have just announced a recount.
Count until Trump wins :yeah:
Unbelievable :doh:

Catfish

11-06-20, 01:31 PM

As Pennsylvania turned blue there were reports of Trump screaming at his staff and advisers, "Where is Wenck? Has Steiner attacked yet?"
:haha: i admit this already crossed my mind

AVGWarhawk

11-06-20, 01:31 PM

You were too young for Nixon, uh? :o

I wore a Nixon Now button at my 1st grade school picture. :D My oldest brother pinned it on me before I left for school.

Catfish

11-06-20, 01:39 PM

Canada probably feels like they live in the apartment above a meth lab right about now.

AVGWarhawk

11-06-20, 01:57 PM

Canada probably feels like they live in the apartment above a meth lab right about now.

POST OF THE YEAR!!!!!! :har::har::har::har::har::har:

Onkel Neal

11-06-20, 02:06 PM

Canada probably feels like they live in the apartment above a meth lab right about now.

Hahahahaaaa!! :Kaleun_Thumbs_Up:

Skybird

11-06-20, 02:20 PM

Like everything else you have thought of (except for vitamin D3 deficiency)

You have not completely thought it all out correctly :hmmm:

Biden has skeletons in his closet that have not been yet explained which could lead to an early impeachment due to his crimes were committed while still in the WH as the VP.

Sure I know the house is on his side in 2021 to 2022, but it could switch sides in just two (2) years when the entire House is up for reelection again.

If he wins this 2020 National Election that is and that won't be a fact till the new Congress meets January 6th 2021.

A lot could happen Covid-19, heart attack, law suits, electoral college rebellion, another little girl complains about his hands in the wrong place. :haha:

Which would bring up his statement that he just wants to serve one term anyway leaving us with VP Harris as his replacement.

I do not care. That is the Americans internal business. As I said yesterday: the only objective Biden had to achieve was to kick Trump out. More I did never expect of him. Yesterday I just said, in reply to Neal i think, that I do not think about Biden as president, but that I concentrate on Harris, because she sooner or later will replace him. He is old, his stamina must be limited, and he shows clear signs of senility, I say that without any offending intention, just being frank. His concentration span seems to be limited already. He will mostly be led by staff and party, I think. A figure head, not so much a captain.

By counts he most, most likely has taken Trump out. The Biden plan worked. The warhead went up right in that one special bunker where it should go booom. The weapon served its purpose, now its fuel is emptied, the warhead has been spent. The rest of the coming four years is the Americans' own thing - my interest fades. As wise men say: we ourselves create our own heavens and hells, all the time. Choose your wishes wisely, Americans. Stop following the path you are on since the past years. It leads to hell, not heaven. Conflict, hate and bitterness are the fruits that Trump has sown. I would better not harvest them. Plow them under. Sow new. Have kinder fruits next season.

And btw, to me it seems I was all the time two steps ahead of your thinking. ;)

Skybird

11-06-20, 02:30 PM

Canada probably feels like they live in the apartment above a meth lab right about now.

:D A butter cookie as reward for that!

Skybird

11-06-20, 02:36 PM

92% of ballots nationwide counted, Biden's current lead is over 4 million: 73.93 million for Biden to 69.81 million for Trump.

But I wonder how big the risk is that the electoiate college will try to steal the election, and whether there will come violent riots or fighting in the streets, or not. A country that lets citizens arm themselves to the teeth but manages not peaceful transition from one legitimised president to the next, has a big potential problem. Trump's mini-me already talks of total war. And the EC is meant to unisono vote accotrding to the outcome in its state. Trump currently tries to break that rule, whcih is an assault on the basic institutional structure of the nation.

If the military would agree to play ball, he would run a military coup, that is for sure. Thank God the military leaders seem to have more reason and mind and brain than the nutman in the WH.

Skybird

11-06-20, 02:53 PM

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.focus.de/wissen/mensch/psychologen-im-gespraech-noch-us-praesident-trump-kann-nicht-verlieren-jetzt-folgt-akt-der-verzweiflung_id_12631751.html

In general, the psychiatrist explains that the destruction of one's own self-image is the greatest fear that narcissists have. If that could happen, narcissists would come under so much pressure that they would fight reality - and consistently.

Mr Quatro

11-06-20, 02:54 PM

Canada probably feels like they live in the apartment above a meth lab right about now.

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/123718134_3626075957454963_7191129675728807841_o.j pg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=2&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=VdXR_z9aNp4AX_vTjnH&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&tp=7&oh=40544bb7a0288bb08ecb1573d85f3626&oe=5FC95DA1

mapuc

11-06-20, 02:54 PM

Never have a candidate got so many votes like Biden, 73.9 millions in an American election.
I don't know the history of Presidential election, so it may be true.

This journalist seem to forget that Trump got so far 69.8 millions vote

So it's not like every American except a few dislike Trump.

So all these polls before the election was once more wrong.
When it comes to how big a margin Biden would win with.

I have heard rumour in which CNN will continue their 24 hours daily coverage.
1 hour is dedicated to ordinary news
and
23 hours is dedicated to how perfect their President Biden is.

Markus

mapuc

11-06-20, 03:01 PM

If the military would agree to play ball, he would run a military coup, that is for sure. Thank God the military leaders seem to have more reason and mind and brain than the nutman in the WH.

This was what I was thinking last night.

Trump lose the election

Some general who is dedicated Trump supporter will not accept the result and.....
Then I said to myself..this will never happen..they are dedicated to the country and not a person.

Markus

Onkel Neal

11-06-20, 03:17 PM

Although.....

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/attachment.php?attachmentid=3681&d=1604693851

Fair point.

AVGWarhawk

11-06-20, 03:23 PM

1 hour is dedicated to ordinary news
and
23 hours is dedicated to how perfect their President Biden is.

Markus

That coverage already has begun a few months ago when Biden was nominated.

