Pausing game affect weather clock ?

[John Pancoast]

I'm in the 45th game hour of shadowing a convoy, waiting for the wind/waves to go down to attack. No fog throughout. Glad there is tc. Using Hsie' s weather mod via his patch.

I know a reloaded saved game can mess with the weather. Pausing the game for awhile do the same ?

[Anvar1061]

Pausing the game for awhile do the same ?
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[Fifi]

:hmmm: Never had weather mess from day one with a save re-load in SH3 nor SH4. Only SH5 does.

I pause the game from time to time (SH3/SH4) and no issues either.

Only thing can mess up the weather is high TC :yep:

[Reinhard Hardegen]

:hmmm: Never had weather mess from day one with a save re-load in SH3 nor SH4. Only SH5 does.

I pause the game from time to time (SH3/SH4) and no issues either.

Only thing can mess up the weather is high TC :yep:

Yes the only thing that I have found out that will really mess the weather up was TC

[John Pancoast]

Ok, thank guys. I never go above 256x, so no problem there. Guess I'll keep shadowing the convoy until the wind drops.
So many great chances to attack if only the wind/waves would calm down !

[Fifi]

Depending what mod you’re playing, but waves often hide you and makes things difficult for DDs to hear/detect you ... it’s very difficult to approach a convoy when flat sea. I always prey for bad weather :D

[FUBAR295]

John,

I always do a save in 1TC and in the Navigational Map screen. Never really had issues with game saves or weather.

Currently just overtook a convoy in CG 17 and moving into a forward position on the stb side of the convoy around 10 km from it. It is now just past midnight and in a short while the ball will begin.

Good hunting,
FUBAR295

[John Pancoast]

Depending what mod you’re playing, but waves often hide you and makes things difficult for DDs to hear/detect you ... it’s very difficult to approach a convoy when flat sea. I always prey for bad weather :D

Yeah I know, thanks. This is in GWX. I have a self-imposed rule not to attack above 11 m/s winds.
Convert 12 m/s on up to a Beaufort scale equivalent, and I seriously doubt an attack would have been possible in real life. 11 is even pushing it.
Also the rubber duckiness of the boats in GWX make most shots miss anyway in those winds. (Even after I applied Thomsen's Parameters to them).

[John Pancoast]

John,

I always do a save in 1TC and in the Navigational Map screen. Never really had issues with game saves or weather.

Currently just overtook a convoy in CG 17 and moving into a forward position on the stb side of the convoy around 10 km from it. It is now just past midnight and in a short while the ball will begin.

Good hunting,
FUBAR295

That's how I save too. I too have never really noticed the saved game/weather problem, but mentioned it so as to keep someone from having to mention that to me.
I'll just keep shadowing and see what happens. Thanks and good luck !

[John Pancoast]

After 50 game hours, the wind just broke. 1pm, June 29th, 1942. No escorts in sight on a large convoy.
Excuse me while I make an artificial reef in the North Atlantic.

[John Pancoast]

Four fired, three hits on two ships. One must have ran deep. Only known escorts astern of the convoy.
Thought about turning for a stern shot, but had a closing escort so diving deep now, turning into the escort.
Try to go under him in the opposite direction.

[K-61]

Out of interest, what "high TC" setting do you folks figure messes up the weather routine?

I like FUBAR's idea of saving in TC 1 at the nav screen. :up:

[FUBAR295]

John,

Check this if you already haven't;

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=225353

I also seem to remember something about when the game is saved, the weather clock is reset, but not sure if it is H.sie or Stiebler fix that this occurs.

Good hunting,
FUBAR295

[John Pancoast]

John,

Check this if you already haven't;

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=225353

I also seem to remember something about when the game is saved, the weather clock is reset, but not sure if it is H.sie or Stiebler fix that this occurs.

Good hunting,
FUBAR295

Sorry for the late reply; away on a holiday here in the U.S.

Thanks Fubar, I have that weather option too. I seem to recall Hsie's fix resets it allowing an immediate change possibility, because otherwise upon loading a saved game, the clock has to cycle through a day or two before a change might happen or something like that.

[FUBAR295]

This is from H.sie PDF file :

20. Bad Weather Fix
Some people reported about a serious bug in sh3: The weather sometimes sticks at high windspeeds with 15m/s, fog and no visibility. This bug no more exists.
What does this Fix do? Mainly nothing. It does not change the sh3 weather algorithm at all and will only be active, when strom- or fog periods are too long. It consists of two independent counters: A STORM_COUNTER that counts the number of weather periods with 15m/s windspeed, and a FOG_COUNTER that counts the number of weather periods with fog. If STORM_COUNTER reaches a certain maximum value (see below), the fix
forces a reduction of the windspeed. If FOG_COUNTER reaches a certain maximum value (see below), the fix reduces clouds and thus also fog.

Maximum values for the COUNTERS
· The maximum value for STORM_COUNTER is 5 weather periods.
· The maximum value for FOG_COUNTER is 3 weather periods.

The maximum values for both counters (default: 5 and 3) can be adjusted in the hsie.ini file. So if you want better weather with less storm and fog, reduce these values to 4 and 2 (or even 3 and 1).

I also programmed a little chance that this weather-controlling mechanism described above is bypassed in order to keep some uncertainty, so that a little chance remains for storm- and fog periods longer than the maximum values.

This Fix also fixes a bug, that the weather time counter is not saved in a savegame, so that the counter always starts at 0 every time you load a mission or savegame. That means, that the first weather change always occurs exactly after a full weather period (20 - 40 hours). Now, the time counter is initialized with a randomly chosen value between 0 and 95% of the weather period, so that a weather change shortly after loading a mission is possible.

Compatibility
· Multiplayer: Not tested yet, but I don't think it works for Multiplayer mode.


