Acting Navy secretary resigns over handling of virus-stricken aircraft carrier

[Onkel Neal]

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/07/thomas-modly-coronavirus-speech-resign-navy-172625

Acting Navy Secretary Thomas Modly resigned on Tuesday following an uproar over a profanity-laced address to the crew of the coronavirus-stricken aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt on Sunday, Defense Secretary Mark Esper announced.

Modly submitted his resignation letter to Esper on Tuesday after meeting with his boss one-on-one, a defense official with knowledge of the meeting said.

"He resigned on his own accord, putting the Navy and Sailors above self so that the USS Theodore Roosevelt, and the Navy as an institution, can move forward," Esper said in a statement.


Army Undersecretary James McPherson will be tapped to temporarily lead the Navy Department, Esper said. McPherson was confirmed to be the Army's No. 2 on March 23, a little more than two weeks ago.

In his resignation letter, a copy of which was obtained by POLITICO, Modly thanked Esper and President Donald Trump for their "confidence" in him.

"More than anything, I owe every member of the Navy and Marine Corps team a lifetime of gratitude for the opportunity to serve for them, and with them, once again," Modly wrote in the brief letter, which was addressed to Esper. "The men and women of the Department of the Navy deserve a continuity of civilian leadership befitting our great Republic, and the decisive naval force that secures our way of life."

Modly was more loquacious in a memo to the force, in which he acknowledged that he “lost situational awareness” during his address to the Roosevelt’s crew.

“You are justified in being angry with me about that,” Modly wrote in the memo, which was obtained by POLITICO. “There is no excuse, but perhaps a glimpse of understanding, and hopefully empathy.”

[Catfish]

I think this was the right decision.. hard for Modley but right.

A bit astonished to see that happening, after all we all know how the Navy/ies usually handle such situations.. those who are less in rank usually have to go when something blemishes the reputation, guilty or not.

[Jimbuna]

I really fail to see how he had any other choice.

Here's how the BBC have covered it: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52209105

[Commander Wallace]

I try not to get involved in anything of a political debate although this hardly qualifies.


Capt. Crozier tried to go up the chain of command with his requests / pleas regarding the health and safety of his crew. They were completely ignored. Capt Crozier was looking out for the safety of his crew with what he did. It was said that Crozier should have taken his concerns private . As mentioned, he did that already.

SecNav Thomas Modly then goes public and calls a decorated officer stupid and naive only to say a day later that he doesn't believe he is stupid at all. Then why say that in the first place ? This is complete hypocrisy.

Then SecNav Modly flies thousands of miles to berate the crew of the Roosevelt for paying Capt Crozier respect as he departed. Modly is completely destructive to the morale of every branch of the military and an embarrasment.

The reality is Capt. Crozier is a decorated officer of flag rank and deserving of respect. It's incomprehensible that Modly, who is graduate of the United States Naval Academy class of 1983, Georgetown University, and Harvard Business School and a helicopter pilot would act in this manner.

The reality is the conduct of Modly is / was a public relations nightmare and the backlash would have been felt in enlistment and retain-ment falling off. It most likely will still will. I'm glad Modly left as he would have gotten the boot if he didn't and he knew that.

[Jimbuna]

^ Agreed :yep:

[ET2SN]

I try not to get involved in anything of a political debate although this hardly qualifies.


Capt. Crozier tried to go up the chain of command with his requests / pleas regarding the health and safety of his crew. They were completely ignored. Capt Crozier was looking out for the safety of his crew with what he did. It was said that Crozier should have taken his concerns private . As mentioned, he did that already.

SecNav Thomas Modly then goes public and calls a decorated officer stupid and naive only to say a day later that he doesn't believe he is stupid at all. Then why say that in the first place ? This is complete hypocrisy.

Then SecNav Modly flies thousands of miles to berate the crew of the Roosevelt for paying Capt Crozier respect as he departed. Modly is completely destructive to the morale of every branch of the military and an embarrasment.

The reality is Capt. Crozier is a decorated officer of flag rank and deserving of respect. It's incomprehensible that Modly, who is graduate of the United States Naval Academy class of 1983, Georgetown University, and Harvard Business School and a helicopter pilot would act in this manner.

The reality is the conduct of Modly is / was a public relations nightmare and the backlash would have been felt in enlistment and retain-ment falling off. It most likely will still will. I'm glad Modly left as he would have gotten the boot if he didn't and he knew that.