Skybird

11-06-20, 03:31 PM

https://news.sky.com/story/us-election-2020-live-news-who-will-be-winner-as-donald-trump-and-joe-biden-race-to-be-president-12121686

19:58
Two people with guns arrested over alleged plot to attack vote counting centre
Police in Philadelphia have confirmed two people have been arrested.
An earlier statement from police said neither of the suspects had a valid permit to carry firearms. The pair had allegedly been carrying handguns and an AR-type rifle was found in their car, along with 160 rounds of ammunition.
Philadelphia district attorney Lawrence Krasner said "most elections don’t get this heated", adding that authorities were looking at "several felonies and misdemeanours" related to the election.

19:25
What is Donald Trump's mood like?
Mr Trump's former adviser Omarosa Manigault Newman tells Sky News: "My sources in the West Wing tell me Donald Trump is in an awful mood. He has a short fuse today, he's snipping at everyone and he wants his attorneys to make this right.

"He wants them to stop the count, he is yelling at everyone to use their resources, their power, their money, whatever access they have to make it stop."

---------

I think the Secret Service will soon start with staff executions in the Rose Garden! :D

P.S. Staff is also reported to have started looking for new jobs.

AVGWarhawk

11-06-20, 03:41 PM

https://news.sky.com/story/us-election-2020-live-news-who-will-be-winner-as-donald-trump-and-joe-biden-race-to-be-president-12121686

19:58
Two people with guns arrested over alleged plot to attack vote counting centre
Police in Philadelphia have confirmed two people have been arrested.
An earlier statement from police said neither of the suspects had a valid permit to carry firearms. The pair had allegedly been carrying handguns and an AR-type rifle was found in their car, along with 160 rounds of ammunition.
Philadelphia district attorney Lawrence Krasner said "most elections don’t get this heated", adding that authorities were looking at "several felonies and misdemeanours" related to the election.

19:25
What is Donald Trump's mood like?
Mr Trump's former adviser Omarosa Manigault Newman tells Sky News: "My sources in the West Wing tell me Donald Trump is in an awful mood. He has a short fuse today, he's snipping at everyone and he wants his attorneys to make this right.

"He wants them to stop the count, he is yelling at everyone to use their resources, their power, their money, whatever access they have to make it stop."

---------

I think the Secret Service will soon start with staff executions in the Rose Garden! :D

Never seen it this heated???? Never seen the Black Panther Party members outside the polling stations in Philadelphia either. :doh:

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/161105110300-was-2008-black-panther-incident-voter-intimidation-00004116-full-169.jpg

It is like this is all new or something...

https://tennesseestar.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Black-Panthers-at-Ga-polling-places_840x480.jpg

mapuc

11-06-20, 03:44 PM

If I remember correctly from an answer given to me around 4 years ago, it has happened a electoral has given their vote to the opponent and not the winner.

Markus

Skybird

11-06-20, 04:38 PM

From riches to rags to prison?

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/finanzielle-situation-trumps-talfahrt-17040285.html?printPagedArticle%3Dtrue%23pageIndex _3

Catfish

11-06-20, 04:45 PM

Looks like he is playing for time, to arrange some things before he's out.

mapuc

11-06-20, 05:01 PM

Trump will accept the result of the election. He will however leave the White House screaming and kicking. Not in a good manner, as former President have done.(hope I'm wrong)

Markus

August

11-06-20, 05:44 PM

This was what I was thinking last night.

Trump lose the election

Some general who is dedicated Trump supporter will not accept the result and.....
Then I said to myself..this will never happen..they are dedicated to the country and not a person.

Markus

I can't believe you people are still thinking this is a real possibility. Say that you are right and a general decides not to accept the result. What do you think he could do exactly?

mapuc

11-06-20, 05:53 PM

I can't believe you people are still thinking this is a real possibility. Say that you are right and a general decides not to accept the result. What do you think he could do exactly?

You're right I should stop seeing all these action movies and smell the reality.

As mentioned it's not going to happen.

Markus

Armistead

11-06-20, 05:58 PM

Even if there's something there the "statute of limitations for criminal tax fraud and evasion tends to depend on the specific charge, but in New York state, the statute of limitations only goes up to five years." add to that a GOP support base of 93%, ain't nothing gonna happen. There could be civil action tho
https://www.cityandstateny.com/articles/policy/criminal-justice/why-hasnt-new-york-charged-donald-trump-with-tax-fraud.html?fbclid=IwAR1N7Tom6ajskGjh_YZC67VdU-9CM5YJ0uQL8IxweokZZtmIu3Rfc2XWchM

From riches to rags to prison?

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/finanzielle-situation-trumps-talfahrt-17040285.html?printPagedArticle%3Dtrue%23pageIndex _3

Skybird

11-06-20, 06:15 PM

Trump will accept the result of the election. He will however leave the White House screaming and kicking. Not in a good manner, as former President have done.(hope I'm wrong)

Markus
He is psychiatrically ill, he is a psychopathic personality, and a strongest narccissis I have ever seen one. You cannot judge him by standard of normal sanity, he follows the rules of his mental deformation. He does not accept the outcome, since it is the collapse of his mental universe and chosen self-perception.

Thus he will be forced to leave. And he will then. But not with a raised head and clear eyes and some respect from those who defeated him, but he will leave the WH like a fart in the wind.

And if he survives the business troubles and juristical troubles waiting for him, he will continue to dominate and destroy the Republican party form weithin, turning it ever more into a viper's nest. And then there are his sons, who are the same brand like himself.

If he would be wise, he would simply lie down and die now. 74, what else does he want? He had it all, and did maximise all possible damages, getting always away with it, never being held accountable, but sacrificing always others. As a German proverb goes: you should leave the party when it runs best. Better it does not get, from there on things can only detoriate.

He will not, of course. Narcissists like this hate to leave a stage behind.

Aktungbby

11-06-20, 06:51 PM

https://teeshirtpalace-node-dev.s3.amazonaws.com/images/productImages/tk/BabyTrumpCryingTweet/productImage/BabyTrumpCryingTweet-navy-tk-swatch.jpgHe will not, of course. Narcissists like this hate to leave a stage behind.