Good Hunting
FUBAR295

[John Pancoast]

This is from H.sie PDF file :

20. Bad Weather Fix
Some people reported about a serious bug in sh3: The weather sometimes sticks at high windspeeds with 15m/s, fog and no visibility. This bug no more exists.
What does this Fix do? Mainly nothing. It does not change the sh3 weather algorithm at all and will only be active, when strom- or fog periods are too long. It consists of two independent counters: A STORM_COUNTER that counts the number of weather periods with 15m/s windspeed, and a FOG_COUNTER that counts the number of weather periods with fog. If STORM_COUNTER reaches a certain maximum value (see below), the fix
forces a reduction of the windspeed. If FOG_COUNTER reaches a certain maximum value (see below), the fix reduces clouds and thus also fog.

Maximum values for the COUNTERS
· The maximum value for STORM_COUNTER is 5 weather periods.
· The maximum value for FOG_COUNTER is 3 weather periods.

The maximum values for both counters (default: 5 and 3) can be adjusted in the hsie.ini file. So if you want better weather with less storm and fog, reduce these values to 4 and 2 (or even 3 and 1).

I also programmed a little chance that this weather-controlling mechanism described above is bypassed in order to keep some uncertainty, so that a little chance remains for storm- and fog periods longer than the maximum values.

This Fix also fixes a bug, that the weather time counter is not saved in a savegame, so that the counter always starts at 0 every time you load a mission or savegame. That means, that the first weather change always occurs exactly after a full weather period (20 - 40 hours). Now, the time counter is initialized with a randomly chosen value between 0 and 95% of the weather period, so that a weather change shortly after loading a mission is possible.

Compatibility
· Multiplayer: Not tested yet, but I don't think it works for Multiplayer mode.


Good Hunting
FUBAR295


That's what I was remembering in my above post, thanks again.

[FeatsOfStrength]

I'm going to have to give this a go, i've literally given up patrols because I spent 20+ days in nothing but heavy fog, pouring rain and heavy waves, making doing any kind of manual torpedo work nearly impossible as I need to be with 300 metres and only have seconds to even spot the ship before firing.

[John Pancoast]

I'm going to have to give this a go, i've literally given up patrols because I spent 20+ days in nothing but heavy fog, pouring rain and heavy waves, making doing any kind of manual torpedo work nearly impossible as I need to be with 300 metres and only have seconds to even spot the ship before firing.

Yeah, attacking in such weather isn't historically realistic anyway. Hsie's or Stiebler's fixes both will help per your example.

[difool2]

I believe that the change window (yes, resets after every save) can be upwards of 3 1/2 days in winter (c.f. 50 hours upthread), but shorter in the other seasons. If every one of your gaming sessions is less than 3 1/2 days (you save quit then reload) then yes, weather will be "stuck" indefinitely.

[newtee2]

John,

Check this if you already haven't;

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=225353

I also seem to remember something about when the game is saved, the weather clock is reset, but not sure if it is H.sie or Stiebler fix that this occurs.

Good hunting,
FUBAR295
Do you have to start a new career or have a fresh patrol save?

[Aktungbby]

newtee2! After a long silent run.:Kaleun_Salute:

[FUBAR295]

Do you have to start a new career or have a fresh patrol save?

I recommend any changes made be done with a Save file while in Home port before a new patrol.

Good Hunting,
FUBAR295

[newtee2]

newtee2! After a long silent run.:Kaleun_Salute:
Thanks!



I recommend any changes made be done with a Save file while in Home port before a new patrol.

Good Hunting,
FUBAR295
Yeah I'm abandoning my current patrol now so I can try out the mod. Went down to the mediterranean & gibraltar area and experienced nothing but storm for about 10 days straight. Not only that but the storm started after I left the bay of biscay so it was really about 20 days. Heavy fog, 15+ m/s winds, and heavy rain (even though nav officer says precipitations NONE). Literally unplayable.

[newtee2]

What's hilarious now is that whenever I load a game where I'm underwater my boat thinks I'm surfaced and there are men on the bridge. Never had this happen before until this little mod. Used to have this happen in SH4 all the time too!

[John Pancoast]

What's hilarious now is that whenever I load a game where I'm underwater my boat thinks I'm surfaced and there are men on the bridge. Never had this happen before until this little mod. Used to have this happen in SH4 all the time too!

If you're saying you make saves while submerged, that is sure to cause problems in SH3. I'm surprised it even loads.

[FUBAR295]

Thanks!




Yeah I'm abandoning my current patrol now so I can try out the mod. Went down to the mediterranean & gibraltar area and experienced nothing but storm for about 10 days straight. Not only that but the storm started after I left the bay of biscay so it was really about 20 days. Heavy fog, 15+ m/s winds, and heavy rain (even though nav officer says precipitations NONE). Literally unplayable.

You may wish to try this tweak to help with your weather :

The maximum values for both counters (default: 5 and 3) can be adjusted in the hsie.ini file. So if you want better weather with less storm and fog, reduce these values to 4 and 2 (or even 3 and 1).

Good hunting,
FUBAR295

[newtee2]

If you're saying you make saves while submerged, that is sure to cause problems in SH3. I'm surprised it even loads.
Been playing the same vanilla career off and on for about 5 years now and I've had no problems loading saved games where my boat is under water.




You may wish to try this tweak to help with your weather :

The maximum values for both counters (default: 5 and 3) can be adjusted in the hsie.ini file. So if you want better weather with less storm and fog, reduce these values to 4 and 2 (or even 3 and 1).

Good hunting,
FUBAR295



Thank you, but I don't have hsie's patch!

[John Pancoast]

Been playing the same vanilla career off and on for about 5 years now and I've had no problems loading saved games where my boat is under water.



You're lucky; that's not the norm. Would be nice to have. <g>