:up:

Someone recorded that 1MC announcement that Modly made aboard the Roosevelt. I call it "the WTF vid" because that was what a crewmember said, loudly, about 3/4ths of the way in. Well, he actually said the longer Navy version of "WTF", but you get the idea.

I doubt the Navy can back-track the decision to remove Mr. Crozier at this point. The one bright spot is that Mr. Crozier won't have to worry about buying a beer for a long, long time. :yeah:

[Mr Quatro]

The acting secretary of the Navy was not acting like a gentleman when he called the captain dumb or stupid.

According to officer's hand book you shall not argue with another officer in front of the enlisted men :hmmm:

[moose1am]

IMHO the Captain did what he thought was the best for his crew and ship. He did not do anything wrong IMHO. He should be made whole. :Kaleun_Salute::Kaleun_Thumbs_Up::Kaleun_Applaud:: salute:

[Mr Quatro]

IMHO the Captain did what he thought was the best for his crew and ship. He did not do anything wrong IMHO. He should be made whole. :Kaleun_Salute::Kaleun_Thumbs_Up::Kaleun_Applaud:: salute:

If he lives that is from having contracted Covid-19 last week :oops:

[moose1am]

If he lives that is from having contracted Covid-19 last week :oops:

Do you know how old Captain Crozier is and what his chances of living through this terrible virus are?

[Jeff-Groves]

Now We know why he was just an "ACTING" Secretary.
And it's obvious his acting SUCKED!

[Mr Quatro]

Do you know how old Captain Crozier is and what his chances of living through this terrible virus are?

February 24, 1970 (age 50)
Santa Rosa, California, U.S

Probably the same as other men that old everyone saying good-by didn't help

[Aktungbby]

frankly the whole contretemps is ridiculous and gives greater aid and comfort to any of our enemies foreign and domestic, either of which is bad at this time of prewar buildup for suzerainity of the seas, especially with regard to China and N. Korea. Captain Crozier did violate the chain of command in a fashion contrary to his training and status as a carrier captain, so some punitive remuneration is required. However the mitigation is also extant, namely that the lives of the sailors, still kids with concerned moms, is paramount. That the captain and over 100 are afflicted with corona in time of peace speaks for itself. Basically it is a 49-51 % solution problem. The well meaning captain needs a slap and the other 11? carrier captains will not err as a result of his minor misjudgement in pursuit of the greater goal-thus he has served to lead by mis-example which is often as effective as leading by example. The proper response is to issue a lesser Navy 'letter of admonishment' which may be put into Capt Crozier's file as opposed to a Navy 'letter of reprimand' which is more severe, and usually career ending. I cannot imagine some other officer really wanting to replace the ill captain aboard a quarantined vessel of major influnce on the high seas. Everyone, from new Sec.of Navy McPherson down, needs to stand-in-place and wait out the quarantine at Guam and pray no other Navy vessel is similarly afflicted. The captain, if he recovers, should be restored to command.

[Jeff-Groves]

A proper LEADER of his Men does whatever is needed to protect his Men.
Somehow the HIGHER leadership has forgotten the Guys on the front lines are more then a number.
Acting Secretary Richard Cranium deserves to be keelhauled.
How can anyone expect the rest of our brave young Service Members to continue their duties?
It's already shown you are throwing them to the Wolves!

Damn the Virus! Full speed ahead!

[Commander Wallace]

:up:

Someone recorded that 1MC announcement that Modly made aboard the Roosevelt. I call it "the WTF vid" because that was what a crewmember said, loudly, about 3/4ths of the way in. Well, he actually said the longer Navy version of "WTF", but you get the idea.