In the weeks leading up to Election Day on Nov. 3, President Donald Trump was repeatedly given the opportunity to commit on the record to accepting the results of the election and upholding the core democratic practice of a peaceful transfer of power. He refused every time.

a man wearing a suit and tie: President Trump has refused to commit to a peaceful transfer of power. If he loses the election to Joe Biden but doesn't concede, several things could happen.© Joe Raedle - Getty Images President Trump has refused to commit to a peaceful transfer of power. If he loses the election to Joe Biden but doesn't concede, several things could happen.
Instead, Trump used the final weeks and months of his re-election campaign to sow doubt and mistrust in the accuracy of an election with record-breaking numbers of mail-in and absentee ballots. He egged on his supporters and Republican lawmakers as they do everything in their power to limit Americans' constitutional right to vote, whether through legislation or brute force. And, just before Election Day, he threatened to "[go] in with our lawyers" as soon as the polls closed to contest ballot-counting practices in major battleground states. (Remember: It was always highly, highly unlikely that we would know for sure the winner of the election by the end of Election Day. Reset your expectations, and spread the word!)

As a result, political scientists, election experts, and all Americans concerned about the longevity of our democracy are now forced to examine the very real possibility that Trump could refuse to concede the election even if Joe Biden is the winner in both popular and electoral votes.

Before we get into what, exactly, that would look like, a few key facts to set the record straight: There is zero evidence that more voting by mail means more voter fraud. Absentee and mail-in ballots postmarked on or before Election Day are regularly received and counted for several days afterwards; extensions instated this year to accommodate USPS slowdowns are neither unusual nor illegal. And, of course, far more troubling than the estimated 0.0003 to 0.0025 percent incident rate of voter fraud that occurs in each U.S. election is the president's repeated attempts to curtail millions of Americans' perfectly legal right to vote.

Now that that's cleared up, let's dive into what would happen if Trump decides to take his rhetoric even further and refuses to accept the results of the election. You might want to buckle up for this one.

What has Trump said about accepting election results?
Basically, that he won't do so if they don't show an outright win for him. During a September press briefing, when asked whether he would accept the results of the election, per Axios, Trump replied, "We're going to have to see what happens, you know that. I've been complaining very strongly about the ballots, and the ballots are a disaster."

When pushed to, at the very least, commit to a peaceful transfer of power, he replied with more deflection: "Get rid of the ballots and you'll have a very peaceful—there won't be a transfer, frankly. There will be a continuation. The ballots are out of control. You know it. And you know who knows it better than anybody else? The Democrats know it better than anybody else."

More recently, as several states extended the deadlines by which mail-in ballots could still be received, citing overwhelming numbers of mailed ballots and USPS slowdowns (though all ballots still had to be postmarked on or before Election Day), Trump continuously reiterated his belief that "the election should end on November 3rd," as he did in an Oct. 30 tweet, even if that means letting tens of thousands of legitimately cast ballots go uncounted.

And even as Biden pulled ahead in major swing states like Pennsylvania and Georgia in the days after Election Day, all but erasing Trump's possible pathways to victory, CNN reported on Nov. 6 that the president has neither prepared a concession speech nor indicated to his supporters and inner circle that he intends to concede the election should it be called in Biden's favor.

"This is no longer about any single election. This is about the integrity of our entire election process," Trump said in a written statement on Nov. 6, per CNN. "We will pursue this process through every aspect of the law to guarantee the American people have confidence in our government. I will never give up fighting for you and our nation."

Trump has also repeatedly implied that the only way he would accept a Biden win is through a Supreme Court battle, which is why he moved so quickly in filling Ruth Bader Ginsburg's seat with an ultra-conservative judge. "I think this will end up in the Supreme Court. And I think it's very important that we have nine justices," he told reporters ahead of Amy Coney Barrett's appointment to the court, The New York Times reported in September.

How is Trump challenging the results of the election?
A refusal to accept a Biden victory could go several different ways (four of which are played out by the Transition Integrity project here). For one, if Election Day returns were to show Trump with even the slightest of leads, there was always the possibility that he might try to declare a premature victory well before all of the estimated 90 million mailed ballots have been counted. Sources told Axios that Trump has been plotting to do so, but the president denied these reports on Nov. 1.

Of course, despite these denials,"Denial ain't just a river in Egypt..” - Mark Twain he did just that in the wee hours of Nov. 4, just as mail-in ballot numbers were starting to shift what appeared to be his pathway to victory in the Electoral College over to Biden. In a speech late after polls had closed nationwide, Trump labeled the legitimate and very legal vote-counting process as "fraud" and claimed he "did win" the election, per CNN, despite the fact that millions of votes were still uncounted at that time. The backlash was swift, with several broadcasters cutting away from the president to fact-check his wildly inaccurate claims, and with politicians from both sides of the aisle criticizing the remarks.

Another scenario saw Biden narrowly edging out Trump in both the popular and electoral votes after all ballots have been tabulated, but Trump refusing to accept these results, citing (false) claims of voter fraud and illegally counted votes.

In a move that will surprise absolutely no one, this, too, has already happened. Along with prematurely declaring victory, Trump has also spent days furiously tweeting, sending out statements, and making public addresses to attack—say it with me—the perfectly legal and legitimate process of counting mail ballots postmarked on or before Election Day, as those ballots have in many cases shifted a greater share of votes to Biden, as predicted. Twitter has flagged and hidden several of the misleading tweets, and some news networks have fully cut away from Trump's addresses to immediately fact-check his baseless claims of fraud.

And, of course, Trump and his legal team are also already pursuing multiple lawsuits in several states in an attempt to stop the perfectly legal vote-counting processes, claim fraud, and challenge already-enacted laws that allow for valid votes to continue being counted after Election Day. So far, several of the suits have already been dismissed, and most, if not all, of the remaining cases contain no substantial evidence of fraud, according to ABC News. Should any of these cases end up reaching the Supreme Court, it's unclear whether the conservative-leaning justices would rule in favor of Republicans or in favor of the legal democratic process of vote-counting, but as it stands, without evidence to back up Trump's claims, it's unlikely any of the current cases could make it that far.

