A question to those who have knowledge about EU and their laws

[mapuc]

In a thread created by a FB-friend I wrote:

"The best solution to all these quarantine some of you keeps on getting, despite you aren't breaking any Danish law, is to create a free Danish debate forum, where you don't have to fear these quarantine"

Another of this FB-friend wrote an answer to my comment:

"You are subject to EU rules - whether you like it or not"

Are this person correct in this statement ?

It also made me think- Are this free speech we love so truly only a Fatamorgana ?
meaning it wouldn't matter if a person stay on FB or created or joined a forum, because the same rules would apply both places.

Hope you understand my answer and the rest.

Markus

[Skybird]

The EU indeed creates and sets frameworks and limits that most national lawmaking shall not ignore or cannot step beyond. Also, certain kinds of lawmaking by the EU must be ratified by EU members, the "sovereign" national parliaments can only wave them through and nodd them off, governments must enforce them, whether they want it or not. In certain political fields, the overwhelming lions share of legislation of nations indeed is EU legislation exclusively. Usually it is said about these areas that three quarters and more of such laws are EU-enforced laws.



In the end the eU wants to beocme a planned economy with a centralised one party government that maintains the illusion of a party democracy in the meaning of like the DDR parliament claimed to be a functioning democracy. the way the EU forms up, it remind pretty much of the Sovjet system for sure. The party nepotism and paternialsima nd corruptiin and the interts lobbying allowed by this rotten basic structure, comes with all this for free. The abuse of the ECB is a nice example. It still poses as beign independent from poltics, but in fact it is the perfomrign agent of governments, and their very own creation. The independence of central banks has always been an illusion, an alibi, a lie to mislead the public and to continue the Keynesian conquest of the world. Centrla banks were formed by political governments that had crippled and ruined the state finances and the money system before and now needed a trick to continue.

[mapuc]

Thank you Skybird.

Then she was right

I or other can not create a free Danish Debate forum, ´cause it's not the Danish law that goes there, but EU-law.

Or you can't create a free German debate forum - where only German law goes.

Makes me sad.

Edit

What if the host of this forum was outside EU, would the owner of this forum still have to follow EU-laws ?

End of Edit

Markus

[ikalugin]

I think forum follows both the law of the country it is hosted in and the country it can be accessed from.


Ie in terms of copyright law I think many organisations make their resources unaccessable from EU if they could not/would not follow EU laws and regulations due to the threat of fines etc.

[mapuc]

I was thinking more into this free speech thing.

That there ain't no such thing as free speech anymore.

Markus

[Catfish]

It is all the Eu's fault.

[mapuc]

It is all the Eu's fault.

I was only wondering if this friend was correct when this person wrote
on a friends wall

"You are subject to EU rules - whether you like it or not"

or if ikalugin is correct

I'm responsible according to Danish law, when I write something
and are responsible to EU-law when I link to something e.g an article or similar
(the copyright law)

Edit
Have to add more information to this discussion
Almost every day I read on friends walls or their friends walls about friends or their friend have been put in FB-prison and how they are complaining

I have on several occasion given them the proposal to create a free Danish debate forum-as mentioned in this thread- Someone said the reason to people get FB-prison time is because they have broken some of the Rules FB have to work under-Rules that they have been forced upon by countries around the world.
Again I gave the proposal to create a free debate forum - and it was then this friend wrote the comment.

End of Edit

Markus

[JU_88]

It is all the Eu's fault.

The EU did nothing wrong ever, its is progressive bastion of divine perfection.

Sarcasm aside, an EU bill just passed that I actually really like!
The 'right to repair' a law which obliges manufacturers service parts /repair household goods like washing machines for up to 10 years.
it should go further though.
They can keep their Article 13 though. :P

[Kapitan]

Skybird for once i agree with you :up:

I left the EU or UK and i aint looking back, i know all to well from stories of what the Soviet system was like that its not one that Europe will do well of.

I find Jean Claude Junker to be a almost reincarnate of Erich Honneker, when will the pro EU lobby wake up and realize.

I hope Brexit happens and more follow !

[Catfish]

^ of course, of course. I have to say i meanwhile understand which kind of people voted for brexit :hmmm:
As i said repeatedly "It is all the EU's fault". And of course the EU is or will also be the reincarnation of the Soviet Union. Or worse.
And capable Boris, Rees-Mogg or Farage will lead England into a glorious future, because England was and is Always Special and superior to foreign underlings.
What really motivates the "European Research(!) Group" (https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/motivates-tories-erg-jacob-rees-mogg-european-research-group-brexit) lol

We are just sitting and looking with a slightly raised eyebrow what Boris will think of next. And it seems it is always all about England, not the UK, not the EU.

[Kapitan]

I have my own reasons for voting to leave the EU and I don’t think you can type cast 17.4million people into one general type of person.

I’m not going to get into a debate about it maybe start a new thread because this will end up going off topic rapidly

[Catfish]

Of course, but you accuse other people and are being polemic in the best soviet style yourself. So i answered accordingly.

[Kapitan]

Let’s create a thread and let others join in eh ?