I doubt the Navy can back-track the decision to remove Mr. Crozier at this point. The one bright spot is that Mr. Crozier won't have to worry about buying a beer for a long, long time. :yeah:

Being that you served in the U.S Navy, I think you have a unique insight into the events transpiring right now and I'm happy you put your " two cents worth " in. :up: Considering the send off Capt Crozier received, I think we are in the majority of opinion.



frankly the whole contretemps is ridiculous and gives greater aid and comfort to any of our enemies foreign and domestic, either of which is bad at this time of prewar buildup for suzerainity of the seas, especially with regard to China and N. Korea. Captain Crozier did violate the chain of command in a fashion contrary to his training and status as a carrier captain, so some punitive remuneration is required. However the mitigation is also extant, namely that the lives of the sailors, still kids with concerned moms, is paramount. That the captain and over 100 are afflicted with corona in time of peace speaks for itself. Basically it is a 49-51 % solution problem. The well meaning captain needs a slap and the other 11? carrier captains will not err as a result of his minor misjudgement in pursuit of the greater goal-thus he has served to lead by mis-example which is often as effective as leading by example. The proper response is to issue a lesser Navy 'letter of admonishment' which may be put into Capt Crozier's file as opposed to a Navy 'letter of reprimand' which is more severe, and usually career ending. I cannot imagine some other officer really wanting to replace the ill captain aboard a quarantined vessel of major influnce on the high seas. Everyone, from new Sec.of Navy McPherson down, needs to stand-in-place and wait out the quarantine at Guam and pray no other Navy vessel is similarly afflicted. The captain, if he recovers, should be restored to command.


I agree with you on this.

Another point I would like to add. Most here who have either served in uniform or indeed, in everyday life have had Co's or bosses. I think most people here have seen ineffective leadership in their lives and wondered to themselves how someone like them could ever attain a leadership position. There are many who couldn't command a one man raft on a sunny, calm day, let alone an Aircraft Carrier.

The burden of command and the safety of his crew was at stake. Capt Crozier has done it all from flying helicopters to F-18 hornets to being a squadron CO. Capt. Crozier was faced with a pandemic and threat to his ship that he understood and took seriously and that no other commander in past times has ever faced. To be sure, other Commanders and Captains are facing it now. Capt. Crozier made a command decision and stood by it. To be sure, there are a great number of mitigating circumstances.

It seems lost on people like Modly and others like him that The " rank and file " members of the military, in this case, the Navy, not only respect Crozier for his rank but also as a man and leader that they would follow anywhere because of his Intelligence, leadership abilities and integrity. How much is that worth ? In my opinion, that's everything.





https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/Brett_E._Crozier_%282%29.jpg/220px-Brett_E._Crozier_%282%29.jpg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Brett_E._Crozier_(2).jpg)


In 2004, Crozier reported to Strike Fighter Squadron 94 (VFA-94) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VFA-94), another F/A-18 Hornet unit known as the Mighty Shrikes, as a department head, and was again deployed with Nimitz in 2005. In 2006, Crozier was assigned to VFA-125 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VFA-125), the "Rough Raiders," and served as an instructor and Fleet Replacement Squadron Operations Officer. The following year, he reported in 2007 to the Naval War College, where he earned a Master's Degree in National Security and Strategic Studies.

Quote: In 2004, Crozier reported to Strike Fighter Squadron 94 (VFA-94) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VFA-94), another F/A-18 Hornet unit known as the Mighty Shrikes, as a department head, and was again deployed with Nimitz in 2005. In 2006, Crozier was assigned to VFA-125 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VFA-125), the "Rough Raiders," and served as an instructor and Fleet Replacement Squadron Operations Officer. The following year, he reported in 2007 to the Naval War College, where he earned a Master's Degree in National Security and Strategic Studies.

Crozier was the commanding officer (CO) of VFA-94, based at Naval Station Lemoore in California. As squadron CO, he made multiple deployments for U.S. Third (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Third_Fleet), Fifth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Fifth_Fleet), and Seventh Fleet (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Seventh_Fleet) operations, numerous exercises and Operations Southern Watch and OIF.[8] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_Crozier#cite_note-blueridge-8) He led his squadron on expeditionary deployments with Marine Aircraft Group 12 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_Aircraft_Group_12) based out of Marine Corps Air Station Iwakuni (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_Corps_Air_Station_Iwakuni), Japan, to support Pacific operations and the Global War on Terror (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_War_on_Terror). His squadron CO tour ended in August 2010.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_Crozier


In Short, Capt. Crozier is highly educated and has done it all.

Another point is I'm not convinced that the Wuhan lab isn't the site of a biological / chemical weapons development and testing program and that the Corona Virus isn't an experiment gone wrong, or maybe not. Considering Corona Virus is very much an outgrowth of SARS and MERS, is this a natural progression or was this a manipulation of this disease created in a lab ? I believe it is.