However it looks, a sitting president's refusal to accept the legitimate results of the election would pose a massive challenge to the foundation of our democracy, and to anyone attempting to uphold that foundation—precisely because the challenger is, indeed, the sitting president. "You have just a tremendous differential between the president of the United States of America, who has just awesome coercive powers at his disposal, and a challenger who really has no power whatsoever in our system...Joe Biden can call a press conference; Donald Trump could call on the 82nd Airborne," Rosa Brooks, co-founder of the Transition Integrity Project, explained to FiveThirtyEight.

Experts have predicted that, in a worst-case scenario, Trump's refusal to accept the results would kickstart a Constitutional crisis, as well as widespread unrest and potentially violent partisan clashes. According to the Transition Integrity Project's report, "The potential for violent conflict is high, particularly since Trump encourages his supporters to take up arms."

So, how would a refusal to concede play out?
Fortunately, merely tweeting about the election being "rigged" isn't enough to overturn the results. "Just charging that an election is fraudulent is not the way elections get overturned," Benjamin Ginsberg, who served as national counsel for the 2000 Bush campaign during the Bush v. Gore recount fight, told the Boston Globe. "To successfully do that, a candidate would actually have to prove on a precinct-by-precinct, ballot-by-ballot basis that there are enough fraudulent ballots to change the results of the election. Bombastic rhetoric will have no force in the election contest litigation that would have to be filed to throw out the results."

Beyond simply taking vote counts to the courts, another way that Trump and his allies might try to steamroll over a Biden victory would be for Republican legislatures to appoint Trump-supporting electors to the Electoral College, even if their states went blue in the popular vote. While states have allowed the popular vote to decide the appointment of electors for most of the nation's history, The Atlantic reports that state legislatures could potentially choose to take that power back for themselves, since the Constitution leaves the appointment of electors totally in the hands of each state.

In such a case, states with Republican legislatures but Democratic governors—including crucial swing states Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, and North Carolina—might end up appointing two separate slates of electors, according to a study by election scholar Edward B. Foley. These states would then cast double their allotted votes when the Electoral College convenes on Dec. 14, and when the president of the Senate, Vice President Mike Pence, goes to count the votes, he would be tasked with unraveling what his Constitutional duty to tally the Electoral College's votes means in this situation. If Pence chooses to throw out the doubled-up votes, it's possible that neither candidate would then be able to reach the necessary 270 electoral votes to win the presidency. In that case, the decision would go to the House of Representatives, with one vote per state, resulting in a slight majority for Trump according to currently drawn partisan lines.

Alternatively, according to The Atlantic, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi could hypothetically keep members of the House from entering the chamber to witness Pence's vote count as required by law; if she then stalled long enough, she could potentially assert her right to assume the presidency according to the line of succession.

Furthermore, these aren't necessarily standalone possibilities. Per Foley and The Atlantic, Biden could win the election, Pence could push through the extra Electoral College votes for Trump, and Pelosi could assert her own claim to the office to block Pence's order all at once, resulting in three seemingly legitimate (at least in the eyes of the Constitution) POTUS claims. Hence, a Constitutional crisis.

What's the precedent for this?
States have actually sent dueling slates of electors to the Electoral College before. After the election of 1876, Congress was unable to decide which votes were valid. The partisan battle was only resolved when a deal was struck that put Rutherford B. Hayes in power in return for an end to Reconstruction, per Vice News.

As for a court battle, look no further than the 2000 election, when the winner of the election wasn't confirmed until mid-December, after the Supreme Court handed down a win for George W. Bush, after which Al Gore promptly conceded "for the sake of our unity as a people and the strength of our democracy."

At the time, Florida was actually planning on kickstarting the above scenario by appointing a competing set of electors to vote for Bush, per FiveThirtyEight. They didn't have to, however, since the SCOTUS decision stopped the state's manual recount, claiming that the Florida Supreme Court had overstepped in ordering the recount, and deciding that there wasn't time to manually recount every vote in time for the national deadline of Dec. 8, at which time all states must be done counting their popular votes.

"The biggest lesson of 2000 is that our election systems are not sufficiently robust and reliable to handle results that are within the margin of error, and if anything, that's only become more true since then. Any election that's within the margin of error is going to be a nightmare in terms of the health of the nation," Jonathan Adler, a professor at Case Western Reserve University, told Vice News. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/10/trump-shakespeare/616612/

Skybird

11-06-20, 07:43 PM

Aktungbby, good find! :Kaleun_Applaud: Both texts.

Skybird

11-07-20, 01:51 AM

Oh dear, I fear Trump has founded a new trend: In the English soccer league, after day 8 the coach of Southhampton sees his club on first rank of the league able, which is quite surprising. He now has demanded that the counting should stop and no more league games shall be held.

:D

And the man is not even a British.

Skybird

11-07-20, 04:32 AM

Poor little boy needs to go around with a hat.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-goes-on-frantic-fundraising-binge-alleging-stolen-election?source=articles&via=rss

Ten billions, eh? He once claimed that. Trump, btw, never has given up his businesses and properties when he became El Presidente, he only handed over management of operations to his sons. The owner - is still himself, and he used those four years for trying to profit in his private businesses from his positions. Usually new presiden ts are expected to give up prvate business property, so to not getting into personal conflicts of interest.

Which is not meant to mean that Trump could see it as a conflict of interest if abusing his position for privately enriching himself, i am confident he had no sleepless nights over this.

Dowly

11-07-20, 05:00 AM

Although.....
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/attachment.php?attachmentid=3681&d=1604693851
Fair point.
Russian interference vs. fake ballots is not exactly the same thing though.

Catfish

11-07-20, 05:58 AM

The glorious western leader effectively harming public trust in democratic institutions and democracy, Putin, Xi Ping and Erdoghan sure have one champagne party after the other :nope:

Skybird

11-07-20, 06:07 AM

^ Its a CIA operation to turn them into addicted alcoholics. :03:

From some German website, this random anecdote.