[JU_88]

We are just sitting and looking with a slightly raised eyebrow what Boris will think of next. And it seems it is always all about England, not the UK, not the EU.

Its almost like he's Prime minister of England or something :D
You know God forbid the Leader of a nation put thats nations interests before the interests of other nations - outrageous! I mean - you dont see ANY other countries or UNIONS around the world doing that do you? :P

Case and point, that really only irks comfortable progressives with no real major societal or economic problems that can afford the luxury of such outward consideration at their own expense.
But to everyone else its a pretty normal expectation that their leader serves their own interests first. And its noticeably a progressive standard that's not applied consistently as national self interests its only controversial to the 'Baizou' (as the Chinese call it), when leaders western countries do it. But when other nations do it, no complaints!

There are many reasons to take Boris to task, but that's not really one of them IMO.
When you are trying to make a deal, you play hardball and ask for more than you will reasonably get, in order to work your way down to what you can realistically get.
(Trump does this all the time and he thinks he a genius for it lol.)
but its negotiation 101. If you start out on a negotiation with the minimum you want, you will end up with less than you wanted after compromising.

[Catfish]

Its almost like he's Prime minister of England or something :D
You know God forbid the Leader of a nation put thats nations interests before the interests of other nations - outrageous! I mean - you dont see ANY other countries or UNIONS around the world doing that do you? :P
Oh yes! Boris the leader of the nation! lmao!! Why should England's prime minister care for the rest of the UK like Scotland, Ireland or Wales? These underlings are truly not worth thinking About (or so Mr Rees-Mogg would describe it).

When you are trying to make a deal, you play hardball and ask for more than you will reasonably get, in order to work your way down to what you can realistically get.
In this we can agree, this has been official politics since the stone age. One could argue that such behaviour should not be necessary today but hey we know what makes humans tick.

(Trump does this all the time and he thinks he a genius for it lol.)
He's a genius in so many things i have lost count. Maybe he will lower sanctions for China when the latter support accusing Biden for him? "The art of the deal" or what was the title of the book he did not even write himself?


But back to the first post of Mapuc. What exactly do you mean with
Another of this FB-friend wrote an answer to my comment:
"You are subject to EU rules - whether you like it or not"

And then you or your friend are claiming that you cannot have a free discussion because of the EU? Where and what?

[mapuc]

^
The meaning of this thread was to ask you if this friends friend was correct when she wrote this as an answer to my comment.

I said to our fellow friends a free Danish debatforum would perhaps be a better choice than FB, who keeps on jailing Danish member even though they haven't been breaking any law of free expression according to Danish law.

In other word she means there is no such things a free speech anymore-Not in a Country who's member of the EU.

Markus

[Catfish]

hmm i'm not sure. If someone is breaking the rules in Facebook it is FB's Right to stop it, just like in this forum, or any other. There is no free speech even here, though Neal and the moderators are very forgiving imho.
If someone insults other persons or proposes to harm them.. i do not know which special case you or your friend's friend thought of, or refer to.

There was a lot of hubbub about the EU wanting to 'punish' or 'ban' anyone who says something against the EU. This is not true. But if someone agitates and proposes to kill some EU or danish politician for his/her opinion, there has to be a clear cut, and rightly so.
I know that the level of public discussion has deteriorated in the last years, with some politicians serving as shining examples to follow them, with some (new) media echoing them. I would try not to follow them.

[mapuc]

Insulting another person shall never be allowed and a yellow card for such an action is ok.

We have almost free writing in this forum-We are not allowed to use certain words and we are not allowed to insult another member, but beside that we can discuss almost everything.(Not funny things grown-ups do in their bedroom)

Throughout the years I have seen members starting thread they meant was interesting to be discussed. Well we all have.

And not to forget - We have an ability to derail threads.

Markus

[JU_88]

Oh yes! Boris the leader of the nation! lmao!! Why should England's prime minister care for the rest of the UK like Scotland, Ireland or Wales? These underlings are truly not worth thinking About (or so Mr Rees-Mogg would describe it).

Eh, Well yeah I doubt toffy nosed Boris cares that much for the underlings no, but neither does Farage, Swinson Sturgeon or Corbyn. They all care about their own political ideologies & power first. Sure, they all 'believe' they are doing 'good' in their own way.... but then so did Hitler.

Wales & N.I mostly Voted leave, Scotland was a landslide for remain, but Remain still lost so i'm not sure where you are going with this - Boris 'says' he will take the UK out the EU, which it appears is what a slim majority of the country wants. I understand you don't like it, and you are deeply opposed to that. but we must try to keep it in perspective.

[mapuc]

Whether its a German, British, French or some other politicians they do care a lot....during an election and only until the day and hour where the voting station close....thereafter...make a wild guess.

Markus

[JU_88]

Whether its a German, British, French or some other politicians they do care a lot....during an election and only until the day and hour where the voting station close....thereafter...make a wild guess.

Markus

Yup, They be like, 'Look at all our great proposals for new infrastructure, public services & lovley tax breaks, which your grand kids and future migrants will end up having to pay for. But we will be out of office by then, so......... :D'