Could this be a test of the U.S military China is confronting and it's command and control structures ? If that's the case, then Modly completely missed the big picture and showed we will turn on our own commanders. This sets a dangerous precedent for all commanders in every field of operations. To use a phrase that's all the rage: " Modly is too stupid and naive to continue as acting SecNav."

[Aktungbby]

frankly the whole contretemps is ridiculous and gives greater aid and comfort to any of our enemies foreign and domestic, either of which is bad at this time of prewar buildup for suzerainity of the seas, especially with regard to China and N. Korea.

I agree with you on this. Oh good when I am President, I'll make you Secretary of Something...the first requirement is agreeing with his 'Nibs':O:
Another point is I'm not convinced that the Wuhan lab isn't the site of a biological / chemical weapons development and testing program and that the Corona Virus isn't an experiment gone wrong, or maybe not. Considering Corona Virus is very much an outgrowth of SARS and MERS, is this a natural progression or was this a manipulation of this disease created in a lab ? I believe it is.

Could this be a test of the U.S military China is confronting and it's command and control structures ? If that's the case, then Modly completely missed the big picture and showed we will turn on our own commanders. This sets a dangerous precedent for all commanders in every field of operations. To use a phrase that's all the rage: " Modly is too stupid and naive to continue as acting SecNav."Precisely. And Modly sounded too much like 'Tweeter' Trump when he publicly excoriated a fellow officer using Trumped up adjectives. Secretaries serve "at the pleasure of the president"...sucking up and boss-emulation go with territory. Mr.Modly probably realized his mistake, and did the right thing in resigning immediatly. Alongside the chicken and swine viruses, also centered on Wuhan, I'm ordering my broker to buy up Tyson Food stock for my portfolio! There's a profit to be made from our hungry Sino-brethren who only seek to emulate us by stealing the intellectual property of the West and expanding their Road & Belt global resource :x :hmmm:aquistion initiatives, starting with Tibet in '59, which Trump did at least manage to prevent in Greenland. China is not presently the enemy, but is sure a misguided opponent with a China First agenda to offset The Donald's 'Merika First meglomania....
:yep:

[Mr Quatro]

Acting Navy Secretary Thomas Modly's trip to Guam to have a little talk with the aircraft carrier Roosevelt's crew about why he replaced their CO ...

Cost the US tax payers $243,000 :o

[Aktungbby]

IT COSTS $1.5 MILLION A DAY TO OPERATE THE USS NIMITZ; AND $6.5 MILLION TO OPERATE THE CARRIER 'GROUP'....https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/US_Navy_031130-N-3653A-002_USS_George_Washington_%28CVN_73%29_Carrier_Str ike_Group_formation_sails_in_the_Atlantic_Ocean.jp g/1024px-US_Navy_031130-N-3653A-002_USS_George_Washington_%28CVN_73%29_Carrier_Str ike_Group_formation_sails_in_the_Atlantic_Ocean.jp g

[Commander Wallace]

Oh good when I am President, I'll make you Secretary of Something...the first requirement is agreeing with his 'Nibs' :yep:

While I somewhat appreciate the offer, I think I will pass on that in a big way. I get into enough trouble now without any help right here. :yep:


Although war hasn't been declared, China is certainly the enemy of the U.S. The Navy commanders who sail through the South China Sea understand that all too well. I think it would be in the best interests of the U.S to rebuild their Industrial / manufacturing base including computer tech industries while they still can and end their reliance on China in these critical areas.

One final thought. The Navy commanders of the USS Fitzgerald and USS John McCain involved in the collisions with commercial vessels were not disciplined as quickly as Capt. Crozier was. The Investigation took months regarding these collisions. Capt. Crozier was immediately removed. If anything, The Navy is getting worse in how they handle their affairs.

Quote: Two three-star admirals told ProPublica they had explicitly notified superiors of the growing dangers. The two people who served successive terms as undersecretary of the Navy, the No. 2 position in the civilian command, said they had, too. They produced memos, reports and contemporaneous notes capturing their warnings and the silence or indifference with which they were met. Now, frustrated by what they regard as the Navy and Pentagon’s papering over of their culpability for the twin tragedies, these officials and others have broken with Navy custom and are speaking candidly, naming names and raising concern that the Navy could well repeat its mistakes.