Martin Richenhagen, a German-American agricultural machinery entrepreneur living in the USA, found hard words and told an anecdote that amused everyone. He said he had the same tailor as the US President: and he told him that the US President had put on weight. But when the tailor took the new measurements, the president corrected the values downwards. Richenhagen's conclusion: "Trump has one on the waffle." ( = German for: he is gaga).

Mr Quatro

11-07-20, 06:33 AM

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/2020/november/the-prophets-did-not-get-it-wrong-its-not-over?fbclid=IwAR30I_d2h5GOSgKwMpUBeQMIHxM5_4mmoYXW EjWtf_Srdv-NQj9U8tOQ2fk

Prophets Say They Did Not Get It Wrong: 'It's Not Over

"Either a lying spirit has filled the mouths of numerous trusted prophetic voices in America or Donald Trump really has won
the presidency and we are witnessing a diabolical and evil plan unfold to steal the election."

I don't think this is an evil plan to steal the election ... :o

My God does not lose elections. Sounds more like God planned this all along to me to wrestle the White House away from Donald Trump and let the bad guys (the left wing radicals) take over.

God is still God no matter who is in the WH. Why did so many prophets get it wrong that Trump would win? Perhaps Donald Trump did win ... he still has money right?

Lots of it too, plus property, plus a nice wife and family ... :yep:

So what did he lose? He didn't lose anything, in fact he has gained his freedom from being the POTUS to live out his life in the small space of time that he has left.

Now what about VP Mike Pence taking over the WH? Even I had that Word of Knowledge that VP Pence would take over the WH ... :yep:

Our beloved President may have a mental health issue and come unglued soon and very soon when he can't stop the states on the electoral map from becoming blue states which is almost impossible to happen due to Trump would need over forty (40) electoral votes to do that.

Not my prophecy mind you, but one from the article above ...

Biden/Harris can't be stopped unless the men and women of the electoral college rebel and swing the popular votes of their state over to Trump, but one thing that can be stopped is the Biden/Harris ticket being able to get anything done if the GOP retains the US Senate of 51 to 48 which is still up in the air and won't be determined till early December.

This is being brought to you from much deep repented thinking ... I am who I am because of the Great I am. :up:

skidman

11-07-20, 06:48 AM

OK Quatro. Time for Modem Ops part II: Get the Windex bottle, I'm sending the spider today.

:nope: :nope: :nope:

Jimbuna

11-07-20, 07:08 AM

As Pennsylvania turned blue there were reports of Trump screaming at his staff and advisers, "Where is Wenck? Has Steiner attacked yet?"

:haha: i admit this already crossed my mind

Top marks Kai, I thought that would go over everyone's heads :up:

Jimbuna

11-07-20, 07:53 AM

Joe Biden appears close to winning the presidency after securing 28,000 more votes than Donald Trump in Pennsylvania.

Addressing supporters, Biden says: "The numbers tell us a clear story: We're going to win this race"

More results are due from Pennsylvania at 0900 EST (1400 GMT) - the state alone is all Biden needs for the White House.

The Democrat also leads in Georgia, Nevada and Arizona - states that provide other paths to the presidency.

President Trump warned Biden against declaring victory - a day after appearing to do so himself.

Overall turnout is projected to be the highest in 120 years at 66.9%

Jimbuna

11-07-20, 08:04 AM

Judges want more evidence from Trump campaign as election cases get tossed.

Since Election Day, the Trump campaign has brought a series of lawsuits around the country in an effort to find a path to reelection, but four judges in different states have now weighed in with striking consistency and similar language -- finding there is no sufficient evidence to back the claims.

This week, judges in Nevada, Georgia, Pennsylvania and Michigan have rejected the campaign's efforts to halt the counting process, if only temporarily, or alter it in some way based on shaky allegations of improper or nefarious conduct.

When Trump's lawyers took their complaint about election observers being denied sufficient access to watch the processing of ballots, U.S. District Judge Paul Diamond appeared startled when the lawyers then acknowledged that the observers had, in fact, been permitted within 15 feet of the poll workers.

"I'm sorry, then what's your problem?" said Diamond.

In Georgia this week, a judge rejected the campaign's effort to force Chatham County to separate and account for late-arriving ballots over a concern that the county may be mishandling ballots, an allegation based on an incident involving one out-of-state poll worker involving just 53 ballots. The judge said he saw "no evidence" to back up the claim.

And just hours later, a Michigan judge denied the campaign's effort to halt absentee ballot counting in Macomb County, Michigan, home to Detroit, over allegations that Trump campaign observers were not given "meaningful access" to observe the process.

"Come on now," Michigan Judge Cynthia Stephens said while looking over the evidence presented by the president's lawyers, which alleged a poll watcher had been instructed to back-date late-arriving mail-in ballots to make them count. "What I have, at best, is a hearsay affidavit."

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/politics/judges-want-more-evidence-from-trump-campaign-as-election-cases-get-tossed/ar-BB1aMOHD?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout

u crank

11-07-20, 08:06 AM

Georgia will have a recount.

Georgia’s secretary of state said Friday morning that there will be a recount of the state’s presidential votes, as Joe Biden took a narrow lead of a few hundredths of a percentage point over President Donald Trump.

“With a margin that small, there will be a recount in Georgia,” Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, a Republican, said at a Friday morning press conference.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/06/georgia-election-official-recount-434703

Jimbuna

11-07-20, 08:12 AM

Georgia will have a recount.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/06/georgia-election-official-recount-434703

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2705297&postcount=365

:03:

u crank

11-07-20, 08:39 AM

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2705297&postcount=365

:03:

Please excuse an old guy for missing that Jim.:O:

Jimbuna

11-07-20, 08:43 AM

Please excuse an old guy for missing that Jim.:O:

I simply couldn't resist the temptation Marcel :)

Armistead

11-07-20, 08:44 AM

We were divided long before Trump, Trump just exposed how much we are when he took on globalist. He certainly isn't the cause of the division, he is the result of it. The last time we had a congress and president really work together was Bill Clinton, tho really could go back to Reagan and O Neill. Clinton signed NAFTA and we went into a world where global corporations really took over our nation and they are the real ones marketing division through politics and media. As long as we're fighting over social issues no one notices how they have raped our economy. I'm not saying social issues don't have merit, but this system isn't out for answers that work but methods that divide. We're fighting over the next gender pronoun and slavery 200 years ago while minorities are worse off now economically than they were before the civil rights movement. While Trump actually did something economically for minorities, he failed in real social terms to connect to them, letting the "system's" division {everyone's a racist} control the narrative. In fact, Trump played into it. While Trump took on the system economically, he failed the political strategy of dealing with the social division marketing they implement, allowing this system to win again. Joe is an empty shell now, but he long ago sold out to the system and their social division plan. Joe will sit back a year while the system rewards his family and friends with his cabinet running the country until Harris takes over.

Skybird

11-07-20, 09:19 AM

Trump's notorious lies damage not only the US, but other countries as well.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/trump-s-election-falsehoods-put-smile-faces-dictators-observers-warn-n1246766

He also has signifcantly worstened the tone in German politics and inner-communal communcations. Many copy his methods.

Armistead

11-07-20, 09:24 AM

I quit reading at Trump dismantling "factual journalism"

Trump's notorious lies damage not only the US, but other countries as well.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/trump-s-election-falsehoods-put-smile-faces-dictators-observers-warn-n1246766

He also has signifcantly worstened the tone in German politics and inner-communal communcations. Many copy his methods.

Skybird

11-07-20, 09:55 AM

"

The past four years have seen strongmen — from Syria to Turkey, and Hungary to Thailand — adopt Trump's "fake news" mantra to dismiss factual journalism that they don't like. The fear now is that autocrats will be able to directly reference Trump's antidemocratic rhetoric to justify their own actions. Or they may just feel that the U.S. is more likely to let them off the hook, Cheeseman said.
"The U.S. is the leading democracy in the world," former British Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt told the BBC on Wednesday.
"If we have people talking about stolen elections left right and center, then we are only going to put a smile on the face of people like President Putin, President Xi," Hunt said, referring to Russian President Vladimir Putin and Chinese President Xi Jinping, "who will look at their own people and say: Aren't you pleased you haven't got any of this mess?"
"

from my link above.

Aktungbby

11-07-20, 11:13 AM

What is Donald Trump's mood like?
Mr Trump's former adviser Omarosa Manigault Newman tells Sky News: "My sources in the West Wing tell me Donald Trump is in an awful mood. He has a short fuse today, he's snipping at everyone and he wants his attorneys to make this right.

"He wants them to stop the count, he is yelling at everyone to use their resources, their power, their money, whatever access they have to make it stop."

---------

I think the Secret Service will soon start with staff executions in the Rose Garden! :D
Well... he has fulfilled his campaign promise "to make 'Merika grate again!":arrgh!: I don't imagine he'll be as gracious to Biden as Washington was to Adams at the first transfer of power: "I am fairly out and you are fairly in." In fact, I doubt seriously he'll even show up for the swearing-in ceremony unless they use his Bible! :ping::ping::ping::ping::haha::oops::wah:

Skybird

11-07-20, 11:21 AM

Well... he has fulfilled his campaign promise "to make 'Merika grate again!":arrgh!: I don't imagine he'll be as gracious to Biden as Washington was to Adams at the first transfer of power: "I am fairly out and you are fairly in." In fact, I doubt seriously he'll even show up for the swearing-in ceremony unless they use his Bible! :ping::ping::ping::ping::haha::oops::wah:
I only say: McCain.
I only say: KIAs.
I only say: veterans.
That was so very low standard, I have not forgotten it.

I said he will not leave the White House with noible gesture, or in an honoirable way, but like a fart in the wind. And that is what will happen. He will leave like a fart in the wind.

I only hope the wind does not change direction, because the the smell of this fart is extraordinarily exceptionell and extremely persistent. It may need a hurricance to clean it from the poisoned air in the party headquarters. Could take many years.

Skybird

11-07-20, 11:27 AM

Jetzt dreht er völlig durch! Armer Irrer.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1325099845045071873

Dowly

11-07-20, 11:28 AM

I wonder who's going to tell Trump that stopping the counting will just mean Biden wins... :hmmm:

Aktungbby

11-07-20, 11:41 AM

/\ I'm sure his Slovenian 'naked starlet' FLOTUS whispers it in his unPOTUS'd ear nightly...sort of like "king! thou art mortal errrr FIRED!" :Kaleun_Wink::Kaleun_Salivating::dead:

Catfish

11-07-20, 12:01 PM

Jetzt dreht er völlig durch! Armer Irrer.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1325099845045071873
"Einige oder alle der Inhalte, die in diesem Tweet geteilt werden, sind umstritten und möglicherweise irreführend in Bezug auf die Beteiligung an einer Wahl oder einem anderen staatsbürgerlichen Prozess. Mehr erfahren ..."
Referring to his tweets :o

August

11-07-20, 12:12 PM

Jimbuna

11-07-20, 12:28 PM

This begs the question "Will the eventual definitive decision end up being taken by the Supreme Court"?

Jimbuna

11-07-20, 12:47 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhYDjXWRdyY

mapuc

11-07-20, 12:54 PM

To those of you who supported Biden, congratulation to your win.

To those of you who supported Trump.. he got only a few million fewer votes than Biden and he could have won if it wasn't for this well known opponent who appeared during his term in the White House an opponent he failed to tackle correctly.