The Navy, embarrassed and scrambling to explain to Congress and America’s allies how such seemingly inexplicable disasters could have happened, moved quickly to prosecute members of ship crews it declared all but incompetent and to strip senior officers of their commands.

https://features.propublica.org/navy-accidents/us-navy-crashes-japan-cause-mccain/

The warning of Field Commanders including admirals was again ignored just as Capt Crozier was. Does this all sound familiar ?

This only Illustrates how unfairly Capt. Crozier was treated. The removal / resignation of Modly was little more than window dressing and a crude attempt at damage control to cover their own incompetence.

[Dammit_Carl!]

Management sets the tone for how subordinates are treated, valued, and respected and when there is toxic leadership, the whole structure suffers as a result.



Not being a Navy person, I can only guess how this sort of action is taking it's toll on career people as well as those souls who probably would have made it a career. Can't recall if such things (i.e. Cpt. Crozier's firing) are currently happening with the other branches but, going by my opening sentence, I shudder to think of just how much damage is being done to all the services if their uniformed leadership is being treated in such a poor fashion.

[Aktungbby]

^A lot of firing at the discretion of superior officers under 'loss of confidence in ability to command' occurs in all branches .

[Commander Wallace]

Management sets the tone for how subordinates are treated, valued, and respected and when there is toxic leadership, the whole structure suffers as a result.



Not being a Navy person, I can only guess how this sort of action is taking it's toll on career people as well as those souls who probably would have made it a career. Can't recall if such things (i.e. Cpt. Crozier's firing) are currently happening with the other branches but, going by my opening sentence, I shudder to think of just how much damage is being done to all the services if their uniformed leadership is being treated in such a poor fashion.


:agree:Exactly. The current administration talks about constructing a 355 ship fleet. I'm wondering how they will crew such an expansive fleet. Certainly, their efforts to crew a large fleet will be jeopardized if they can't recruit and retain enough qualified people. Their treatment of qualified people like Capt. Crozier places that recruitment and retain-ment at risk. I would hope the upper echelon would be smart enough to know and understand that.

Apparently, they are not and the Ill treatment of Capt. Crozier and others, including various admirals, demonstrates that all too clearly.

[Commander Wallace]

There has been an interesting development is the saga of the firing of Capt. Crozier. The Pentagon is considering re-instating Capt. Crozier as the Captain of the carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt. Pentagon officials have said their investigation is now complete.


Quote:
The top Navy (http://www.military.com/navy) officer and defense secretary have the same message when it comes to Capt. Brett Crozier being reassigned to the job from which he was removed last week.
"We've taken nothing off the table."


That's what Defense Secretary Mark Esper told CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mark-esper-navy-captain-brett-crozier-uss-theodore-roosevelt/) on Friday morning. On Thursday, Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Michael Gilday also said he's open to reinstating Crozier as the commanding officer of the aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt (https://www.military.com/equipment/nimitz-class-aircraft-carrier).
"I am taking no options off the table," Gilday told The Associated Press. The CNO hasn't spoken to Crozier, the outlet reported, and isn't facing pressure from anyone about the investigation.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/nothing-off-table-pentagon-wont-163319226.html


https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/04/09/investigation-navy-carrier-cos-firing-now-complete-top-admiral-says.html


While an admission to a rush to judgement or mistake is not going to happen, this is as close as top officials will come to admitting they erred badly in their treatment and removal of Capt. Crozier.



Maybe they are starting to see the big picture. :hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

I sure hope so :yep:

[Mr Quatro]

There has been an interesting development is the saga of the firing of Capt. Crozier. The Pentagon is considering re-instating Capt. Crozier as the Captain of the carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt. Pentagon officials have said their investigation is now complete.


Quote:
The top Navy (http://www.military.com/navy) officer and defense secretary have the same message when it comes to Capt. Brett Crozier being reassigned to the job from which he was removed last week.
"We've taken nothing off the table."

That's what Defense Secretary Mark Esper said

"I am taking no options off the table," Gilday told The Associated Press. The CNO hasn't spoken to Crozier, the outlet reported, and isn't facing pressure from anyone about the investigation.

While an admission to a rush to judgement or mistake is not going to happen, this is as close as top officials will come to admitting they erred badly in their treatment and removal of Capt. Crozier.

Maybe they are starting to see the big picture. :hmmm:

Thank you for staying on top of it Commander I did not know this and I watch the news everyday. :up:

[Mr Quatro]

:agree:Exactly. The current administration talks about constructing a 355 ship fleet. I'm wondering how they will crew such an expansive fleet. Certainly, their efforts to crew a large fleet will be jeopardized if they can't recruit and retain enough qualified people.


Unmanned ships will be the future controlled by $75,000 a year sailors with joy sticks in planes and manned ships far away.

Did you hear about the new drone carriers on regular looking shipping container ships that have drones inside of the containers yet? :yep:

[Aktungbby]

frankly the whole contretemps is ridiculous and gives greater aid and comfort to any of our enemies foreign and domestic, either of which is bad at this time of prewar buildup for suzerainity of the seas, especially with regard to China and N. Korea. Captain Crozier did violate the chain of command in a fashion contrary to his training and status as a carrier captain, so some punitive remuneration is required. However the mitigation is also extant, namely that the lives of the sailors, still kids with concerned moms, is paramount. That the captain and over 100 are afflicted with corona in time of peace speaks for itself. Basically it is a 49-51 % solution problem. The well meaning captain needs a slap and the other 11? carrier captains will not err as a result of his minor misjudgement in pursuit of the greater goal-thus he has served to lead by mis-example which is often as effective as leading by example. The proper response is to issue a lesser Navy 'letter of admonishment' which may be put into Capt Crozier's file as opposed to a Navy 'letter of reprimand' which is more severe, and usually career ending. I cannot imagine some other officer really wanting to replace the ill captain aboard a quarantined vessel of major influnce on the high seas. Everyone, from new Sec.of Navy McPherson down, needs to stand-in-place and wait out the quarantine at Guam and pray no other Navy vessel is similarly afflicted. The captain, if he recovers, should be restored to command.

There has been an interesting development is the saga of the firing of Capt. Crozier. The Pentagon is considering re-instating Capt. Crozier as the Captain of the carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt. Pentagon officials have said their investigation is now complete.

Maybe they are starting to see the big picture. :hmmm:NOT QUITE! THEY JUST READ MY POSTS AT THE PENTAGON! :arrgh!:

[Mr Quatro]

NOT QUITE! THEY JUST READ MY POSTS AT THE PENTAGON! :arrgh!:


or at least had the same seed thoughts, uh?

Remember all things are spiritual :yep:

[Mr Quatro]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/sailors-running-nuclear-reactors-were-022906188.html

Sailors running nuclear reactors were first to catch coronavirus on aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt

The coronavirus outbreak aboard the aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt started in the reactor department, according to The New York Times.

The USS Theodore Roosevelt has two nuclear reactors on board that provide energy for ship electrical and propulsion systems, systems that require a specialized crew of reactor operators and maintenance technicians.

The first three cases were reported on March 24. Since then, the number of coronavirus cases aboard the carrier has risen to nearly 600.

I blame the trip to Vietnam ... what admiral authorized that :oops:

https://www.bing.com/search?q=USS+Theodore+Roosevelt%27s+trip+to+Vietna m&pc=U501&form=CHRDEF&sp=-1&pq=uss+theodore+roosevelt&sc=8-22&qs=n&sk=&cvid=78CFF46C11E04267A5C13FF959DC20F7

Mar 04, 2020 · The USS Theodore Roosevelt arrived Thursday in Vietnam, becoming only the second U.S. aircraft carrier to make a port call there since the fall of Saigon in 1975.


March 4th to March 24th :hmmm:

[Aktungbby]

or at least had the same seed thoughts, uh?

Remember all things are spiritual :yep: Well it's certainly spiritual for the 40 year-old chief petty officer who has died at Guam, with four more hospitalised as I post...Captain Crozier's case argument, in open letter, is now horribly bonafide. I hope he recovers swiftly and gets back 'on point' ...real soon. A carrier strike force with a cruiser, destroyers et al, and these days, a B-52 overhead, cannot function w/o its carrier...that's 7500 sailors standing down in a crititical theatre of operation...ie: 10% of America's frontline naval power! https://www.armytimes.com/resizer/jNfQjD1chb4u52BFkkoeGWQ0cXM=/1200x0/filters:quality(100)/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-mco.s3.amazonaws.com/public/XEU7P26RE5ARNDSSWMFVG7XWHY.jpg

[ET2SN]

Meanwhile,..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdevY2AgqCk

This doesn't surprise me, sometimes that Navy chain of command gets wrapped around your neck. :o