Markus

Aktungbby

11-07-20, 01:21 PM

:O:This begs the question "Will the eventual definitive decision end up being taken by the Supreme Court"? 2000: Controversial US presidential election between George W. Bush and Al Gore is inconclusive; the result, in Bush's favour, is eventually resolved by the Supreme Court.I doubt the US Supreme Court will make the same mistake twice; especially with 3 women and a black justice dissenting. Once a justice is appointed he/she becomes the Court's Justice not the political tool of the President who appointed them....I 'spect the Court would expediently decline to hear such petty matters in favor of the overwhelming (most votes in history!:yep:)verisimilitude of the people! Sometimes 'art follows life': http://images.dailykos.com/images/379196/story_image/trump-youre-fired.jpg?1489851492

Jimbuna

11-07-20, 01:25 PM

I doubt the US Supreme Court will make the same mistake twice; especially with 3 women and a black justice dissenting. Once a justice is appointed he/she becomes the Court's Justice not the political tool of the President who appointed them....I 'spect the Court would expediently decline to hear such petty matters in favor of the overwhelming (most votes in history!:yep:)verisimilitude of the people!

That's a good answer, I suspected there may have been room for a little bias but what do I know?

Onkel Neal

11-07-20, 02:41 PM

I think the way the media has characterized the whole "stop counting" thing is wrong but Trump-haters are simple enough to believe it. The legal actions the President's team has put forward are to ensure the counting is done according to the law.

No matter who benefits and who suffers from a thorough investigation into any voter fraud or vote counting violations, I'm all for it. Check the whole thing carefully and let the legal votes determine the outcome. I'm pretty confident it will not materially affect the outcome, Biden has won the election.

mapuc

11-07-20, 02:47 PM

Just now on Danish news channel.

People behind me is really celebrating, like they have been liberated

What!? Was Trump such an awful a President ?

What about all these millions of vote he got.

Markus

Platapus

11-07-20, 03:30 PM

What!? Was Trump such an awful a President ?

- Awful is a subjective term and everyone has their opinion on this

What about all these millions of vote he got.

- What about it? There were people who wanted Trump to be president and there were people who wanted Biden to be president.

Skybird

11-07-20, 03:36 PM

Der Tagesspiegel (Berlin) headlines it this:

The destroyer leaves, the rubble remains.

Neal, if I do not miss something there:
of all attempts of when the Trump minions tried to sue, almost all - all but one - got dismissed by the judges due to lack of evidence, and the case that resulted in a court rule in favour of the Republicans, was a minor nuisance of completely irrelevant proportions. Not a single evidence so far has been presented. Not one. But the FBI investigates in case of two armed Trump mobsters trying to access a counting centre by force. The recount in Georgia also is meaningless, is due to the tight race there and fully according to their laws, Biden gained too many other votes in the other states as if Georgia means anythign anymore. OSCE observers said the election was in all states remarkably transparent and legal and valid, so was the counting. Not one major complaint by them. Not one. Nothign that was more thna the usual to be expected small number of mishaps and accidents that happen at EVERY election in EVERY country, npothign on a sclae that even came close to being of decisive proportions. NOTHING. In two states where Trump started to slam the Democrats for manipulating the count, the governors are Republicans and the top directors of the whole counting process supervising it all are Republicans as well - not Democrats.

Forgive that I say "in those two states" instead of giving the names, but after all its a foreign coutnry and I do not store every city name and geographical detail of your national map on mind, I just log the general content of the news messages. It were two sates were Trump became the loudest about.

An hour ago they had two representaives on German special report program, from Republicans Overseas, and Democrats Abroad. The two could not have been more different. The young lady for the democrats reached out, was polite, tried to be fair and balanced and indeed she was very constructive and inviting and fair. The Republican immediately reloaded Trump conspiracy lies and even reported fake news on FBI investigations , something for which he was rewarded a solid and superfast fact-check and correction by a German foreign correspondent in Washington, and the man then vaguely and mysteriously outlined future threats and delays to everything and that the nTrumpistas will fight and fioght and fight. Clearly a propagator of party before country, lets leave n othign but brunt soil.

But it is you Americans needing to live on this burnt soil, people. ;) You two sides have to learn to talk with each other again. A house divided will not stand.

The Republicans Overseas representative still lived in his alternate universe, denying reality. The moderator later adressed him again, it was all done via cable, and he got only a frozen picture in return. I think it possible that the technical "malfunction" was an emergency measure initiated to stop the man from abusing the prime TV broadcasting for more propagnda of this kind - we all over here are so very very sick and tired of listening to this bull again and again and again. I also hold it possible thzat maybe - maybe - the man freaked out in the other studio and the wire therefore was cut, hiding it behind a tehcnciual malfucntion. I hold this possible - I do nto say we know that it was this way. It was very unpleasant to watch him just after Trump had been formally defeated. Heck, one should know when enoguh is enough. Its enough. Its freaking enough of this madness by now. STOP.

But I fear a Republican led senate will just try to turn the whole political country into charcoal. "In order to save it, we have to destroy this country." Nothing good can ever come from this attitude that puts "retaliation and revenge" over "future".

skidman

11-07-20, 03:44 PM

No matter who benefits and who suffers from a thorough investigation into any voter fraud or vote counting violations, I'm all for it. Check the whole thing carefully and let the legal votes determine the outcome. I'm pretty confident it will not materially affect the outcome, Biden has won the election.

Agreed but I think you are missing the point here. Claiming significant fraudulent processes have cost Trump the election will be the source of another myth and thus Biden's presidency for some people will always be illegitimate, no matter what the outcome of the investigation will be. And when American people will look back at President Donald J. Trump in a couple of years what was said and done in the last couple of days will be considered the longest lasting poison.

Onkel Neal

11-07-20, 05:43 PM

Mr Quatro

11-07-20, 06:12 PM

Love doesn't see one's blemishes, but I'm starting to see Donald Trump's blemishes :hmmm:

It was easy to forgive him for being who he is a megalomaniac :yep:

A megalomaniac is a pathological egotist, that is, someone with a psychological disorder with symptoms like delusions of grandeur and an obsession with power ...

After all he did do a lot of good things like stand up to Iran and China, increase our military so strong that we can survive four years of Biden/Harris.

I didn't think the tax breaks for the rich would work, but they did work for the Stock Market and the rich hiring more employees ... now that money will be needed to pay for the pandemic crisis.

Trump lost big time like by 4 million votes and over 50 electoral votes

Without a miracle Trump is on the way out and I personally don't want to hear about him anymore after January 20th

I won't bash him I will just pray for our country to be healed and for the US Senate to stay strong against packing the Supreme Court
or Medicare for all or open borders or forgiveness of student loans or amnesty or against fracking or pro-green to the tune of trillions of dollars. :o

Thanks to everyone that chimed in I think it makes us a stronger forum :yep:

Skybird

11-07-20, 07:10 PM

Is "Skybird" a synonym for hyberbole? Asking for a friend.
Not that I am aware of. But if one stands far enough on lets say the left side, the rest of the world appears to be right only, and vice versa.

For us foreigners from all across the world, the rifts in your society look deeper and wider than the great canyon, and I expect deepening hostility and deepening hurt from that, because Biden being there or being not there: I cannot see him "healing" it. The mutual hostility and the desire for retaliation and revenge, for pay-back, amongst Republican politicians around McConnell, will see to prevent serious "healing", so will the Trump clan whom I expect to not give up control of the party, but driving its fangs and claws deeper and deeper into it, they press for becoming another lasting dynasty in the American history of many political dynasties.

If you see that assessment, due to its inherent pessimism, as "hyperbole", so be it. I have some historic examples on mind from Europe that make me being anything but optimistic - plus I have always differentiated between America as the idealistic utopia it was meant to be by its founders, - and the practical reality. The first I can mostly subscribe to - but from the latter that past four years have fundamentally alienated me. And I am not alone in that. I probably represent a global majority with that. The view of America has substantially changed, and not for the better.

See, you do not have four years of Trump and then seriously expect the world not having reacted to that desaster and not having altered its view of the US - that would be absolutely demanded too much. That Trump was possible to happen, says something. And its nothing good. And it can happen again: easier than I am comfortable to imagine.

To me, it was a psychiatrically ill madman being at the top of the remaining one superpower. A psychiatric patient. That this was possible to happen, is reason for biggest worries and should happen only in B-movies or top comedies. The fundaments on which it happened, have not changed or disappeared.

It can happen again.

Cybermat47

11-07-20, 08:11 PM

I will just pray for our country to be healed and for the US Senate to stay strong against packing the Supreme Court or Medicare for all

What’s wrong with Medicare for all?

Mr Quatro

11-07-20, 08:18 PM

What’s wrong with Medicare for all?

Designed for seniors and SSI for men and women that are already hurting and qualify for a need ... not for fat, middle class, men and women that have nice cars and $100 tennis shoes.

Fund the ER's all over America to the tune of $5 billion dollars a year that are in the red would be a better option. :yep:

Aktungbby

11-07-20, 08:19 PM

I don't imagine he'll be as gracious to Biden as Washington was to Adams at the first transfer of power: "I am fairly out and you are fairly in."
I won't bash him I will just pray for our country to be healed and for the US Senate to stay strong against packing the Supreme Court
Thanks to everyone that chimed in I think it makes us a stronger forum :yep:FDR tried to pack the court; so that plan won't
fly anytime soon; and, as George Washington also said: "the Senate(6 yr terms) is the saucer to cool the Congress's (2 yr terms)hot cuppa joe"-generally composed nice old fat white conservatives...mostly men!:yeah:The story of the "senatorial saucer" is based on a supposed breakfast meeting between Thomas Jefferson and George Washington. In 1872, Moncure Daniel Conway told the story as follows:

There is a tradition that Jefferson coming home from France, called Washington to account at the breakfast-table for having agreed to a second, and, as Jefferson thought, unnecessary legislative Chamber.

"Why," asked Washington, "did you just now pour that coffee into your saucer, before drinking?"

"To cool it," answered Jefferson, "my throat is not made of brass."

"Even so," rejoined Washington, "we pour our legislation into the senatorial saucer to cool it."1

FeatsOfStrength

11-08-20, 05:01 AM

Designed for seniors and SSI for men and women that are already hurting and qualify for a need ... not for fat, middle class, men and women that have nice cars and $100 tennis shoes.

Fund the ER's all over America to the tune of $5 billion dollars a year that are in the red would be a better option. :yep:

Health care should be a right for citizens, life in the western world isn't as cheap as it was in 1776 and a health care system paid for by tax payers and the government is about as socialist as Public Libraries, the Fire Brigade or the Police force. With Trump's lack of interest in foreign conflicts he could have quite easily taken a trillion or two out of the Military budget and funded a decent health care system whilst shutting down the health insurance blood usurers.

skidman

11-08-20, 06:26 AM

https://www.dropbox.com/s/fonxrffhpgr7c65/Murph.jpg?raw=1

Bilge_Rat

11-08-20, 09:44 AM

Agreed but I think you are missing the point here. Claiming significant fraudulent processes have cost Trump the election will be the source of another myth and thus Biden's presidency for some people will always be illegitimate, no matter what the outcome of the investigation will be. And when American people will look back at President Donald J. Trump in a couple of years what was said and done in the last couple of days will be considered the longest lasting poison.

Well of course. There will always be questions about this election. Dimocrats never accepted the 2016 election results and always viewed Trump as an illegitimate President. As the old saying goes, you reap what you sow.

You can be certain the GOP will do all they can to block Biden's agenda and make him a one term president.

I have to admit I don't know why foreigners are so happy about Biden. You have to be pretty naive to think there will be substantial changes in U.S. foreign policy. For example, Biden will still try to kill Nord Stream 2 and pressure the Germans to stop being freeloaders and contribute their fair share to NATO.

Skybird

11-08-20, 10:23 AM

https://www.dropbox.com/s/fonxrffhpgr7c65/Murph.jpg?raw=1

:haha: :up:

Onkel Neal

11-08-20, 10:30 AM

Ok, the election has concluded. So, I suppose we can close this thread and direct all US political traffic to https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=228628

:Kaleun_Salute: